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IURA/CDA - SCHOOL BOARD
DECEMBER 6, 1979
PRESENT: Backer, Banner, Price, Curry, Witting, McGinnis, Batterman,
Siegel, Ruoff, Dennis, Reed, Jones, Evans, Van Cort, Press
Dennis summed up the purpose of the meeting saving that there were
problems with putting Federal funds into a building whose future
was insecure. Reference was made to the fact that the lease is
on an annual basis with a 30 day termination provision and Dennis
presented a proposal from the IURA/CDA offering to buy the GIAC
building for a minimal amount. (See attached memo) .
Backer stated the School District's position saying that the GIAC
building comprised a piece of their most valuable property in terms
of re-sale. He said that if it were necessary to build a new school
to serve present Central School students, the sale of the property
would be prejudiced if the GIAC parcel was unavailable. He suggested
the possibility of an apartment building needing space for parking.
Backer added that if Route 96 were to use Court and Buffalo Streets as
access streets to the highway, the present school location would be
unsafe and impracticable. Based on the above considerations, Backer
said he could not recommend selling a portion of this property.
Van Cort said that Common Council was on record as being strongly
opposed to the use of Buffalo and Court Streets as feeder streets to
Route 96. He added that the City is committed to conserving downtown
central neighborhoods and would continue to oppose any plans that would
be detrimental to the stability of the area.
Reed spoke to the purpose of the School Board and the Ithaca Urban
Renewal Agency saying that each has a vested interest in the district's
quality of life. He noted that the GIAC was directly in concert with
school goals and mentioned the afternoon tutorial program as well as
the vast range of recreational activities. Reed recalled that several
years ago the District had proposed building a new school on the adjacent
block which houses the Old Gas and Electric Company, At that time,
houses were torn down to•make room for the new school. Reed said he
hoped that any plans to build a new school in that area would not mean
razing the present Central School and GIAC buildings,
Backer said he did not mean to tear down the present school, That building,
he said, could be converted into housing and parking could be available
on the present GIAC site,
Reed asked Backer if these plans showed any responsibility to the neigh-
borhood and Backer replied that the community would be astounded at how
the School Board has made a commitment to total life.
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Reed said he recognized the work the School Board has done and therefore
proposed that the GIAC building be sold to the City in order to demonstrate
conpd tment to the program and to facilitate the continuation of C.D. funds
toward building improvements, He suggested the sale could contain provisions
for return of the building to the School District at the same price should
t he school population increase in the future.
Backer asked how the School District would be left if 5 years from now the
population declined and it was necessary to close Central School. He said
full value will not be gotten if the corner building is gone which will
hamper finances to build a new school to serve that neighborhood. He
said that it was more efficient to build a new building than restore an old
one.
Van Cort, however, said that studies have proved that in the long run
rehabilitation work is cheaper than new construction.
After further discussion, Stein asked for suggestions from the School Board
on how to assure the IURA/CDA that the funds expended toward the building
were not being wasted.
McGinnis suggested a long tetra lease and Stein suggested looking at the
lease to determine if it was equitable in terms of the depreciation
schedule.
Backer said the Board would be responsible for depreciated return for
capital improvements and Evans noted there was disagreement as to whether the
improvements were capital or maintenance.
Van Cort said that according to Banner and Backer, most of the items are
raintenance improvements whereas the IURA/CDA feels they are capital impro-
vements. He said this disagreement puts the Agency at a disadvantage as
their charge to both the Federal Government and the City's ConuIDn Council
is to use the money.wisely. Per this concept, the IURA/CDA must obtain
ownership of the building, or a long term lease, or have some reassurance that
the City can get its money back if GIAC does not remain in the building.
Evans noted that during a recent visit to Ithaca, H.U.D. was shocked to
see that only a year's lease exists for this program. H.U,D. , she added,
intends now to direct the agency to use the money in a better fashion.
Jones asked the School Board what the district would consider in terms of
a long telrn lease.
Curry said that while the Board was talking in terms of dollars and cents,
it was important to point out that the neighborhood is apprehensive of
its future. He sadi that the national trend for community centers such as
this was on the decline but noted that GIAC continued to grow. As a sign
of support for the community, Curry said he would support the sale of the
building to the C.ty for $1.00.
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Batterman said that she could consider a 3 to 5 year lease and noted that
within that time the School District will be under the same pressure to
close some elementary schools.
Siegel said that if the School District decided to sell the building, there
was no reason to accept the highest bid. She said that this flexibility
gave more possibilities to choose to whom the building should be sold. She
suggested drawing up a well defined financial agreement and lease including
an equitable solution with regards to the different attitudes engendered
if the Board takes backe the building to sell it or if it takes back the
wilding for use as a school,
Van Cort said that the City, Common Council and the Planning and Development
Department have never recommended closing any school. He said that instead,
the City has urged joint occupancy use where excess space is available,
Curry asked what would happen if the School Board decided to take back the
building now.
Dennis said that the IURA/CDA would have 29 days to look for a new building.
He said that it might be possible to construct a new facility but Evans stated
that in a recent vacant land survey of the North and Southside neighborhoods,
there was no space for construction other than land owned by the School District.
McGinnis asked the Board for their iinediate,reactions and with the exbeption
of Mr. Curry, whb was- in favor of a 10 year lease or sale of the building,
Board members said they-mould consider--a 3 to 5 vear lease. It was noted that
the State does not permit more than a 10 year lease of a school building.
McGinnis asked if Misters Backer and Banner could look into the leasing
possibilities within the next week and a meeting was set up at 9:15 on
Tuesday morning, December 11, with Kathe Evans,
Stein pointed out that it was urgent that some solution be arrived at
as the City is reauired•to spend the allocated funds by January 30, 1980,
Siegel said she would like to }o oe why the leasing arrangements could not
be resolved at the Tuesday meeting and McGinnis said they will hear the
results at the regular School Board 1-Meeting on that evening, December 11,
1979,
Respectfully Submitted, Appr.oveD, -
Natalie de Combray f Katherine Evans
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December 10, 1979
5:00 P.M.
Council Chambers
A oroval of Minutes of November 19, 1070 , meeting.
New Business
Report - Disabled Need Assessment -
- Performed for the agency by Human Services Coalition
- Chris Buscher, Executive Director HSC
- Susan Hansen, Principal Researcher
(report to be hand carried to you on December 7 or 8)
Old Business
1. Ithaca Center - American City Corporation proposal
. Appointment of Subcommittee To devel on procram income policy
2. Discussion - Review of meeting with School Board regarding
4. Approval of Design and Scope of work for Phase III, Part 2 work on GIAC
- Bob Boe .lecke, architect
- Phil Cox, City engineer
5. Reaoi`t. on Citizen Participation
- Neighborhood improvements/exterior of GIAC, Washington Park
Administration
I. Relocation Policv/312 Program - Authorization for Mayor to sign policy
2. Report. of CD Coordinator resumes and interview schedule.
Contract for short term consulting services (Roz Williams) .
3. Executive Director
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IURA/CDA
DECEMBER 10, 1979
PRESENT: James Dennis , IURA/CDA
Ann Jones , IURA/CDA
Stuart Stein , IURA/CDA
Clarence Reed, IURA/CDA
C. Buscher , H .S .C .
S . Hansen , H. S .C .
E. Holman , Alderperson , 2nd Ward
H. Williams , INHS Organizer
H . M. Van Cort , Planning & Development
K. Evans , IURA/CDA Staff
Press
The meeting was called to order at 5 : 10 by Vice Chairman Dennis .
Approval of Minutes of November 19 , 1979
Jones MOVED and Reed SECONDED to approve the Minutes of the
November 19, 1979 meeting. MOTION PASSED.
New Business
Report- Disabled Need Assessment
Chris Buscher, Executive Director of the Human Services
Coalition , gave a brief presentation of the survey commenting
on its aim, process , and conclusions .
Buscher said the HSC had been charged by the City Planning
and Development Department , through CBDG funds , to research
specific architectural barriers to the city ' s disabled residents .
In order to develop information the survey relied on key
disabled individuals and representative professionals in
local agencies that deal with the handicapped. It was
concluded from the study that at least 1000 people in Ithaca
have at lease one ( 1) handicap. Buscher referred the Agency
to the report itself for details and said that all computer
print-outs and research tools used would be given to CD staff .
Van Cort asked than an instruction sheet on how to use the
print-outs should be included for future departmental use.
He also asked why the figure "1000" had been used regarding
the number of disabled residents in Ithaca.
Susan Hansen ,principal researcher , said the figure was based
on the number of disabled people that frequented local support
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services. She said that of 31 agencies surveyd, only 18
responded so that a rough estimate was given regarding the
13 non responding agencies . She noted that duplications
between agencies was small and that the disabilities in-
cluded psychological handicaps.
Reed asked for a run down on disabilities and Buscher referred
him to the Appendix. He said it was important to read the
chart before reading the study itself.
Stein asked for an example of a psychological handicap and
Hansen cited an instance whereby some Challenge Industry
workers have trouble crossing streets in time with the
traffic lights as their movements and thinking processes
are slower than the non-disabled. She referred to page 22
for a breakdown of disabilities.
Stein noted that the largest category was the psychological
category and Van Cort asked what kind of person falls into
this group.
Hansen said most of the information was confidential but
that it included mental retardation and chronic psychological
problems that impede getting around in a usual manner .
Stien noted that the survey had been done to facilitate
decisions on how to spend CD funds towards removing barriers
to the handicapped and he asked for suggestions from Buscher
and Hansen .
Buscher said that it was the small things that were ultimately
important . Many of the disabled are elderly , he said ( 34% are
over 66 years old) , and a large number are female (60%) . He
said that lack of adequate transportation was a common complaint
and noted that services such as GadAbout were popular.
Evans asked_ how •many times lack of access to City Hall had
been mentioned and Hansen answered it was only specifically
mentioned three times . She added that during the interviews
"public" places generally referred to the Library , the Post
Office, and City Hall together but she said far more com-
plaints had been made because of lack of access to shopping
areas . Specifically, she mentioned that some people inter-
viewed had said that shop people, bus drivers, and airport
attendants had been insensitive to their needs .
Van Cort noted that the Government has mandated bus systems
become Handicap Accessible and said he thought this would be
a waste of money if in fact individual services that provide
door to door transportation are more popular .
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Addressing herself to accessibility to Public Buildings , Evans
said that alternate services can be provided and she cited
satellite post offices as an example.
Reed asked how many people need a bus to support a wheel chair
and Buscher replied that around 300 out of 1000 were semi-
ambulatory or non-ambulatory and referred members to defi-
nitions of these terms in the Appendix.
Hansen added there was an attitudinal barrier as many elderly
persons are afraid of the traffic .
Reed said that probably since site entry was difficult ,
many don 't bother to use downtown facilities and therefore
don ' t use public transportation.
Evans asked where the most trouble existed within City faci-
lities and Hansen said in shopping areas .
Van Cort suggested using CD funds to disseminate information
to shop keepers . Evans pointed out that this is a focus of
the Public Information and Education Project already being
funded by CD.
Reed suggested putting a bell outside of City Hall to enable
disabled persons to summon assistance.
Buscher said that regardless of how the information is used ,
the term "disability" must be defined and barriers must be
itemized according to disabled "type" . He mentioned a study
being done by Ithaca College whereby non disabled students
have been using wheel chairs to get around the city and he
said the results of this survey should be considered .
Evans asked how many people appeared unaware of what is
availalbe downtown to the handicapped. She noted that the
Handicapped Accessibility Guide, which is almost : finished;fshould
be of help.
Buscher agreed that many people did not know about available
services but said that the guide must take the Needs Assess-
ment into consideration .
Dennis MOVED -that the IURA/CDA acknowledge the receipt of the
report and authorize payment of the Human Services Coalition
bill . Stein SECONDED.
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Van Cort said he hoped to use the survey in a way to make
life better for handicapped people.
Bushcer said that within a very short time frame, they ac-
complished as much as they could. He said the report was
purposely set up analytically so that information could be
reorganized according to particular needs .
Stein said the 1st step had been taken and that a meeting
sould be arranged between Buscher and Hansen and IURA/CDA
staff to discuss possible plans . He said that it would be
better to use funds to make many small adjustments and
improvements rather than spend the money on one large project .
Dennis asked that after that meeting, a recommendation should
be made to the agency.
MOTION PASSED.
Old Business
1 . Ithaca Center
Van Cort said that he had received the American City Corporation
(ACC) proposal and had spken about it to Council members .
During these conversations he said he had gotten the impression
that the Common Council and the Planning Department and the
IURA/CDA were pulling in different directions and he suggested
a meeting between the groups to discuss project procedure .
He added that he had spoken further with Stan Goldberg and
had taken the liberty of showing the ACC proposal . Mr . Gold-
berg looked it over and asked for the right of first refusal
to whatever the ACC will ultimately suggest . Van Cort added
that , in his opinion , the Goldberg/McRobb proposal was the
most complete, noted that the group was local and said that
he believed Council members were also in support of them.
He said that the Fischer/Schechter group had dropped out for
the time being. He strongly recommended passing a motion
to negotiate a contract with the ACC and grant conditional
preferred sponsorship to the Goldberg/McRobb group.
Jones asked to discuss whether the IURA/CDA was really interested
in the proposal . She noted that the ACC proposal did not
state its end product .
Van Cort said all that ACC could guarantee was their best
effort . They will not guarantee that this will result in
development of the Ithaca site . He added that Rouse would
not be interested in developing the site as the project
is too small .
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Stein said that previously there was a suggestion that
Rouse might be interested in developing the site. By
removing this possibility, he said, the IURA/CDA is giving
preferred sponsorship to one of the local contractors . He
noted that until now the IURA/CDA was hesitant to ask the
developers to .expend more money for information but that
now the preferred sponsorship was being given and the ex-
penses were being paid by the IURA/CDA. He asked why Goldberg
and McRobb could not pay their own expenses .
Jones said that in this case it would be open to all three
devleopers.
Evans suggested Goldberg/McRobb pay part of the project costs
and Stein noted that normally any developer would be spending
some money.
Van Cort said that if the IURA/CDA hires the ACC as their
client , the ACC will perform to our satisfaction .
Stein asked how this could be assured? He said that as the
agency believes that Council will support the McRobb Goldberg
proposal , it appears that the agency has included them in their
recommendation in order to gain Council approval of the
ACC proposal .
Van Cort maintained that by combining the two proposals , the
City has a chance to get a first class project .
Reed said he thought that the ACC should take care of the
first several items on their work list but that the developers
should be involved in the marketing analysis . He ntoed that
the exact costs for each work phase had not been included in
the proposal and Van Cort said that exact cost allocations
would be worked out in the contract phase . At this point ,
he added, he suggested that the Agency agree with the concept
and handle small- items when it was time to draw up the contract .
Jones asked if there was any way that Common Council and the
Agency could discuss their points of view and Alderperson
Holman said she had no problems with this idea.
Dennis agreed it was a good idea and added that he did not
believe the McRobb/Goldberg plan had enough expertise . He said
that the various objections should be made public.
In response to a question from an Agency member, Van Cort
said that UDC would charge approximately the same as ACC
(l i% x project cost = $90, 000) for their services .
Jones mentioned that for such an expensive project , it was
important to be sure it was a good investment .
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Reed stated he had no problems with giving the preferred
sponsorship to local developers McRobb and Goldberg but
suggested tackling that part of the problem after dealing
with the ACC proposal . He MOVED that the IURA/CDA commend
the ACC proposal to Council and Jones SECONDED .
Holman urged to approve this motion and MOTION PASSED .
2 . Appointment of Subcommittee to develop program income
policy.
Tabled.
3. Discussion - Review of meeting with School Board
regarding GIAC
Evans discussed the proposed lease for the GIAC building.
As the State does not allow more than a ten year lease on a
school building, and as HUD recommends at least 10 years , the
proposed lease for the GIAC building is for ten years .
Reed said he was very displeased with the meeting and
added that he thought Banner and Backer do not recognize
their responsibility to the Ithaca community . He noted that
the School District 't most valuable property (DeWitt School ) ,
had been sold for only $20, 000. He suggested that the
Agency put pressure on the School Board to come to agreeable
terms .
Stein asked what the penalties for no lease were and Evans
said that CD could lose Small Cities money if a new lease
or purchase terms were not attained.
Stein asked if the GIAC improvements money could be held up
while negotiations are in progress .
Van Cort said the Agency has little negotiating leverage and
noted that no excuses are allowed on the drawdown rate.
Reed said it would be better to lose the funds altogether
rather than waste them on a building we could lose .
Evans said that awarding a bid could be held up until the
end of January and added she would modify the draft lease
terms prior to the 9 : 15 AM meeting the following day with
Mr. Banner. She said that CD accountant Ken Walker would be
present and asked Agency members to attend also . On the 11th
of December , Mr. Backer would present the draft lease to the
School Board and she said that improvement work can be held
off until the lease is settled . She added that Common Council
will be appraised of the procedures and the results of these
meetings.
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4. Approval of Design and Scope of work on GIAC
Tabled.
5. Report on Citizen Participation
Tabled.
Administration
1 . Relocation Policy/312 Program - Authorization for
Mayor to sign policy
Reed MOVED to amend, subject to City Attorney approval , the
IURA/CDA and 312 Agency contract to comply with the Rules of
Relocation as specified in the Federal Register ( 510. 113) .
Stein SECONDED.
Jones asked if there had been any trouble with the 312 program
and Evans said no , that this amendment was common procedure .
MOTION PASSED.
Reed MOVED that the IURA/CDA will comply with the Rules of
Relocation , Stein SECONDED, and MOTION PASSED .
2 . Report of CD Coordinator resumes - Contract for short
term consulting services (Roz Williams)
Evans reported on interviews held by Jones and Dennis with
Roz Williams and presented a standard consulting agreement
which outlines the work program. She also noted that the
proposed salary was the same as previously. Reed MOVED to
hire Roz Williams as consultant to move the CD program ahead
in its project formulation and implementation on citywide
programs and other activities as outlined in her contract .
Reed further MOVED that the Mayor is authorized to sign the
contract . Jones SECONDED and MOTION PASSED .
3. Executive Director - Tabled
Respectfully Submitted, Authorized,
Natalie de Combray Katherine Evans