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In the Mattes of Appeal doe. 664,
dated Janum S, 19"t location
of Propertyt 405 North Aurora
k rest, Owner, Hercedoo Undet.
Requesting Variance to Zoning
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Mit. G33!►TRN 1 t Lst us start with No. 6649 location at 405 North
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Aurora Street, requesting variance for use as beauty
shop and professional office in violation of 17,
Columns 1 and 2. Any aw to be board?
John Aleec nWor
102 B. UM Bt t i would litoa to speak for this. I an a local roalto r
with off loss at 102 Rest State Street, r•pr sentieS Mrs. Morcedes wrode, who
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ows this property at 40$ North Aurora Street and who is applying for relief
from section 71, Coluans land 2. She has contracted to sell to Noris Mobs
whose intent it is to put in a beauty shop end professional office an tb&
first floor and to remodel the second floor for an apartment. She is also
platwlaS to put In off-street parkiug in the back, which will accom Wate
B to 10 ears, and this will all be done according to the standards of the
City. The havdabip that Mrs. tdrede has is that the seecond floor has been
vacant for approximately one year now and it is not is rental condition righl.
now. She would have to put in so much sminey to rent it and does not haws to
available, funds. The first floor now is also vacant and in order to sake it
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reatablo she would have to do quite a bit of changing and alteration. Son
of the changes would be sae j+or ones, and the outside of the house in one spot
is starting to pull away frena the fwearan expensive repair. Also the
Musa needs ro-wiring, and %afortunstoly she is not in position to do this,
Mrs. noble vvetsuplates.fig off the frontph and in sts�tiee f ns
steps and a railing. She would also tear offa sell shack att:acW to the
back of the house. That- will be torn off and nothing will be replaced there
Mrs. Wtteds is not in a podtien'to do this. As far as other properties in
the area got there are three seal estate of fie" and three insurasncs offices
within ar block and a halt, plus a beauty parlor sevoss the road9 also a
aburch across the road, and a doctor's office neatt door.
MR,. ,!XAVU* Would the beauty shop be operated by hen daughter?
A. Right.
Q. Would Mrs. Roble have her offices there toot
A. A relative of bars.
Q. Would there be any dwelling secoaodatie sst
A. As sp►atrtmont upstairs.
DR. MUNI: What kind of professional office specifically is
contemplated?
A. A law off ice.
MR. .C"IMM to there anybody bore to speak against?
WKS 1 live at 549 Lake Street and t an here because i
nee Vice Chairman of the Board of Trustees of St. Paul's
M. S. Churok. At our last emoting we passed a
resolution$ unanimously disapproving the relief of
the Zoning Ordinance for property located at 445
North Aurora Street. The people on the Board felt
they would like to see that comity stay soars or
less like it Is and not bveaee sore comme ial sed,
and not be spot seoned. They would like to see the
business section kept where it is.
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Dennis ailiisms
121111 TiM !treed I share the saw viewpoint. I have bass a
Sostb Tioga Street resident for twelve years and have
witnessed the rapid encreachiment of the arra by busies
news, and this is happening from uptown down, and
getting awfully close to bosia. I object as a neighbo
and resident living a few blocks away.
ft".r 'l1. .t I will reiterate whatever has been said as
to this being a getter of spot *ming. Milo we have
a !bard, we all realise, to mate *veeptions, we fool
this action should be a rarer case. We Would Ilk* to
sale, "What about the rest of the people?". Perhaps
the entire are& should be rioted corwsraial, or at
least find out if we need a larger coimmarcial area.
Do we really need more or not? The foard was not in
favor of having a spot soning, even if it was for
just this one *tape and the bard was umnimus.
a,M.IM I as Mike Riggs, 309 north Aurors Strost.
and I agree with Mrs. Osborn. i personally have no
objection to the whole area being re•sonsd, but I do
not believe in spot zoning. It is my feeling that if
a soning change is good for one person it is good for *11
the root In that area.
J ft AllgBft: Well, this to only *bout 120 feet from the
B-1 area, which is business, which is &ares* Court
Street. I do not know if I an right or noto but does
this really amount to spat some&?
Demi* W'illiamst As I understand, this residence will not be
wool by the occupants?
obu1.AA1 ,le+lhtri It would be used by the relatives of the
owner. On the second floor it would be residential,
but not actually occupied by the owner.
Wil. CIIAIRs Any further questions?
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P semi to tbere anything that would prevents the proelees from
bola# used if some Dere wonted to havo it strictly fof
living purposes?
.Wo, AlAinftfte We have shown this property since last July epproxihsts y
fifteen times sad we are just not able to *me up with
a buyer qualified to buy, mad we were not able to can
up with a buyer who was willing to pay wbts ehe had to
hove out of the property. Ws. Noble to the first
qualified buyer that we be" own up with. Wo hew
shawa this property for a single residents and for a
two-fowi ly residence but so one could pay the prion ,to
cover mortgage and other expenses, that it just could
not be Okmo. This buyer, Mrs. Nobles is qualified to
go ahead and do this work. FineMOSS4 is approved on it.
. Pianos Do you know wham the present awes purchased the prowl aY
A. so.
-or, WOO-$$ This property has been sued up until a year ado?
A. The first floor, yes, and the second up until two
mouths ago.
fto,. kll The second floor would be cure apartment?
A. It would still reaosin one.
. : 2 would like to read into the record the letter of
Victor A. Laser. 211 Suet Court Street.
(Letter read by lis. Chairman)
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In the Matter of Appeal No. "50
dated January l l s 19"s by A. L.
Bull, of $02 W. SWAM re et$
Lsoat Ion of Property 1 104 Vast
;Nuts Street through Lot 1-11
Section T, Col. 12 A 151 asking
boaption to foals grdi e
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s ' = The mat case is Me. b65, 704 Wast State sty est,
vequestiae# fteeption.
,,, a J.,,+,�l,mfts_„ I repwosent tba petitioner and the Tompkins County
Trust Company so for the record l Weald like to bm
two Witnesses moral A. F. Bull rood vi Ilion Buri""
ropreseanttaS the flank. And airs for the rsoord, I
vould like this copy of the plant and specifitotions
to be narked.
Albert Y. Bull aW William N. llu=w sworn by Reporter
OW Rotary Public, Liitiaa Us Keown
Wit"Irmll MIMI. l wftoo tar i-OMMIUMUMP
being copy of plans ared spscif i teat i onss consi st inp
of two documents.
ALWV L. NULL, having ftrot been duly saoxn,
annrerered as follows
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Q. You aero presidents of the S02 rest l tca St>rset Corporation?
A. I ase.
Q. I show you Petitioner's 1xhibit 1, marked for 16Ktificatiens MW-!aesk if
thecae &art the plane and specifications which ars the subject matter of
this appeal?
A. They aro.
Q, It is In reference to the Seneca Street area which is outlined in dark
ink which we ars concerned with today?
A. It its
US purpose of this bearing is to obtain vo l itf s appealing IV" the 10
foot setback on Smoses Street?
A. Rights
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Q. Mr. Null, do you ova all the property to the north of Someca Street s
#bow b►erasn?
x dre.
Q. no you also om srA operate the property directly across Seneca sptroot
to the north?
A. Yes.
t . Also ctft the Drirylom recently constructed, t"beoyhound flus Terminal and
the building boueisg Colonel Wider: Chicken?
A. Twat is trust.
Q. Be" you received any objection to the proposed location of this Bramb
Bank in this or"?
A. Name.
Q. Do you knows of your own kmwledge other buildings in the area tits[ do Oft
have this lm Soot setback?
A. Prscrtically none have, Including the throe jest sectioned.
go from of` your own knowr~ladge knew the distance between the proposed aorto
part of your building and the actual curb is Seneoa Street?
A, A little sore than 12 foot to that curb from the edge of the building.
Q. A car could pull up?
A. There is room for two cars to park between the north side of the building
end the street.
E. 1lisesver r What is nen there?
ire Clrrnesr A vacant lot, vacant land (iadiaatee on Brchibit 1).
The bust we aft idestify to 704 Vest state Stuart but
the lot ,loss yell the way through.
ams Bsldlsi: Nese of the throe new buildings you have built is the
area has • 14 foot setback • worse tbsse esaraptiens?
Hm come they were built that way?
A. None we" asked for.
ft, Ce a Men* wore required by the p ri or sdaisi rstrotl em.
ft. bill a M of the buildings are set an the line thores.
wi .�V-0 a-Wr 3 The aaly ose involved at the street°would be the deur
,l t Colonel Uvdera, but It to,over a block. Dir. gull its
w7.
also developer of the Super-mer Market, Colonel
Sanders is a building witbin a foot. The existing
building was about6 or 8 pack towards the street from
the present building. ?be front would be on Seems Stpwt
twilb.i.ZM R. SMS, Seving first boss duly saga►,
answered as followsn
CI, s Give your nus, addressy and capacity please?
A. William IL Burgs, 201 South Rill Terrace, famr President and Cboirai m
of the Board of the Tomkins County Trust Company and 1 am bora today
because the PmUdent is out of torte.
$. The plans that have been prosested to this !earth marked peetitiecaar's
16tchibit 1. how been app"ved as to specifications and locations an the
lot by tbo Banking Department of I the State of Now, York?
A. That Is right.
Q. If any change were made in the plans and specifications, it would be
quite a cuarbossosre procedure to go back through the Banking Departs t?
A, itigbt.
Q. Ito you know the number of square feet involved?
A. Approximstely 1.000 square, feet.
Q. You have consulted with other officers of the Sank and in your opinions
this is the smallest possible branch that would be feasible in this
locstion?
A. Yes, sir* it would be hard to got slang with a smaller area. If the
lobby &we* were curtailed it would cause congestion, as of courae the
Oroyhownd htrs Terminal is there.
Q. Do you know of your scut knowledge when bidding on this contract will
take plase4
A. February 22nd, I believo.
Q.
Is, consultation with the officers of the bank, tbore is no service of,
this bank facility that could be curtailed, and still carry out your
function on, this loctattoa?
A. Mono, at r.
.. Mur: '!Would It be d7riv*-In?
A. NO. -
Q. Whitt about parking?
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A. i believe 0s11 is providitag soars p&M*4 sad there
will be parking across where Atwater*s will be* we
could rset have a drive-in, because we would hove to
keep the pasty for the bus lisee, sed no parking
at the aemb.
.192 gamut, tit to the dimaws between this rest tbo north and
of the bus urminsl?
A.. Thers I& a specs on both sides.
It would be the samm a width as the dairy sterrre to
the South, and it is substantially the, some, 20 feet
between the dairy Steve and the bine teminal.
Der. &aldisi3 Of the son kind of brick?
A. Yon, except the connecting link.
lir. Ciseweas Hosed on the seoent development of the west end do
you feel that this facility is pessary to acre for
the people?
A. Yoss wo have a substantial business in the west mad.
„wDeldlait Now way people would be emloyod?
A. five to six.
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You will hove parking facilities?
A. We are in hopes of making axuafte range for panting
of all est rrees in this area to the south of gtate
duet. Ws will horse sirs thew evaatoally*
t.. .gDA2 a is tbo" any eere bare to speak Aft or against?
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No".
All Frights thank you, gentlemen.
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In the Vktterr of Appeal No. 666,
dated January 20, 1966; Luctoma
I MINE, of 114 Salcey manures Ithsoa,
for pmiseae at 502 Nast Covet
Streets requesting Yarimoe to
Seeing Cirdismse, Building peuaeit,
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I4R. CIIAI�tIM seat is case No. 6660 press nes at Sit West
Court Street. Mr. low is Inas and I believe be
wisboo to speak.
i„aeesi t lets► nasi Is Luciana Lem and I have the existing
building known as Say West Court Street. About
five years ago I cos before the 9tber Doard and
asked po rmi ssi on Oft,_:w office of insurance and
uses granted this permission with the understanding
this would hold to a five-year term. About a
math or two later i crane again to see if the fume
year licit could be waived and tboy told as it
would be all right* scud about two asnths age I
intended to add an g by 16 feat stmetwo# to give
move sgeee to pesple castag in. t made a malar
application and was ,grsated 'peraeissior► to build
this structure. Tbem I bad the idea to ask if I
could possibly use 6 additional inches,► which wall
ere here today. first, I Mve ;nr record of persis-
scion for yuan tinct: five years. Second* to our
position you ons not obtain this without the Howard
and that I e why I n here today. Por your morda
lot as s" 'you the letter of which I an to rake
s pboteeopy for the reseed of this preceeding.
Mr. Chairman reads the letters of A. J. Colder.
i14rr. jams I I realise that besides the regulations L could feet
obtain It because of business wee, and also the
distance from the street line to the point wbere
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the building would be extend". It we did so sbeaO w4
would be In violation of about 2 fast soy! maybe 6 . ;tti
Inahes„ so I as bore today 0,obUla thio, %Us
to the permit t obtained from the Building Gsaeis
siemer (indicating). We are soking for por+misoibh
to build &*other 128 square toot. The front door
of ouar off i as would be elmser by I feet somothiag
and that would be plus the Sh fast. We ars now
16 tort fraa the lot lino, and the new one would
bring us I feet 4 Inches, from the lot liege.
M. ►►er The,addi ti sn on the sow-side of the building ow .
is not ** ontire south sidaa'l Isa•t there a Jog?
K..ims Yes, but it tato nothing to do with the off Iso.
That is new a square roma* lb by 18 squorej, and
divided by 20 it is 8 by ld feet. In book of that
there is a ,deg but that belongo to the Apartment.
I have tolbod with the neighbors about this v*-
quest and 1 have amt this letter to *meth t di v i 1.
(Offers letter)
e 1s the building now within the limits allowed by
sa►in$?
r,. t It is, 7000 but this is new gust for the use.
lhr, heeireereett Any one for or against?
Bata..
I think ?fest to 011. Mr. Low.
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1a, the #srateit of Appeal No. 6"s
624" ftr ook !greet Sales end
Sstneosgss varianco and amaptiout
in Violation of so*. 76 Cols, It
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,W&Slum;; This Is Carrs per. 668, l000tiou rt .6" xwoock
8trset. 1s there any aw bsro to speak for or
agrinett
„r.,Vale ,4,0 1 1 an Mrs. Volve Jacksoas 612 RWAoeah Stlroot, acrd
' I as be" representing my mothers we. Shipp".
I h&V* 0 potitift wbieth I t"k around %bs asi;hr
borbood decd I got quite a few neighbors to sips
sad our xerraess being ---
There is no one ban today for the come. Awd so
we will have to publish, agaia. lbovo rill 4s no
nation, taken, OR It. It will be published spin it
they put in for another dau to be set.
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TA tbo lie"tor of Cas* go, "91,
Sector 11e14106 Corporation;
Spoo. Po"It AM
JkA e tal Ubled at tba last bssria$ vas the applieration
Of the motor Ralfto& Corpoaeatiou. It might be
useful* we thou ht. for,us to to tbrough this
quite briefly and answer sap questieas the MW
members of the Hoard night bays, if they be"
loeiered at the papers.
=, e; Tbay gust got the papers and they,ars not familiar
With this roettor.
Ms`Tea„lae Susi it was tibiad I was not notified there
would be a public bearing. I kwn with as throe
peeple from Now York City, who saw this after-
noon and 1 ales asked fir. Stall+ewaa to be bare.
I do not think the lawn rogWrea another pubtic
hearing, but I do not waut to inpea* m wishes on
the Board. Ws wwo not notified it was Solr4 to
be re quirod.
t t' have board **thi of this awed t do not knew
west you are talklaI about.
laftif: I tbougbt we could so through it.
NEW,"=I We discussed this briefly before this baaviag
and it was thought they could have the trseet"Ap►`
of viat took plow at the ori,pinal bearing and
foo lariss themselves with it.
I would like to add this. At the last bearing
V4 w>MAt into a lot Of ewcts'aosoUe matteirs, but this
Iowa beers Is whether or not wo will be pownitted to
A" thass units up there. Under the Am the
only thing validly ,raised at the otbor hearing
was the MUT onto Ile Rosset, "other or uet
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that was Via& to be seaee kind of basard. As t
told the Board at do last mo etioS„ we went through
with ars executive aretiaS of the Plammus >soetrd
sad us waet through the area. Tws Nol4orkor s
Mr. Stella m cad *a. Sordhoiamrr weave with w.
The Plaaniag Board them recomime Laded that this be
approved ae it met all the "quire is as to the
widened area end parking. At this point if it is
Sola& to be presented in the fashion you iadicatod
I wegld like Mr. $tallsr,n to iudidato bis fisedin&s
up tbers are& add that to the record.
*4 Mm hell, I as wwdfria& wWbo r we Ave to a position
to take further testiaeiay at thi time is this
matter. Depending up" what Oboing, tabled"' crews
Is the guest i en. I do not went ear to take test i-
eeeny on oomotblaS that would be iaprroper.
,Wr,,,,XMiAt, t do not disagree with you and if l had net bromok
three people up bias, I would go heave. I dislike
is put thew to the expense of +eadse& a&atep but
they would COM if necessary.
lwent up there to net time homarrd and t could not
figure out anything. Is there any *be** for yea
plow on the exit to Ela Street?
lir. llobia#rt Yesq we have checked that. It Sets Vesper as it
&+Dee down hector Street. For additional safetys
telt for this reason we could Siva uveae a little
space into eters` propoertyi which would be additional
lea&thoulal of the driveway out* so they would bre
about 35 feet is ebt ah to stop. The slope of Slat
Street at that point i s not carry &neat.
ihr.. 1»:hreire�aeres►t Gentlaarea, these to ao use of may further, discussion
unless theme is a public hearing. Tbsso Soktlmm
on the Board should beam the whole st vy.
Piss" let me low ae to a "to.
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AUnts BJP MUM VB i ', WARD Of ZW APPMUv TIMU It 149 It"
Previous to the Public Rosri»ag is the witblu ma;ttors, is tbo Offloo
of the Kalyonr, City of ttbaoa, Bona VOAry TAM Matter did OeNvems the full Board
and r"mast somileations for Chaivmm of tha Boasdd of isniag Appeal* for 18".
The saaa+rs of Joseph Conley was yroposod; the Soctotaty did pail :.fou
furtba+laar rnaanimatie"S now appeared; the gyratory was instructed to rust "ar
ballet# *Ottom Was made sand sman4ed; the 9wrstary did as oPdorod, and
doaelarad XV. Joseph Cssiory "Y OIOC sd Chal"Oft _ , %asd ofCot V49
Appaals for 1966.
At the conclusion of Puablic Voarft& the BemM of Suring Appeals considor+ed
in 3x*sUtiv Session as follows
.g1jima Ist us considor as to leo. 664.
�,11214l�,,t I Wan "ves with the Nftbaodist Xpi aoae,pal MUMb
o pleat spot soning, avos tbo<u$k 1 "If bard a riolaratioan, boat I can not agn
that the, area sbould not be, son" coaaweeraeial. I abould thiak that us should
r aha use of natural bouaadarles to limit coning. I Would be, lantant toward
se,aing anything and t took objestion to lir. Alexandars rasssks load fool he
Was +emmviog a broad or". In my to ed t an using the, o rook as a aatur al
barrier.
3 we have made that ~ areae tion to the Plan-
ning board and they do not bsllovt to it. Nbat tbaaey way is that the City has
ououO oammatteiaxl or wiff'iaale,at eowr m anial p aY ty tbawt tbaty do not seed to
Roo fuaartbrwr, but t do agros With ftotoar Baldisi that it is a tlatw*l for
sands$. lbay am make this +as!nv into doctord or dentists' offices. This has
+aea me up bolmm.
Rio MANLI 1 fort *a could deny It. tf she won living tbarm
it Would be diffe,rmt.
. yaasa srtaarI This should bo t+itiaraa by ballot.
r ' e Bbaouladr "t' ve beve saw reasons for our amaao"?
ldr. ►r l': otos, you hsys to $irre, ressoss.
21, WON t Whitt duareatee will the City heave that hire. Moble i
$0106 to do thaws things
lks IM hiartar: YOU have to Judge that bort 1 *euld t%$0"* that
460 right sell within a shot tuns and thus editions would not carry over
If we so specify. Suppose She wanted to rent to some ens besides bar husband
for s lace offiao.
., I havWt seen in ay am mind mooh bardahlp for that
praperty, man the fact that they have tried to sell to private oaeers who
would 0000py as a private bon fifteen times, to warrant s hardship.
at, Hal. I I do not think that is Oscar,fwe etionO to bail soft*
body out.
fib CMU$Mkl My motion is that it be denied for the reason it
dots not cam within the bmim oeoupation oste ►ry and also for that fact that
it would be a oboaps spot Baia$ of the arca* which, Vould brut it In a lh-f.
NO, IMI-1 Awy time toe Hoard granto a variance it is actually
spot mai* mad this is Opoolfle within the ordl a itself. ver* we
de hove sow vacant Indication that maybe the Aaw4 sbould amt lrava this. My
can feeling is that I would hha aloin with you that this should be debut
beasaw of the fact It is not to her hums ocoupstioul, and there is also mot
a dema"ttrable bordship or a volquesots of the situation ss compared to otba
property.
ago, jok Ids Are we for or against? We are qualifying our
approval.
MEs.& WI Not 1 as "ring 094 1"t.
Or. leldinl a Shouldn't we So first for approval or denial, and
than the reasons.
Mki s t am now saying why I as opposed to it.
. .L 9 He presented a motion to deny and be raised two
rumens. You would second hie motion except that you be" mother reaam
for denying, ss you are or a" sot willing to sward bis motion.
,hers,Chal s I fool we should talk ,its ourselves and than w6M
we pt to the point ,sierra thanes has #some► a ooush di sev esi ea, lot** veto on
a motion either to &oospt or reject. The reasons will hwe ,dome out in the
d#.ao ssiea, ties sue the* leave the reaaena out of the meatus.
ilii. ltrtI" I think vo should rate for or agaiast and than list
osmose
14r. Tt tEt I would be in favot except for OW beauty sbsp j, um»
leis AM lived tba'".
Mk,,. YM man The appliestleawas not made an the basis of been
+Crareaupstiw.
k._Awlist dbs vats s aaMWxvi*1 me of %kis-property•
�e I claim it doe$ not *ars writMa be" occupation.
In pansZoph No" it Bayo: 006"Posey PsVAoi0ole whieeb to custsmtrily carter
OR in a dwelling unit. 1 .aeuld say that this is net customary.
; ould say thsso are move to dwollinp.
tits_. skim Tbsy do not mention born oaswwaey bare.
le hula# thus+ we obould lemurs the reasons onto
Irkk. FULOW I tool we should oossider amoeis ourselves end than
veto an i t.
bMIA,i If We ttsSad should decide to deny this petition,
sane tt we seine to list the reasons?
s I taink we* should.
MW s Leat•s not just say we will deny I t.
...,Mf&"- k$ of motion to to deny *a Not 6d4.
DBMS $"*Rd this actino►.
V-,Uga0 To Donyw 5 yea$ 1 No.
IMUS It bas best mentioned that ++ort suffioctost Itutsbip
has been sbow►. This is the barns of dental.
And it does not came under sectl+s, 2 - des occupation.
a, e I tool that aero v4donot was submitted that tboue weve
special cireuteaetano" or Uniguae co dittoss wrbloh would Justify We.
. #taelstitet f Certainly these has not bass demonstrated a seabed for
asst tar beauty pension+ or shattbstr local office is this p amtio alar art# and I
would like to include the spot soultg.
..Ch"MMU This is bad became t Bove are times you are wing to
gdwre a varionoo In spot seeing and you netgbt 'bs settle$ off boor toarrwo but
it obould be dower weitb at"" justification.
M me We are the only body that am tattiate a choup Is
ttorwiilQtg
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Only within the c o uttext of tbo, Ordinance.
..AeLftLl Whom he says doctor** afficat Doctor Forester lives
there
as 1 foal tie is Oft Sufficient, ase of the properrty
.. i Got" to C#84 No. "S.
HUMS Wtioto that this be granted.
,Mb- d t Z 9001 I about# A40401117 wfs t-'f ft a041106 ix tUt
one. I do not bmw b&v you feel about its
91bu finklut no, da not do til t.
rz, hIAML, I think Mr. Mull deserfta a lot of oaedit for thin.
NO SOW to a lot of tr"bla. Us wood to be
pa re in 1"Ins" i ttrprnoutssr 404 they tried to
got the brick for btx4 cad be bad to got it at sws
plate VOVY "tat. I this k be has earriod tb
on this particular Was +Mad also, timm is the fad
that tbay p w obab ly wi 1 l have Scrod ,masa to the
ItsYm., " It *ill SO block traffic. It is two-vay on lfulton
} $tom* r
ww 184► I facttbS rlsantNS 3 to roo it dery it.
Would .that additteeal specs be r esttrietivo on soot
typed of opetratio w?
fir. 1 fir: I .atld VOMMU " it tbesot. Out of 2#000 •tom
teat they bsys In. Gawrelly spooklegs, air ow
uo44 be" to apply for 0%.
?YE.:, as Itat ow" to iein to be Motor and bvsiar all the
Ulm.
a, ISAUga Sawda #troot is 26 ffeet, but will proUbly
460stt aaeuS curve. tbst use rot fvnbw pointed
oat. OR the vest: side of the but 141%4 they bM
maintained a bumpor to bumper parking on the outs ft
Isms. Tboy are geiv4 to develop a lot is tbW* for
the uhele area for sbappers and erkployeas and peop
uha us* the school.
Its, m Could the area be Used praetl"lly +samrretally
for something elee?
Z think it would be out 40M.
INFA UA filar MI 11e dares hAwt an extreme Width wa night never aea
again.
Second the motion.
r. .tieavor: hor reasons of the migweess of the lot justifying
It.
TO g"w Yes 6
This," nue to NO, 666.
� ►.,„Yat Ma est This mae. bolds a building pexelt which was issued
in November and be said be wanted 6 inches and I
said all I wanted to knew was could he meet the 10
foot setback and be said he could not. I told his
he might be In a better position sad be has coopers.,
ted entirely and agreed to surrender his building
pewit rather than to embarrass anybody. Be is
going to be able to meet t feet d Inches. Ike pvo-
posal wovld obstruct visibility for east-bound
traffic on West Court Street. I feel you cam net
extend a ►-coafirmiag; was but I boven't a right t
out it in as a detriemast ,to the a&".
&A Does be have a variance now?
Y�� t Yes for use.
r rr ri
Mr., yfawat The board granted It five years ago and It is
continuous?
Van fttawl They said there was a limitation of five years when
they granted it.
Does that letter purport to "tend it?
gip!t Do you thing be would build as he says or do you
think be would insist upon this?
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"r. li r: tither be dessn't build at all or bits pormissioa.1
ilk, pfa,> r►s I would Ilk* iron! proof as to why be cannot do any-
thing else with it* 1k ob wed as a sk*tch and said
be wasted to add so many nags feet.
iir. ViEn Bert' Ar apparently can not extend bas s f leoar spews to tab*
r,.rri rfr.
*a" of his insurance business as the balance is
being as" for living purposes.
As I see it, be bras s building, gremd floor occu-
pied ads dwelling and his off ice, mooed floor encu-
pied as an aporteent. He wants to increase his spsa
for Marines downstairs st' the oxpsase of for groat.
I understand be can not increase the floor *peas
because of the structure.
is# , fit, He doesmOt show any hardship.
Dir. yar►_!Mal 0e boa sot tried to.
Mr._C hocks so is Increasing his busiwaas.
V'. ftLA ►i s Are bas to choeso between extending his beeriness or
not renting the *portent. He did not show us the
result of the letter.
ibc. Cbnisreare►t 'Nell, you have to notify everybody witbin 204 feet
of the property.
ft, i1,,�gk s Can we act ups on extension of a ewe-Oamformiug uss,
i1r..,..;M&-Nmt I would say ".
idbr. faa renters There is no place for it an the appealaad I can not
find it is the ordinance.
�r is I on vmW earing • If we #said* on it now, we out bin
Off?
A. ltisht.
If we tabled it maybe he could bring fusthwer inlor•
Motion in.
Mr. Cbsit ,t We can do tbot.
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mak: Z hate to boire • policy of eking this on, p to
Court boasues warm of them could not do it. It we
were to table it and continue for further- Worse-
ties and maybe sand kin a tatter that -in order to
gt an exception you have to shsw hardship.
'._Comsta+akt There hes bass no objection presented by tors City
iasefar as cutting off any view?
He wenats 2 toot 8 Inches. The )Plowing Board tools
that be still be made to comply with the 10 root
setback.
!!r. Co�tooict AWrently they do not raise a quamtion about Cwt
the jai eau?
MaM. fans 1 would vacuo that this be tabled and fit iato they
next regular mooting.
REV- AA .A
The notion would be to table this to the next regular
public heartng to be announced again.* for further
proof of hardship or umwausl circumstances.
pr. ,8eldie►i a fiord tt.
is,rl raw t +Mould notify his of how the notion roads sad isvit
his to the next public hearing.
Mac.. Ceeayeeets etas
Than any one can tow in for objeectionst.
Dr. A&l, at t would suggest that you just take a walk sad look
at those buildings. Y feel that the idea of seats#
is to have as orderly curve, not ammssas ,ly esthetic.
I would hate to are something stuck of in front of
that but idtsS.
"fabled to Mauch by oral vote - unanineus.
f }
�. Y Mesmer s sawah + nobody appearad, so action was taken.
- idS�rrr�r�YY�� rrArl�rl.
k,ShIA-Mfts Scow Seton back to old busiaosa, No. 659# Moor
11e144s g, Corporation, I talked with Its* Teeple on
the street and told his I thought the only way to
do it was to r*-publiah it and start again and be
said be thought that was the way.
r m I spoke with hist also end tolyl his it had occurred
to m that salWaS they had to say was not a part
of today's hearing and I felt h"reed reed with sr.
This was very bred. 1 boe 10 pages of thw transcript
Of tbO prtvi ou* haearing and the now saga aan 5e
over it.
Mr. Chain retie Why you gentUl -k have "at it we can decide.
ft, Could you gesstleamook veto without another public
bearing?
Mir. Chaisrrn, Mr. Mac:ki
4, . 'fir i Yoe.
i1rY r�.l.�r
'Mr. Wepv rs Sone of the strong objection was to the suit an
an Street.
3srC iaesns What they are asking for is au exception for wars
parking apace closer to an a lot line. This parking
cam up because this to going to be the entrance t
Its street.
Q%1yM1 Next as"t 00. 6639 Purity Ione Ctrasee* orange a sign
down there that is too big and than it *aero in that
the Planning Dowd looked into re-sonisg that little
ttriaagle there. I wrote as follows$ (Roods letter)
ilr. �faie Mase�ears I triol to get to the City Attorney se you could
close tM* " and it become a new appal and he
did net "s with this, that it saw to this heard
and the beard did not haw any authority. We bam
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no authority to grant in a 3-2. In the Bening or-
duma s therm is se Appeal from the rise of the siva
5-2 het a mmlw s of 23 square feet ,and B-30 30 squatme
feet. That does not appear in 3-2 and never should
have come to you in the first place. I would like
it serrstcbed off the agenda.
.W—G.. s We refuse to consider the problem because e we lack
the jurisdiction to do so.
Mr., *owl As to other aaottaerar„ lot's set a dot for meeting.
Shall we keep it at the second Monday of the sang
or what is your preference?
HL I Wield rather haw it at night.
Maw about an earlier boxer tike 300?
WS gwoms Or later?
, ,. , d ,a 4:34 would be bettor for ere.
ft. Catstteeakt The first Monday is all sight with so.
1C.- MbiI The first or second is all right with ere.
t I s*Wst the first fey of the omtb at 4:30.
RC s$ Litt a s try 4#30 P.K. an the first Monday.
fts, Dane, Mother thing to talk about is that dee lost sn appeal
in that Court, on the Zen Buffalo Street ease and my
feeling is that it .should be carried on and tame
our Attorney appeal to a higher court.
W-0 10HI I have a letter freed More and be was thinking he
mould not appeal on behalf of the City.
�. My feeling is that they should Appeals in order Farr
the City to otrongthoa► us.
Can we do this?
Mr. 911"W1 We ams awlwa p ask.
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. 1laldineit 1dadd we agar tot an Appropriation from the Common
Goad l?
2 sold like to sea a alsvillost-t n of either the
Count's decision or "me definite dstrrraisiatiea of
the Council's legislative intent. Rias the Const
is pointing out that we aaa net la effect inaraase
the density of the population of as Strout► without
going to the Council. It' thie is ttue it would own
aftsmaleas to so to the sams grraRup that you do for
authority. I would 1110 to seg that alemred up.
gowwe, I as not sure that this to within ours
Province to r4quest. I understand twom the poporr
that Ruuspakkss ars ♦ppealiag.
I would sm"ast that we wofma Barth we ate What
the Appellato Division does.
. m.. k
if we toot that the Board aedo a Seed drraisioa, but
we still have o abide by this.
a Will All I an saying is that the 'Board *lode a decision
and that is the way they telt. The City should
back us as a Board mad to as !ar as they am.
s ; Contribfto to the coat of the appeal already stuntt
.t
onion, I do net knew the way the low does it.
R„ s Us could onsroa Rom sad say thet the Board wish**
to prose an or the sppeal.
or, „Bm,��di�p I would says Veit on the appeal.
Mr s The request was for parking and had no bowing on
density.
You should wt mates into it It T Mawr dome py job
right.
Dhr. ChaiswMga►t If that to the way you tools that to the way you
feel I felt that atter listsulag to everybody
presenting this that we did it right, and thet We
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should have people to back w up.
MEW :1i _w_l no you want a lettowto No=?
NO Cbea arose Yea•
I„ tat► l+ r +er Should it not be d#vootad to tbe Mayer?
■•r■rir .� rRr
• P e t tbrink we should answr Nam also.
!hc• &stele: I would say i t should to to the Payor.
1hr. Pfanaa I will Mke the aottsm that the Secretary write a
letter to the mayor, with a +oopy to Mr. Freom*#
requesting tbat the City make the appeal.
Soce".
1e�x in favor - S Against - 1
l+hr, tar+► Mau a I will vee that those reports are verde out and
would lilts to know if you went eoplas of the plans
etc.
It LULZU N. lW, duly appointad stea sphor in
the within mttors, DO C IFY that I took the wlnutss of the hearing of the
hoard of Zoning Appeals, Citic of Ithaca. as Fahruary 14, 1956; that I be"
tewssslbod the same, aid the forotolog is a true espy of sweh troaset pt,
to the best of pry► ability* and the whole tbeveeto
1M 21 MW ARAW& C 11it IM - MOLY 1411ft
PUSUC Bull"
PUSIM
JOSWU C4SLt1Y1, Chairman
GWrFM WSAVU
V=01 COMMCK
RALPH P. SAW101
GOORGI R. ffAWq JR.
C. MURRAY VAN MARTIRs Building Commissioner
Secretary
•i�w:ri wiAiwlw��wi•w rwww wwiwi r�wq
In the Platter of Appeal No. 6641
dated January S, 196151 Location
of Prepertys 405 North Aurora
Street# pw"TO, Mercedes vredel
Requesting Variance to Zoning
Ordinance
rrwwFiww•••iwr•wMwwwwir•rwi•i•rwy(
MS. Ctu1R s Let us start with No. 664, location at 493 Borth
Aurora Street, requesting variance for use as beauty
shop and professional office in violation of $79
Columns i and 2. Any one to be heard?
John Alexander
102 1. *Sts '1 would 111Ce to speak for this. 1 as a local roaltor,
with offloes at 102 Bast State Street, roprooenting tors. Mercedes Wrode, who
ewe► this property at 405 North Aurora Street and who is applying for relief
from Section 7, Columns land 2. She has contracted to sell to Doris Neb6e
whom* intent it is to put In a beauty shop and prof "tonal office on the
first floor and to remodel the second floor for an apartment. She is also
planning to put in off-street parking in the back, which will aeeoamodate
S to 10 cars, and this will all be done according to the standards of the
City. The hardship that Airs. Vrode has is that the second floor has been
vacant for approximately one year novo and it is not in rental condition rigb
now. She would have to put in so soh *may to rest it and does net have tho
available funds. The ftret floor now is also vacant and is order to sake it
reateble *be would have to do quite s bit of changing and alteration, Soares
of the chaogas would be major ones, and the outside of the house in me spot
y is etarting to pull away lreee the lvxAMI� an expensive repair. Also the
pouter needs re.virieag, sad tafertunatol? she is not in position to do this.
Mrs. Moble oentemplates r*g off the treat perch and putting in *two
steps and a railing. She w%uld *lace tear off a small shee'k attached to that
back of the house. That will be tarn off sad nothing will be replaced there
Mrs. trade to not in a po* on to do this. As far as other properties In
the area go tyre are tbvee real estate offices and three insurance offloes
within-a block and a hall, plus a beauty parlor across 'tho read, also a
church across the read, sad a doctor's office meet door.
Would the beauty shop be opovatod by bar daughter's
A. Sight.
Q. Would Mrs. 'Noble have her offices there too?
A, A relative of here.
Q. Would there be any dvolliag accommodations?
As An spartmeut upstairs.
—R,_ Mot",: What kind of pvofessioeeal,off ice specifically to
contemplated?
A. A law office.
I CHAI1FilAA: Is there anybody here to sok against?
�a.r
.10th b 1CK: I live at 509 True Street and I an bore because I
am 'vice Chairman of the Board of Trust"& of St, tau a
M. 1. Chuveh, At our last oeetlug we passed a
resolution, unsulmously<4looppreving the relief of
the Zoning Ordinance for property located at 405
North Aurora Street. The people ou, the Board felt
they mould like to see that coemeeaity stay more or
less like it is sad not become stirs commocialisedl,
and not be spot saved. They would tike to see the
business section kept shove it is.
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Dennis Williams
rh ,PM ftroot a I share the sail viewpoint. I have bear a
North Tioga Street resident for twelve years and have
witnessed the rapid encroachment of the area by busi-
wass, and this is happening from uptown dower, and
Setting awfully close to hams. I object as a neiSbbo
and resident living a few blocks may.
_Amar,bra read I will reiterate whatever has been said as
to this being a matter of spot soulaS. While we have
a Board* we all sealtso, to wake ex"ptiouss, we feel
this action should be a rare case. We would Like to
ashg "What about the seat of the peopleM Perhaps
the entire area should be rated coawrsrotal, or at
least find out if we need a larger cosaroial area*
Do we really need atere or not? The Board was net in
favor of having a spot sowing, oven if it was for
just this one step, and the Board was unanimous.
R. VitMust stats t I sea Mike Riggs, 909 *ortb Aurora Street,,
I II IIw Irl
and I agree with firs. Osborn. I personally have no
objection to the whole area being reasoned, bort I do
not believe in spot sowing. It is aur feeling that It
a toning change is goal for +ate person it is good for all
the rest in that area.
Jaha Alex+enMrs Well, this is only about 120 fest freer the
B-1 area, which to busier***, which is across Curt
Street. I do not knew if I am right or aet, but dares
this really amount to spot toning?
Doeraisrl ,11iawi As I understands this residence will not be
rllr rrrrrliwi r.rrrir
used by the occupants?
,lohn_Ale>r rdeart It would be used by the relatives of the
owner. On the second floor it woutld be residential,
but notactuallyoccupied by the owner.
Aqt.
CMINI: Any further questions?
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ftg Man: is tbore anything that Would prevent the prowls+os from
being need if sane me wanted to have it strictly to#
living purposes?
W a- est We have shown this property sinoe last July oppronlueste y
fifteen tives and we are jest not able to cow up with
a buyer qualified to buy, and we were net able to cow
up with a buyer who was willing to pay wbta she bad to
hove out of the property. Mrs. Noble is the first
qualified buyer that we bm oaa up with, we have
shorn this property for a side residence sad for a
ttia-foitily residence but us one could pay the price to
cover mortgage and other exp eases, that It just courld
not be done. This buyer, tiro. Moble0 is qualified is
go ahead and do this work. financing is approved an It.
W PLMS Do you know when the prsooht owner purab000d the presi •?
A. No.
at,121-4tal t This property has bom rented up until a year ago?
A. The first floor, yes, sad the second up until two
moths ago.
.NAOM I The seeend floor would be one apsrtweat?
A. It would still ronin one.
Nil. 0418!Alla 1 would like to read into the record the letter of
Victor A. Lasers 211 hast Court gtroot.
(Letter read by Mr. Chairman)
.g•
the Matter of Appeal No. 6655
dated January 11. 19". by A. L.
Wit of 842 W. Soeacsa Street;
Location of Prroperrtys 904 West
State Street through Lot Y•11
Section It Col. 12 A 15; **king
secemption to Using O dissma
.SNI The neat oast to No. 665, 704 'test $tot* Stvimt,
"questing uceptiorn.
Jams J,. C►jM*j logs 1 represent the petitioner !� the Tompkins County
I �YIYi� wr�Mll,�\!� 11 I I I
Trust + spaay so for the record E vft14 like to have
two witnesses sworat A. F. Roll and William sews,
roptiag the Bank. Arcot also for dere recorrd, Z
would like this copy of the plans and specifications
to bre marked.
Albart a. Bull and William ti. Burn* sworn by Reporters
and Votary Public, Lillian N! Keown
ftittgMS40 1 J*Ej4OMMLjgLtiMp
being copy of plans and spocifioations, consisting
of two documents.
ALBSBY L. MULL, ming first been duly swern,
Answered as follower
ly.I'Mrs..IQw4t ,
Q� You ars president of the 802 watt Somas Stseo►t Corporstio nt
A. Las.
Q. x thow you Petitionerls M*Ibit 19 marked for identifirratisn, and ask if
these are the Pians coed specifications which erre the subject matter o
this +apt l?
A. They aso*
Q. It is in reference to the Sa ems& strcest area which is, outlined In dark
ink which we are concerned with today?
A., 1t is.
R•
The purpose of tbtis hearing is to obtain relief* *Wali* from the 10
toot setback on Samoa Street?'
A Right.
Q. Mr, gull, do you owl all the property to the north of Sema Street as
shown bareen?
A. 140.
D you also owm and operate the property dtrrecatly across Mawaa Street
to the north?
A. Y+ese
Q. Also o the Vaisylea reaemtly constructed, OMbou:d Bus Terminal end
the building housing Colonial Sandore Chicken?
A. That Is true.
Q. Eaw you received any objection to the proposed location of this Branch
Bank in this arwe.?
A. Nono#
Q, Mo you know of yew owe knowledge other buildings In the *eves Ot de not
have this 14 loot setback?
A. Practically now haw, including the three just umtioned.
�. D you of your o m knowledge know the distance bets een. ties proposed north
parse of your building and the sctusl curb in Seneca Street?
A, A little more than 12 feet to the amb from the edge of the building.
Q. A car could pull up?
A. bare is moors for two cars to park between the north side of the building
and the strreet.
Mr. 1W.V.41 f What to now there?
_C e-w A vacant lot, vacant lead (indicates on Exhibit 1).
.Nw*—r-s , The bast we can identify is 704 West $ta►t* Street but
the lot does all the way through.
Jiirc. #Idldlnit Yome of .the throe mew buildings you have built to the
area has a 10 feet setback • weans thew exceptions?
How one they ware built that way?
A. "no aorta asked for.
Mac, Gln: Mone worn required by the prion Administration,
.i.IMP 98% of the buildings ora sat on the .line tbsre.
MO.. m$ The only one involved at the street world bre the dei
fir. C'me, Colonel 8sadovo, but it is ovor a block. Mrs. Mull is
man
airs developer of the Supe"Duper Market. Colonel
Sanders is a building within a foot. Ths existing
bui 1AIng was 4bout6 or d feet towards the street Essar
the p"asmt building. Ths front would be on Senses, Street
nlhim R. BhMS, Sowing first been duly swotw$
answered es follows&
SY A& Chess Give your name* sddross, and capacity ploase?
A. Willis* Bump 201 South Nill Tomco, former president and Chairman
of the Board of the Tompkins County.'Ernst Comp"y and I as bags today
because the Pv%bad eat i s out of town.
Q,
The plans that have been prossatard to ,thia Msard, marked Petitiensr•s
txbtbit 16 have been approved, as to specifications and locations OR the
lot by time UnkinS Deportamt of the Stats of Now York?
A, That is riSht.
Q. If any oh ,e were mode in the plans and speeif ootioae, it would be
quite *1 cumbersome procedure to So back threuSb the Banking Depertmratt
A. night.
Q. iso you know the number of sgture foot involved?
A. Approximately 2,000 square foot.
Q. You have cohsultod with other officers of the ihaak and to your opiniea,
this is the smallost possible branch that mould be feasible in this
location?
A. Yes, sir, it would be heard to Set also; with a smaller area. If the
lobby area were curtailed it would cause conSost on, as of course the
Gfraybound &tar Tuinal is that*.
Q. 00 you know of your ora knowledge when bi"Iso out this ,contract will
take plans?
A. February 22nd, 1 bell*vo.
Q. In consultation with the officore of the bank, there is no sor"ce of
this bank facility that could be awrtaiied, and still carry out your
fmcxtion es► this locatioat
A* None, sir.
s # ,t Would it bo drivo-in?
A. No.
Q. Met about perking?
A. I belle" well is providiag some paskieeg asd there
will be parking across *hero Atwatearts will be. lie
could not brave a drive-in bedew we would Dere to
keep the parsaseway for the bur linos,, and so parkins
at the curb.
i . ,Geeestooka
What Is tbo distance between this and the north end
of the bus torminal?
1�..
There is a specs on beth sides.
It would be the *sae width as the dairy store to
the south, and it is substantially tate some. 20 toot
botaeea the dairy store and the bur ttvalual.
Of the same kind of brick?
A. Yes. except the connectins link.
W. -gnus Basted on the Mast development of the wast and de
you tool that this facility is pessary to *ere for
the poople?
A. Yes$ we have a substsatiol business in the vert sad.
MgMoja�t How many people would be employed?
A. Five to six.
Q. You will be" pork ins face i l i t ices?
A. We ase in hopes of staking orransoments for porky
of all employees in this area to the south of S te`
Street. i& will hive six thaws eventually.
. CIMMI to thore any one here to speak fes~ or *&&last?
None.
All sighto thank you. sontieelen.
�r�•.w�ns����r�w�•��e�snsww�rrrt.r�rry►
to the hatter of Appeal ite. 6"j,
dated January 200 14661 .Lucia*
LImag of 114. Salso Ort",, Iths",
for Promise* at AUDI West Court
Street; requesting Varifteo to
feeing OTAI xeaaee, Building Fereeit,
Section 7, Col. 1
•+�+.on+1.�rrs���wwnr�r.,w+..r�4sas�.,�.
The next is ossa No. 6b60 promi"s at 302 West
Court Stroot. Mr. Low is here and I boliees be
trisbes to speak.
_taea►, „ a My uses is Luciana Lar and I have the existing
but Wing known as Sof Wiest Court l/eareet. About
five yearsago I caves before the othor Beard and
&eked pearmi s ci on Won office of insurance and
was granted this permission with the understanding-
We,
nderstanding-Wr mould hold to o five-year terms About a
month or two later I came again to ses if the fiva
year limit could be waived awed they told we it
would be all right, and about two months ago I
Intended to add an 8 by 16 foot structunre, to give
were spass to people coming in. I made a regular
application and was granted permission to build
this structure. Than t bad tate idea to ask if I
could possibly use 6 addittoaol Inebas# which Oolls
> here today. First, I have no record of pormis-
cion for so" than tivo years. Second# in our
position you oat not obtain this without the 3"r4
and that is why I awn fuer* today. For your r*aovd#
let me show you the letter of which I an to make
a photocopy for the record of this proceeding. .
Mr. Chaiaereiw reads the letter' of A. J. Wilder.
„JAMS I reall" that besides the regulations I **old net
obtain it because of business vea, and Also the
distance far" the street line to the point whore
�to�
the buildistg would be extended. If we did p abo*4 we
would be In violation of about 2 feat atnd maybe 8 " `k;%'4
meshes. se I as bare today Ve obtain this. This
Is the permit I sbtaieeed forget tbo 8eailding Commis+►
simor (Indicatiwg). We an "Mag for permission
is build another 123 s+dtiars, foot. The front deer
of our off i ore vould be a lesaat' by 7 foot eaoutthisSo
and that, would be plus the $4 foot. we are novo
16 feet f the lot line, and the now out would
bring us 7 foot 6 inches from the lot line.
t The addition on the south side -f that buildiatg waw:'
is net Mut entire o0atb 014*1 least titer* a Jos?
s z Yos, but it hoe nothing to do with tho offloe.
'fbatt 4s now a square room, 16 by 16 op*3m# and
dtnided by 2 t is 8 by 16 felon. In b"t of thin
there is a jog but that belou4s to the atpartment.
I harry talbod with the neigbbsrs about tbi s are-
quest avA I be" sent this litter to "ch individ 1.
(offer# letter)
to the building now within the limits allowed by
ae oto$?
t„ a It i s, yes, but this to now fust for the roes.
A, Tanta►r Any one for or against?
Do",
I think tbot is all,, Mr. Left.
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IA tbs tter of Appeal. bis. 660,
612-6% soak 8trest 8sles and
*xSS4,P aarirnao and l ptioA0
In violation of Secs. 70 Cols* It
110 131 1S.
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This to Case go. 6600 location at 682-MK Namoock
St"ot. 1s there any me bere to speak: for or
*gale t?
"a km t 1 m Mrs. Voles Jaeksea0 612 Hanceek Street, mW
1 as bsre representing my mthwct Mrs. piles.
1 balsa a petition wbiah, I took around tko neigh-
borhood and 1 got quite a fess neighbors to signs
and our reasons being ---
There iiso me here t"ay icor the *a". Amd
we will have to publish wgmin. Tbers will be no
action taken on it. 1t will be published Win it
they put to for anotbsr +late to be set.
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Ia tho Matter of Case No. 6S9.
Sector Holdins Corporation;
o. Forms Am
. c 3WOW at t1r last heart*$ was the application
of tbs lUctor 'hnldia Corponti*A, Ft mijtt be
useful we tt tougbt, for us to ga tb**t%b this
quit o briefly *ad answer any questions the new
06al b ers of thte Bastard oigkt boyo, if they have
looked at the papers,
Ekr. Ctnai te►>r "l`boy just 6rt't the papers and they ore not fated
with this osttor.
Stscs'#tz was tabledI was not notified there
would be a Public b"Tisd I MttOv with ■s three
people from Now York City, who this After-
ROM acrd I also asked Mir! Stallem to be brt*
I do not think the lair requirsa another public
heartas but I do not carat, to tape" my wisbos on
the Board. W* ween not notified it was goiog to
be required.
far. ht►ldiwi I have heard nothing of this and I to not knew
what you are talkietp About.
W, I thought wo could 20 through it.
,. We discussed this briefly before this bearing
and it was thoaght they could be" the transcript
• of What took place at dere original beartag and
fast liatrtse themselves with it.
US busw I wild like to add this. At the last bearing
we went into a lot of extraneous Oattters, but tbo
loom bars is v betber or net we will be po"mi ttod to
Add tbsse writs up thstrs. MWO r the ADD the
only thing Validly raised at tine other beatrial
este the entry onto U* Street, wherehar or set
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that was Solna to be sass kited of hay sovd, As I
told the Board at tis last carting, we went through
with an *nocutirro stating of the PisAkols$ BeArd
MW we watt tough t ra or". Tont Nafderkorn.
Mt* Stslleesn end Mrs. Nordlatimorr war* with rats.
The Planning board then w000aismadad that this be
approved as it not all the rople is as to the
ridomAd area and ptrkieg, At this point if it is
going to be presented In the fashion you iredisatod
I would like kir. Stallms to indicate his findings
up there sed add that to the roared.
ftetr aM Wells I as wondering whether we arse in to position
to take further tsstimmy at titin► tiva to this
natter. Depending Won what "being tabled'" moos
is the riuoot i on. I do tet want guar to take testi-
way on somothin& that would be Improper.
I da net disagree wi tb ,you tad if t hod trot kt
three maple up beer*, I would go b . I dioll'be
to put then to the expense of cte"ag svi+a" but
they would cow if tweMssary.
as Swat I vet up there to cart the hosard and I could net
flgwo out aaytbing. Is that* any eimatge for your
plans the exit to Us Street?
Use we have *backed that. "tt gats steeper as it
so" do" motor Street, INT additional safety,
felt for this reason we could Siva tkom a little
space into our proporty, which would be additional
lengthening of the driveway out, so they would hava
about 35 fast in shich to step' The slops of 81st"
Setwoot at that point i s not very groat.
C ircawtrit Gentles els there is so Use of say further diseewea
i ii�r rnri. m`wrw
unless there is a public hoorimg, Ties" sontlase
on the Board should beer the vbdla story.
,".21,fs Please lot ns know as to a data.
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ht= d tY 1EhlNMM SRSSMs -1ni1AD OF WNWO 1fPPULS9 nUVM 14,, It"
P"mious to the Publia Seaming in this within matterrs, is the Offioe
of the Ms"Vo City of Its, fterrotarry Van Matter did atenvot+ae the fall Board
and request moinsti ons for Chairsan of the Board of toning App cels for 19",
The of Joseph Conley, vas pyroposodi the $**rotary did.0011 for
fuorthex re?er tuatimai no" sppOrredi the Secretary was instructed t:a "at 0"
bslloti motion was made and seam4edi the Secretary did as ordero t aW
declared W. Joseph Conley duly elocet+sd Cbstrcrmsa of the Board of 'a$
Appeals for 19".
At that conclusion of Public Biaring$ this Board of LeainN Appeals casustdered.
in twocutive Session. as follewsl
r Let us *molder as to No. 6".
lis.. _lhetdiai: I can *Sree with the Methodist Splsaopol Church
against spot soninf *van thank I myself had a violation, but I osa ,tiet afire
that the area should not be sonod oommor®iol. I should chink that we should
make am of natural boundaries to limit soning. I would be lenient toward
sonins saywas and I took o>bjoetion to Mr. Alaxandorts remaskp and feel to
was eoveving a broad-ado. 14 my'mind I so using the crook are At natural
barrier.
,r.SLYAMI We have rondo that saw roeommeadetion, to the Plan-
aina Bard and they ego set belie" in it. what they say is that the City has
emough commercial or sufficient aeameraial property that they do not bead to
to further, but I do a4rse britt► I)ectotr beldial that It is a natural for
mW S. Ittay son melee this over into doctoral or dentists' effloos. This has
own up befeve.
as. $"dim r I feel we could deny it. if am we" livies the
it would be different.
. S stars This should be taken by ballots
r r Shouldalt we !terve *aura reasons for our sus"rr?
Ma HIM, foss you have to $ive reasons.
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.. tldimi s "Wt guarantee will the City have that We. Ooblo i k
*ei+ag to do thaw whim p?
M., XAs You have to ,TWO that but I would west that
shit alsht sail within a abort time and these oonditions would not cesssy ever
If we se specify. Suppose sbe wanted to ,rent to am* one besidesbur bi obazd
for a law office.
it's-IWAt I haven't *seat is may own mind each hardship for that
pro arty, oven the feet that they have tried is sell to private ovsstrs who
would 000upy as a private home f if teen times*, to warrant a hardship.
. i 1 de not think that is-our traa ct-t ng to bei 1 -
body out.
3 My motion is that it be denied for the reason it
does net eomo within the bouts 000"atien catogery and &I" for the fact that
it would be a cheese, spot uonl aS of the or**, which would put it In a 1t-I.
„ .t ,Any time the 3er4 gsr+trtra • V"JSsrcte it is ectutt ly
spot *"1*&,, *sad this is sptattic withis time or4labo to itself. Nowevero was
do have soft reotat indication that Maybe the Need should not have We. Xy
Oft feeling is that I would so &lass with you that this -should be denied
because of the fact it is not to be hors eocupstioa, and there it else not
a demonstrable hasdship or a uniquosese of the situation as Compared to othol
property.
1#tc. Ihekldisei t Are we for or a6aiset7 We aro qualifying our
approval.
,ts Wit,...ak' se, I so ttayins asainst.
PZA l cis Shouldn't we Sit first:for appr"Ol of denial, and
theme the reasons.
9 Mooks I I am new saying why I sat opposed to it,
a—, MAk.*.fit No presented a rashom to deny and be rats" two
ros"nt. You would soomW his notion except that you hove another reason
for denying, So you ars or are not milling to s0000d his motion,.
HE, C M—kyAmat I feel we should talk song ourselves and thea white►
we get to the point whsre these bas been enough disewerierr, lot** vete on
a motion eitbor to acoapt or reject. The sreerono will hots oath oat is the
discussion. We can then lead* that reasons out of that motion.
9-18 1941ALS I think we should vets for or against and theata list
ries+rnr.
I would be in favor emopk for the beauty shops on.
1*00 she lived damns
&A.A NNW I The application we# not malt on the basis of boo
cstiep
fir. Bs liissi f She its a caftevoial war this pt`�y•
� r.uirr■rr.rai�r
IRA
Cgawk I alsis It doUot mew within !ms oc tiaa,-
- Viliil I ss-
In
psrs$raph "0, it says s Occupancy provisions which to oustoswasari ly c or"ed
on is a dwolling unit. I would say that this to scot Omotom vy.
ts„am� � would say Clow* aso one in 4wsllio4s.
.,Clssirrrs�sntThey do not mention,, how ocouposay has#.
I think we skould lomvo the memo out.
I feel we should cessidmr a h ourselves and than
"to on i t.
If this Mosyd sold decide to deny this petition
as"Ot we $maim# to list the cess omst
idr, ftaklm ?LM..HMWs I think w” should.
RL Isla�►f Lot's_not just say we will deny i t•
My sotiont Is to mit as No. 664.
g Mas Second time mtioa.
beftys 5 Y'rsss.l 1 so.
tYMNMI It bas'`bsse mantis"d that *At Sufficient Wdobip
has boon shows. Thi a i a the basis of denial.
And it does net cess wWtr Mott" I - soca t!
s I tool that ar evidence was s tted that there were
special Circumstances or unique conditions whisk would Justify this.
4 RAMUT Certainly Chars lass Hurt been demonstrated ated a no" toss
taothor bosomy p mle7r or another lepi office in this particular arias, and I
would like to include the spot sosst s+rt.
This is bod because then are times you axes gelag to
SAVO a 1411,0604, It Ispat 4010 049 +end you mihbt be cutting soft yew tsgws, but
It sbvdd be dosed with stwong Justification.
� s
We a'e the only body that esa i0itiots a ONOSO to
asossie�.
• pataean Only within the coutoxt of the OMaaaas,
deoWMA be says doctor.* offieel Doeter Forester liwe
t�x'°e•
ILIUM
I feel tbara is not suffix eat on of the property
as it is sorted.
Gain$ to ease me, "S.
_xv�„ ver t )btlea that this be granted
Wkl t I, foot I should dftowlify_mysolf, from votifts is tht
aes* -I de not knew how you feel about it.
Was �ISS pot do not do tkat.
fir, gsldirri t I thia'k Mr. Bull dssorrres a lot of credit for this.
He Me s is a lot of trouble. So wood to be
tears to Robinson i. Carpenter and tbay► tried to
Sot tit brick for kin„ and he bad to set it at sow
plow very special. I Wok be has Carried tlpe ►
*4 Ole particular tbios and also tbare is the foot
that they probably will b goad sore" to the
building.
Its YA Sk sit It will aett block traffic, it is tww"My on Fulton
�txset.
r' I fool the Planning BeardIs riding Mayr it.
Mould that additional. rpt be rsstpiativo on first
types at operations?
I would roe eeswrad it t w1. out Of 20000 sgAWVS
feet they bit" in. t syrolly speaking* any Oft
would ta►vo to apply for thb.
.. t That groat is going to be bwior cad busier all tbo.
ties.
Someaa. Str*et is 36 feat, but thlny Weill probably
sheatftusus cum. Wbat woos not-farther pointed
auto, on the west side of the building tbey Itm
erriatoinad a bumper to bumper parking on the outer
Is". They arra going to develop a lot in tboro for
tba whole area for obioppers seed ompleyo" quad PeeplO
Who use the sabool.
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I Could the arae be eared practically tommerefolly
for somietbiiag else?
!r ki I think it would be out dim.
r e De 400S, bye" an rates width we situ n ver sols
+ a.
DsrE ibrld#nt i
Seamod the notion.
i�rryw�io ■ uau
ble r ce for ref of the uniquamOss of the lot Justifying
It,
ftini. To swftt i Yes - 6
.. This rets is See .
This am bolds a building permit which was issued
In November and he said be vested d ,inches and I
said all I wanted to knew was could be asst the lfl
foot setback and he said he could net. I told his
he eight be In a better position and he has 000pers
tad entirely and agreed to surrender bis buil tr4
poria It ratherE than to embarrass anybody. Re is
&eing to be able to went 7 feet n i has. Nis 'prr o
poeol mould obstruct visibility for seat-bowl
traffic on Vest Court Street. I feel you can rest
outend a -coufftiting use but I bove a't s right t
put it to es a detriment to tits a*",
a[ Does be Bove a variance now?
aNasi Narteri Yoe, for use.
mEg Pie The Acord granted it five years &So and it to
eontinaous?
Mrs Tbay said there was a limitation of five gears when
they granted it.
ilr. l cki i Does that letter purport to estend It?
Dr. �aldigi a Do you think be Mould build as he says or do you
t bink he would Insist upon this?
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fr. NIM" Hither be 'doesn't build at all or has permission.
1*4 ONi I would Ilk* sore proof as to why he cannot do any,.
thing else with it. He showed us a skstah and said
he wanted to d so may aeon feet.
Mr. f'ao war tsra Be apparently cam not extend his floor space to take
care of hie insurance business as the balance is
being used for living purposes.
Mr. -CftWt m*-I As I a" it, we has a building, Erooad floor occu-
pied ss dwelling and his office, second doer emu-
pied as an apartmet. Ne wants to increase his specio
for business downstairs at the expense of the frost.
Igo, iisa+ret3 I umdoraWmd he can not increase the floor spade
because of the structure.
lk doesn't show any hardship.
Mrs ysn MOrtexe He has not tried to.
...a..wC " e Be its increasing his business.
pr. , eldiais He has to choose between extending his business or
net renting the apartment. 1b did not show us time
result of the letter.
Well, you have to notify everybody within 20 feet
of the propertyO
-WkA-3 Can we act upon an extension of a non-aeenfoluing wee
Maisesne 1 would say so.
lie. Taee ttanrs There is no place for it on the appeal-aW I can net
find it in the ordinance.
f nt I as wermdoring - if we decide on it naw, we out his
off'i
M Right.
W. am If we tabled it maybe bre could bring further later.
motion In,
11� IBIW fW1 Mil � We can de that,
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p
1 m Z hate to b*"- a policy of making this arae so to
Court bramaanss east of them could not do it. If Me
were to table it and c ent#nue for f uvtb*r informs-
ties and maybe send kin a totter that in. order to
grant an exception you berms to sbov hardship.
ibr.. stoc kt 'freeze has been no objection pvesented by the City
insofar as cutting off any view?
Nr. fist ti rt No vmts'2 feet 8 Inob�s, The Planed Board foals
riilil Ili' iiliiA I
that be still be made to comply with the to foot
setbook,p
Apparently they do not rojee s question about cutting
the view?
I would aan that this be tabled and fit into the
next regular mooting.
f', •
Illi��. , �?►., �:
.moi,': The motion would be to table this to the next regular
public b"ring to be announced agaln, for further
proms of hardship or womml circu0stana#s.
.Or ,fts I mould notify him of bow the motion wads AW Sovitb
him to the next public boatrtag.
WX SAW22V
Than any one can come to for ONOOt OUs*
, ald:iatll s I old suggest that you just take a walk and took
at those butldiags. I feel that the idea of wares
in to have, on eardssly Curve, net necessarily estbat
t mould hate to see asmatalog stuck out in front of
that butldiag.
Tabled to lurch by oval veto - urtao e.
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ft. CISMEWMAU1 lie►. 6"?
a,..YA I'"!'l g-T e 1" h ear nobody appeared, no action was talo.
I ec. Cham: Novo getting back to old busieeeeas, No, +639, Beater
Molding Corporation, I talked with Stan Tospis on
the street and told bice I thought the only way to
do it was to re-publisb it and start asain and he
said he tb ougkt that was tbo way.
AW 9"!sr llsrtUS t spoke with bine alae and told his it bad occurred
to w► that anyltbing tbsy lied to say WAS Got a part
of today** hearing need I felt ler► agrood with go.
This traces very bred. I have Ip pagers of the transcript
of the previous hearing and the naw aeaeebove area go
Over i t o
me. g .Me When you gsntlsas have road It we can dseaido.
Hr., .,9r,lOW Could you gontlosea veto without "other public
bewaring?
Mr. Cbol seeeau, Mr. Mtcki
$ Mr. YArLVor t dos.
litto iftlut Sam of the strong objection was to the snit an
arae Street,
�C ai, ntVast they ors asking for is an exception for more
parking specs Closer to ear a let line, This porkies
can up beacsuso this is going to be the mta+aeeret tio
Ilse Stasot.
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Next case, No. bd39 purity Us Ctesae, wants a sign
down that* that is too big MW than it coo In that
the Planning Board looked into that littlip
tris is there. I wrote ser follows$ (14ads letter
,f. , Y-ft Mi " s t triad to get to the City Attorrmy so you could
bloc* this case end it become a now appeal and hef►-
did not as"o with this, that it cam to this Board
and the Beard did not have any authority. ire hem
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so authority to great in s 8-2. In the ming Or-
dinance there to no appeal from the sins of the sip,
8-2 has a mmiwma of 23 square fast sad 3-3, 30 aetaaa e
feet. That dote not appear in B-2 and never should
bees come to you inti the first plaoe. I would like
It scratched off the agenda,
i aea, t
We refuse to consider the problem because we lack
the 3urisdictiea to do so,
'. 9WOM I News as to other matterol, let$o sat a data for mostM41.
$ball we keep it at the "Goad manday of the meath
or whist is your prefesreams?
t&. low tsrokt I would rather have it at night.
,mulm HULUO bore about an earlier hear like 300?
!9FA OMEMS or battier?
Disc, all—dial t 400 0 would be bettor for mo,
at, Cgesatetieakt The first Monday Is all Bright with on,
s F The first or oecond is all aright vitt me.
„W-A-Ums I sanest the first wry of the mmth at 400.
rn r.I r iFrm' i Lot#$ try 400 PX an the f I rst Momkr.
Amothes titling to talk about is that we lost an appeal
in the Courts on the !Cast taffalo Street assn and my
feeling Is that it should bo caied sa and hay►+
our attorney appeal to a higher court.
.. saki s I have a letter from !tors and he was thiaking be
mould not appeal on bobelf of the City.
i car- I My feeling is that they should appeal, in order for
the City to strengthen us.
ME. 'MMLS LS Cas► we do this?
Mrs Cbaissasat iie can aleea" ask.
fts.:Aj i c isuld we ever get sa appropriation tree the Conran
Cou4eti ?
•*sI Mould like to see a glerifieot on of either the
Cm's decision or so" definite deter **Mien Of
the Corrrci l's legislativo intent. sere the Court
is peiating out that we can not in offset isareass
the density of the population of on am vitt
Being to the Council, If tbis to true it v"14
onavolous, to so to the so" group that you do for
authority. I would line to see that cleared up.
toxever, I as set sure that this is within our
province to request. l understand troe the paw
that Saueptkkas are appealing,
r� 0-my I would s eat that we x*tmft Usti 1 we "a what
the Appellate Division doss,
tier. Neaki r If we feel that the Beard as& a good decrisioav but
we still: bare to abide by this.
HE, Qrsix ut All I an saying is that the Board wade a decision
end that, is the way they felt, 'The City should
buck us as a Board and go as far as they Gras►.
s Contribute to the cost of the appeal already started?
l do not 'know the way the lawr does it.
ft Elms We could answer luxe and say that toe board, wishes
to press an or the appeal.
. f l would say volt an the appeal.
Gs cl t The request was for parkin sad had no beaming on
density.
. Vara fort You should not eater into it it I have done spy jab
right.
t that it the -way you feel, that is the away you
lean. I felt that alter listening to everybody
Pretesting this that we did it right, and that we
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should have people to book w up.
al. MAM4 Do you went a letteeto Novae?
fir. _CWNW, Too.
Should it not be directed to the Mayor?
ft Efta, I think we should tumor `Novo also.
as t l would say it should to to the Meyer.
W UAW. I will yoke the Notion that the Secretary writo, a
letter to the mayor, with a aopy to Mr, F ree>eean,
regwestiud that the City Wake the appeal.
s..ftwldeoewal.
bug& In favor 5 ASa ust - i
Mr. Ca+a 1xMartlti I Neill see that these reports are made out and
would like to kaov if you want copies of the plans
oto•
I, LILUM M. UMg duly appointed stvAgrapbor is
the within mtt rs# 00 C VY that I took the vinutes of the hearing of the
&wrd of Zouju& Appaala, City of Ithacea, on February 14$ 19"; that I havae
tra woribed the sones and the foregoing is a true copy of su+eb transcript,
to the boot of my ability* end the whole the t,