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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1968-06-20T0;•N PLAN NIM BOARDS T07.MT OF DRYD�I, NF77%7 YORK June 20, 1968 The town of Dryden Planning Board opened its June meeting at 8:09 p.m. at the Town Hall, with the following members present: Chairman Curtiss, :vr. Hanford, Mrs. Hardesty, Pessrs. Paterson and Reed. Also in attendance were Mrs. Kenneth Post in connection with the preliminary presentation of her minor subdivision, and lira Donald I•'eKee, Licensed Land Surveyor (F. Donald McKee Associates) in connection with the public hearing on the Ring- wood KnoUs Subdivision. Public Hearin: Major Subdivision -- "Ringwood Knolls" (Leland & Belva. Cornelius) Advertisement re public presented by 1T. Donald le'cKe Board meeting, comprising 12 on a hilltop lying NortlzTest from the entrace to Rit wood detail of presentation. hearing read aloud. This hearing concerned the plat on behalf of the Corneliuses at the May 16 Planning lots of at least 30,000 square feet each, situated of Ringwood Road, approximately across Ringwood Road Court. (Please refer to page 2 of may 16 minutes for %x. McKee reported that development of this project has become snagged on the matter of clear title to sufficient property at the entr...nce of the Cornelius' new road. Since the Nay Planning Board meeting, Mr. YcKee and the Corneliuses had met vrith rir. Richard Case to examine the roadbed. 11x. Case indicated that he would be satisfied with the road grade as laid out, but that the Town would need a 45- foot width at: at the road entrance in order to allow the snow plows room to swing from the adjoining bridge abutment onto the nei-T road. At the present time, the Corneliuses can prove ownership to only 37 feet at that point. Apparently at the time that ham.. x the deeds were written up some fifteen years ago, the description of the division lines (between the Cornelius and VanPelt properties) was very vague, and in Mr. IMcKee's opinion the situation now calls for gentlemanly negotiation. The abutting owners, Air. and Mxs. Dana VanPelt, are now in Florida so are not available for c cnf erenc e. Mr. PA,%Kee added that ;`•irs. Amdur had turned the case over to Mx. William Barrett of Ithaca in order to eliminate any possible conflict of interest; and it was Mr. Barred.'s intention to get this matter straightened out with the abutting neighbors upon his return to Ithaca in the near future. Jim PbKee stated that he did not the Conservation Department regarding that McKee obtain a written statement for presentation with his material.) think that there would be any problem with the stream bed. (:'r. Curtiss later requested to this effect from the Conservation Department, Mr. McKee stated that his present concern was that the present layout ranges in lot size from 30,000 to some above 30,000 square feet, but will not fit into the 40,000 square -foot classic "icati :,n specified by the D_ roposed zoning ordinance. fir. NcKee had been unaware of this specification at the time he drew the layout. The soil is, he said, beautiful. Tine approach is steep, but nevertheless he considered this very nice property for subdivision. The attorney was at that time. ready to draw up conveyance papers, but could not write the description because of the title - •cloud problem. Mr. McKee saw no point in putting further time into the project until the title situation could be straightened out. PP Dryden Town Planning Board In the course of the public • gratuitous professional advice, -2- June 20, 1968 hearing, Mr. McKee offered the Planning Board some which is inserted here: Imnortant to Consider Drainage in Subdivision Applications Yx. McKee stressed the importance of attention to storm -water drainage (Sections 6.71 and 7.14, Subdivision Control Regulations) in any subdivision in view of the fact that any drainage problem becomes much more severe when houses are built than it was when the land was open field. (He also noted that in the Cornelius subdivision, there is a Class C stream for runoff, so that there will be no problem as long as there is no pollution.) Conservation Department Policy on Disturbance of R)d sting Streams . Mr. McKee indicated that it is Conservation Dep2rtr;ent policy to require that any conternpla.ted work that affects a stream bed which has been classified, and which work involves more than 4 cubic yards of material, should be under- taken only with approval from the Conservation Department. It Is necessary in any case, he added, to determine from the Conservation Department whether or not the stream has been classified by them. Revision of Subdivision Control Fades & Regulations as to Procedure Mr. V`cKee pointed out the desirability of holding the public hearing .. earlier in the process, so that if there is serious reason: to stop development, it is known before money and work have been wasted. (Hearing continued) .Mr. Curtiss inquired what approval had been granted by the Tompkins County Health Department. Mx. McKee answered that they had tentative, verbal approval for all 12 lots. Longest percolation test was eight minuted; i,*aste disposal is designed for ten minutes. Mr. Curtiss asked how the recognized drainage problem had been handled. Mr. o McKee replied that a sli:ice pipe had already been installed, and that they should be able to write. a drainage easement to take care of the Lot 2 - Lot 3 drainage problem. (NOTE: Dimensions of such easement is required by Section 5.23•) Mr. McKee stated that Mr. Case had been very (appropriately) strict about the road work he wanted done, and that 1 "Irs. Amdur was also very particular that the title should be correct. Mr. Barrett was to attend to the latter upon his return July 1, but it was YcKee's estimate that this would consume at least a month. Re concern about the conflict in lot -size requirement, Mr. McKee asked when zoning would be corning into effect. Probably not until Fall, Mr. Curtiss replied, explaining some of the factors effecting the delay. Mrs. Hardesty inquired if it would be PPP Dryden Town Planning Board -3- June 20, 1968 possible in this situation to grant approval to the plat conditional upon comple- tion of all other factors to the satisfaction of the Planning Board. Mr. Curtiss indicated that he thought this could be done; but that it would also be possible Ll 'J for McKee to submit the completed material to Curtiss before the August meeting. ° In view of the fact that it had already been reviewed by the Planning Board and subjected to Public Hearing, Mr. Curtiss could then stamp approval personally. No written communications had been received on the subdivision; no one was present to speak at the hearing. Hearing closed at 8:42 p.m. Minor Subdivision -_Mrss Kenneth Post. Ellis Hollos•; Road: Preliminary Presenta This subdivision comprises the portion of her home property on South (uphill) side of Ellis Hollow Road directly across from the Post residence, and running from May property at Genung Road., Westward to the Llenroc lat1d on Quarry Road. Mrs. Post presented copies of a dravring taken from a survey ?b - Carl Crandall several years ago; the drawing is approximately accurate. Mrs. Post stated that she had talked with the Health Department about a sub- division, and quoted from a Health Department letter of instruction. tors. Post had been conducting incidental sales of lots from her property for some years prior to Subdivision Control, outlined as follows: First sold to Oliver Jones, Jr. 160' frontage X 225' depth (from center of road); Jones built residence on this. Next a Mr. Brellock purchased 200' X 225', not as yet built upon. Dr. Kenney built on a 225' X 225' lot, also purchased an additional lot of identical size directly behind. Mr. Elwood Glover purchased-(and was then building upon) 200' X 225' lot, but because of poor drainage.(over 45 minutes) the Health Department required 75,000 square feet (250' X 3001 + 10 %, total area 75.000 sq. ft.). Mr. Glover therefore purchased another 225' depth, and j`r. Jones purchased an additional triangular plot shown,* Mr. Brellock also purchased an additional small portion to the Fast of his lot in order to satisfy the Health Department. The remaining frontage property showed numbers 1 (225'): 2 (2251)t 3 (2001)+ 4 (2001) and 5 (2001), plus a 60 -foot access strip to backland. Mrs. Post had asked Health Department whether they would accept a 200' frontage if the total acreage was maintained; they replied that they would consider each lot on its own merits. The Planning Board discussed the situation and recommended that Mrs., Post apply froj approval for her Lots 1 and 5, and that she request approval from the Health Department for those lots and forward same to Planning Board, at which time Planning Poard approval could be stamped on four copies. (Planning Board also indicated willingness to °swap" lots and /or entertain a request for a different designation of lots up to two, for a minor subdivision. It was pointed out that as soon as jars. Post were ready to sell a third lot, this would become a '•lajor Subdivision.) Mrs. Post indicated that should have a buyer, as long a the Planning Board's approval. to the Health Department and 4� for formal approval.. she would prefer to hold up further action until she s her preliminary plans for lots 1 and 5 met with When she had a buyer, she stated, she would apply ould forward her information to the Planning Board Dryden Totim Planning Board -4- June 20, 1968 Zonir� • t-x. Curtiss announced a very important joint Town Board - Planning Board work meeting in executive session Tuesday, June 25 at 7:30 p.m. to review and criticize the zoning ordinance draft. All Planning Board members indicated willingness to attend June 25 meeting if at all possible, and all indicated full willingness to work together constructively with the Town Board to resolve present difficulties inherent in the draft, in order to reach a mutually desired goal on intent and workability. (NOTE: PlanningBoard also met to work on zoning- ordinance revisions on June 27 -- no minutes.) Future Meetinas June 25, 7:30 p.m. (See above) June 27, 7:00 p.m. (See above) No regular Plannim Board meeting for July because of out- of -toi,m vacations. August regular Planning Board :meeting to be announced. 9 Respectfully, Virginia H. Hardesty (Mrs. L. B.) Secretary to the Planning Board NO -T' ®will OF ®RvDEN ` �C DRYDEN, NEW YORK If CK ' June 11, 1968 IN THE HEART OF FINGER LAKES REGION To Appear in both the Ithaca Journal and the Rural News For Immediate Release, Thursday, Friday, or Saturday, June 13,14,15 Official Notice Please Take Notice that the Planning Board of the Town of Dryden will hold a public hearing, pursuant to Section 276 of the Town Law on the application of I1.r. and Mrs. Leland Cornelius for approval of a major subdivision plat entitled "Ringwood Knolls" located on the north side of Ringwood Road near the Ellis Hollow Creek Road. Said Hearing will be held on the 20th day of June 1963 at the Town offices at 8 p.m. at which time all interested. persons will be given an opportunity to be heard. By or er of the Planning Board Peter A. Curtiss, Chairman Thank you- If there are any questioifts, please call me at 275 -5014. Bill to Town of Dryden Town Clerk Dryden, New York cc. G.A. Lee / M. Luss, Clerk1/ -r yc� TOWN PLANTNIM BOARD, TOTZI OF DRYDEV, NF,d YORK June 20, 1968 • The town of Dryden Planning Board opened its June meeting at 8:09 p.m. at the Town Hall, with the following members present: Chairman Curtiss, Mr. Hanford, Mrs. Hardesty, Messrs. Paterson and Reed. Also in attendance were Mirs. Kenneth Post in connection with the preliminary presentation of her minor subdivision; and Mr. Donald McKee, Licensed Land Surveyor (F. Donald McKee Associates) in connection with the public hearing on the Ring- wood KnoUs Subdivision. Public Hearing: Major Subdivision P= "Ringwood Knolls" (Leland & Belva Cornelius Advertisement re public presented by IT. Donald YcKe Board meeting, comprising 12 on a hilltop lying NorUnTest from the entrace to Ri wood detail of presentation. ) hearing read aloud. This hearing concerned the plat e on behalf .of the Corneliuses at the May 16 Planning lots of at least 30,000 square feet each, situated of Ringwood Road, approximately across Ringwood Road Court. (Please refer to page 2 of May 16 minutes for i%r, McKee reported that development of this project has become snagged on the matter of clear title to sufficient property at the entrance of'the Cornelius' new road. Since the Nay Planning Board meeting, L;r. MccKee and the Corneliuses had met v ith M-eir. Richard Case to examine the roadbed. M r. Case indicated that he would be satisfied with the road grade as laid out, but that the Town would need a 45- foot width at at the road entrance in order to allow the snow plows room to swing from the adjoining bridge abutment onto the new road. At the present time, the Corneliuses can prove o,�mership to only 37 feet at that point. Apparently at the time that t,e -„.: =?gat the deeds were written up some fifteen years ago, the description of the division lines (between the Cornelius and VanPelt properties) was very vague, and in Yr. :°cKee's opinion the situation ncTa calls for gentlemanly negotiation. The abutting owners, Mr. and Yrs. Dana VanPelt, are now in Florida so are not available for conference. Mr. McKee added that Mrs. Aardur had turned the case over to Yr. William Barrett of Ithaca in order to eliminate any possible conflict of interest; and it was .1r. Barretts intention to get this matter straightened out with the abutting neighbors upon his return to Ithaca in the near future. Mr. McKee stated that he did not think that there would be any problem with the Conservation Department regarding the stream bed. (Mr. Curtiss later requested that McKee obtain a written statement to this effect from, the Conservation Department, for presentation with his material..) ixl. McKee stated that his present concern was that the present layout ranges in lot size from 30,000 to some above 30,000 square feet, but veilf not fit into the 40,000 square400t classification specified by the proposed zoning ordinance. Mr. McKee had been unaware of this specification at the time he drew the layout. The soil is, he said, beautiful. The approach is steep, but nevertheless he considered this very nice property for subdivision. The attorney Was at that time ready to draw uo conveyance papers, but could not write the description because of the title. cloud problem. Mir. McKee swvi no point in putting further ti r:e into the oroject until the title situation could be straightened out, 0 riA N H ' Dryden Town Planning Board In the course of the public • gratuitous professional advice, _2� June 2o, 1968 hearing, ir. McKee offered the Planning Board some which is inserted here: Important to Consider_ Drainage in Subdivision Applications Mr. McKee stressed the importance of attention to storm water drainage (Sections 6.71 and 7.14, Subdivision Control Regulations) in any subdivision in view of the fact that any drainage problem becomes much more severe when houses are built than it was when the land was open field. (He also noted that in the Cornelius subdivision, there is a Class C stream for runoff, so that there will be no problem as long as there is no pollution.) Conservation Department Policy on Disturbance of misting Streams Mr. YcKee indicated that it is Conservation Deprrtr;ent policy to require that any contemplated work that affects a stream bed which has been classified, and which work involves more than 4 cubic yards of material, should be under- taken only with approval from the Conservation Department. It Is nac essary in any case, he added, to determine from the Conservation Department whether or not the stream has been classified by them. • Revision of Subdivision Control Rules & Regulations as to Procedure Mr. McKee pointed out the desirability of holding the public hearing earlier in the process, so that if there is serious reason to stop development, it is. known before money and work have been wasted. (Hearing continued) Mr. Curtiss inquired jj Health Department. Mr. 11 for all 12 lots. Longest designed for ten minutes, what approval had been granted by the Tompkins County N.Kee answered that they had tentative, verbal approval percolation test was eight minuted; waste disposal is Mr. Curtiss asked how the recognized drainage problem had been handled. Mr. McKee replied that a sluice pipe had already been installed, and that they should be able to write a drainage easement to take care of the Lot 2 - Lot 3 drainage problem. (NOTE: Dimensions of such easement is required by Section 5.23•) Mr. Nb Kee stated that Yxo Case had been very (appropriately) strict about the - road work he wanted done, and that Mrs. Amdur was also very particular that the title should be correct. Mr. Barrett was to attend to the latter upon his return July 1, but it was YcKee's estimate that this would consume at least a month. Re concern about the conflict in lot -size requirement, Mr. A'cKee asked when zoning would be coming into effect. Probably not until Fall, Mr. Curtiss replied, explaining some of the factors effecting the delay. iirs. Hardesty inquired if it would be • 2 y Dryden Town Planning Board -3� June 200 1968 possible in this situation to grant approval to the plat conditional upon comple- tion of all other factors to the satisfaction of the Planning Board. Ir. Curtiss indicated that he thought this could be done; but that it would also be possible for McKee to submit the coTpleted material to Curtiss before the August meeting. In view of the fact that it had already been reviewed by the Planning Board and subjected to Public Hearing, Mir. Curtiss could then stamp approval personally. No written communications had been received on the subdivision; no one was present to speak at the hearing. Hearing closed at 8:42 p.m. Minor Subdivision -- Mrs, Kenneth Post, Ellis Hollow Road: Prelimina.ry Presentation This subdivision comprises the portion of her home property on South (uphill) side of Ellis Hollow Road directly across from the Post residence, and running from fjiay property at Genung Road, Westward to the Llenroc la d on Quarry Road. Mrs. Post presented copies of a drawing taken from a survey Carl Carl Crandall several years ago, the dracfi.ng is approximately accurate. Mrs. Post stated that she had talked with the Health Department about a sub- division, and quoted from a Health Department letter of instruction. Mrs, Post had been conducting incidental sales of lots from her property.for some years prior to %bdivision Control, outlined as follows: First sold to Oliver Jones, Jr. 160' frontage X 225' depth (from center of road); Jones built residence on this. Next a Mr. Brel.lock purchased 200' X 225', not as yet built upon. Dr. Kenney built on a 225' X 225' lot, also purchased an additional lot of identical size directly behind, r`r. Elwood Glover purchased ( and was then building upon) 200' X 225' lot, but becaiise of pcor drainage. (over 45 minutes) the Health Department required 75,000 square feet (250' X 3001 + 10 %, total area 75,000 so. ft.). Mr. Glover therefore purchased another 2251 depth, and N -r. Jones purchased an additional triangular plot shown. Mr. Brellock also purchased an additional small portion to the East of his lot in order to satisfy the Health Department. The remaining frontage property showed numbers 1 (225), 2 (225'), 3 (2001)9 4 (2001) and 5 (2001)t plus a 60 -foot access strip to backland. Mrs. Post had asked Health Department whether they would accept a 200' frontage if the total acreage was maintained, they replied that they would consider each lot on its own merits. The Planning Board discussed the situation and recommended that Mrs. Post apply fro approval for her Lots 1 and 5, and that she request approval from the Health Department for those lots and forward same to Planning Board, at which time Planning Poard approval could be stamped on four cooies. (Planning Board also indicated willingness to "swap" lots and /or entertain a reouest for a different designation of lots up to two, for a minor subdivision. It was pointed out that as soon as 1�rs. Post were ready to sell a third lot, this would become a Major Subdivision.) Mrs. Post indicated that she would prefer to hold up further should have_a buyer, as long as her preliminary plans for lots 1 the Planning Board's approval, When she had a buyer, she stated, to the Health Department and would forward her information to the for formal approvals a action until she and 5 met with she would apply Planning Board � Y ~f" Dryden To ,= Planning Board -4- June 20, 1968 Zoning I:r. Curtiss announced a very important joint To: :m Board - Planning Board work meeting in executive session Tuesday, June 25 at 7:30 p.m. to review and criticize the zoning ordinance draft. All Planning Board members indicated willingness to attend June 25 meeting if at all possible, and all indicated full willingness to work together constructively with the Torm Board to resolve present difficulties inherent in the draft, in order to reach a mutually desired goal on intent and workability. (NOTE: PlanningBoard also met to work on zoning - ordinance revisions on June 27 -- no rdnutbs. ) Future Meetincps June 25, 7:30,p.m. (See above) June 27, 7:00 p.m. (See above) No regular Planning Board meeting for July because of out- of -totm vacations. August regular Planning Board meeting to be announced,t'� Respectfully, Virginia H. Hardesty (Yrs. L. B.) Secretary to the Planning Board