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HomeMy WebLinkAboutMN-BZA-1970-04-06 BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, CITY OF ITHACA, CITY HALL, APRIL 6th, 1970 PRESENT: JOHN BENTKOWSKI, Acting Chairman BEVERLY MARTIN RALPH P. BALDIKI DONALD LUCENTE JAMS RO3AN GLENN BORA, Acting Building Commissioner & Secretary THE CHAIR: Opens meeting, informing appellants that with only five members present and voting, four affirmative votes are necessary to carry a motion, and that any appellant may have the option to withdraw appeal until full Board is present. THE CHAIR: The first case is Appeal No. 832, the Appeal of Robert and Ruth Raimon, 321 Mitchell Street, Ithaca, New York, for an exception to requirements minimum lot size and percentage of lot coverage for an addition under provision of Section 7, Columns 7917.9 in an R-1 distriojt. WALTER J. WIGG7NS: Ply name is Walter Wiggins, representing Mr. and Mrs. Robert Raimon in this appeal. Mr. Chairman, ladies and gentlemen, very briefly, this appeal was brought about by an accident which occurred on December 11th, 1969. Mr. Raimon was the operator of an automobile involved in this accident and as a result is paralyzed from below the shoulders. Their request is to make certain additions to their residence to enable him to move in and about the residence, to use this residence in a way in which it can not be used noir. This calls for a garage, which would per- mit doors to open so that he can be removed from an auto- mobile to a wheel chair, also to enlarge the bathroom to enable him to move about, and to enlarge the kitchen for his special needs by reason of his paralysis. I call Mrs. Raimon, and I will then call Doctor Barol to testify as to Mr. Raimon's physioal condition, and the architect to tell you about the proposed plans. RUTH RAIMOK, having first been duly sworn, answered as follows: BY MR. WIGGINS: Q. What is your name? A. Ruth Raimon. Q. Are you the wife of Robert Raimon? �.. A. Yes. �-' Q. Do you own a residence in the City of Ithaca? A. Yes. Q. Where is that residence? A. At 321 Mitchell Street. Q. On December 11th, 1969 was your husband involved in an accident which resulted in paralysis? A. That is true. Q. DId your residence become inaccessible to his daily needs? A. Yes, it would be impossible for him to enter the residence. At this time he is hospitalized; he has been since December 11th and it is likely that he will be hospitalized into the summer and possibly until the end of the summer. Q. What is the problem with the present garage? A. There is no garage at present, and because of the weather in Ithaca it is impossible for him to move in and out of the house because of not having a covered garage. His moving around when he is out of the hospital will be like using a grocery cart. The car is presently parked up Mitchell Street. We wish him to learn to operate the wheel chair from a garage directly into the kitchen and then to be able to manipulate the wheel chair around the kitchen. Q. How about the bathroom? A. The wheel chair will not fit through the door of the bathroom, which is very small and we will have to have some larger facility to be moved into a bathroom. It means removing things within the kitchen in order to move through that room as well, and this is all part of the plan for him to function on the first floor. Q. All these changes have been planned to accommodate the needs of your husband? Because of his physical condition? A. Yes. MR. LUCENTS: Where will the garage be? A. From the front of our house out towards Mitchell Street. There is no way to have it at the side. Mr. Wiggins shows plans to Board, Exhibits 1,20 and 4 having been previously marked for identification DR. BALDINI: Your husband is paralyzed. Does he have the use of his hands? A. Yes, he is paralyzed from below the shoulders. LAWRENCE HOFFMAN, being duly sworn, answered as follows: BY MR. WIGGINS: `.. Q. What is your name and what is your profession? A. Lawrence Hoffman, and I an an architect. Q. Have you had occasion to work on certain plans for the Raimon residence? A. Yes. -3- Q. Will you briefly describe for the Board the nature of the construction requested? A. The addition consists mainly of a garage, bathroom and extension of the kitchen. All additions are being made in such a way as to facilitate the movement of the wheel chair through the rooms, all on the same level. Q. Have you designed these additions in keeping with the architecture in the neighborhood? A. Yes, an addition was added in 1960 and this will be done in the same way. MR. LUCENTE: Will this necessitate a new curb cut? A. Yes. BY MRS. RAIMON: Isabel Rollins uses the present curb out as half of it is hers. MR. HOFFMAN: There is no parking along Mitchell street. SAMUEL BAROL, having first been duly sworn, answered as follows: BY MR. WIGGINS: Q. Will you give your name and occupation or profession? A. Samuel Barol, physician. Q. Are you acquainted with the petitioner, Robert Raimon? A. Yes, Q. Have you had occasion to treat him since the accident of December, 1969? A. I have. Q. Will you briefly state the present condition of his health? A. Mr. Raison is paralyzed from below the level of the shoulders. He has the use of his arms and hands and upper trunk muscles, and there is no use of the lower body whatsoever. At the moment he is in the process of physical rehabilitation; he is now at the Upstate Medical Center Unit. Right now he is capable of transferring himself from his bed to a wheel chair and can sit several hours a day in a chair. He is not capable of ambulating at all, has not been instructed in the use of crutches or braces, and whether or not he will be able to use them is a question at this time. At the moment he can use only the upper part of his body and he could move about in a wheel chair and maneuver a wheel chair. MR. WIGGINS: Introduce in evidence Exhibit 1, a series of signatures of neighbors who support the petition, and two letters also �.. supporting the petition. Petitioner rests. THE CHAIR: Is there arW one to speak in favor? None. Is there any one to speak in opposition? None. -4- THE CHAIR: Next is Case No. 864, the Appeal of Gulf Oil Company, 1001 North Clinton Street, Syracuse, New York, for a special permit to erect sign at Southeast corner of State and Corn Streets, Ithaca, New York, under provision of Section 79 Column 4, in a B-2 district. Who is representing? STEWART PELTON: I am a representative of the Gulf Oil Corporation. Some months ago we came before you twice for a variance, which you were gracious enough to give us; the sign on the corner to identify the property was on the construction prints which you have been given previously. We are asking now to erect the sign at the corner, and we were not aware that we would have to appear again. This is our standard identification sign, the smallest one we mice, and this would be located at the corner. MR. BODA: Locationwise it was or is okay. We are after the size. 25 feet is permitted and they are asking 50. MR, PELTCN: It is the smallest one we have and the shortest. It is the same size as others in the City. I do not have a print with me at the time. MR. BODk: The location is okay. It is just a matter of size. MR. LUCENTE: Is it revolving? A. Yes, it is. MR. BODk: The type is permitted. DR. BLLDINI: Is it illuminated? A. Internally only. This is the only sign we will have. There is just the name on the building - GULF - which is not illu- minated. This we are asking for is fluorescently lit from within the sign. THE CHAIR: Is there any one here who wishes to speak in favor? None. Any one who wishes to, speak in opposition? None. THE CHAIR: The next case is No. 867, the appeal of Cutting Motors, Incorporated, 315 Elmira Road, Ithaca, New York, for a special permit to erect sign under provision of Section 7, Column 4, in a B-4 district. Who is here to represent Cutting Motors? RICHARD T. CUNNINGHAM, Assistant Secretary of Cutting Motors, Incorporated. We are here asking for a special permit to erect a sign under the provisions of Section 79, Column 40 in a B-4 district. I understand that the provisions are that it is not to exceed 250 square feet. We have 128 square feet at present and this will be 85 'square feet, so the total will be within the limits. MR. LUCENTE: Where, is the sign going? A. Cn the front of the property and it is a erected sign. Oa the front edge of the property. Q. How far from the edge of the road? Where is it going? A. It will be just beyond the canopy - between that and the end of the road - I would guess 50 feet. MR. BODA: There is no requirement on the setback in a B-4 district. On the other side of the road there would be. A. We have a long canopy and "Cutting Motors" is spelled out below it. It is all attached to a canopy. THE CHAIR: Is there any one who wishes to speak in favor? None. Is there any one who wishes to speak in opposttion? None. -6- THE CHAIR: The next case is Number 868, the Appeal of Italia Sosti, 207 West Court Street, Ithaca, New York, for an exception to requirement of percentage of lot coverage and rear yard dimension under provision Section 7, Columns 11 and 16 in an R-3 district. LEO J. GANGL: I am Leo Gangl, representing appellant as her attorney. This concerns a building variance in that the existing porch, 7 by 10 feet, is to be enlarged to 10 by 26 feet, the fall, width of the house. The porch is at the .rear of the premises at 207 West Court Street, occupied by Italia Sosti as her home. I would like to say that she is about eighty years old. She sold her previous place back in January of this year and finds it difficult to climb up the stairs. She uses a cane to walk, is able to see little as she has very poor eyesight, and she wants to be in a home where everything is on one floor. The things she needs for most of her living purposes must be downstairs, and after moving her things in, all the stuff she has and wants to use, she finds it a little too small. She wants this porch enlarged to give her more storage. If this is permitted, the distance tp the rear of the lot line would be 9 feet. With an extension this would extend backward three more feet but it would go the full Width of the house, 26 feet wide. The lot is 32 feet wide. Downstairs there is a small bedroom and she could thus use a small pantry area. She is not here tonight because she can not get around that much. She does go to church. I have known her for many years and I think this would alleviate a situation which she finds herself in at this point. The question-faight arise "Why didn't she buy something bigger?". At any rate, this is the situation she finds herself in and she is an elderly person and because of her hardship, we do ask for the variance. She will be using this for storage of excess furniture. She has no children, no family at all. This will not block any windows nor obstruct the view of any adjoining houses. THE CHAIR: Is there any oen who wishes to speak in favor of this? None. Is there-any one who wishes to speak in opposition? None. -7- THE CHAIR: The next case is Number 872, the Appeal of James and Naomi Graves, 121 Elm Street, Ithaca, New York, for an exception to requirement of Section 7, Column 129 at 614 West State Street, in a B-4 district. Who is appearing? WILLIAM P. SULLIVAN, Junior: Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Chairman, I am William Sullivan attorney for James Graves and Naomi Graves in this appeal. Basically, the appeal involves a request for an exception to that provision of the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Ithaca which mandates a 10 foot front yard at 614 West State Street. We are requesting an exception to erect an addition, 10 by 21.9 feet more or less. There are a number of reasons for this request, and I would prefer to let Mr. Graves tell you about this rather than myself. I would call James Graves, Appellant's Exhibits 1 through 17 marked for identification JAMES R. GRAVES, being duly sworn, answered as follows: BY MR. SULLIVAN: Q. What is your home address? A. 121 Elm Street. Q. Are you the same James R. Graves who submitted Appeal No. 872? A. That is right. Q. And those papers were sworn to on March 19th, 1970? A. Yes, about that time. MR. SULLIVAN: I call the Board's attention to the fact that the appeal itself was not dated and would request at this time that it be dated March 19th, 1970. That is the same date the petition was sworn to. Q. Are you the owner of property located at, 614 West State Street? A. I an. Q. What is its present use? A. It is presently a barber shop plus two apartments and four garages in the back. The apartments are on the first and second floors and the barber shop is located in the front of the building. Q. For how long has this been a barber shop? A. It's my 42nd year so probably since 1912-1915. I purchased it in 1938. Q. I show you Exhibit 10 for identification and ask what that shows? A. That is in the years 1912 to 1915, the present barber shop, the owner. Q. I show you Exhibit 11 for identification and ask what that shows? A. That is the exterior about 1915 with mW uncle in front of it, Ralph Perry. -8- I show you Exhibit 12 and ask what that shows? A. It is about the same time, the interior of the barber shop and rW uncle in the second chair. Q. I show you Exhibit 13 and ask what that shows? A. The interior of the barber shop and I am in the last chair, about fifteen years old. Q. I show you Exhibit 14 and what does that show? A. The same barber shop in 1937 or 1938, thereabouts, when I changed the exterior. Q. Do these two pictures indicate the front of the barber shop? A. That is as it was then and is now. Q. I show you Exhibit 15 and ask what that is? A. The same, the exterior of the barber shop, 1938 to 1956. Q. I show you Exhibit 16 and ask what that shows? A. When I re-modelled the shop. This was done in 1956 and pictured there are Myself and Floyd Bailey. Q. I show you Exhibit and ask what that shows? A. The exterior of the shop as re-modelled in 1956. That is just the barber shop. MR. SULLIVAN: Offer Exhibits 12 through 17 into evidence. THE CHAIR: Received. Q. What is the nature of your request, Mr. Graves? A. They want me to build back 10 feet from the sidewalk. Q. Is it your understanding that the Zoning Ordinance would require you to build this addition 10 feet in back of the existing structure? A. That's right. Q. Is it your purpose to build this, the front to extend in the straight line? A. Not exactly, only back about 14 inches to give it a modern appearance. Q. I show you Exhibit 1 for identification and ask you to identify that in a general way. A. It is the property at 614 West State Street. Q. Does it show the existing structure? A. It does. The existing structure is right on State Street. Q. Exhibit 1 is the same thing except in color as the picture you have attached to the petition as Exhibit A. Could you indicate on Exhibit 1 which direction north is? `. A. To the rear of the property at the top of the exhibit (marks with arrow) Q. Would you indicate where Meadow Street would be? A. To the east, to the right. Q. And Fulton Street? A. To the left, to the west. `� -9- Q, The block is bounded by Meadow Street, Court Street and Fulton Street. Where is this property? A. At the center of the block, on the north side. Q. Does your proposed addition appear on Exhibit 1? A. It does, with a broken line in color. Q. Do you recall making measurements for purposes of preparing this exhibit? A. Yes. Q. How were these measurements made? A. On the front was by tape and there is a pipe on the west side and it was from this point of the pipe over 43 feet. Q. How does it appear on Exhibit I? A. As a red dot on this plan. MR. SULLIVAN: Offer Exhibit 1 in evidence. THE CHAIR: Received. Q. Approximately how far back will your proposed addition go? A. 21.9 feet to the north. Q. Up to the stairs which appear now? A. Yes, an existing set of concrete stairs which lead into the downstairs apartment into a hall in the living room area. Q. This is approximately 10 by 22 feet? A. Right. Q. About what square footage? A. 220 square feet approximately. Q. What do you plan to do with this addition? A. To move the barber shop into the new area here. Originally this at one time was a four-chair shop and now is a one-chair shop. I am working alone. My purpose here is to build this addition on, put my barber shop into the new addition, and in doing so, I have to comply with cer- tain state laws governing barber shops, both facilities, the waiting area, and around the chair I have to have three feet to be able to work in all directions around it. Q. Do you have any estimate as to how big an area you need? A. We can Just squeeze by with ten feet. Q. So you need approximately 220 square feet? A. That is correct. Q. When you mention '*State Laws" are you including the rules and regulations of the Secretary of State prowalgated-for barber shops? �.. A. Yes, as well as the law itself. -10- V Q. With respect to the Zoning Ordinance is there any reason whir you can not set this building 10 feet to the rear? A. If I wove it back 10 feet I block off the entrance to the living room area and two windows adjacent to the north to the steps, and if I put a new entrance in I an taking it right into the bedroom. Q. On Exhibit 1 in evidence is It indicated approximately where 31.9 inches would bring the addition? A. Yes, it looks lips just about even with the back window. Q. Have you had any conversations with any neighbors concerning a setback of this proposed addition? A. Yes, quite a few. They volunteered and no one is opposed to it. As a matter of fact, quite a few wanted to come in and speak for it. Q. Did you'make a mailing concerning it to the neighbors? A. I did. Q. Did the affidavit of mailing which was submitted prior to this time include all the names and addresses? A. Yes, within a 200 foot area of any part of my lot. Q. How did you obtain these names and addresses? A. Mr. Boda helped me and also Mr. Calistri. Q. After these letters were mailed did you receive any replies from these letters concerning this or conversations with your neighbors? A. Yes, within a day or so I got phone calls and people stopped in to ask if they could help. Q. I show you Exhibits 2 through 8 and ask what they are? A. Exhibit 2 is from the High Speed Check Weighers; 3 is a letter from John Clynes; 4 a letter from Rocco Church; 5 a letter from Louis Fabi; 6 from Robert Cullen of Cullen Associates; 7 from DeLaurientiis on Meadow Street; and 8 from Ann Solan. MR, SULLIVAN: Offer Exhibits 2 through 8 into evidence. THE CHAIR: Received. Q. If this requested exception is granted. will there be any change to the character of the neighborhood? A. Not to my knowledge; I would hope to improve it. Q. For how long has the building existed there in its present location approximately? A. About 60 years; at least 60 years. Q. What do you propose to construct the proposed addition out of? A. Brick and siding, to correspond. The building itself now is in red aluminum siding and this would be finished in front with brick and then use the red siding. Q. I show you Exhibit 9 and ask if that is a drawing of the building with the proposed addition? A. It is. -ll- MR. SULLIVAN: Offer 9 into evidence. THE CHAIR: Received, Q. Have you made any survey with respect to existing buildings in the 600 block of West State Street? A. Yes, just by sight. Q. Approximately how many buildings are there? A. Fifteen - fourteen. Q. Of these how many appear to comply with the front yard requirement of the Zoning Ordinance of the City of Ithaca? A. No. 6 Fire Station and the gas station on the southwest corner. Q. The fire station is located at the most end of the 600 block of West State Street? A. Yes. Q. What gas station are you referring to? A. The Atlantic at State and Meadow. Q. If the requested exception is granted would you have any blacktop driveway left at the east of your structure? A. Yes, approximately 8 feet of the present black top but I have 1 foot 9 inches of land on the east side. Q. Have you had any conversati on with Rocco Church regarding a driveway? A. Yes, Mr. Church told no if we find this a little difficult to get into we can use the additional blacktop he has now. MR. SULLIVAN reads letter from Rocco Church. MR, SULLIVAN: With respect to the lot size I do not think we have any problems at all but we could give you the measurements. Q. Have you made any investigation as to the cost of such a proposed addition? A. Yes, an educated guess. Q. What is your expectation? A. I am hoping for in the neighborhood of $6,000. MR. ROGAN: What happens? Are the three barbers going to stay there? A. No, the barber shop will move into the new addition and the printing shop will move into the barber shop. Q. When was the other addition built? A. I guess 1956. Q. Are you talking about the front of the barber shop? �.. A. I an just talking about the front. It was re-built and we had to rip out everything. The sides of the proposed addition would be aluminum siding. THE CHAIR: Is there any one who wishes to speak in favor? None. Is there any one who wishes to speak in opposition? None. MR. SULLIVAN: I personally have checked with Fire Chi:-Of Weaver and he has indicated that he sees no problem with the .proposed addition. HR. SULLIVAN: Offer all exhibits into evidence. THE CHAIR: Received. -13- THE CHAIR: The next case is Number 873, the Appeal of Thomas Parker, R. D. #2, Marathon, New York, for a special permit, ADD apartments under provision Section 7, Column 2, at 104 Crescent Place In an R-2 district. Who is appearing? THOMAS PARKER: I am here for this case. Appellant's Exhibit 1 marked for identification, consisting of three sheets, being plan of Townhouse type units, at 104 Crescent Place. The lot size is large enough to qualify for this district. These are basically what I propose to do. DR. BALDINI: Is this on the north side of Crescent Place? A. Right in back of the house that faces on Hudson Street. Actually this is the back yard of the two houses that front on Hudson Street. MR. LUCENTE: Of the same type of construction? A. The same as on James Street, the same basic concept, but more masonry in the ones on James Street. MR. ROGAN: Where in relation is the railroad track? A. The east boundary is the railroad right of way. DR. BALDINI: How far along Crescent Place does your property run? A. About 240 plus feet. Q. How high will they be? A. Three stories above grade at the rear and two at the front. It would be like a two-story house in front. MR. LUCENTE: Would it block their view? A. I do not think so. These would be lower than the street. DR. BALDINI: The front of the houses would be two stories above grade and three stories above grade at the rear because it would be going down? A. Right. Q. How long is the building? A. Really two buildings, approximately 72 feet 10 inches long, each building. Q. What is the distance between buildings? A. Five feet. These walls would be sheets of masonry for fire protection between the two buildings, five feet apart. THE CHAIR: Have you cleared with the Fire Commissioner if there is enough clearance between the buildings? A. Not with him but I checked with the Building Commissioner and he called me back that it was five feet as long as it is masonry. -14- �-' DR. BALDINI: The driveway would be to the east of the building? A. Correct. Q. How many parking places will you be providing per living unit? A. Two, one inside and one outside. Q. None of your tenants are expected to use the street for parking? A. No, unless they have more than two cars and I would have little way to control that. Q. How many bedroom units are you building? A. Three bedroom units. Q. So it is conceivable there could be three cars per apartment? A. I suppose so. We have 37 units on James and Giles and Charles and haven't had any trouble with parking. Q. If three individuals rented one of your units and each had a car, one would have to park on the street. Would it be possible. to park outside? Would you have room for eight additional cars? A. Yes, they could do it. Q. Twenty-four cars instead of sixteen. Would there be enough room► in the land down below for twenty-four cars? A. Yes. Q. It seems there is sufficient space. I doubt, however, that you will rent each unit to three individuals and that each would have a car. But I think it would be better for all concerned to know. A. lir original plan had most of the area behind the apartments at the lowest grade level for parking. In the future it could be developed as parking. THE CHAIR: Are you the owner or contractor? A. Both. MR. ROGAN: How close to the back lot lines of the houses on Hudson St? A. Twenty-five feet. It must be forty or fifty feet from the rear of the houses to the lot line. THE CHAIR: Are these homes pre-fabs? A. Barden Homes. MR. LUCENTE: The only egress is from Crescent Place? A. Yes, THE CHAIR: Is there any one to speak in favor? None. Is there any one to speak in opposition? None. -15- THADDEUS MALINOWSKI: I live at 517 Hudson Street. I am not in opposition. How much fill will you come up with in your back yard? A. Not much. I an going to excavate the basessrt but not change the grade greatly. Q. You said two stories on Crescent Place and three behind that? A. Right. Q. How high would that be approximately? A. 28 - 29 feet from the back. MR. LUCENTE; What about the drainage problem in the back? A. It would flow to the railroad tracks and Herbert Cummings owns a vacant lot in back of the property. THE CHAIR: How about landscaping? A. We will plant the land and there are already trees at the rear and we will plant more. Q. This is in compliance with the ADD requirements? A. Yes. DR, BALDINI: What is the setback from the sidewalk? A. There is no sidewalk but we plan to set it back 25 feet from the street line. MR. MALINOWSKI: I am not against a lot of this but if you do not erect a fence you are going to have a short out for children, es- pecially going to school, right through the back yards. I would like some provision. You say they won't use it as a walkway. Y#r back property adjoins. MRS. ROBERT FINCH, 519 Hudson Street: How much space between your structure and mine? A. I do not know precisely but I think it is 75 feet from building to building. Q. Are you aware of the job, a rather dangerous jag? A. Yes, I an aware. Q. Two buildings and how many apartments in each building? A. Four, a total of eight apartments. MRS. FINCH: I would like to stress the point Mr. Malinowski made, and I would not appreciate a whole bunch of kids going across to school. It depends whether you want a fence there and how y big it is. I think it would have to be reserved until after we see where the traffic goes. We were to put a barricade up on James Street but the cars could not go through. A. Yes, we can put up a board fence or something. MR. MALINOWSKI: It could be a mesh fence, I think. A. I would be glad to cooperate. THE CHAIR: I believe there are no further questions. �.. EXECUTIVE SESSION, BOARD OF ZONING APPEALS, CITY OF ITHACA APRIL 6th, 1970 CASE NO. 832: BALDINI: Move that the application be granted because of the extreme hardship. This Board was not created to hinder but to help. BENTKOWSKI: Second. VOTE: Yes - 5 No - 0 r w w • • w .. w r r w w w w w w w • • • • • • • • w w • r r r r CASE NO. 864: BALDINI: Move that the application be granted. LUCENTE: Second. VOTE: Yes - 5 No - 0 w • • w w w w w w w • w w w • • r w r • • r .� w w r w w • w w w w CASE N®. 867: BALDINI: Move that this be put ever for decision with the request that Mr. Cutting appear and give us more information before we act on this appeal. MARTIN: Second. VOTE: By show of hands - Unanimous w w w • • .. • w r w • • r w w r w r r r • w w w w w r .� r • w a w CASE NO. 868: BALDINI: Move that the application be granted. MARTIN: Second. VOTE: Yes - 3 No - 2 • - w • w • w w w w w • w w w w w .. w - r w .. w w w r w • w w w CASE NO. 872: ` BALDINI: Move that the application be granted if the 10 ft. set back were requested, the building would block an existing entrance and two win- dows; that the building allows sufficient access for fire vehicles to get to rear of structure. LUCENTE: Second. VOTE: Yes - 5 No - 0 u CASE N4. 8?3: ROGAN: Move that the application be granted vdith the provision that a buffer zone fence be established between the ADD development and adjoining property on Hudson Street and that there should be no on-street parking by tenants on Crescent Place. BENTKOWSKI: Second. VOTE: Yes - 5 No - 0