HomeMy WebLinkAboutMN-PDB-1986-03-25 PLANNING AND DEVELOPMENT BA-7tv'57'•D
PRESENT:
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rvj•:a-;,� i'u? E Jones,Albanese, $ s i,!_,i•,i r'$..�!$!�r'!}. Director IHJ-41,F. 't��6$ �„•!_•i ; i E��,:.�: �i i V'$, rh. .!.r$•. ' K.
Evans, member-.=-. of The public and press.
tom•i�b]ir.: FipaP F$a - Final
.•in 9 Subdivision G VarE.i.1 Outdoor
Power EPFuii•..!r':!,4'1,,rte$1 x 71
Elmira
ii a WWI.
-. -so .- ^imoved
_:ed i ^ open
pen Apublic
bli_ [ "!f; T o _ii:; ,nghaCr
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seconded. At ' i= _ _. _ . Blumenthal
yeY;} a? ! r :'d the public if t'ru 1 _
}($ one 13,1,ho 'Shf'iehe to «
address
}�dd e _ the ... _� ?r,fE_ ... i.. ..tI-diE. . ..t}�n !�;'rP Men
Munson, rep `r_' `r_!n�.ng the applicant, `ididS:o4t4!'`a:_ unable I attend the hearing,
said traL he ``4d d s there
J e Y f answer a y questions. No
_ tee?• e di+_e••{e. to
' d1es the board. S. Jackson moved SLclose the B _Lli_ hearing.
Ayes 6,
ra y es 0 S. Blumenthal a^ ad the board i! anyone :a_ anything _o discuss
_`re «r - e the subdivision. H.M.f snCort. ,+ ytud that ;+. e Planning
Depar'�i"riea�'+, 'e-!"''e#rY'i”!i'r!r'$i.• r! approval. L-: $. , s v:!o=r- for t'f•r a
Department F-`-J! !!!_.,F$�_ $• L•_••_!:$!r E F•F!•J., for r ,... Jac,!_i•:son P r S @ S 1 L3',N i`r� t!!! i E nal
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s!ir'divisilii! approval, seconded ed b!} T. Cookingham. Ayes6 nayes
0
Zoning Agrgea-l-z-, - See minutes attached.
>'1°k y t j' R F_ s -• ..e y s the e S e ! i_y d: proposed
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Treetops s$_ibdi',dii_;i!_#r$. S. Bl�arf$enthE$I ar$`$oP_•$r$!_:P--1.d that 'the board had been �#
designated
^ ^'i e 1 h e a F.! j( ) !y i the
V¢^i 1 r }•' �6h�'y•ie review.xt i Ld:d i-L9 then
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1 #_'rW iari $.:t°.�s��P;_ l..l r"d °_r$l�..{i!i$!_i P'$!_i! •_ ±�e_•+.i i+_!+__ c! t=rrF fi.a i. l'Mi; ._ __�'__. ,i.s s. 'l�r�� L•#,1��.
state#� that s-n lot_ F-i;t.! Mapper,d in the post month. There e ha`}•`e iseer1 a
number lt meetings hii the neighborhood and the developer. Discussions
have `a'er place be w e !r ± neighbors, s h r developer
w Jlo-e `r'$d Se C i} r"oi z
$
Dispute Resolution 'e fe^ which te F ai g Board hopes °�i 1i result
ee _liin
direct
ire[t jeg[Tiati_r = between nd? RL L,j i.oW ^ a ry _ e developer. The
! !ni;'}q Department received some additional ir1*E_!i-ra%$atiori s$_•$pI-!lem"•ntvr'y
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to the long P Pm Environmental, A•= sYGr t that `fi'-a_ submitted before
the `e r, �r. M- Planning Board r ;�_!_! g. -` =1 the
Nei% L!r'm_0:•.e: - -_:e,i.ng and Facilities
a i$i ie_ Committee mJt with 1h e developer
and members of the corrimunity to review the submissions received to
date.
r`P a P]a 5 n_ department y?s" a eprepared tii r r e-$i Va which ajteY :teP
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integrate t r e subdivision a rd review pr ,: se , t e e' : -orS w r (ai `e!i e t
S. Blumenthal stated that the first part of this discussion to foclus on
the Environmental Assessment, and whether U-!,e board would now r.
an EIS from the •developer. AN, OUT Van Cort and the developer, had a
meeting in which IMr. Weisburd suggested an alternate priopos.-i-il,
EMumenthal stated that the Neighborhoods, Housing and MUMS
committee had recommended to the board that an Environmental hrn;pact
Statemet-;t be requested on the basis of the issues identified in the IMIa-rct-!,
25th memo to the board.
S. CumnIngs stated her concerns regarding the memo. She Said that items
1-5 do not include all of the .5re-is which the board indicated concerns
about The other area that concerned her dea-it vrrith thie -site as a:m
i n-;port ant open space to the community; the character of the neighborhood
(aesthetic, visual); the aesthetics of the proposed structures the'nsell,ves,
and that there was no specific category dealing with the type TS o_r-.-u p a n cy
f or ch the units d be marketed. She asked about the written
response requested from the city engineer, the iiy attorney a n d t h 8
building HJ-1. Van Cort reported that the department
not yet received an,!-,, written responses. He said one of 111.he things that ۥ__E!
ad
become apparent is that the city's Environmental Qualit..y Revie-'-A, Ordiinlance
Ives the board 115 dr--ys, from the day of the submission of the long-for.rn
Environmental Assessment Form, for the I e6d Uy-enc- to make Lhe
deternn-ination of siq e.
ni f i canc
S. Blumenthal revie%--ed, the three additional issue,,=-, raised. S. Jackson
asked what was the new proposal from the developer. He made the point
that unUl the board knew what the proposal was, '11heq could not dx-.terinnine
�t,ihether it would be worth spending the time discussing th i.:- , s r i d.
g 8 ssue a se
i. WeisbUrd addressed the board. He told the board that he and his wife.,
ClauTa, had spoken to their attorney, and also met with the city attorney.
The Wei sbuirds were under the i mpressi on that i f the ci ty •came f orth �,,i th
TL._ determi nati or., no%re—the i t %,%,as f rc-irned, and f rom what went on in
the cornmittee-th-at they would not be able Tiact. it would not the
SECIR gguii de I ines and the SEQR 're rement-s set down by the sf ate. He
added that they do not have an objec".Jon to doing the Impact Statement...
but that they would objeci. to doing something they thought %;,iias ille.gal. To
avoid that and also avoid the hassle, they wouid be YNAng to have the
board delay the decision for thirty days, tofith Tice hope of entering into
negotiations. Also, they said that they would be able to straighten out
what seemed to be irregularities in the der-1arr-,tion.
HJM. Van Cort told the board 'that he was very supportive of the proposal,
and thought that through negotiations many of the problems could possibly
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that the env iP_P fjnfent!al Issues be thoroughly examined, and that aIhe #`}aiPg_3�'
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stated that i. 1 t seemed Ied tSP him that this extension ``!'e`'oR_i P'_E be a
» . ry:( i_ . off
arr^_!rsi n, Lr_r what tY e i i 3y attorney _ =id; S, _a_ .e 1!re
s •ES?d T i e 'a}ta ; ' i R'7F'°^•eere�ePerP�� 4n?7t h the ex, e� Sot"t bu;r hP.:e h t•�' i.:-, k cr.P.•:
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Van i t-i• �{ the r e i ! p r would 9 € !+_•+a time.e a 1a,i:_!i a'°'R ¢_t{
H.M. ': t;s P r,_I! !. said: � !�L .aft„. : �, �.-g_g t•`FS> ;!E„i� !e -t,.�Fe ��!P_•. LsP. 3:__ •�P_f•_•�: °v
commented by :aP i nq that there are ti:`if o time—lines: SLfa R and the
subdi vi si on.
r-h?gulatfon. He added t f; t they are %?0 11 infq o take a month of ::ARE` at
negotiations; _ iG' ur _thtng and get _taRu_. 'uy, i - r a"f- R •e� ab`R
4! 3*.ti3 ,h_
the ate'F:. t:-F u u rr:a F 1 P'va told
7 - 4,ar_ F..4 !C� '� not€F r� P l a' would i 3 S t e �' Ya,J a
a e esi_�,,R d-.t ! 4Eli( i�tfg_Rff, h P.old ahem he did e _•t ga f f k i3 '`a'''r'ould _ t+:�l.d �R.
!eF e-sb^rd -a?a o they
Nuy d o not i a Y t to 1+'J L_ any-thing __ court, they _
!d
rather see negotiatinns.
S. Bjuie fezfthaf a s F•'.,ed If S_4r Ra i•5°FPent,s S f,_da'gp_ 1-ag_�er'i.io r. r-3!t' tP he sRf ID]it 'afa
.CF f€ a4 -+ �-faa _a � '.JL _F4_� ,EP .33 � .f_+faL: .�
EcdefIatrfa`_''.r saiL there w ere #%,,iR_R cloc'K,s rui^fn1ng, find the si ' ilh,are•ek. Ra:lC-O'k:, i t
se?e'j2Z : the. FIltiieie;b1.,3sti_is are not ready to i_onced!„• He thought P_he€7; would be
making d very serious k-tiiutake. if the board feels it needy more
information, it should deny e!re1im1nary" subdivision approval mit!'? an
etoxt rl aP5 ti i Pthat
`aii t cannot
anoT ryke � d e ei Li on
iv i? w; � n s i e r i P � rf a ti o
n.
HJ-1. Van Cort said that the board had been advised dif r"ett1l; The c9;
t_r` y i.old the board 2id; they can E{ _e_t the environmental iePi4! into T
m
the subdivision ; w a need not g! is the peli _ in:u y approval !n i the
environmental ev•pw is completed. FH 1, V an Cort agreed with sh` _ :_ 3=
postponement.ent. j. I!'i ei burd said that their atttorneiy agreed with R.
s�'pp•''lia !•e e went
t o ,al, �! say that tt, i did rarl�'-it 're's'' the = ',tOCs% i-tilck
_i L•.Yf L3�3!L.•i , �i F'1 •t i !i 4 F.. _,�"€ °l.•.� .I i'� 1[,_ !'I'T S.f t!C the •_ •'ti:'_'.:f clock
T_F••.
e qd agree tohave both
o1 .1 __ks postponed, but not ckt `iThey
withdraw. FsS :h1 .tte^ said that if the hL7rbud_ 'yre
'f%liilit!q to go
on the.
aoragreeing toe2e both clocks suspended, it would be `co:EI: :ee to
hirii_
i,� iii eman:_ asked the board T'i`t''hy the g"ego!tlat!on process !i4`d to '.'_Ie
separate ? -_ the oPg 7 ""r Pi etel process. MI. VCort stated that pPeuyh
r egot1at?on•_, e7` !_a�i[i i,:har€gi_! could affect the environmental review, and
the i eFi`ie%w Lst�,'oi_�!s'`1 iia°°r'e to i".rse"• done again 5%,ith the new iiiS>_!PTPi'iii'i4in. V.
` I1 i asaid that she still believed that suspending "the environmental
review L4Fnit Fu•e!o•" le;a Gt 2 was
mistake.�9ke H.M. Van
Cort pointed •u t �9i Sa irt•';y>=
t ,... , .s{t i rF i T���!� 4 5''43 eT art !1"!i•_ ,_i�.b-. 1 °f�6 i a✓4:� !_ i.J�_i L that i�J L i ..
lafily for +_li3t ty,y dap S. it�.ii'i'l��fi!_i'6a� �iP^oi l.�qei,_ L.�i�! the i.,�+rlat that negotiations a
'mill incorporate some of the issuesand questionsin the environmental
review,r and that the environmental review was not being thP'!l''i'Stii v idt: S.
•ud?iP€iii € s told the board that they ha_>!e to have a definition of theE
pP^a_!bleP�f s in of deI.P 1.o negotiate sucl isssfta{7iy. Shat went on to a i; if LhF_'•y
going to receive the written iPB$a_ar maF.iEiP"i from 'i_he! € fTy departments,
W-1. `'ran i_o!Pt said
aid that the problems have been identified,
d4ntifiedwnd that
the
exact study iii7be determined by the negotintons. C. ±eirburd added
that
the e-nviro!P'tti?ePOtal review 't'`'s`'il: be going on in the P Ihnn€`ifng L•aepart'rn n . V.
Tf ill,e•r'r;ans said that :she lens+.,-is concerned that the board and the dC'.°+tFWolpe
believed that they could reach
an agP_eieP'f`iorit with the neighborhood. She said that she did not believe they
Could.
i, Wei ^i':u d'i 4h,° i :-iraa�Fed if he intended to do �+yy more
iia o ik _ir the i t J. L F. •.t L,'..i •d :. ...-_ LS�3'. 41 ! PY. � '_t•.. '.3!k^I i'r f 4 P E'•. ew f i -.P i
property, He told the i..l+_iard that at I_ iey have no intention o!f doingi"S p more
Utz.e,a _,a stated
1 t i. there seemed t .a irreconcilable
'S"!'!�P"�'�:. i� �i=:�i•i k'•:a,a :r;i_a�€_!_!.� •_i`i i1:_ S;i=_•s F.: _,F!!=!s I i �! !_[, ;(..
{ F. ,{ a hi
. that
s_ .r. a ti
!f e r^M o'a e• �1 1'S that
!a t seemed
•..1,.,. ..j inn
y e P°t F'! _t €e waste °_'� 4 rr e �'p p
�; ,•At p'.i ._- , and ._( .�._ i t si_.r?€;ih!i1 F_i! fits!° t(:a�l i i_ de:.1.a�°i � � + .:s-_� + .i..i•�
try f!; i�' sjowrs hots( =o� `°'e the issues `"riE_�_ tsr'u residents E_`dnd the developer.
_ _ - � , •.t- , with ei,_• r, =l�m�F: FLt ��: . €:_a�•t .
C. thi=t_ "d said that s ?= would iik= to v FM progress i P thirty d ay
=
meaning they would havea5 sense if there were i "r2io.o:lz';e differences
andq re--al iia •t 7 ? i Fahead, Sh Tea er it :F
aJ i'i i..i t e_ t ,.u i_� '1's T Fj not of F Y i�i:�:!o€,S: i!! �,,,1 a.�Pm t t s a i.,•'�i s�t there 'a'�F:�L, v
possibility
`s 7biiit of
.pia_i P �=€ information -a 3 d moving
_ , t g sn. . fie i s^trs r=t Lthat
he
thought there �� t3 be some input from the city, but the larger concern
Iy, that
hat Lu neighbors believe
J!iu - LhLt tLSi f irn a n`q{ review results will
J-
be such '� a i 'r-.ti�a indefinitely ::all, a th S"F '+u 1 [� - _5d i,_•u
Ithat
,;7_ shelve, r! 3"3 3 .t_t_ s_'. said does �t
1_L• ,.•b=-. P L 31 t P i ��!iL•F _ =..I$ l�.l iL F e �.3 i=J FFL �F=_ .
believe that l o be true, am 4that they
ey F ave a right to develop
eio ',
ie sroper_33,
e "t stripped `` S e r rights�_ i• develop The t•' e• r-', the.,, Shit`,i have
.-! k i .k E-��.
and t? i t _i^ the L 1 t�d i•_'' i'3-i the 1 l -t-'f_3 F�k 3-: L•'i t e L?•.i l d 6 k a S'e t:_ `i'_
to court and therefore be . ^JF` the power of the judge. He said he thoughtgh_
that (;ttig could be lost ,n negotiating, a d that =eru hiig could -
e
gained. S j a c k_ "n said t'of he believed t± yy! the extension of } N for
t C•{e
i3,3ard 1s a completely, dii!ersti!_ issue iro!i'i the negotiation. He said tii1jt t-3e
h a- very anaa _.rfL; i n seeing 7 r e ir .3 ",�ti i+ from tf u city enginu r He
did not believe that n extension! 3� thirty days should 3_! thought to an
J 3.1 i L• L i v _ _.€f1_ t�.'4 _. back
:� ( �� f i ,i?� �
inclination 9?s ;_�9e �F3_tard`!i t3_3 Uactom. away. D. Fi'-%3i-3c?s of 53.30 !ekpe.n3ml•--_°.r road t's_3jd
t 3 e board
ea d 1s, T re neighbors a ;e 7 co! m I t t e e f! ` nrg. i a T i • ' d that
ti'•` }'•.az t'9h rs ! the e"-• r�. i some w-:• involved
n
the e :F ,•..3.: t i 1, .. fee'! 1 1 1's has �.3_? L3 to e 'i t_3 C-1 t 1 1 1 i,i'i•'1 1' 3� !c r the
' go a.ir =. H. 'F. Van Cort said j _ e StttS_ll d only attend "the meetings i j
both the neighborhood 3:3_3mr'rjittee and the developer thought it ?_:!?utd help
the Situation. r. Bate 4 r al pointed ru t that there could db e other staff
members
.1 '' ILSL't'i' � 1 L-.
•r-i"i�=�'C"�< i'�' .�:Ufi'�it�?� •.dig' ti1L•L•3.1�'f��•_=
H.M.
. . an Cort said that
haL beLau:e the driveway € j= been _h'[gi!zed �L
problem since The beginning; there should be someone at
the
meetings who
?W3iuld E3 ovide i!:eryp`.e°:oSic 1njo( matIon. R, ':3m:{i]tothei' brought E_€3 the
bnad'= attention
uo ti_s ioconcern
o eFabout t o thirty
i ` y da..f y�, ; e asked
when
fei {he
_ _a_L -tlta- going
to meet again. S. Blumenthal said
that the
a\ _ meeting
a _ing
of 7Tde board w3_3uid be the 3 I th Tuesday 1n kitpri1. R S3ehlathe✓r io!d the
board that he thought thatS. Blumenthal, as Chair of the Board, :shouldetc-,;fi
Thu developers if they Fterequesting
:qte:t- g i e Board t isuspend f. t "
c_1 ?idetejti_rof 'their application with a _1 --_spoE1i, g ,v~3veT of
the
subdivision rne11rN, and Y%, : r �r -_ e•i�f Sht z i agree s" =end a letter
saying 1r . L they v`Cwilling L t have th1s postponed . ail 3_he next eaiing.
S. B1uri;ur3!_ria1 'old the board that she would life i_d_3 set some deadlines for
?_ e city reports nd the negotiation Y ?{ing•._. H.11. Van Cort = ==tRd that he
hoped to ge° _ ccity department itir a$io( L.oei1iina YveyG. V i'i:i!e.r'n,;t8
asked i j i u board T_ ld list i _ studies TfJe A'Ft ee being sone right Ai
that L:S _ F l i be c
! co Sie_ d inx __ thirty-day perj Ta t LL3 s✓ ri suggested
that t- _ board
_era go. a comment - Building ✓_m(`� i==i 1 r _r T. Hoard
t-d _ f e
i•--' cal
i- ? u !--R•'!s? - 01111
^+i `- ;.'. aa,a >_,:,-,:..:e.{;.a -� i. " ", ,":Y the
u
i R t€I �,i,_.a i �.t {Yci 3 g�I, ,C E R/C-•�-(eF i i`•_ �•C (€ !� E. _k•1�f R it:.•R_i{=.:a d t g a{ €J i s`i C i F r e iv s_: F+:_T'::__ -!= .'[ _:a•_
€at`i vUFAPtay, 1-! R_R!1! the ,_.F ty eiiUS neer on a_h9.J.• R31 +J{ii��e, end tf of#'3! i✓!ty f ra! E i'.:
Engineerqqpp. i9R_R}-rii_Ra`: on traffic.fic. !-1 !�!trrliri•1Fiigs • ked E. IR1--^p.^.teadt it �•'e j"tad
�••'1 _ � .... Cummings.R- '�ti..r=J L.. Olmstead if:•.�= _J=J ,
any
ii{! f -'t1on frortthe city-wide study
That could
oald beattached
efac{ed !_ this
site epe!1S9_ information. E. Olmstead said i aj he had not received recent
..
site plans, biT ti r some .}d plans
las -e could
o. lJ eay that
ar ih e L•Lfe N -;-o
_7em
:
Yviyh the slope it the road, the sha-p t_ `` in the road and the limited
_ „ _� � 'JJf-Rt _sR _ess to itiJte ' S. _urringJ stated _h }epy `t ^er _ s[ _ _ !d
rrake those plans availableto E. _l3s_L; j. =.
H.1
1. Van Cort rraF_'!riR-i€TRned he has seen cases :,iAtr'ere 'thenei, �"iP_RBTRE?€T€i_RR� a9nd the
€ eve l oper, j r ter negjS al ons, ended p f3j ti l king to each other and ended
up 7r court. He said he thought %,,v`j t 5ti�_ promising aE _ _ this .itua_{;r was that i p i e t h i P e n e p g r (;R[R R€TF o d a n:� the developer are i{t F i t i R t n�� are
_ 14 _ it: k, i.�.i• 1`i-. J J:i-� li•� {� =..'+r`•r '`ir''. E t : t'-_R a,
-1 •1 �' {,j said
J P has
been
talking
} l jj 6., Judy
Saul,
._.,.^ .�,.f
€TR r`�%o r°i 4 a�r i:..i themselves R.[I talk. i!R�! :�:i�t R,� !PN_. ,t a�._: loe tr.�!c R ,_i�6 1+.i t^i 6�{' �r�R ,_,..j 8�tR ._=:..R i_n., 7 c t
"i•;.: Community iC:i:�i�R��:.R_ Resolution 1✓�€�!t er'. She a�:ei€•..c•R� �:�!e u.��ier- the::� i i+�r is{:r-i€-
�
Board L!=L;`'m€i_�3d g8.8 or! the record as bung in favor of the rRroceof
negotiation, "ta iAt:ul d etr=e the negotiation process. S Blumenthal a rt
I! - s a,_n 6 !e , r�aji ' p[R e Lkt e�a , 3i_ ti St R'' `R id deo: de€ that i 4 aSs,
s i. �t'ci.: r i`a ! •r"i E.1 _ �t �_�F, ,._r 1H.M. n r"
would draft a r es'=_Ri tion regarding the board's opinion, which H.M. Van Cort
'Rii:ised 9_i8Ri to the boar? The board discussed f a-e details of the resolution,
,a R_:R,pq of is at 1 chad to 1_he official icial r NR_or d '_:opy R_Ri these Minute''. V.
T'8,l re ,'`;ar"4s said that she 'it+fad:_; beginning to feel that negotiation -ofeF"'•`_'• being
pressed upon
pTn them. Sr C _- i e d L - saying
` ying that _ a felt that
fai t r e board
5r; expecting j lot from thN negotiations process. R. : .hss7hhr suggested
€ si
.E 9 � r � "' =_ � -{ � ! _ �e'_ _ IIrS _e_E _
moved that -re. finalres. le be removed and theamended -e=ij_ .ion
passed. T. i✓oLTRi•irSg!"iasm se€..i_Rrided. Aye: 6, 0 rRa°iye:e:.
Resolution
Whereas H?-"s e Craft B! !l N s h a- a Jqi-.sted approval
S `lval ' - r; subdivision on
for Esubdivision on Spencer Road ' t .si iig of 12 structures LArth 24
.a.a.ei•r,l s:!g units a••.1:R_`,,r i as f t,T.(3 C_c2 i-'s, a r t
Whereas certain questions have berf a" =im d by' the surrounding remier t___l
neighborhood od Rei_IrRce ring the Treetops ptyipR_•oti and
i ( '• -7-
Whereas eSe's t!''e del � re� and he neighborhood h'!ood tare iY13. ec:i_ ga S'inek q•hu �
.±�{__. _fit._= 1..: tFt°•-�=.:�!_tl:_ +�i�_ tl._ i._ 4�'{�:._i�i._ r: =_ '�e'"dr:,,3=• L �-
prstbi{ity of resolving .he issues r is_d through eti?#€
�e-7 gq brio 3._ and
E!�•t�t_€i_3 L[.�L•E't t•,
Whe! eai i *!1e use of negotiations
'i.• �e{og'.!ons allow
{1_ ILie developer
e{e€ _per and'
- e n
eighjF ho.d
1o retain cor`i over the outcome of the
approval
- ea! ^S " e _.
Not,
therefore
here or_ b4 it resolved
that
frt the Planning =nd De f2l`iF"t Ln Board
hereby endorse the negotiations 7 _' ; being undertaken by House Craft
Builders and the neighborhood's representatives.
•? "'{ Van Cort `�{d that he thought that It. was i�;important that the
n eig�3i,��..tITl:lity€i_,f and the °"�Id3+.!;.�.el:€�€e defi ne and 1'�enti ti what at a oncei"n+V 'f€•"t n!
about the subdivision. S. Jackson son told the neijhborhood that he €i d no
think the,
would fel like they were be ng pushed~ i't_ the negotiation.
.
aj Blumenthal thug stated th tL' the
discussion € 9 the negotiations 1ere
closed ❑ would rodiscuss t h rezoning issue. _" rsaid
�n� tL�. t � f
E!a{y� ..z the
r„� t"i €.- j E� �'-1 meeting i•1 45(', 1 f T% u Neighborhoods.. i;i_`i.p. •g
1.1 :_i-. SJ!. •.3{e ! 1arcis _ .: SEt••e,.i33g €Ji i_the Ht€_•i.4:_ 1 g and
Facilities Cf€r"'"pmittee there e %e;as a pre sent ai_ion by the neig}"{iCi[r'{ltod on the
survey that they had undertakem The board decided, in 'flight of the fact
that the Pianninq Department was doing a :survey, to wait to hear from the
department before making a decision.
R. Francis, of 5.__! Spencer Road, began i_I:_; restating ref?sor'!s for the r"eqtle:a„_
that i t " y jri' tfei = be suitable and
_k _e:4n_y to the conversion of their
area from R2A to RIA. The change ng was recommended for the following
reasons:
1. To preserve an! encourage a family neighborhood.
3 o ttco ra!_ge long-termc _cupaic.iand avoid
3. To encourage owner occupancy.
41 To prevent %,,,orsening of traffic problems on an already
overcrowded road.
3T�!_{ preserve ��rf `r"y!€e 9i.:rfa¢� `hq{ '13i1: t':e
!! rt3l+i€�i'FrW3�-'t±r"r`€_€€_€G
beliiev€a:� i,€j be an �.�estheti c.allq pleasing =•ai'r"d reasonable asor{abl pac:ir"{q
'r r( ctpp rye`.ees which is a major •qy e ` '=e " to the are_iwe•_ parkland.
€ri i �t i 4.•{'_°.i.�3 t•s= F 1 1 I!�•1 3 ,.. S..{ gate 3.=s i�-'!f S...S t�' ,.j_i L F 14.• tI 3 = •..F •..
t.t_trEceFr'Eir}!, the Treetops ee .tps WIdiiig pr-tipos3i: the neighborhood ',ara,'ant:_; to -8-
i:_; ure that they are! in the process:= of pulling t ogethe!r, negotiations. I he.igl
fool i.?Eis zoning change is the EFEo`:!,: p?'-t_tper avenue for the neighborhood to
take.
V. il l e Y _ come fo - a_d todiscuss the survey hhih `Ys taken by L e
Spencer o ad residents,
_vidFr __ to ti_118;r their tt - information and to
give
Lie
board s4rN additional information. _t%Ted that t 'h 'aiets are
aware that t `1Irir" survey is r'E o 1. I_?'i it rnost accurate, ir![E Ij they i!r'N aware t7!i•
the department's ! r'a:f':ey Wi'`e presented e! i_d i_ 1 data
a informed 's_h board
survey. _t;�. ,.r" r�E�. r �'t��y' L�s ��fEt� .fi? , r�if':r _ � .. �:
that the p:r eliminar data P�euld be provided to thtet:_;et interested.
P. 1•1az_ rella defined the o(€jEAt 1:ja'=e s and the differences of the Planning
Department's st _din comparison to the Spencer Road residents' study.
here were some differences in the surveys because the Planing
13'r_°!ptar"t(FiF!:yni i• trying t!! collect are,
itr'yF'ie information in anticipation itl° y!IS her_
things that may happen iISE that '.,tr�L FJ.g In addition to the information�!r_^tn about
the types !_tE buildings and
the size t_!{ the lots, the Planning Dert•_ta 7_}F!erF!. i
-i' ? =1 r.i%ir ,"u,8-rtiilns :t 1 itt ',md Er i`,F,P cLi,-? u✓_`• t 1 , i i i a a
ja:v=!_- ar_.•,r i E t� _�L�1 v _ _,-=a:,. :t�'l..P.... .. .;: �.. _ __;Ir..•i'_.. :�"1!�! !i_;i;t.i r °�'.e� ,1`'F�iJ._ t h Sj
occupant's 1 t e r_• ,n},_ _ t t e, r towards i Spencer
a r'i t.:e'f F'E L• i-_=J what F i�-. €:� a_F E N i r� Cd,_ i T}_�, t_ I_t!,4'`a�r-!"e; I i�N I I f, S!I a d,
'r? what a 'i':e'-a i t A a� i` they i•1 in t t make.
i�1,+� to I a___F L)[.1 ons r-i:�: t[t f i E�i r_ houses ._?r 1� �!r"Q_P�!N r"t i E'.LL; !�!l t-t i din a ,_!•
H.M. V Cort-} ,..J-1-i•-p d that a .p 5•t'- a n i s.'e'a department i s i�'.L••i n q u_; 1`
C a.P = '`}as F E i_.a_,r l �, UI i 4:i f F,h::� _:a i�F i.:1r_! �I i..F F.r r d?t t..t yi•= asking F l F.� tt•.r=..••��i el r,:n:
S 6•.1 -i t:'pati
�,ti^..,family
el�tr ! ' t are
f`G La.�'_I' '' 1 E' LSC
e:ISrpt�:r_!rlSirit..E iriE:etrF'iv t_ii_:SoE_dpa ioriJ 1aaylfe:EE_ _:1z_ i7`•�L arr rel :FE a. t.l� their
s�=ti. ..l es 1..1+" 3. t `y rea .. t•1_ 1F E. `_I eve opirne a re a. T. C 1i e11.i i.g EE l a�F E
�t,i E ,.F}+.? r t L•U is:=; aJ •_I r F a s F} i F E E •� t� •} :l_t,.a E a_•r i�. a, __ _ __I I. r-F
asked if AF e two- survey yeai correspond i area. Fl F_-u.z i_e i1y said 1 t."{Y
the Planning Depa .rtents areencompassed alof SpencerRoad
and part
of
- Meadow So "eemoJ c •.«Y asked her the results of the survey * . 41
be ready for t ea,''ivti;',a} by the boar? P. Mazzar ell1a uctld the board that he
�_._ { Ar._ r_Ar s
i'iJFEning department expected tFEFe• data collection t.ion t?o be tcor-F'Eptle!ted by the
I __.. r Jf J,F -t
f oil owing ,_ :_I t!s�:,:-;tt F d r?i Vit'=}t P'.,_E that f�'i_. boa f_i':�r 4� wait unti r ,hey y h a ai="r_: the
results of the suie l . r Zdiscuss 1 d make a recommendation of the
rezoning. = Albanese
:_;e1•t:t_6r idie.t ,
S. Blumenthal J(2_tld the public_: that rie{;t r[ti_irith the board '',}i}!_told review i.het•
rezoning`y issue and makea recommendation to the ConirFE n Council.y, M.
Ar,(_t i_ti}ese asked what ieS.'�•i�l ramifications theretht€ftl.�il l� �9 f'• if 41EN board
proceeded with the zoning change while t h developer ' a_ in the approval,
process for s prfIL A in this s -ew He thought
that the beard witEpild 4i4f`arit t!t
:.-ivuid anEa potential litigation af_1or there and see how things work out with i't•-e
t, .� 'r.. ... -..i�ad E- 1 there,a=�. '�J _ 1 f a '..F 1 1�•� 'i S=_! F'•. L 1 1 i=.1 1 the
r�a7 a be i� re ei�_j - e `].. .s i3 F any
f". .l comments e '� ..1.r ?rtri"r!'•q a..'a
p t F :__t�te:._ i_..�t ore �, _tis E_,�.Fo.Fit! i='`i-_�1 _ E_�! i r E a _ r�a!�f E_:r i _ t',i ,.. ,11 t}.y. _.
l {re ta l stated Efa! there r d been( a motion o_ tkfloor, (9wait _' iE
.
'.F '": inext mtVetiFig to I.EJEake airy decisions regarding the ,'`I!r'=Eng change. AyP`'v
_. 5: :•1 a:a e=_ 0., abstentions J M. Sampson.
I . !.!-€`ei•'•.iY"l!yYlaYel toItd the b ard that h e be1,ievled that a re €_€I1_jti o n o -9-
s-
9
-;i'l'of rt jF'�' S a i!ld�{ P e j•!�.j F'! y 1+• ��1g €1',- E.E_E Y'}xr-x�€F� !.oL1 !671 .xro 5,571`�] !`Ee`�PEre
_ 3 3._,e Y'i I e_e,•;._ ._;�,�,.d V m€•� E�Y..•_ 9 J.T�i.! F..3•�.:�t'f''.x _. .. f'!1 T i�>i� •� F� i! L !i .,I- _ '_ _
YriaKing � d- i:eiion tri thi, ,=i�.t%'•,. i,_c-ise. S. 4_I_�r"rlrrlings seconded. a� Y1i�!_!t::� In
opposed the r-1�esolI_.rtio s, sa�e{Fni! that to claim that, n this r€aY>F i€_E.iI�F-
i x{{ ty 1 'Ir. r ! e( }jSd 7 F Y"x y x ems`•i i -f _
Ji i.iia ?!".€Y�, €.3� .-.`oi�.34{E_ [1 .Jh ,r_iI=r !! I..i[t !E_,7 •_he Planning ng Door
r.J,•-
-• .•;' ml e q d f i i ,5 I f F_• 11 S"' !.'S F-I nos
1 F_ ' 6^ b_
reComm.._F a T I i I!.o�.1�§�.�?__!�€ i•e Y i_•p_. Y-?=y1 Y r!.. _!. j.I.•I Y�e�::� }E`. stated E.)•�a t t 57,,7 fi-I i��_ the�W [t!€�; !�
•r",ou1di be x _€ ng 4:td€`l:iild be c,'n01 i _F_ �e �!?i e E1F-xt-! r{-'.le:!€Y[�{'-[j(!g}E�l�-(TirF F This �!!€�!E!`E
iS •r • ?1 J FF .i F!I .1 Yk-..� r !.. rY'3 Y'...F� _ _ _ia >n. . I'!S e' ..!
```'t__ I! be .ta t," t?Yq :'1 os r �-€I�� r i n!q, bi. the_ C�. e.?Y Ii'v i; •Sn!eiF 7 i deal =;Yr t"_ r;E�i+
t ! P E
the resoI u., J n they w? r . ,L.F e sold { L etrlfx71 e -is a Case 4re a t he board i
_
$it o-"�r.^t r -o- C'e•' .� e_a 3 i•F• q.. t_ ! e`• ,` •} s r t !•I•' r'e
+_: !�?rlq� a6 rFla t..a�s i��,E}�-!Y' l�•.:aW, YF Ftd•�?i�I_i�lrl Yi�ttF��'Y �rI�I Y". +_e+S�i Y-_Ee�'��!_?E_!Y'�. !_.!,€E,.16•�/fiE�ti���1
t"h Li moved th+fit. the Board ej,_ 8-_f t of a°YSnw f _ F=.•i Yl Ipost-ono .YII >_ _
S
action on rezoning the area until
the Board has had an r!cpE_ertuii?tu to r4?ve
��,,ERegI_!af!_ t"'onsideraf i=_!I ¢o ?'he t-jF_+,r'i�_ of the E€ !!posed :r' t'•§�E anIt
d tE�€ Y'!�i
report 'to C _1ni Y i _f E�tlon •?dti f t Yd]t _. �s i_ = ; D_ Stated that
i f
. _
Could 6 i 1 d b e'• e e u {r�"e' 1_i i F"e e! with t t -,ti•�t^ I q !_! A ;"•^ }"I� �e'cseparate
.C. r a(J fr 1_:1!Y"1"1+e :€ye 4.•t r F peg t;+yF 1 F:•r p x{'�a 1 F., .ey.l.F Y I.1 _ !f�;:,..e-;t c!_€,F 1?I Eti _
k,LI Y t 3 F r!l�4 e p', '`J Y I d �f l['a' i.1 1 L: Fm•t i t"1�,f l i t ``l 1 p4'��i B t 1 S.4 Y'I Y J`StI ! 1.E..€P l t C, !f`• €i-tf just EYE Y#IJ
E iY eCtion. .i i. Van Cort -told the i�!!_E•Lt.rd that he felt that .,wr. 1 F?7l..lYl?Y'E1..1 €.1eF_,4:i on
o3t !r it I t ae E o3•i t it, p[_-Et�:Fr;•y -t'En �_L a I $Feu !E'!a i F should d e!_.E_EY�e._;"E,_,YEi
v%,, to .� ..I (F'r .F�� _Y"1 L R. - tJ: U i 1 '/F•_ y .">� recommend
F s _1.•r
trIot the C,* :iI %hid s?€" tof tth,J ir'II t_€r Y7Ia°io aiId Y`Io!. takN .YEu ate,•ci i!_EY1 ung?I '}F-E,•r_''•
staff s. <ey i,rCompleted.
oYpjete, . y. r 1_ if Ni I Y ;i e} t ed t FeL. C fFZF t E ur t,_
i_P.F!
}_• !�r€E"iEt€Y ��€€la`'P`:t_11 ''i5'E"E?� I�YI�_iI U. tlI+�YIY:i11ly :_l��I� �I's� €-°"Y3 ! (€Y`i;I€I€ �t?€„� �1'rI� f"f1u
board makes a recommendation to make u decision or., jhe r e^of1:,q `1
.
Spencer Y-�{ad. Aphe -t. nay-Is ” I S�, ,_�aet€.:k.soYi.
NYtl,td B1='t —e__ - PNI?ffiY �E - '_,. i:Ldi„i ;ilY . f_';,"?eJ1_:-E 13 FFesi_ Industrial Park.
M.H. Jones descriomeJ,
bu means
p�€ a mop, the area %%,F1eY'E_'. the E_:ons ruE:iEY-!
t
�,i1tiEuIcl to k FB_. pI€�3:w, Sht,'-x. sS_a`ed i.1lu`� J o(�In Nitya r ha.�.�L J i:e-t_I e FSe i Liia :y '•�rbaii
fir'et'1�._}7,7;bi t%€yen q for 1 5 acres !_it Iai°Id in tete 1.S1erYIy `'iarex•et Indus-11_Y ? I PGf�'•.:
for cl.!,nstruE-•t3on of a `'F'S:'o4Ed``tfE.!rki,`•.g shop. The request ku-js been a !-! €"€}••.`_e•E.3.
Ti he request is to have I and for a f f Ii I#w.{l€i�•'•.i;Ig OpeY-it i oYI. Na'=d'dY-;- need-,:--,
ErYI3€EI:eyEi IaiId to c !n,3,,'i r u1€:! a !.e1•! L{10 i P."1nE..! sE]Lii:-;re i!!_!t re{uiIdiiE.:,E{. rv3 t tI the
t _e s r I i�4 a i r ry if, y y � MIA i � !�n e said that the 1!ee q_:i(,:-.i1 ''!7•¢`!i_e i d
!E_.t!°! E,i expand Intl € Y'E�IWY'Et, ±.I`. €_
IAF leab•i €� ��I Ii�CI ? Y !!_! rF •r u y .f i �e t•"- PSPi�-
,{ e?Y"I" € 1 !�E :1:I IY91.1 C.F?Y' i [ -N l.�Y" i F!ya I , + I!Ee E�I i`• the E? :(I °`'1:(_•_�F t I E
t!ke Iea ISng range. The r�o]e p is e 5!'''{oui d be �a }8.00C, per acre. T.
f C k i 1 F a t"1 o-..i L� i v" j the ,-F' i Y i r"d it • ti 1-!1 e,
,r t.E+_!1+:Y`.Ey�,a�:[: asked I'r.€�!. �..,!!t I�'•_ $ ,_Y'i r! ( t=!F I l:r I Y•I F!1 E-I parcel:6'€=f'•: E_€I' I i:�.I• 't!6J L =� �:i-�e =_
.q s -•-• t I t I! r.e t Ee!Ye a Y"is r; w e r e E_:!�Y•i''e_'I'" i_'.U. {-' :o I e:ti a !€` I_ E a.`t =h e
!�!Y E_:F!. :r•__ �'�r i��= 1 ^•� .e Y- !1� I _ r Y _ i-_•.:I Y I I.H. ,_ r ���`�'! f. _ _ .
believed that I remainder !`! 1�e € €� `Ft • "I u sellable. M ` a t E la! E
_I.�`. a['.F a�t _the i t §I:�?F I�t'•Y� _i the I i=7!I •t�,(�t I,I�!r �!_ :e;E+I I�_I _. •d+ar Y' I�. i.
moved f or t1he ;rel i I;,nu approval al o pro�"!l 1�x.€_:l. S. e�•a U--:-;�lY! P; '[:!e€-d d.
6! - to Fes 3`i Next month ;t Cs 1'"t7c i"rr 5P g 5!ili {..e' held -!d i-iF"a3
A-
yes' 6, x'al-E=- Next YrIEE1I=_sa •.1 •I_�1EI Ftp :I_•rY a1�;y ?':ill f L k' !iE :,r 1I . i I`•�i
Approval dcted on.
The p€_E`._;S4 hl. r-Fa.€yu`_'st for ri °aeli mi naafi q approviali:i osubdivision o properly a€.
74!,! I^as E-adi 11-a
s:
7y t va IE_istr!EE er'eE ID e1!_-I!r•e I•h � ar x i•`e!ii _;aid E_`I
E r. ti 1 { s=I.[as L•,_ �F'��_ �'• >_ :� 3I � Lv •1_F.i•� IF•_ 'I•_il frli Yl=� LE• s. F•
F_YI"ly nee- ed nnoI- e t?Yrle I or i YlF` es i gat i on.
At C.(eis point, Director H.`•1. 3':tan t„:tt(t i'r_ft the E(Re€_?tiC"R`YI: he ``i41t(. s rep,aced b � -1�•- �
Deputy D I f .fe 3_o r P. 1 f,_i z;:_5_i a e l l a. ,
fP to -=e,J Repo-` � S _1� 3. � Li -3'7 Gr-!3 handed` �! 'list
16 the
f_.i_teeRC(Ra t1_�. m _t,_f iit_ji Plan. i . Mii�{. e.•_irella f4i�CPS_Ii�!d ou a >� i_ 1 ,_�1
members C'k:i I;:r,_ I= the f e iJ!j S,a�,T•t� 1 E_:e a Y f' i T E,€_!f�e that a tM1 h e M fN o r h a-i S 1'-e t-€�i'!'�:,_-f 4 TI a..R e
"("'' C�.. _:gI (� _ i��i if=_ a -�' eoCatJ a�=�,__i _ . t-
' .1_ Ct 3!�(' t `ht!!R{!(! be t ! Fi !e, t�'i! j1,1i1�lSn'j} el {' a, 1i t e }1rs t
.r .!e t C"! 1 �6 . d � {.�! 1't _ f f"R.� Nevk' C'_4 C R S _ f 3•�:'•.
' 1�e f !€e i_l-e t i1 [`e ize themselves e1vie with the Strategic !".1 a S C!e,"�,eni'rag
`e"a .�.•��`� _ R•�((R I R..a�� R��'(f.__.,t , -_ `a a a r R Plan.f�i�';. _. tt,,._,( t F a a a'_
expressed her displeasure ''?'ttith the 6i:_;t_ She 'Y'`ea:_i annoyed that the
members were mostly
ssti, fo civic a' o_Rat!o( s and that the committee
_ mikiSe
`iva
s
lacking in people who were in the business: builders, 9rCdi_rds,
architects, developers, et_. P. azT1elaJ told S. eu'3R( 7( g:_ that - _aL(
names `:fAfte ^e suggested, but those names were not approved. He added that,
the list could be s. pple( ent_d. T. _ okingnrn said that
the o?!ia thin the
aa - lobby
foradditions
1 r B't'u 1ra S. r' t.P r•i i asked
what
L€�1 a C�tJ can t�! f,.f 3 i �:_ e.,�€r,,,ly �':1 a��'��,�Lt C'E:_ _.�! the R'. I yt!.. _. �i'.$a( rJ•a'P=.�"R�'a r�•:=r:�!a
the board nt ed to do. K. Evans 3a'd that 1e board s 4_ld suggest - e
names. T e board
1ard !tscLseJ specific a Fa and� C]f�rf a_ that Tfeywould
suggest to the Mayor. S. Blumenthal emphasized the point that P
Mozzarella
zzaJl1o FFad_ to
.N Jnames
a. Ns7rJm : iF boar?
oarJ _hr added
dJed tlat tr e board
1a !
? Fees 7 process to tet more names. S. :uCf?Cg= said that she would call,
Doug Dyl7a, to !gut orCaesSBlumenthal said that he would meet
with & :_( rirgrto discuss names. S. e .i .__tsuggested sending za 1eaTa
-
to the Ma!!o_ tha+ woull a state the _ i eelif Ii `lthough a
distribution of people from euni areas isimportant, .f re is y1=iay
need for people with different expertise. K. Evans added that the board
should ruy-e t someone n h o would ad - si such p! _'le s a s: lack s c
a i I€..!C-d a b e=_ (R y!�i i Cie g, f ow a 'ta[:sr:fL•y Ci t, f or e =_C t!.o i houses, and _'v,?; _f •:i on a t 1a! _
hither density housing. S. Blumenthal said that she would 'i'tt i i.l--_`• a tetter to
the a J=r_CP addressing ,.e L• board's ^L=(!, i n-i•
011fusirmy — East Hi11 Study Report. P. Mazzarei1a presented to the Llloard
the results i€f two
surveys.
uteys. Ong survey `yas an attitude Survey
ui fiey vli c(
i
covered 0of the households in the East HAstudy area. Student{ f
1
€r
^1FCl6 conducted theinterviewing for the survey. Subjects ' l ded:
parking, housing, tat!((i((!erciai development, city services, number of cars,
hLr- they parkedrked their cars, --,AFi i -lives in f e house, nh-t tip e of I ii
i,
arrangement tree_'• have, age and occupation. For the attitude.de. :=;uC a' ey there
'thrtere 333 surveys 1==llecte? This represented over 1000 people. The
^rrrt1 t_ of the survey were
(eeha 751% of the
households surveyed
s -v_ a were_r_
vrCeC occupied, 69%3 were renter occupied. People were geiJrally
favorable to their' housing fonditi_n. Some comments on rentals -,wer
e
that
landlords a' _CC sl'b _ati 'a _a^tof
the ?kiit. i_ re e5rer.__ thought that the
=_pp1yand =fCJtion of C _Ctai housi 'q ttils It _entors= than the renters
themselves thought. lot of dissnti sf
a•=•,..•ieij€n e:xist v,,tithf. Tih.'a quality of
rental ho siny. Renters redly don't _merto teCI bad about the CtC((o!„i(!._ of
rent they :9_Etl on East Hill. The number of peopI' Ei1nk,.ed on -'i'sr{ sf.reet
not as high as the delpae!men? ;='.`••ape€_:ted. Parking is the universal prob N'n.
The number t7'be_ of !-EeoWe pa p"kiF .1 on the -i r ee %,fiias h'P'` as E,t2gI{ as 'the
' '- d rtr= iFP',S expected e number of cars owned b.',-I, p.ople in Ct{s le!'veSi'n
rri :
r = 3 �I9pp9 ^^ _ i�J! { iJ " _mo _J ^et - �t � PW`? ' `
parking r t;Ee.
Nl_bod_ liked Th' shove i em_vaiP. iAi1r :areilal said that
ilt th
e
second
survey was
an 1ni_pt' L_ ( )_% o1 the Bryant
Park neighborhood to
determine home ownership vs�i. rental occupancy, and .g1fs ar_
r ev -.r^F-. Ef F-i '2P" i eib _ have been inspected, i rr_s {:_ 9°_• o� r e-r=Et
e i E_.{4 ET t E{!i t 1 3 i l 1 E f •'E`R�!�:. to��a:�.�� a t EW: r.S r„��r: and�!W a _•Em=_•t!�•4= _+7 rE a +_E�!1.•er t„..i
_':WILE'. P.
•''7 7';3m l� showed 11" s t••! B' {�• ' I^ i i!p �i 1 fPi `3Ef F1 _
} �.__. ! I P !� :!a� ='�e'�':'i •i =.E3 ! areas :�� a� �l:, 9.l� 5 a n !E:'!{IEL:!_:jy;Ea_od. E .
MazGa�I{ell:E °FESd the board that 3{�e schedule for the East Hill gpre"..e{itate,tior!
of proposals -Y 1 lat be in pritE and Maq,, :
_ � d a call f o' public
`bl1_ hearing n _u a
with that puii1a hearing in !111 The zon1iq changes J
would be adopted �i�
=Ug tA t. -- B'I!tI rr 'n . !a ll sold
o1d t at t hW board
_nr? suld get
the propos-al
_p__a! a L the
:
tail end.
S.
Blumenthal told E.4�J E..E_EmEi{1tfdi'e that they fteedee,��,a ?E_! .fake `:R vote on Erie
_. E_IE..:EE rE�l 9 W
problems h "th fe permit r:v1ew process issue. T s _ .if g i'rn briefly
discussed te _ . l=er . He said that thesubdivision iE1ei'eprocess
e . la e m L consist if• �a i rity: schedule, ri rd coordination. "ere is u
problem 4,ei i7ke p_=i,_o»-.ed a. . e -r=a id [[ : would •s te board j_a` a"dpi a
resolution ie`ath ich i`4=[uld require e the C omf on Council it o recognize ogniz he fact
that there 1r a problem and to look at the problem in n3E_Ere dept". The
_. !"T t e 1_ asking E e board '1r .5 positive eiew. S. Cummings Evvd, S
.
'_a a E_:,'='{a"' seconds! Ayes _a: f i a y e e=' 0.
11
Jackson ru,2 eSve 94 the board at vea_ going 9rwith t fkrneT s
ta-kket, �. Jackson
a: .sot c ied out
what
at _"he .orn jit;ee roughly
o_ ghlgihas i-g r ee d
t
o
as an outline wI1_h has _ix categories. The committee will change some
of
the r9! sI 9 and Er ? 1tback IhborPa E" :. i " . ir like to have this
_outlII : circulated arrttg the
board nrleJr.ber +.
ri!'liE--ova.§ 9 ;1F}!a'EE"E°'• ••. ' ..{{Its!'
haIE rnart's+ E'•eDOr t - None
fii!,��I E E.fE�I r"r I Sy!�:•1 Y•�I.1 lJ Y"3?E.,�i"i t
ZONING APPEALS MINUTES
Planning and Development Board
March 25, 1986:
Codes and Administration Committee members, Blumenthal and Cook-
ingham, reviewed the zoning appeals cases and determined that Appeal
1685 should be discussed by the Planning and Development Board. The
remaining Appeals presented no issues of general planning significance.
Mr. Cookingham presented the Committee's discussion regarding
Appeal 1685. He said that Mr. Lower was requesting a reconfiguration
of a dwelling at 241 Linden Avenue where nine apartments and one room
would become five apartments. Mr. Cookingham said that since there is
a temporary moratorium on building permits and certification of occupancy
in this area, and since Mr. Lower is proposing the addition of one more
room (person) greater than the existing configuration, the Board should
deny this project based on the fact that there is a moratorium on building.
Mr. Lower came into the meeting and Mr. Cookingham reviewed his
statement. Mr. Cookingham stated that basically the decision of the
committee was to suggest that the Board recommend denial of the variance
to the BZA.
Mr. Lower addressing the Board stated he was not proposing to in-
crease the occupancy of the building. He said be believed that he would
actually be decreasing the occupancy of the building because the bedrooms
would be too small by N. Y. S. Housing Codes standards of square feet
per bedroom. In that respect, he said that he would be cutting down the
potential legal occupancy possibly by one or more. Mr. Lower said that
in his opinion he would not rent to more people because he does not believe
it is right, even though it would- be legally possible. He went on to
describe some of the structural changes. He said that the interior walls
would be replaced with 5/8 inch sheet rock that would improve insulation
and upgrade the fire safety of the building. There would also be separate
bathrooms. Mr. Lower stated that he would be happy to go over with Mr.
Hoard the number of occupants that the New York State Code would allow.
He believed that his proposal would decrease the number of occupancy in
two ways. One way would be that the bedrooms would be either 120 sq. ft.
or just a bit over 120 sq. ft. ; that those under 120 sq. ft. would be
limited to one occupant. Also, the building is an eyesore. Mr. Lower
told the Board that his interest was not in using the building to make a
profit, but rather to transform the building that is now a "dump".
Ms, Cummings asked Mr. Lower how many people are currently in the
building and how many would be in the building after its conversion.
Mr. Lower said he did not know the exact numbers in order to answer
Ms. Cummings' question, but that he did not intend to have the bedrooms
occupied to the maximum. He added that if the BZA decided to limit the
occupancy to eight people that he would be happy to comply. He restated
his comment that he wanted to improve the property, not exploit it.
-2-
Ms. Cummings commented that if Mr. Lower was going to take an eyesore
property and improve the quality of the building and not increase the
occupancy, that would .be fine. Mr. Cookingham mentioned that the com-
mittee based their decision on the existing configurations , and under
the new configuration the density went from nine to eleven people. He
added that if the. Board felt they could condition the variance to limit
the number of occupants that there would not be a problem. Mr. Lower
said that he would be in agreement with the conditions that.the Board
put forth.
Motion: Mr. Cookingham, seconded by Mr. Sampson, moved to recommend
approval of the variance to the Board of Zoning Appeals with the condition
that the number of occupants be limited to eight.
Mr. Jackson expressed concern regarding limitation of occupancy since
this is difficult to enforce He suggested that controlling the number of
rooms seemed more feasible.
Vote: Vote on Mr. Cookingham's motion resulted in 5-aye, 1-nay (Jackson) .
Motion carried.
Discussion continued regarding Appeal 1682, 106 Sears Street. Ms.
Cummings said that the area had recently been rezoned from R-3 to R2b
changing the density allowed. Ms. Cummings suggested that in the Board's
report to the Board of Zoning Appeals, the references to family residential .
use and reducing its attraction to families be dropped; family was never a
reason for the zoning change. The reason for the change was to prevent
residential units from being torn down. Residents are eager to have the
rooming house, which is an eyesore, converted. Chairman Blumenthal also
suggested that the phrases regarding family be deleted. Mr. Jackson
suggested that the Board mention only the reason for the zoning change.
Ms. Cummings recommended that the Board's report to the BZA should
state that the zoning was recently changed in order to help preserve the
housing from demolition and to enhance the residental rather than the
commercial activities of the neighborhood. This appeal should be seen
as enhancing the residential character of the neighborhood.
Motion: Ms. Cummings, seconded by Mr. Cookingham, moved that the
Board's comment to the Board of Zoning Appeals on this Appeal state
specifically that the intent of the 1984 zoning change from R-3 to R-2
was to improve the residential character of this neighborhood, and that
the proposed variance would work toward that goal .
Vote: 6-04. Motion carried.
The committee found no planning issues of significance city-wide
in Appeals 1683, 1684, or 1686-1690, though the members are hopeful that
the Board of Zoning Appeals will reach an equitable resolution to the
longstanding problem presented in Appeal 1687.