HomeMy WebLinkAbout1981-01-15Planning Board
Town of Dryden January 15, 1981
OPresento Actin Chm
Acting . B. Lavine, J. Hunt, T. Bonn, C. Dann, Zo. S. Stewart
Before the board proceeded with the public hearing, a correction was made in
the minutes of last months meeting. Under concerns of the board, #2 - concerning
Lot #6, was not properly stated. It read, something to be done with houses on lots
that have backyards to Hanshaw Road - especially Lot #6, possibly buffer area of
trees. Should be, lots that have backyards to Hanshaw Road was in the future ext-
ension which was not formally proposed. Concern with Lot #6 was whether or not
the shape of it could be changed such that different access to the future exten-
sion might be considered. No other corrections, minutes stand except for above
change.
PUBLIC HEARING - ROCCO LUCENTE SUB - DIVISION IN AREA OF HANSHAW
DRIVE
Mr. Fabroni outlined the sub - division as follows:
ROAD AND CARDINAL
1) Asking for approval of
seven lots.
All
either on extension of
Cardinal Drive or on a
road named
Oriole
Drive.
2) Location
future a
eight of
started.
build up
now.
map showed topographic lines to show what will happen in
rea. Not that far in future. Direct comments to seven lots,
the twelve lots approved on Cardinal Drive have construction
Last four lots being cleared because Mr. Lucente expects to
to eleven houses next year which is why need for seven lots
3) Pond as shown on map would be left where shown.
4) Land
sloped
1 %,
until a point 300' from Hanshaw Road begins to
drop
off to
4%
or 5 %.
5) Seven lots be drained to lot lines, out to street, along street dit-
ches, under the road and basically everything - - -- small section of
lot one and two would drain to Hanshaw Road, East on Hanshaw Road, to
culvert, 24", under Hanshaw Road and about 3000' enters into Fall
Creek.
6) Build one and two family homes, drain with footer systems from founda-
tion and grass over areas cleared as part of construction.
7) Map #3 detail drawing of sewer plan for lots. Water line put in as
phase #1 of Cardinal Drive. It looped around to Meadow Lark already.
8) Have letters from Soil Conservation Service and County Planning Depart-
ment.
• 9) Have to go Town Board for approval of the area that encompasses the
seven lots for water and sewer district. The seven lots are last area
that can be served by gravity sewer without going to a pump station.
Not include two lots that border on Hanshaw Road. By doing sewer dis-
trict this way leaves open possibility for Ludgate property and lot
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to West connecting into the pump,station, if they desire. 0
10) Health Department approval after gone to the Town Board,
Mr. Fabroni answered question board had last time concerning traffic,
water pressures and future area - airport zones.
1) Traffic - see no problems. Expect some houses on Meadow Lark to
use as way out to Hanshaw Road. Should relieve some pressure
of intersection where Sapsucker Woods comes into Hanshaw Road
which has bad sight distance to East.
2) Water pressure that was tested on Meadow Lark is 32 pounds per
square inch. When open hydrant and draw 730 gallons per minute,
can still maintain 29 pressure in main. Fire Department wants
to draw basically 750 gallons per minute. Test done by Fire
Underwriters when Meadow Lark developed. Land there above 1090
elevation and area on Cardinal Drive and Oriole below 1090 and
can expect same pressure range.
3) Future airport zone - on master plan for county, study showed
people affected by noiseyness than by loudness. On sketch 100
is noise rating where people affected more. Between 100 and 115
only multiple family should be allowed. Residence affected in
that range are in town of Lansing and near where Hanshaw Road makes O
bend toward Route 13. The seven lots are not affected by noise
zone.
Mr. Hunt also stated that the board raised the question on layout of future
division , determined by shape of lot #6. What are options or other possibility.
Mr. Fabroni said one
option
is to extend Cardinal
Drive through, which he
thought had
disadvantage
because
could create raceway.
Other than that could
hold off construction
on
that lot
at least until board
made decision on other
piece. Lot
1#6 could be held
off
to tenth or eleventh
lot when they come back
and discuss
whole area to
East.
Also stated Lot #6
could be left out of this
approval.
One option is
it could
become.part of two lots.
No intersection down
there
then.
Mr.
Lavine
thought that two intersections would
be just as
dangerous. Mr.
Fabroni
thought
no problem because of low density.
One option
to take Cardinal
Drive straight
through or take Meadow Lark a little
differently
to East.
QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENCE:
Deborah Levin - 1608 llanshaw Road concerning future plan. She thought
reason why Oriole Drive was put in was because someone from state level ob-
jected to a loop without an outlet.
Mr. Bonn statdd reason why board supported it was safety factor. Mr.
Lavine did not want to see another intersection onto Hanshaw Road.
Katherine Brown
- 515
Lower Creek Road concerned on traffic
on Hanshaw
Road. In August 1977
asked how many units
Mr.
would
Lucente quoted in Ithaca Journal, - --
be rented to students. Mr. Lucente
Mr. Lavine
said no in-
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tention of renting house at -- but must reserve legal option of renting on
•temporary basis until buyer be found. Mrs. Brown asked how many already built
on Cardinal and Meadow Lark Drive are rented or sold?
Mr. Lucente said four are sold, five or six on lease purchase out of total
of twenty -two houses. They.are not rented to students.
Mrs Brown concern that neighborhood be perminant residence who have interest
in area rather than transient. People who are concerned for area in long term.
Mr.
Bonn stated original concern with renting
was litigation
concerning
Sapsucker
Woods in town of Ithaca. No one wants a
repeat of that.
Mr. Lucente
been before
board since then with plans and had admitted would be
renting to
families
raised a
who could rent out a portion of house to
concern but not objection.
others. As a
board, we
Mr. Fabroni stated he sees change, where people now are forced to rent be-
cause don't have money for down paymetit due to high interest rates.
Mr. Lavine asked Mrs. Levin if concern with noise area. She stated no real
problem, you do get use to it. Mr. Lavine said when formal consideration, map
will show lines for hazard zone.
The
last
time a
question
was discussed about concern of pond on Ludgate
property.
The
board
wanted to
know their concerns.
Mrs. Rebecca Ludgate stated they were concerned. That her husband had spoken
to one of Mr. Lucente's formans about moving pond onto their property and use fill
from their land to fill in pond. They like to keep it because they use it to swim
in. They then would fence it in.
The pond is seven feet deep in center, when full and four feet deep in edge.
Its a dug pond and is filled by run off. When they bought the property from
Cangis, pond was already there.
Mr. Lavine wanted to make clear to himself about discussion concerning pond.
Ludgates would prefer the pond be completely on their land and Mr. Lucente just
as soon not have on his two lots.
After discussion the agreement between Mr. Lucente and Ludgate would be
acceptable to both. Mr. Lucente would move pond and Ludgate would fence it
themself for their own protection.
Chairwoman Caldwell left
a note concerning
something she
wanted to know,
what affect water
site -sewer
area would have on
Ludgate land.
If Ludgate want
to be part of it
would it be
possible?
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Mr. Fabroni
said easement
could be given if
wish to hook
into either one.
Mrs. Ludgate said
interested
in hooking into sewer.
The following motion was made by Mr. Bonn that board give preliminary
•approval of plans as amended during the meeting to reflect the holding of Lot
#6 until, construction on Lot X16, until board sees plans for remainder of devel-
opment, remaining forty -five shown lots, also reflecting easement across Lot #7
to provide access for water and sewer to Ludgate lots and movement of pond re-
flecting fact that Mr. Lucente will move the pond onto Ludgate propetty.
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Motion second by Mr. Dann,
Discussion on motion, Mr. Hunt wondered if can have Mr. Lucente move pond -
thought a matter of agreement between the two. If our part to assign responsi-
bilities.
Mr. Lavine wanted to know if to show in motion as had been agreed at this
meeting between two parties.
Mr. Bonn stated he said as reflected by discussion. Mr. Hunt stated the
motion can stand.
Mr. Lavine had one question concerning Lot X16, wording, if requiring it be
held or reflecting?
.Mr. Bonn said if we approve the lot, all seven, he's reflecting the dis-
cussion that stated if they were to build on Lot #6, we would have right to
redesign or hold up any further approval of forty -five lots.
Mr.. Lavine said not requiring just recognizing situation.
After discussion, the board voted on motion with all members voting yes,
motion carried.
OTHER DISCUSSION:
A booklet
on Solar
Access Guidelines
from New York State Energy Office was
given to board
from Mr.
Cotterill, to read
over.
Mr. Hunt stated the State passed new chapter law that provides the opportunity
of municipalities to protect access to sun for purpose of generating solor energy.
Variety of ways to be done. How to fit into zoning code. He will read booklet and
have suggestions for next meeting.
Mr. Dann wanted to know if town has parking
ordinance. Mr. Stewart said town
did have something
because of snow
plows. Mr.
Dann concerned about Lake Road
where resident has
been parking on
side of road,
on the line between town and the
village.
They
are
having driveway
problems
due
to the
snow.
Mr. Lavine wondered if have ability to do something about parking on side of
road?
Mr. Dann stated propetty on the line, whose problem.
Mr. Lavine stated maybe could get in touch with village about situation.
A resolution was made to Town Board by Mr. Dann that a safety problem exists
on Lake Road on the line between the village and town because of parking and
village should be contacted. Motion second by Mr. Bonn. All members voted on the
resolution.
Mr.
Dann wanted
to
know about Kirk Road. Mr. Stewart stated that he thought
letters
were written
to
state.
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• Mr. Dann also concerned about the two different ends of Beam Hill Road with
emergency vehicles. One:.part.is off Route 38 and other off Irish Settlement Road.
Wondered if something done here like on Mineah Road,
Mr.
Stewart thought
possibly could be East and
West. He knew of no com-
plaints
so far concerning
emergency vehicles having
problems.
Mr. Lavine stated possibly could talk to people who live there and tell
them our concern and suggestion calling East or West and see what their response
is. Just add East or West to name.
A resolution was made by Mr. Dann to write letters and see if have problem
and want something done. Second by Mr. Hunt. All members voted yes. Motion
carried.
Meeting adjourned 9:30 PM
Respectfully submitted,
Joan Bray - Secretary
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