HomeMy WebLinkAbout2012-03-20-PB TOWN OF ULYSSES
PLANNING BOARD
MINUTES
03/20/12
Present : Chairperson Ken Zeserson, Members- Sarah Adams, Stan Beames, Peter Fry,
Rebecca Schneider, John Wertis, Environmental Planner Darby Kiley
Excused : Rod Hawkes
Mr. Zeserson called the meeting to order at 7 : 00 pm . He agenda had been distributed by
Ms . Kiley with suggestions from Mr. Wertis . The members stated they had received the
revised agenda and agreed with the agenda as presented .
PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR-no comments offered .
MINUTES -
Mr. Zeserson stated the minutes of 03 /06/ 12 had been distributed via email .
Mr. Wertis stated he would like the word "revised" changed to "restatement" of the
resolution .
Mr. Zeserson made the motion, seconded by Ms Schneider to approve the minutes of
03 /06/ 12 with Mr. Wertis ' edit.
The vote was taken :
Ms Adams Aye
Mr. Beames Aye
Mr. Fry Aye
Ms Schneider Aye
Mr. Wertis Aye
Mr. Zeserson Aye
Adopted
MEETING AGENDA-
Ms . Kiley distributed wording that the Town was adding to their agenda. It was noted
that the Planning and Zoning Board ' s should incorporate this as well .
The members reviewed the wording and questioned the 3 minute limit . After a discussion
of past history, without a time limit at crowded meetings, speakers could control the
meetings . Because of the potential for speakers speaking non-stop and dominating the
meetings, the 3 minute limit was left.
The discussion regarding the roles and policy of Planning Board meetings was raised ;
where are they and would they be addressing this again . Ms . Kiley was not aware they
existed. The roles were Chairperson, Vice Chairperson, Town Liaison, Secretary and a
Parliamentarian.
Mr. Zeserson stated he remembered they had adopted the policy . He noted they could
review for the future .
Ms . Carlisle Peck stated she had copies and would distribute to the members for their
review.
LAKESHORE/CONSERVATION ZONE :
Mr. Zeserson noted that Mr. Hawkes was not present and has been the main person
working on this project thus would like to table this discussion until the next meeting .
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Mr. Fry stated he agreed however he had done some additional work and would like to
distribute this ' to the members for their review. He distributed these with a brief
description.
Ms . Kiley stated she had also requested steep slope and soil maps from the county for the
members review. She distributed these with a brief description.
The members; stated their appreciation for the additional information received however
agreed with Mr. Zeserson they did not want to discuss without Mr. Hawkes as he has led
the previous discussions .
Mr. Wertis distributed a draft for the Conservation Zone/Lakeshore Zone regarding
Vegetation, Landscape and View shed . Members discussed if specific occupations are
required to be registered with the town, e . g . electricians, plumbers, foresters . The
members decided they would need to research further but agreed to review the document
for the next meeting .
FLAG LOT
Mr. Zeserson stated the next order of business is the Maguire/Wilcox flag lot
interpretation .
Ms . Kiley stated the Mariette Geldenhuys, attorney for the town, had informed her that
this request for the interpretation had to come from the Planning Board as they are the
"aggrieved party" . They disagreed with the Zoning Officer ' s interpretation of the
definition. She was trying to expedite getting all of this done for the Wednesday ZBA
meeting and after meeting with Mr. Zeserson would like to provide the Planning Board a
chance to discuss . There has been another situation in that the deed is in question for lot
lines on Scott Sears and Paula Horrigan ' s property and this property . She informed them
they need to work this out amongst themselves then come back for further action .
Mr. Zeserson reviewed what had happened with the members and asked for their input.
Mr. Wertis stated he does not feel this fits the definition of a flag lot. He is concerned that
this type of subdivision would be the sole purview of the Zoning Officer if the officer
considers this property a flag lot .
Ms . Schneider stated she agreed with Mr. Wertis and feels this is pushing the definition.
They are trying to maintain open space and she does not feel that is being considered by
putting another residence in this area.
Ms . Adams stated she agreed with Ms . Schneider and Mr. Wertis .
Mr. Fry stated he wanted to disclose that he has put an offer on this piece of property . He
asked Ms . Kiley if he was still able to offer his opinion.
Ms . Kiley stated he could participate in the discussion but should recuse himself from
voting .
Mr. Fry stated he is still holds firm to his statement at the last meeting . He is having a
hard time understanding why there is bias against the flag lot based on its trapezoidal
geometry. Mr. Fry believes that the definition of a flag lot does not limit the shape of the
pole exclusively to rectilinear polygons . The lot meets the spatial requirements for both
lot size and pole width . In fact the lot exceeds these spatial requirements .
Ms . Schneider and Ms . Adams stated they do not feel comfortable with Mr. Fry
providing input due to the conflict of interest.
The discussion continued with Ms . Kiley reading the definition, she stated Ms
Geldenhuys advised this would not set a precedence if reviewed by the Zoning Board .
The desire to review other community ' s definition of a flag lot was discussed . Some
towns do not allow flag lots . This was allowed as the town had lots that could be used but
would need access via the "pole" to get to the property. The members asked what
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previous lots had been approved as flag lots . This question would need to be addressed by
Mr. Rachun, Ms . Kiley has not had any come before her, but not sure historically what
has happened. Mr. Wertis distributed a map of possible lakeshore property divisions .
The members agreed they would review the definition and try to obtain other definitions
to review at the next meeting . They cannot take any further action on the subdivision
until the property lines and the deed issue is finalized .
The meeting was adjourned at 8 : 03pm .
Respectfully submitted,
Robin Carlisle Peck
Zoning/Planning Secretary
Approved at April 3 , 2012
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