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TOWN OF DRYDEN
PLANNING BOARD
APRIL 18, 1991
MEMBERS PRESENT: Chairwoman Barbara Caldwell, Michael Hattery,
Mitchell LaVine, Claudia Brenner, John Davis, and Robert
Fletcher.
ALSO
PRESENT:
Ronald
meeting
Roberts,
of
April
Robert
18,
Jarrow, Bruce Barkley,
Ernie
Bayles,
Tom Clark
there, were any
suggestions,
and
Brien
or comments
Clark.
she would
Additions and /or
were made on the on
off lane when turn a
driveways.
A motion to appr
Lalley, second by M.
correct
ginal co
round we
ove the
LaVine
ion
py
re
min
and
s to the March 21, 1991 minutes
and included the wording pull
mentioned concerning long
sites as amended was made by J.
approved by all members present.
P. Caldwell.had
The
prepared
meeting
and distributed
of
April
the Affordable
18,
1991
was called to order at 80 PM
by
Chairwoman
there, were any
suggestions,
questions
Barbara
or comments
Caldwell.
she would
take them to the
Affordable Housing
Additions and /or
were made on the on
off lane when turn a
driveways.
A motion to appr
Lalley, second by M.
correct
ginal co
round we
ove the
LaVine
ion
py
re
min
and
s to the March 21, 1991 minutes
and included the wording pull
mentioned concerning long
sites as amended was made by J.
approved by all members present.
P. Caldwell.had
J.
prepared
said
and distributed
some material from
the Affordable
Housing
have
Meetings
and
stated if
there, were any
suggestions,
questions
or comments
she would
take them to the
Affordable Housing
to
Advisory
to
Board.
determine
J. D
side of
supply s
numbers
for fami
shortage
av
th
id
ad
ly
.
i
e
e
d
s wond
equat
for a
Tessin
and /or
ered i f
ion. Th
ffordabl
g how ma
individ
there
e mate
e hoes
ny hom
ual sin
were any statistics on-the demand
rial handed out addressed the
ing...and wondered if there were
es /rental units might be needed
its, in order to ascertain the
P. Caldwell stated there seemed to be in the Town of Dryden
for most of the moderate range incomes some renAl available,
family rentals present a problem through out the County. A
specific number of units cannot be ascertained for each
municipality because, all places may not be able to supply any
and people may not want to live in that municipality, but could
be determined on a County wide bases.
J.
Davis
said
in order
to
have
options
available,
you're
going
to
have
to
determine
numbers
and
build
a
number
of
units
that
are
targeted
for affordable
housing.
P.
Caldwell
thought
there
were.ways
of
making
all
housing
more
affordable
(density
factor,
water,
sewer,
streamlining
the
review
process,
financing
programs,
Zoning
laws).
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PB 4 -18 -91 PG. 2
8:45 P.M.
SKETCH CONFERENCE FOR JARROW SUBDIVISION
AT OR ABOUT 940 SNYDER HILL ROAD
Robert and Gail�,Jarrow submitted the following for review.
Robert and Gail Jarrow
Subdivision Snyder Hill Road 1
Town of Dryden, Tompkins County i
I. Subdivison Plans
* 5 lots in the subdivision
* 2 lots greater than 5 acres (discussion with John Anderson, Health
Dept. indicates that the Health Dept. will not be involved in septic
system considerations for such a subdivision).
* The biggest 2 lots are on the steepest part of the property.
* The land has not been farmed for over 20 years (not losing
prime agricultural property). I
* Water is likely to be plentiful (based on survey of adjacent homes).
* Deed restrictions will be included on lots (similar to Ellis Highlands)
to guarantee a residential community with home values
plus land values to exceed $250,000.
- If approved, we are likely to build on one lot.
• - If approved, we are likely to enter an agreement with a
contractor to build a "spec" house for sale with value
exceeding $250,000.
* To ensure the success of such a development, a town road is
essential. Given the value of the existing homes off Snyder Hill
road adjacent to the proposed development,
the current road front lots without a town road would not
support such expensive homes.
II. Proposed Town Road
* Length of road less than 1000 feet
* To contract with T.G.Miller Engineering to ensure that the road
construction meets town specifications
preliminary on site evaluation indicates that the grade
requirements and the drainage considerations can be
met
* 5 driveways off proposed road (none off Snyder Hill)
II1. Neighborhood Considerations
*
We have discussed proposed plans with neighbors, and there
are no objections.
* Road development will be done to guarantee that there are
no drainage problems.
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F'B 4 -18 -91 PG. 3
The parcels
were numbered as, #1 —
upper
rights #2 — lower
right; #3 — lower
left; #4 — middle left;
#5
— upper left.
Lot 3 may have a problem with a sufficient diameter circle
for septic requirements by the Health Department.
The site range entering the.road is over 500 feet.
Mr. Jarrow
said
the
site
most
likely
of
frontage left
to
build
and
the
speck
allowance.
house
on would.be,
examined
#5,
which
has six
and looked
/seven
at a small scale of
the topo
acres.of
and
Tompkins
land and
has
both
a field
and wooded
Map
area
in which,a
house
could
be nestled.
Lot 3 may have a problem with a sufficient diameter circle
for septic requirements by the Health Department.
The site range entering the.road is over 500 feet.
#4 has an
acre and
one
half
to two
acres. There is 170 feet
of
frontage left
on lots
2
and
3 after
the 60 foot road
allowance.
we
have
examined
it
Lot 3 may have a problem with a sufficient diameter circle
for septic requirements by the Health Department.
The site range entering the.road is over 500 feet.
Notify County (bordering Town of Caroline).
The
Recommend
sketch
thinking
1500 to
about
leaving a right of way into the
adjacent
right.of
"Jarrow
five lot
Lands
".
Road.
we
Notify County (bordering Town of Caroline).
The
site
sketch
is
1500 to
2000 feet
from the designated wet lands
to the
right.of
a proposed
five lot
subdivision
Thomas
Road.
we
A topography map is being done.
SUMMERY BY CHAIRWOMAN P. CALDWELL
On
the
sketch
of possible
for
Mr.
Jarrow
about
for
a proposed
five lot
subdivision
during and after
construct
we
have
examined
it
and looked
at a small scale of
the topo
and
Tompkins
County
Soil
Map
photos.
We have concerns aboute
1. The proposed grade on the road.
2. The dimensions of lot number three (3).
3. The possible density in lots two (2), three (3), and
possible four (4) depending on the grades involved.
4. Possible future access to what appears /going to be a
land locked parcel also owned by Mr. Jarrow in the Town
of Caroline.
5. We will want verification of the site distances.
6. We are
concerned
because
of possible
steepness
and soil
conditions
about
drainage
control
both
during and after
construct
i on.
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RB 4 -18 -91 PG. 4
7. We suspect that lot three (3) may not meet Health
Department requirements, and we don't know on lots two
(2) and four (4) .
will have to be referred to the County under Section 239
9 :12 P.M. SKETCH FLAN CONFERENCE
TRAVIS P'ROP'ERTY - BRUCE BARKLEY & ERNIE BAYLES
CHAIRED BY JOSEPH LALLEY
(�iSSL -T/ rjor+ cam-/ eo 54L '
Mr. Barkley stated: Recentn7=y what we are 0+_rrprmTing is a
subdivision of a 26.85 acre tract which has one house on it into
an eleven (11) parcel5of approximately two to two and one half
acre each. This will entail building a road of approximately
900 feet long. We show a very rough sketch plan of this
proposed lot lay out, realizing full well that we have some
adjustments to make in order to accommodate the 250 foot
diameter circle, 125 foot frontage. a preferred "T" at the end
of the cul -de -sac instead of the circle. But basically
presenting this as our intend for the Boards comment.
The propert
approximately
Thomas Road.
acres which h
which include
y is
a q
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as b
s th
located on th
_tarter of a m i
s is a portion
een deeded to
e protected we
e North side of Ellis Hollow Road
le from the intersection of
of a 50 acre parcel of which 25
Cornell University Plantations
t lands.
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E. Bayles stated they were going to pte.c.e to the
Plantations that they bring the 25 foot right of way off the
public road for reasonable access to their land. The
plantations owr6 various tracks of land up and down this water
shed. He didn't think they owned anything else directly
adjacent, though it was his understanding there is a piece of
land in the vicinity that is in the process of, being deeded over
t.o the Land Trust.
It was determined that:
1. A minimum two acre lot size. A 250 foot diameter is
required by the Health Department for a sand filter.
2. There are no hiking or biking trails alon�the wet
lands area at the moment. This is a prot cted wet
lands by the defined "unique and natural areas" - the
recommendation is "keep people out ".
PB 4 -18 -91 PG. 5
30 There will be no path way or encouragement,to a path
way to gain access to the wet lands, the right of way
• is only for the Plantations. They already have access
from Ellis Hollow Road and Mr. Barkley's understanding
is the 25 foot right of way is going to be deeded along
the East boundary property line and not as they have
shown moved over to the end of the road.
4. The approximate dimensions of the 26.85 aicre parcel is
795 plus the road - 1370 on the short side of the
trapezoid - 1630 on the long side..
5. They have had a preliminary meeting by the Health
Department and they are reasonably skeptical, of their
ability to find great amounts of percolating soils in
this area, but didn't give any reason to believe they
couldn't work out something. Preliminary review of the
sloe` indicate they will be hard up for the ten per
cen maximum on the runs.
60 Si distance is perhaps short coming from Ithaca
to) the ro ert (appears to be 500 feet), Towards
P P Y PP
Dryden is much longer.
7. As currently drawn a
road frontage. If wi
the Town Board would
the Planning Board t
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wet lands.
11 parce
shing a
need to
o waive
e D. E. C.
is d
vari
mak
the
con
90 Would require a Long Form EAF.
o not ha
ance and
e a reso
requirem
cerning
ve
er
1 ut
ent
the
1
S
i
25 f
ect i
on a
desi
eet of
on 281
llowinc
gnated
10., Reserve a road right of way for access to the parcel on
the West for possible future development (between lots
8 R 9 suggested) .
11. Concerns
of
drainage
during
and
after
construction were
discussed.
They
will
do
a
drainage
study.
The next meeting could be a preliminary plat hearing but may
wish to return before that stage for a preliminary review.
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PB *4-18-91 PG. 6
10:05 P.M. BRIEN -AND TOM CLARK SKETCH PLAN CONFERENCE
Tom Clark stat
Nagel Estate which
and Livermore Road
like to subdivide
monetary cost.
ed they had
was a farm
S. They pu
parcel 8 in
purchased at auction a part of the
of 120 acres, bordering Bradshaw
rchased parcel s 41517 & 8 and would
order to recover some of the
Brian Clark plans to•build his home on lot #4 and Tom will
be building his home on lot #5. They have a buyer for parcel #7
which will include 100 feet off parcel #86*
10 Parcel #8 would then be approx. it and 1/2 acres.
2. Would like to divide parcel #8 into three (3) building
lots.
3. 'Health Department has not looked at site.
They had planed to develope 7 & 8, however they have found a
buyer that would like lot #7 plus 100 feet which falls into the
field for a building lot himself.
That left a parcel of 500 feet by a 1,000. The Town requires
125 foot road frontage, the Health Department stated they needed
r minimum of 150 feet for a circle.
A gentleman in the Health Department is supposelto contact them
after learning that this was a large Parcel off of an original
farm which lots were sold, in order to determine the rules and
regulations which might apply.
Lot 6 was sold to an individual who intends.to split it with his
friend and would have to go into a sub division.
Discussion on flag lots and other alternatives were discussed on
the lay out of the three lots on this piece of land.
The Clark's had attended tonights meeting in order to review
with the Board their intentions and alternatives in achieving
their goal.
The Tompkins County Agriculture District may lay in that area
and a slightly more complex planning procedure will be
required. Long forik EAF?
Mr. Clark to discuss with'the Health Department their plan for
the whole piece and see if they have made any determinations.
May contact Mr. Schickel to see what plans he has for his lot.
PB 4-18-91 PG. 7
The board to continue to check on long drives.
John Davis moved to Adjourn.... Second by M. Hattery....ADJOURNED
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Michael
Hatterly
reported
he discussed
with
Insurance
Companies
if there wa's
a
way
of evaluating
lengthy
drives
in
terms
of rateing
quality
of drives
in
terms
of
rateing
for
insurance
purposess.
One
Company
said
they
do
have
an
inspector
but,
he doesn't
have
any
criteria,
he
just
goes
out.
Rated
if
the
drive
was accessible
or not
-
would
not
be
of
much
help.
The board to continue to check on long drives.
John Davis moved to Adjourn.... Second by M. Hattery....ADJOURNED
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