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From :Danby Planner (John Czamanske)
<planner@townofdanbyny.org>
Subject :Re: your text message
To :David Jordan <davidlj2001@aol.com>
Cc :jnorman <jnorman@townofdanbyny.org>, rdietrich
<rdietrich@townofdanbyny.org>, Tracy Jong
<TJong@TracyJongLawFirm.com>, jedjordan
<jedjordan@hotmail.com>
Zimbra planner@townofdanbyny.org
Re: your text message
Tue, Aug 20, 2019 09:23 AM
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Good Morning Mr. Jordan,
I am employed part time on an interim basis by the town, which is presently in the process of
reviewing applications for a permanent, full-time planner. My hours are very limited. I
happened to log into the email system this morning from home in advance of a meeting later.
You are in luck today as it is the one day this week for office hours. The earliest I can meet
with you would be at 2 PM.
At some point you will need to describe what use(s) you propose to undertake. It has already
been explained that some of the uses the town understood were being proposed exceed the
authority of the Planning Board to consider for a special permit. That is why it is important to
understand what use or uses are proposed. Further, and this is where I think it would be
valuable for you to read the town's zoning ordinance, a special permit application is not just
comprised of some forms. Rather, special permit review is really site plan review with an
additional set of standards. You will need to submit a site plan prepared by a licensed
professional. In order to engage a professional engineer to prepare a site plan, you will need
to fully describe the intended uses to them. The description might not be as detailed as would
be needed by an architect or engineer to design building plans to accompany a building
permit application, but a site plan can only be prepared based on a good description of the
intended use. While I can generate cover forms for you, a special permit application mostly
consists of site plan sheets and materials prepared by you and/or an engineer. In my
experience, people fill out the cover forms after they have a site plan prepared that they wish
to submit. The thing is, thinking this through here, in my humble opinion it seems to me that
going to the effort and expense of having a professional engineer create the required site
plan and other materials to accompany a special permit application which could not be heard
by the Planning Board obviously would be a profound waste of your time and resources.
I will be in the office from 2 to 5 today. I can explain the site plan, special permit and other
processes as described in the zoning ordinance. It would help immensely if you would take
the time to read the relevant sections of the ordinance before we meet. It would also help
immensely if you would please have with you a written list of the uses you propose (hopefully
also annotated as to how you believe they relate to the uses delineated in the zoning
ordinance for the Low Density Residential zone or not).
Thank you,
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John
___________________
John Czamanske, AICP
Planner, Town of Danby
1830 Danby Road
Ithaca, NY 14850-9419
(607) 277-2400
www.townofdanbyny.org
From: "David Jordan" <davidlj2001@aol.com>
To: "jczamanske" <planner@townofdanbyny.org>
Cc: "jnorman" <jnorman@townofdanbyny.org>, "rdietrich" <rdietrich@townofdanbyny.org>,
"Tracy Jong" <TJong@TracyJongLawFirm.com>, "jedjordan" <jedjordan@hotmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2019 6:22:55 AM
Subject: Re: your text message
Good morning John
I will meet with you today, Tuesday. My son and I plan to apply to the Planning board for a
Special Permit for used as allowed and stated in the recent correspondence from the Town
and from Guy
Thank you
David jordan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 19, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Danby Planner (John Czamanske)
<planner@townofdanbyny.org> wrote:
Good Afternoon Mr. Jordan,
I received your text via email. I almost deleted it because the email system
marked it as SPAM and I had no idea who it was from. Thankfully I figured out I
could click on an attachment and only then did I see it was a text from you. I've
copied it below for the benefit of those I'm copying on this email. I would suggest
in the future sending email to the current email address
(planner@townofdanbyny.org) as my address will stop working once the Town
hires a new planner.
John please send me the correct applications for "special permit" and any related
checklist of items the Planning Board expects applicants to present to them
Thank you
David jordan
1-347-419-9373
Davidlj2001@aol.com
In order to assist, I first need to ask what you are seeking to do (and where) in
order to know whether it is possible to apply for a Special Permit. If you are
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looking to apply for something related to the tasting room use at 1582 Danby Rd.,
given Mr. Norman's recent letter to you (attached), I need to ask whether it is for a
use that you believe may be, to quote from the letter "within the scope of a
customary agricultural use, as defined and discussed above [in the letter], or
perhaps within the scope of a specially permitted land use category" [of those
listed within the Low Density Residential Zone of the ordinance]. If so, then a
Special Permit application is indeed what you would submit, together with a
proposed site plan prepared by a licensed professional engineer or landscape
architect. However, if it is for a use that goes beyond those things, it is my
understanding that it would not be possible for the Planning Board to approve a
Special Permit for such a use (as it is beyond their authority). As explained in Mr.
Norman's letter, it would be the Board of Zoning Appeals that would need to either
interpret the ordinance and/or consider a use variance appeal. Either way, it would
be helpful to meet in person at Town Hall so that I may explain the processes,
answer any questions you may have, and provide the correct forms. Please also
see the attached PDF of the Zoning Ordinance, which describes the processes for
Special Permit review, Site Plan review, and variances.
Thank you,
John
___________________
John Czamanske, AICP
Planner, Town of Danby
1830 Danby Road
Ithaca, NY 14850-9419
(607) 277-2400
www.townofdanbyny.org
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To: "John Czamanske" <johncz@townofdanbyny.org>
Sent: Monday, August 19, 2019 3:08:25 PM
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<Danby Zoning Ordinance 2017.pdf>
<Jordan Estates Response.pdf>