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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1991-05-16i► • U c' TOWN OF DRYDEN PLANNING BOARD MAY 169 1991 00 100 ' V MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairwoman Barbara Caldwell, Michael Hattery, Mitchell LaVine, Robert Fletcher, John Davis, and Joseph Lalley. ALSO PRESENT: Douglas Burrous, Robert Jarrow, and David Herrick. The meeting of May 16, 1991 was called to order at 8:00 PM by Chairwoman Barbara Caldwell. Additions and /or corrections to the April 18, 1991 minutes will be made on the original copy. A motion to approve the minutes as amended was made by J. Davis, second by M. LaVine and approved by all members present. Be Caldwell noted that on June 18, 1991 there is a conference on Housing.and Economy scheduled at TC3. Registration forms can by obtained from cooperative Extension and the cost is $20.000 J. Lalley noted the next Long Range Flan meeting is scheduled for the Village of Dryden Hall on June 6, 1991 at 7:00 P. M. . PUBLIC HEARING LOT LINE MODIFICATION (LOTS 2-3 AND 2 -4) BEAR CIRCLE ROAD - ROTUNDA HOME IMPROVEMENTS The Board reviewed the file and noted there was on file a letter from the Tompkins County Health Department as requested. The short form EAF was reviewed and the following determined: Cl, C21 C31 C41 C51 C6 and C7 "NO" and D, "NO. PART 111 SECOND BOX CHECKED MICHAEL Barbara Caldwell MOVED noted the legal TO notice EAF WE placed in the Ithaca Journal for the hearing. ON With no objections PROPOSAL. from any Board Members that the hearing be postponed, due to the fact the Rotunda's were unable to attend tonight, the hearing was held as scheduled. The Board reviewed the file and noted there was on file a letter from the Tompkins County Health Department as requested. The short form EAF was reviewed and the following determined: Cl, C21 C31 C41 C51 C6 and C7 "NO" and D, "NO. PART 111 SECOND BOX CHECKED MICHAEL LAVINE MOVED AS PER ASSESSMENT TO PART TWO OF THE EAF WE ISSUE A NEGATIVE DECLARATION ON THIS PROPOSAL. SECOND BY JOSEPH LALLEY. NO DISCUSSION VOTE CARRIED YES ( 6 ) Be J. NO (0) Caldwell, Davis, R. . M. Hattery, J. La 1 1 e y, Fletcher, M. LaVine. r PB 5 -16 -91 PG. 2 Douglas (Burnous.. ?) asked for a clarification of the EAF. • He is the potential buyer of the propert.y if the modification is approved. • • With no further question or comments Joseph Lalley moved to close the Public Hearing. Second by Michael Hattery. VOTE CARRIED YES (6) Eli (0) Be Caldwell, the MOVED TO M. Hattery, J. Lalley, SUBDIVISION J. Davis, PROPOSED. R. Fletcher and M. LaVine. up DECISION JOHN DAVIS the MOVED TO APPROVE THE MODIFICATION TO THE SUBDIVISION lateer by the AS PROPOSED. SECOND BY- MITCHELL LAVINE. up VOTE YES (6) Be CALDWELL, M. HATTERY, J. LALLEY, J. DAV I S, R. FLETCHER AND M. LAVINE. NO (0) CARRIED. PUBLIC HEARING ON PROPOSED 5 LOT SUBDIVISION AT /ON OR ABOUT 950 SNYDER HILL ROAD JARROW PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION HEARING The Board discussed briefly the proposed covenants and what would be involved and necessary for a change lateer by the residejice, and who's responsible for enforcement. were brought up at , Mr. Jarrow stated he would like to address the concerns which were brought up at last months meeting: 1. To have Health Department with the septic systems. involvement in this process 2. To have some involvement with the County in the planning review process. Noted Legally they are required to do that. F PP 5 -1E -91 PG. 3 3. Concerns about access to the other.Caroline lands owned by Jarrow. 4. There were concerns about the road grades specifications. Jarrow all of 5. Specifications on sight distance for the proposed road entrance to Snyder Hill Road. E. Drainage control during and after constructions Mr. Jarrow stated issued to that Jarrow all of these transferable.' Board and put It is to rest issues were some what technical in nature to the over the and the engineering be developed into these and surveying lots. firm he is working with T.G. Miller has sent a representative. Mr. Jarrow informed the Board that he had again discussed the proposed plan with the neighbors and no objections were raised to him concerning this proposal. The covenants were designed with their interest in mind. David A. Herrick, Engineer discussed the concerns: The Tompkins County Health Department had advised them that • they did not wish to be involved with the review process because they are dealing with five lots, three in access of five acres, that they didn't need to. I have convinced them that it is necessary to do so. We are filling out a permit application for each lot, which will involve soil testing, deep hole test, perk hold test starting on Monday in an attempt to get a septic system permit for each lot. The permits will be issued to Mr. Jarrow and are not transferable.' Board and put It is to rest our any hope to concerns bring the these Board permits may have to the over the ability of this site to be developed into these five lots. We have purposed the lots in the back to be large. The ten acre parcel takes in a considerable amount bf wood land in the back, which has from the approximate woods line what you'd call a mountain goat slope up to the top of the property The areas on lot two, right below the wood line are spacious and an empty field and that's where septic system would be purposed. Same thing for lot three. They are all in *rCess of two acres, in hopes to install sand filters as an alternative system, if we find the conventional tile fields won't work. The soil maps indicate the majority of the sites are covered • by Bath or Lordstown soils which the SCS consider to be well or moderately well drained material. • • PB 5 -16-91 PG. 4 Second issue was County Planning Department involvement. We have sent to the County Planning Department the same information already submitted to the Town. All the applications and forms submitted are in accordance with the Municipal Law that requires this when ever we're within 500 feet of an adjoining municipality. I understand they have 30 days to review the material 'submitted and get back to the Planning Board with any concerns they may have. (30 day tentative date would be 5 -8 -91) Third point - access object concerning to the remaining one lot as proposed. the piece lands that Jarrow owns through on the easement other side deed was of the Town Line. Lot DRYDEN connect it woul the Jar, time - Two has an e - TOWN OF CAR ed these two d be very eas row's wanted the property X O f y t i i L i 0 s sting INE i elds to ti on T very fa s i and e i he s rm mpr f nt o Jar eep lan int 0m th row on e (about wh ed on the m a construct e road if s ' s have no the Caroli ere TOWN OF ap) that ion stand point omeone other then desire at this ne Side. It would be feasible to construct a road from this third curve up near the "T" over t.o the Town of Caroline property. Twenty acres on this lot is buildable, ten acres very steep up in the wooded area. Mr. Jarrow stated he had no objection to placing a right of wav on this site. However thought if anyone did develope the Caroline property they would come from Thomas up. The land is land locked now and purchases would have to transpire before coming into the property from Thomas Road. Discussion Jarrow does not object concerning way but retaining the one lot as proposed. the piece of land through easement or deed was discussed. The owner of lot two when he /she purchases the property would know there is a sixty foot strip that is to be conveyed to the Town when the Town had reason to extent the road. If they know from the start that to give there up is a that potential property. there for a road, then they have J. Lalley sugge 3 so that it would section in question the trees, the pote is on the South sid the North side with st e be nti e o th d c R a f e changi lean in ecogniz 1 for 1 the ri Town o ng the boundary the future that ing Mr. Jarrow w ess problems exi ght of way and L wning the unimpr lin th ant st of ove e of 1 e Town s to p if lot line d port ots ow rot li is ion and ns the ect ne 1 on Mr. Jarrow does not object to the Town owning the right of way but would like to keep the one lot as proposed. V PB 5 -16 -91 PG. 5 M. LaVine suggested the Board might still want to • REQUEST FROM TOWN ATTORNEY PERKINS TO INVESTIGATE TWO ISSUES. 1. SHOULD A STRIP OF LAND BE DEEDED TO THE TOWN WHICH WILL SEPARATE TWO DIFFERENT PARTS OF PARCEL #2. WOULD THAT CREATE A TECHNICAL OR LEGAL PROBLEM REGARDING THE UNITY OF LOT #2. 20 IS THERE ANOTHER TOOL THAT COULD BE CONSIDERED TO PROTECT THE TOWN DESIRE TO PROVIDE ROAD ACCESS FOR ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT OF THE OTHER LANDS OF JARROW WITHIN THE TOWN OF CAROLINE OTHER THAN OWNERSHIP BEING TRANSFERRED TO THE TOWN, SUCH AS SOME SORT OF AN EASEMENT WHICH STILL PROTECTS THE TOWNS FUTURE INTEREST. for sight distance and the Mr. Herrick continued with the concerns: #4 Road Grades: Superintendent Don Gilbert stressed that he is sticking with the limitation of approximately ten per cent on the road grades.from now on. We had originally in the middle a short section of 11.9. What this means is that we do have an area of fill, which will have to be completed with material we cut from the beginning and end of our road. ! Starting out from Snyder Hill Road on the far left it's 5% we do a transition to about 8 and 1/2 and the last 500 feet of the project is 10% Up to the "T" turn around. Mr. Gilbert has reviewed the revised sketch and stated he would send a letter to the Board. The length A of the road is 1,088 feet from the center of Snyder Hill profile Road. #6. Site drainage during and after constructiona Part construct the site been adde note that tents of of ion and d t be an our commit documents the need o this .dra low lot 1 acre in si ti ment wit that wi for eros wing, we is calle ze. h 1 i 9 d Mr. Jarr 1 take in on contro re consid proposed ow is to ace 1. On eying pond, to prepare ount the slope on e thing that has a pond on lot #1, approximately twa It happens to be a point where several low water course areas come together on lot #1. It has natural ridges which • would form two thirds of the circle and then completion of a dike on the remaining third. We are working with Lyle Crandall for proper location and construction techniques for use on the pond. #5. A complete profile was done on Snyder Hill Road where it intersects with the proposed road for sight distance and the visibility is over 500 feet from both directions Using the object height, and requirements the State rises. #6. Site drainage during and after constructiona Part construct the site been adde note that tents of of ion and d t be an our commit documents the need o this .dra low lot 1 acre in si ti ment wit that wi for eros wing, we is calle ze. h 1 i 9 d Mr. Jarr 1 take in on contro re consid proposed ow is to ace 1. On eying pond, to prepare ount the slope on e thing that has a pond on lot #1, approximately twa It happens to be a point where several low water course areas come together on lot #1. It has natural ridges which • would form two thirds of the circle and then completion of a dike on the remaining third. We are working with Lyle Crandall for proper location and construction techniques for use on the pond. It would serve tw • has a nice setting, i far as construction i during construction. before the constructi drainage it ties into property it would hav will return after all established to dredge PB 5 -16 -91 PG. 6 o purposes: 1. t has some nice t will work as I would purpos on of the road, the pond befor e settled out a the road work that out. Aesthet pines our sed e that so tha e it ex ny silt is done ics, for lot 1, it around it. 2. As iment collection base that pond be built t when we do have its the Jarrow The contractor and grass is The proposed house would be built to the left of #1, on Lot number one, South of the pond. There is a natural ridge at the left of the pond, that is the exit point now for a lot of the drainage that comes from the northwestern part of the property, exiting across the Klein's in an existing gully down to a tributary stream which is the boundary between Wate and Jarrow and is a contributory stream to Six Mile Creek. reqLi Lots what lots • Part M e 5 i 1 REVIEW FULL ENVIRONMENTAL ASSESSMENT FORM BY BOARD LaVine had a que ted for the follo .Streets:), which s being asked for 1 -5 and after str of the EAF A. 2 st wi h ee i n a t on on the g lots an s been le e Board t s.. to be After discussion and t indicate type - lands the board and applican appropriate to place 1 Brushland (Non- agricul applica d street ft BLANK o approv named. Tying t caping, t felt 3s8 Aft tUral), tion #7, (Approval s •at this phase: and wish to know e. Placed after o iden After it wou er Com ALTER t i f y Com ld b plet ING "other" pletion 11.3, e more i.on on Meadow or THE EAF. REMINDER NOTE TO CONSIDER A RESTRICTION ON THE SUBDIVISION. (ISSUE PERTAINING TO LEAVING ACREAGE ON EACH LOT UNIMPROVED SO DRAINAGE FROM THE STEEP SLOPES IS NOT ALTERED DUE TO VAST LANDSCAPING) Determined that the 1.2+ acres After Completion on Roads, buildings and other; paved surfaces (road, driveways and roof tops) was an accurate figure, 15 Modified unnamed tributary from FALL to SIX MILE Creek. 17 a) Yes • b) Yes r. • • • PB 5 -16 -91 PG. 7 B 1. c) Project acreage to remain undeveloped changed 35.7 to 0 acres. NOT f) Number of off- street parking spaces proposed changed 10 to proposed 15. 3. a) answer to read "Landscaping /grading within ROW for proposed road ". COULD NOT BE COMPLETED - DUE TO UNAVAILABLE APPLICATIONS E1. And Fossil fuels added after Domestic electric for type of increased THE energy use. 25. Approvals required: No changes to answers. Heal need prov Boar deci t e i d 5 h D d d din to ion epartme ue to t g the i have t on the nt ap he si nform he in subd Pr ze at fo iv oval was discussed. It is not of lots, however they are ion on septic approval for the rmation to help with the approval ision. DETERMINATION OF SIGNIFICANCE COULD NOT BE COMPLETED - DUE TO UNAVAILABLE APPLICATIONS TO COMPLETE THE BOARDS REVIEW PROCESS. TOMPKINS COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING RECOMMENDATION HAS NOT BEEN RECEIVED AS OF THIS DATE. MICHAEL HATTERY MOVED THAT THE PUBLIC HEARING BE RECESSED UNTIL JUNE 139 1991 AT 8:30. SECOND BY ROBERT FLETCHER. DISCUSSION: J. Davis wished to know if this would create a problem for the applicants? D. Herrick stated that he had hoped for a conditional preliminary plat approval tonight, which was not possible because the board hasn't heard from the County which is needed for the SEAR process. J. Lalley mentioned that #8 of the Covenants might be more explicate pertaining to the wording of Usual household pets. B. Caldwell indicated a #18 be added for protection of existing drainage coverage of the land, and a mechanism-for existing Covenants. • • VOTE YES (6) NO (0) RP 5 -16 -91 PG. 8 Be Caldwell, M. Hattery, J. Davis, R. Fletcher, M. CARRIED J. Lalley, LaV ine. M. LAVINE MOVED TO RECONSIDER THE MOTION TO ALTER THE DATE TO THE REGULAR MONTHLY MEETING DATE OF JUNE 20, 1991. SECOND BY J. DAVIS. DISCUSSION: Mr. Jarrow stated he would not be present but his representative would be. VOTE YES (6) NO (0) Be Caldwell, M. Hattery, J. Lalley, J. Davis, R. Fletcher, M. LaVine. CARRIED zauces &a HEARING G60SE -8 D. Harrtpk stated he would like to proceed with the construction documents and asked if the Board thought there were any issues which might nullify his drawings? M. LaVine's concern was modifications. He wasn't concerned with modification, only if the sub division wasn't approved then he would have been billing time to the Jarrows. It was not there had been concerns brought up, but the decision had to be theirs. J. Lalley moved to adjourned. Second M. Hattery Carried Respectfully submitted, ft