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Town of Danby Conservation Advisory Council
Minutes of monthly meeting on Tuesday, June 11, 2019
Danby Town Hall, 1830 Danby Road, Danby, New York
Council Members present: Matt Ulinski (chair), Joel Gagnon, Clare
Fewtrell, Don Schaufler, Ruth Sherman
Council Members absent: Bill Evans
Others present: Elizabeth Keokosky (secretary), Bob Beck (Dryden
Conservation Board member and guest speaker), Ronda Roaring
(Danby resident), John Czamanske (Town Planner), Jim Long
(Danby resident), Leslie Connors (Town Board member), Mary
Woodsen (Danby resident and former CAC member), Sarah
Schnabel (Danby resident), Bill Keokosky (Danby resident), George
Adams (prospective CAC member)???
Meeting opened at 7:03 pm
Agenda Review (Additions or Deletions)
No changes
Public Comments/Privilege of the Floor (later referred to as PoF)
Roaring thanked Bob Beck for coming
Main Event
Invited guest speaker, Bob Beck, a member and previous chair
of the Dryden Conservation Board (CB), and director of the Rail
Trail Task Force (RTTF), spoke to CAC about the Dryden CB and
what the RTTF was doing.
Chair Ulinski introduced Beck and told him that our group had
just finished the Natural Resources Inventory and we were
hoping to learn from Dryden experiences.
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Beck began by saying he hoped this would be a discussion. He told
group he had not been on the Dryden Conservation Advisory Council
(CAC) in 2003 – 2005 when they created the Open Space Inventory
(see http://dryden.ny.us/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Open-Space-
Inventory-2003.pdf). He joined in 2008 when they were a board and
listed some of the products the board had produced (these
documents are available on their website)
• Methods and Criteria for land protection and Acquisition
produced by a subcommittee what properties that town should
consider – has a checklist - town doesn’t own many properties,
but has many easements (none held by the town as of yet).
• Developing a plan for easements. Developers must set aside
some green space. CB does annual monitoring (form will be
available online). Based on Finger Lakes Land Trust (FLLT).
(Beck was a founding board member of FLLT in 80s and its first
executive director)
• Parks and Trail maintenance guidelines written originally for 5
mile Jim Schug trail – worried about too much ditching and too
much tree cut backs. Consider trails linear parks and road
crews sometimes don’t think of them that way. Department of
Public Works (DPW) maintains it.
• In 2015 extended Dryden rail trail. Connects Jim Schug trail to
Freeville, Varna, and all the way to Ithaca. Worked with
Cornell Design Connect. Dryden established a Rail Trail Task
Force for the 10 ½ mile new trail. It will connect with East
Ithaca trail at Game Farm Road - includes coordination with 4
towns and county. Now in 4th year – succeeding because of
teamwork of diverse people with diverse skills.
PoF: Roaring asked should the Trail proposed to be built through
Caroline and Danby (South Hill recreation way extension?) use a
similar method? Beck’s response was that it is possible. He noted
that it also goes through four towns (Caroline, Danby, Dryden,
Ithaca) and involves the county.
PoF: Keokosky asked how many people served on the Dryden
CAC?
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Beck replied he wasn’t directly involved back then but the CB has
4-6 long-term members, a few people come and go. Trouble
getting sufficient volunteers, but over all, has a good core group.
Also have a liaison from town board and a liaison from planning
board and should have liaisons from other committees. Asked
how often do they meet. Beck replied that the Dryden CB meets
monthly on last Tuesday at 7pm – open to public and sometimes
invites a guest speaker.
PoF: Keokosky(sec.) asked what specifics make the trail creation
so complicated? Beck explained that the main problem was
getting easements: In 1982 Dryden didn’t take opportunity to buy
railroad bed but did acquire sewer and water easements for future
development. When they started contacting people the route
consisted of 48 land parcels, with 38 different owners. Originally
neither DEC on Game Farm Rd. nor George Jr. Republic was
interested. Many different people on team reached out to various
land owners. Bruno Schickel (local construction owner) was a big
help. Beck’s past experience with land trusts was very helpful.
Reached out to grant writers: John Keifer (retired Senior Director
of Facilities Management at Cornell), Todd Bittner. (Director of
Natural Areas at Cornell Botanic Gardens), AARP grant for kiosks
and benches. Got some money from Cornell, donations from a
gravel pit (eventually going to make it a stone dust surface – very
smooth). Got a DOT grant last summer for 1.5 million dollars to
build a walking bridge over Route 13. Took 8 months to learn
grant was successful. Had a big celebration for public outreach
and publicity when George Jr. Republic agreed to easement and
work was completed in that area.
Continuing on Dryden CB accomplishments, Beck went on to list:
• Dryden-Natural Resources Conservation Plan-Final-11-16-2017
part of town’s effort for new comprehensive plan. Ag
Committee contributed an Agriculture Plan. Recreation
Committee also contributed. These were combined. Didn’t
have an outside consultant for but liberally borrowed from other
plans.
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• Concern of deer management – Cornell professor and DEC
representative spoke, also 3 hunters at different meetings. This
prompted consideration of a landowner database of people who
want to encourage hunting on their land.
• Just finished a Natural Resources Inventory working with
Cornell Cooperative Extension support using county data made
specific for Dryden. Done to get points for being a “Smart
Community” to possibly get funding. The Natural Resources
Inventory complements the Natural Resources Plan done
previously. PoF:Roaring asked how Natural Resources Plan
differs from Inventory and Beck explained the plan has
priorities, goals and criteria on reaching goals, the other is an
inventory database.
Ulinski asked Beck about the difference between The Open Space
Inventory – done earlier in Dryden, a DEC requirement to transition
from a CAC to a CB - and the Natural Resources Inventory just
completed in Danby. Is Natural Resources Inventory the same?
Beck didn’t think so. (After-note: This link indicates that OSI could
be extracted from NRI. See
https://www.dec.ny.gov/docs/remediation_hudson_pdf/cacfsheet.pdf )
Draft rules for Small Wind Energy Conversion Systems v4 Plan for
Small scale Wind Energy Conversion systems – provide basis for
Town Board ordinance.
Gagnon asked: What about photovoltaic?
Beck said the town was in process of approving large solar farms and
that CB was not actively involved in that.
Joel: Dryden has more transmission lines than Danby.
Ulinski: Did SEQR process for solar involve CB input?
Beck responded a consultant was hired – but yes CB looked at
biology components – some public controversy was involved . As far
as biology or critical habitats CB saw no reason to object.
The controversial topic for CB was assignment of Critical
Environmental Areas (CEAs) – (town defines them, DEC approves
them – not legally binding, but SEQR review had to give them a little
more attention) . Dryden CB started with a unique natural area and
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put a buffer around it. The lesson learned was the strong public
reaction this generated. Town board had CB back off. Project was
abandoned. It is not the same everywhere - at least one town in the
state includes almost the whole town as a CEA (it was mostly
agricultural).
PoF:Keokosky(sec.): what was their main complaint? Fear of
regulation, precluding development.
This generated discussion around impact of CEAs:
Gagnon: We’ve talked about that in Danby, and got sort of half way
there - looking at UNAs and whether their boundaries should be
adjusted, making a short list of potential regulations that would be put
in place in addition to normal review. But it hasn’t gone forward
beyond that.
Beck responded that Dryden had no intention of turning them into
ordinances; their intent was that SEQR review should give all the
important factors proper consideration. But that scared a lot of
people. Beck said he grew up on a dairy farm and he understands
about landowners worried about regulations and government over-
reach, but as a trained biologist he cares deeply about natural areas
and he’s seen important environmental features disappear.
PoF:Czamanske contributed the information that, for SEQR, areas
with CEA require long environmental form vs short form. Not an
impact statement.
Ulinkski: No legal entity required other than landowner? No.
PoF:Audience-member: Will it be a charge to Danby CB to identify
critical environmental areas? Is that how it worked in Dryden?
Ulinski: We could do that as a CAC too. Don’t need to be a CB – we
could probably even do that in our production of Open Space
Inventory - just putting together information but with no authority to
do anything with it.
Gagnon: We’ve already done some of that in conjunction with anti-
fracking efforts.
Ulinski: Did anti -fracking info got into NRI? Yes, it did.
Beck noted that the Dryden CB is sometimes tasked by town board
but also can take the initiative, yet there is concern from town lawyers
that they shouldn’t be doing anything on their own. Ulinski responded
that our CAC has a charge and it has some fairly broad statements to
look into conservation and environmental issues.
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PoF:Keokosky (Sec.) what is the basis of recommendation to
planning board when a new developer wants to build. Beck’s answer
was look at environmental and habitat. Question continued: Then
what does CEA give you in addition?
PoF:Czamanske responded and corrected himself. Said long form
needed Only for Type 1 actions (
https://www.dec.ny.gov/permits/6203.html defines Type I and Type II
actions). The DEC is not involved directly but a CEA is added to their
list for record keeping while a UNA is not. Automatically filled in on
long form.
After-note: See 6 CRR-NY 617.14 and 6 CRR-NY 617.7 for
requirements for CEA designation and requirements for determining
whether a proposed Type I or Unlisted action may have a significant
adverse impact on the environment.
https://govt.westlaw.com/nycrr/Document/I4ec3ce77cd1711dda432a1
17e6e0f345?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&tr
ansitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)
https://govt.westlaw.com/nycrr/Document/I4ec3ce62cd1711dda432a1
17e6e0f345?viewType=FullText&originationContext=documenttoc&tr
ansitionType=CategoryPageItem&contextData=(sc.Default)&bhcp=1
Beck noted that DEC also knows about Tompkins County UNAs
which twice received state-wide awards for its Unique Natural Area
inventory. Beck was involved in creating that.
Open to discussion:
Schaufler – what goals are there in Dryden Natural Resources Plan –
are they general or specific. Beck responded they were more
general. Recommendations and proposed actions – not measurable.
PoF:Roaring what role will CB play in developing Dryden
comprehensive plan review?
Beck said that CB contribution was Natural Resources Plan. Town
wants to hire a consultant.
PoF: Roaring: One of the concerns of the Danby CAC was that
becoming a board would create a lot more work for them.
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Beck said not really. Depends – shouldn’t be a big concern. Board
can define its focus and set aside other pressures.
PoF:Keokosky(Sec) Danby CAC is already doing easements and
being a CB would add environmental research and advice
responsibilities.
Beck said that Dryden is just starting to do easements. His concern
with easements was when owner changes who can you sit down with
in the future to discuss potential problems, thinking in terms of
developers.
Gagnon noted that easement goes with land.
Beck not sure that town has an understanding of that.
Ulinski said that most easement properties that Danby has are for
individual property preservation.
PoF: Roaring: we need to do annual inspections.
Ulinski: we are in the other end of spectrum and have the ground
work done but are working on follow-up.
PoF:Keokosky asked what a resident can do if they see new or
unusual animals on the property.
PoF:Connors – should be recorded- reported to CAC and/or county to
update inventory
PoF:Roaring – What Beck did with Malleryville Bog was a story of
preservation
Beck told story of bog which was party of his property and one of four
top natural areas in county. Beck stopped gravel company from
building near there. Got Hydrologist involved SEQR process where
DEC was lead agency. Beck provided the data to save the area
which he then made into a preserve.
Ulinski thanked Beck for coming and room gave him resounded
applause.
Approve Minutes MOTION for Draft May 14, 2019 minutes
Gagnon moved to approve
Sherman Seconded
Unanimous approval
Updates
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1. Meeting at town hall to walk Sylvan Lane property on Friday,
June 14. Meet at Town Hall at 10:45. Schaufler will bring
van.
2. Ulinski inviting Gretchen Salm, Land Conservation Support
Specialist from Finger Lakes Land Trust to speak at CAC
meeting at future date.
3. Update on working with Highway Department class with
Partnership for Regional Invasive Species Management
(PRISM ) – Ulinski talking with Highway Department on
Friday. Sherman concerned that we pin down a date.
Highway Department may need continual training as new
invasive species appear.
Next Meeting is on July 9 at 7p.m.
Adjournment
The meeting ended at 8:30 p.m.
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Submitted by Elizabeth Keokosky (Secretary)