HomeMy WebLinkAbout1985-03-21Town of Dryden
Planning Board
. March 21,1985
• The planning board met on March 21,1985 at 8:00P.M. with members
J. Hunt, B. Lavine, H. Slater, R. Lamp ila., Chr. B. Caldwell, and Zoning
Officer S.Stewart present.
Chr.B.Caldwell called the meeting to order at 8:10P.M. Minutes of
March 14th meeting were read. The word two in front of commercial.
garages on page one was deleted.. Motion made by B.Lavine,secondec
by H.Slater to approve minutes, 4 Yes 1 Abstention(R.Lampila)
carried.
Mr.James Aist presented a proposal for a small subdivision on
Snyder Hill. Showed the Board a survey map of 16 acres he owns at
He wants to cut three parcels off of the east end. Had contour mF
to show the slope -land slopes to N.W. -all open field on east end.
Had letter from health dept. stating alright with them for lots,
B.La.vine------ -- "Looking at your contour map it looks like parcel:
B & C a.re on the slope around 17 -18%, which is
reasonably steep. Am I correct ?" '
J.Aist--------__ "For that area I'd say not too steep. It's a gr
yes, but I have never had it measured."
J.Hunt----______ "I think the Board would like to see a more detai
contour map of this specific area."
J.Aist---- ---___ "What's your concern here ?"
J.Hunt--=--_____ "We may want to make some specific requirements o
drainage to avoid damage to adjacent lands. I'm
talking in terms of a 2ft. contour."
J. Aist------ - -__ "Oh, o. K. "
J.Hunt-------___ "When you get into slopes like that, we begin aski
for engineering advise."
B.Caldwell------ "Any other questions or specific material you'd li
him to prepare for public hearing ?"
B. Lavine-------- ',I'd. like to ask for a report from S.C.S. .. All you
have to do is call and tell them you'd like a repo:
for the purpose of Planning Board Review."
not familiar with them. What kind of report ?'
B.Lavine------__ "Soil conditions regarding the development here."
J. Aist-- ----____ "We had a test hole dug before I put the ponain ova:
here. They went down 7 feet and didn't hit any roc::
It's clay. I can bring more maps in."
J. Hunt-----_____ "tJe have soil maps, but S.C.S. will know what we
need."
B. Ca.ldwell------ "They have a. standard summary form they work up
for planning boards. The final map should be at
two foot contour levels. Anything else ?" i
2.
B. Laviine------ - - "I'd like to know what, if any, arrangements
i are made or planning to be made, regarding the
way in which parcels is to..be sold to Per's. Sievert
Will it be consolidated with her parceliso it all
becomes one parcel or what are the details for
what is planned"'
J.;Aislt--------- "All I know is that she has given us a purchase
offer which we've amended. I don't know what she
plans."
B.Laviine------ - - "I would have some concern as to approving a lot
for development that would be landlocked there, i
it were not consolidated with the next lot. I'm
not saying it can't be approved that way, it's
just -that I'm concerned about it. It would be to
your benefit too."
J. A is.t r --------- "I' m not -sure what you mean by consolidation,
"
B. Lavi
ne------ -- "Consolidation plainly means that her existing
parcel and this parcel would become one parcel an!
not two on the tax maps."
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J. Aist "I can find out. I don't think she's thought
of it actually."
B.Caldwell------ "You said something about you actually planned
building restrictions on the transcript."
J.Aist, - - -- !'Yes, we did. A deed restriction is what it wou®
end up being, prohibiting building an obstructiut
on that piece because that's my best view right
through there."
B.Lavine------ - - "I'm concerned what would happen if she sold her
land- -and deed restrictions are often not suffici:
J.Aist--------- "What would you like me to get from her - -a letter`:
B. Lavine------ - -"
Perhaps yes - -that may be useful as to what her
Intentions are and if they are to consolidate it.
I would think along the lines of making that a
contingency in an approval.
J.Aist!----- - - - - "I have a question - -if she does consolidate, will
I have to drop the deed restriction ?"
J, Hunt --- -7----"That would be a question for your attorney."
B.Lavine------ - - "It would be best to consult one. We don't know
the best way to go about it where a lawyer would.
I'm concerned with approving a lot which we would
be approving for development if the deed restricti
somehow disappeared.(which is not unusual.)
J.Hunt------ -- "This is a subdivision involving 3 separate lots.
We're approving a subdivision. We are in essence
violating Town law, because-we're approving a lot
which doesn't have road frontage. This is our
dilemma. We can't violate the law. We're both
working toward the '�itcome. "
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B.Lavine--- ---- =!'I'd like you to be able to keep your deed
restrictions and put this in too, but I don't
know if it's possible. 11
• J..Aist--------- -- "What happens if it's not possible to consolida
it with the deed restrictions applying to that
piece ?"
B. Caldwell --- - - -- "We'll check from ourpoint, you check from your:
Ou$ next regular meeting is April 18th for a
public hearing at 8:OOP.M. We'll see you then.'
(We'll keep at least one of these maps with our
records,")
Mrs.Levin & Brown "Essentially
we
have some
questions
to
ask and ,
can answer
some.
We're concerned
about
the pro-
posed
M.A.Zone
amendment
and-resulting
ordinance
and site
review
board amendments.
We found
out
about
this for
the first
time when
they
had the
public
hearing
and we found
out we
were
supposes
in one
of the M.A.Zones.
We have since
then me
sented
a petition
to the
Town Board.
Have they
shown
that to you
?"
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B.Caldwell------ - "No- -they have been working on that directly as
a committee."
Levin - Brown------ "This was our first question. Does this come b!
to you, the Planning Board, at all? "(These amens
ments. )
B.Caldwell ...... "We were updated at our meeting last Thursday on
where they were at and we were told that they wear
continuing to work on them. Whether we will see
again in another form, I don't know, or if they T^
take it again directly to the public hearing. I
believe that they have to take the amendments to
public hearing."
Levin- Brown---- "That's
the Pla
B. Caldwell------ "We can
you can
point."
what we understood, but we wondered whets
nning Board would have any more imput curl
of course pass on anything, but I think
pass anything on directly to them at thiF
Levin - Brown--- -- "With our petition we presented to them, we also
asked them to stand ready to hear from them. ',de
haven't heard anything. We want to know where iAre
can go from here.
J.Hunt$-----_ -_'►They probably haven't met since their last regul
meeting."
Levin - Brown--- - "We've had a neighborhood meeting and we would lii<,
to talk compromises on this, as areas-are concerne
J.Hunt-------__ "They get a copy of our minutes so why don't you
explain the areas you're concerned about."
B.Caldwell---- - "We can make sure our secretary gets a copy of our
minutes to them as soon as possible."
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Levin.- Brown-- -!'You id like to see what our group is concerned
with° 2his is very informal. We've talked infor:;
with most of these people and want to get back wig
some feeling if the town is going to listen to it
at all. Our petition was signed with 100% of r�
owners in the area affected."
B..Lavine--- XIs this on both sides of Route 137"
LevinBrown - - - "Ea t of Rte.l3,yes. (The 3 houses as farlas old
Stevens Rd. Russell, Williams, We're r
sa.ying�we don't want it there at all - -we'd just lil
to see it moved a little because the area it's its.,
largely residential, and if you go north of Rte.13,
It's not."
R.Lampila--- - - "Do you have a map ?"
Levin '!Brown - -- "Yes. Things have changed a little since all this
happened. Our knowledge has changed since the pape
the other night. (Mr.Abbott's gift to the State for
Armory. Explanation of map border lines-- imr.Sc'haft
signed petition but doesn't mind being in an N.A.Zo
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B.Caldwell---- "Let's describe by parcel numbers so we can get the
recorded in our minutes."
J. Hunt---- -- -JThe line as you propose - -Map 43, parcel 21.2 line
directly east along the southern edge of 33.1 cuttin
across 9.2 on map 42 going south along western edz
of lot 31 on map 43- -going east along south edge
lot 31 across lot 3.2 and proceeding east on map 44,
and slant S.E. from a point on tap 43 along the line
of S.border of map 42- -31.3 proceeding south to Lowe
Creek Rd. on the western boundary of lot 35.2 and th
eastward along Lower Creek Road -- Eastern boundary 301
Levin�Brown - - "We can't speak for the Russell °s or 4H, but this is
our idea in general."
B.Lavne--- - - "I would expect that your concern is not only to lea
these residential lots out of the proposed M.A.Zone
but to make sure there is some kind of a border Zone
that will give some protection to those residential
lots from the M.A. use. Do you feel that each of thr
lots has enough space behind?"
Levin;Brown -- "Except here -- -we've talked to all these residents t
have long thin lots. Back here is all swamp - -they fe
it provides a good enough buffer."
B. Lavine - - - -- "
You realize that with the Armory in this area it wi;
probably bring utilities(sewer & water) to this area-
which is one of the reasons we saw it as an appropri-
area. for an M. 9. zone. "
Levin' Brown -- "This man has a trailer on his property now and p
e
to build a house there in it's place. Another man
a lot here and wishes to build there this year. Are
these men going to be able to alo this if the zone is
changed to M.A.? We don't want to live in an M.A.zoi
where further residential development it prohibited.'
5.
B.Lavine------ "That is certainly a conflict. The purpose of ma.kir.
M. Z. zones to provide the land for M.A. development a.r
at the same time not to have any undo taking from t.1
existing, what would be nonccnf orming uses."
• Leven - Hrown - -XWe have 41 signatures on the petition who live there
now and do not want to be in M.A.zone."
B.Lavine------ "But what you're talking about is not an existing u:,
You're talking about people's plans to build in the
future. Both things are perfectly understandable
concerns. I'mjust trying to point out the fact 'there
Is indeed a stronger conflict in my opinion with the
idea that we must reserve the right for people to
build houses in what we see as an appropriate area f
MoA.zone. It's one thing to protest the existing us
another thing to protect future uses."
J. Hunt- ;----- -- "This can happen any
an M.A.zone -- because
There isn't one piec
farm) becomes an PSI. A
simply possibilities
where
we h
e of
.zone
that
in the town, that we estal.-
ave ramdom spotty developme
lard that we can say (this
These are not recommenda.t
I've drawn in."
Levin - Brown - - -. "Which came first-- twater,sewer thing or the armory ?"
J.Hlant-------- "Water-sewer potential has been there all the time.
N. Y. S. E. S, wants to get water -sewer out to them."
R. Lampila--- -- "Perha.ps I can answer some questions. The whole con
of development has been considered by this board for
over two years. There's no question about it, if we
going to provide places for our existing businesses
grow, and hopefully for some new ones to grow, we ha
to look at some areas where this could happen, and a
John stated, we had to have available water and sewe
The Town Board has seen fit to see that the Town of
Dryden shares an ownership of point water as
well as water treatment plant in Ithaca.
Obviously if we're going to utilize this facility we
have to look at where we can potentially bring these
lines to service the customer. Hopefully what we're
looking at is providing development, and this is a.
logical area for it to happen."
Levin - Brown--- "Does this Board want to make this end of the Town o
Dryden look like the Elmira Road? It says retail
businesses(hamburger stands, used car dealers, etc.)
J.Hunt------ - - "No- -this is the reason for site restrictions."
Levin - Brown --- "If there is no public hearing to question what goes
in there, it's 8.11 up to the Board."
J.Hunt-----_-- First of all, they're all specifically restricted in
terms of buffers and. curb cu.ts(key point). This is
controlled development."
B. Caldwell - --- "What do you see as the best way for Bev and Kitty tr
get this to the Town Board, the people who are;worki
on this in a timely fashion ?"
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J. Hun
-- - - - - -- 6hink first of all I want to go back and loo.'_
some of the things we've suggested here- -1
have no idea if the Town Board will approve the.
or not."
Levin ,'& Brown--- "Should we present this to the Town Board ?" \
J.Hunt---------- "The Town Boarrd will get a copy of our minutes."
B. Caldwell ------ "I think it would be more appropriate if the Towa
j Board could see your map."
J.Hunt---------XI suggest you take your map back to your neighbor
and see what you can come up with now with oux
j suggestions. Get one proposal and bring it to
next Town Board meeting and present it. They me
the second Tuesday of the month."
Levin = .Brown ---- "Has there been any SEQR study of this area ?"
J.Hurnt--------- "Each proposal as it comes up, is reviewed under
the SEQR. If a, change is controversial then a publ
hearing is required by law." `
B.Lavne------ - "I would propose a resolution of the board that t
major premise of leaving the existing residential
use as far as possible out of the proposed zone,
be something that we forward as a premise, that va:
would support. "
B.Caldwell--- -- "You're making
SO MOVED BY B. LAVINE_SECONDED
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Discussion - ---- R.Lampila -- -the
not the lines--- -
that a formal . motion,0"
BY J.HUNT
resolution is to pass the concern,
MOTION CARRIED
G.Shelhamer-- - - "I'm here to ask some questions. We're from Beam
Hill Rd.- -Fite 38 side. There was a special Town
Board meeting a couple weeks ago. There was a fell
who wants to build a multi family dwelling on somE
property he's buying there. Approximately 20
families who live on that road got together- -we'r(
not in favor of any multi family development on ot•
road - -no objection to single family dwellings. lie
are wondering if there's anything that can be done
to keep out or limit multi family units in this ai
J.Hunt ........ "Under the present zoning code we have nolpower in
this kind of situation. These things are allowed b
special permit which the Town Board grants. We are
in long range process of reviewing entire zoning
structure of town. One of the things we are worki n
away from are special permits. The present zoni
®
requirement is simply that the owner gets special
permits from the Town Board, The Board has to hole
a public hearing and at that point you can present
any opposition or encouragement you have.. Then the
Town Board makes its decision.
7.
B.Iavine------ - -" ?Make your concerns known to us and work with
us on zoning, We need your imput. "
B.Caldwell .... -- "Are there any essential concerns at this time ?" I
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(There were none.)
J.Hunt made motion to adjourn -- seconded by B.Lampila-- -- carried.
Meeting adjourned 10 *00P.M.
Secretary,
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