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Town of Danby Conservation Advisory Council
Minutes of monthly meeting on Tuesday, November 12, 2019
Danby Town Hall, 1830 Danby Road, Danby, New York
Council Members present: Matt Ulinski (chair), Joel Gagnon Don
Schaufler, George Adams, Clare Fewtrell, Mary Woodsen, Ruth
Sherman
Council Members absent:, Bill Evans
Others present: Rhonda Roaring (Danby resident), DeAnna DeMark
(Danby resident) and Erick Palmer (Danby resident)
Meeting opened at 7:08 pm
Deletions or Additions to Agenda
none
Privilege of Floor
DeAnna DeMark and Erick Palmer (donors of Conservation
Easement at 127 Marsh Rd) used privilege of the floor to register
their strong reaction against 4 CAC members who had walked their
property on Nov 3 for annual monitoring purposes without first calling
for permission. They emphasized that no one had the right to walk
their property without contacting landowners first. They were very
upset since this agreement had been made when they signed up for
the easement (due to a mix-up of online files CAC members didn’t
have contact information). Palmer said he felt disrespected and
submitted a letter from his lawyer putting his concerns in writing
(after-note: letter was given to town clerk and filed in his easement
folder). Ulinski and other members profusely apologized for CAC
and said monitoring form would be amended so that the first thing
noted was to contact owner. Palmer said that when he buys more
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property it would probably not go into an easement.
Gagnon asked Palmer if he had ever considered joining CAC -
because of his knowledge or the area (he declined) and Fewtrell said
she hoped Palmer would change his mind about putting new land
purchased in an easement. Palmer and DeMark left after clearly
making their point.
Ulinski asked Secretary to take letter to Town Clerk.
Approve Minutes MOTION for Draft October 8, 2019 minutes
Fewtrell moved to approve
Gagnon Seconded
Unanimous approval
I. Reports and Updates
Report on annual walks of Easements by Schaufler and Fewtrell
(Woodsen said that she met with 3 parties that are considering an
easement and she was happy that Gagnon was there to help her.)
Balanced against the problems with the Palmer easement was the
good job members had done working hard and going out of their way
to get the annual monitoring done before the weather changed.
Ulinski congratulated Schaufler and Fewtrell for their efforts.
Schaufler said that other landowners had been pleased to see them.
Sherman remarked that if they were contacted before -as Gagnon
had noted - that they could have walked land with them since no one
knew the land better than the landowner. It was re-emphasized how
important it is to get in contact before hand and also to have people’s
phone numbers and emails.
Fewtrell, who had put together the new 2019 annual monitoring
reports, reported back difficulties and suggestions to the group. The
difficulties were going through easement write-up and picking out
strategic information obscured in the legalese of original agreement
or unclear in the accompanying pictures. There was some discussion
on what should be checked since she felt she had been essentially
laying down a base report.
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Other difficulties were with discerning property and easement parcel
boundaries. Ulinski thought CAC’s obligation was not to survey
property but just to note changes. He thought pictures (in original
easement) of property corners were sufficient. Adams wanted to see
more corner survey pins. Gagnon says that some zone corners
described on paper do not have matching pins on the property.
Adams said he will research GPS coordinates. Gagnon noted that
one easement violation being looked for is pirating of timber along
boundary edges.
Discussion followed on what was baseline information. Fewtrell used
baseline monitoring form rather than annual monitoring form because
she felt baseline was unclear. Gagnon noted that there is a schedule
(appendix) in each easement write-up that is a baseline. (after-note:
As Fewtrell noted at the meeting, easement documents on Laserfiche
are incomplete. The Town Hall has the final signed versions and they
are also on the Town Planner’s computer. Fewtrell has asked Jason
Haremza to put these on Laserfiche)
PoF: Roaring noted that putting up Easement Signs is good publicity
as well as providing definitions of property boundaries. Finger Lakes
Land Trust puts up signs, and Schaufler said some Danby easement
owners were receptive to idea.
Monitoring recap: It took 2- 3 hours to walk each easement. That
resulted in 2 days work, morning and afternoon. Adams said he was
going to do more research on boundaries looking at GPS information.
Fewtrell said she had made changes in the Dryden monitoring form to
make it more appropriate for Danby, and, if they were OK with the
rest of group, she will also incorporate them into annual report form.
The baseline reports still require some additional information so when
they are complete she will send them to everyone by email.
Question was raised about privacy of easement owner phone
numbers. Phone numbers have to be available to CAC members, but
not available to public. Fewtrell suggested sending a copy of
monitoring reports to property owners. Ulinski said this was a good
idea, but to be careful of what you say and how you say it. He noted
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that we should be transparent and present facts as we see them, but
to try not to be judgmental.
For pictures, Adams said that Tompkins County GIS property viewer
(http://tompkinscountyny.gov/gis/maps/property ) allows you to see what
Google maps won’t show you past trees. Perhaps we can keep in
record for each year.
Discussion continued on identifying easements and follow-up
monitoring: Fewtrell suggested naming property based on originator,
not subsequent owners. Ulinski suggested adding a reference with
associated tax parcel number (which also may change over time).
Adams pointed out that Melchen parcel numbers had already
changed. The Melchen property is on both sides of Deputron Hollow
Road. The road already subdivides the property into two parcels.
Better time to walk properties – before hunting season!
General Discussion about problems getting easement information.
(After-note: paper copies in folders available in Town Clerk’s office
and in town lawyer’s office. Problem was with on-line version. )
Fewtrell requested latest easement write-up on Durfee Hill Rd
property so she could put baseline information in a form comparable
to others.
Updates on Deputron Hollow property
Not available
Note from Secretary – do we need to keep recorder files of
minutes?
Discussion followed: Town clerk had told us it was unnecessary, but
referred it to a group decision. Point made by Ulinski that minutes
have been written and approved, but Gagnon argued that there might
be some contention over a point not explicitly covered.
Ulinski made a Motion to keep audio records for a year on a
thumb disk and have secretary discuss transfer methods with
town clerk.
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Adams Seconded
Unanimous approval
Open Space Planning discussion
Ulinski suggested we put off this discussion and wait for new planner
just hired to be part of it - Jason Haremza is coming to next meeting.
Easement on Clare's property- follow-up
Clare will be firming up a walking date with other members by email
to inspect her property in preparation for creating a conservation
easement.
Membership Announcements
Ulinski announced he is not going to renew his membership in CAC,
and December will be his last meeting. He will complete annual
report before he leaves. Sherman and Adams have another year to
run before appointment ends. Matt will check dates on other people’s
appointments. Schaufler will be gone in January, February, March.
End of meeting discussion:
Danby conservation easement template changes.
Fewtrell, continuing conversation of monitoring-related problems, said
that the easement template on the Danby website also needs to be
updated. Woodsen asked if Gagnon would be willing to work with her
on this. Gagnon said Ulinski needed to be included – his experience
so far in writing easements should be incorporated. Fewtrell noted
also that federal tax deductions have changed and should be
changed in write-up. Gagnon remarked that Guy Krogh (Town of
Danby attorney) had previously said that CAC should not be making
any assurances about taxes. Gagnon brought up again the concept
of “Bargain Sale,” which would enable owner to get a charitable
deduction on taxes for land sold cheaply to town. Fewtrell reported
that she had found a document in her home files on Town of Danby
easement donations and their tax implications from 2017. It was
decided that she should pass it on to new town planner, Haremza.
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Adams had a couple of questions. Does Tompkins County
Environmental Management Council (EMC) have a town of Danby
representative? Yes, Anne Klingensmith. Adams already goes to
Water Resources Council meetings but would be interested in EMC.
Ulinski said he would recommend him. (After-note: The EMC is
accepting applications for several at-large and municipal seats. Apply
now! ). See http://tompkinscountyny.gov/emc/about/members
Adams also asked when the Open Space Inventory/Planning
discussion will be scheduled. Ulinski responded that it would be first
month of next year. – new town planner, Haremza will be coming to
next session in December and will help set the agenda.
Color copies of Natural Resources Inventory, that the secretary had
printed according to previous meeting’s motion, were handed out to
members. Additional copies will be kept in office where Alex can loan
them out as needed for other meetings.
Next Meeting is on December 10 at 7p.m.
Adjournment
The meeting ended at 8:45 p.m.
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Submitted by Elizabeth Keokosky (Secretary)