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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPpanBoard_Minutes_Revised DRAFT_2015-10-15Town of Danby Planning Board Minutes of Regular Meeting Thursday October 15, 2015 ! REVISED DRAFT !! PRESENT: ! Joel Gagnon Anne Klingensmith Frank Kruppa Ted Melchen Steve Selin Naomi Strichartz ! ABSENT: ! Jim Rundle ! OTHER ATTENDEES: ! C.J. Randall Town Planner Leslie Connors Town Board Ric Dietrich Town Board Kelly Cecala Recording Secretary ! Public: David Hall, Susan McLellan, Mike McLellan, Frank Darrow, Cathy Darrow, Pamela Goddard, Ted Crane, Charles Tilton, Pat Woodworth, Kelly Morris, Bob Strichartz, Kenny Makosch, Sarah Elbert, Jan Pfleiderer, Jack Miller Jr., Anna Miller, Jack Miller Sr., Gerda Medgyaszay, Jacob Brenner, Claudia Miettunen, Robert Chase, David Burrows, Robyn Em, Garry Huddle, Anthony Wells, Thomas Clements, Linda Fetherbay, Jody Scriber, Robert Chase, Faith Chase, Brian LaMorte, Joseph Cheng, Cindy Ceracche. ! The Public Hearing was opened at 7:05 pm. ! Consider rezoning of Planned Development Zone 10 (Formerly known as Angelheart Design) located at 297-303 Gunderman Road, from the currently permitted commercial use (clothing manufacturer) under Local Law 1-1997 to a mixed use business incubator with an 8,000 +/- sq. ft. future addition. Tax Parcel 9-1-9.12. JLF Holdings, LLC, Owner, David Hall, Applicant. The Town Board has requested a non-binding recommendation from the Planning Board. ! Voices Against ! Charles Tilton, 305 Gunderman Rd., gave a historical perspective of the PDZ and Angelheart Designs and said that in addition to light disturbance, the law allowed noise, water, and traffic impacts to the area. Tilton said that after a few years, the actual operation matched the law, but not the many verbal descriptions of it. Tilton also mentioned the previous Design Studio, which eventually became a residence for two families, because the law allowed it. Tilton stressed that the only thing that matters, is the actual written law, and not what someone’s intentions are. Planning Board Minutes -! October 15, 2015! Page Tilton also addressed the proposed new Business Incubator and said that over 7,500 exist worldwide and that most of them fail due to a lack of meaningful program content. According to Tilton’s research, studies show that a successful Business Incubator needs a specific plan in place to help incubate the new business, versus just renting them a space, and said that none of the materials provided describe any actual programing for the Business Incubator. ! Tilton mentioned the term "mixed-use" and said that it is commonly found in urban and suburban areas to (1) increase walkability and (2) decrease auto traffic. Woodworth provided examples of rural mixed-use, which were found in two major categories (1) rural fringe and (2) rural town centers, hamlets, etc. and went on to illustrate that none of these common uses apply to 303 Gunderman Rd. or what is found in the Gunderman Rd. business proposal. ! Pat Woodworth, 305 Gunderman Rd., said that the law applies to the property and that PDZ 10 has already been subdivided with three (3) potential new owners. Woodworth stated that the law allows for “blank checks” that are pre-signed by the Town of Danby, and the owner can use those checks and do much more then what is currently described in the proposal. Woodworth added that since the zoning laws apply to the property, any new land owners would have also these same “blank checks”, as well as the subdivided tenants, and so on. ! Woodworth commented that language found in Danby's own 2003 Comprehensive Plan contradicts the Gunderman Rd. proposal. Woodworth said that one claim found in the proposed law is that it prevents sprawl, when it actually does the opposite (i.e. allowing more development in an area that is away from the main road and one that doesn't provide any bus service.) Woodworth fears that this might set a precedent, which could increase sprawl throughout Danby. ! Woodworth talked about another claim found in the proposal; it states that the proposed Business Incubator complies with the Comprehensive Plan and a survey of residents which want business at Town Center and that PDZ 10 will incubate these new business. Woodworth said that this claim is far-fetched and false, because the proposal does not describe a true Business Incubator and there is nothing in the proposed law which will require the incubated new business to move to the Town Center. ! Woodworth said there is a potential loss of open space at PDZ 10 and that the density allowed in Lot # 3 is 2.1 versus the rest of the town which is 2.0. Woodworth added that the only space preservation required is the apple orchard, and that all other open space could be lost with the allowed additional building and parking. Therefore the Town’s desire to encourage open space, is also lost. ! Woodworth concluded that in a discussion she had with her lawyer, regarding the arguments used to make the plan/proposal satisfy the goals of the Comprehensive Plan, it was described to her as “fractured logic” while trying to “fake compliance.” ! Tilton stated that there was no legal, moral, or ethical requirement to rezone PDZ 10. Tilton believes that the original law which created PDZ 10, did not protect the neighborhood and said that a new law, to rezone PDZ 10, should provide more protection to the neighborhood and fewer “blank checks.” ! Kelly Morris, 90 Lieb Rd. Spencer, raised concerns about Agricultural Business and the "expected" water consumption which is outlined in the proposal. Morris said that the water language found in the proposal was very unclear and too vague. ! Planning Board Minutes -! October 15, 2015! Page Ted Crane, 888 Comfort Rd., discussed the water and traffic study found in the proposal and questioned what was actually being studied. Crane said that in both studies, the author clearly stated that they only studied the subsets of the “big picture” that were provided by the applicant; as a result the studies cannot be viewed as impartial. Crane recounted some of the long history of the location. Crane said that the law, as written, has a larger effect then it needs to, and that the law will outlive the current owner and his business intentions. Crane said that the proposed 100dB limit, 25 yards inside a neighboring property, is completely inappropriate. Crane remarked about traffic impact and said that the likelihood is that traffic will only turn out to the right side (towards 96B) congesting that stretch of road. Crane concluded that the law is badly flawed and that it should be rejected. ! Frank Darrow, 400 Gunderman Rd., is a former Planning Board member and was involved when the 2003 version of the Danby Comprehensive Plan was being written. Darrow said that the CP was developed in consideration of and response to the overwhelming wishes of the residents of The Town of Danby that the town maintain and preserve its rural and residential character. Darrow said the Plan imagined commercial developments in high density areas concentrated in the hamlets of Danby and West Danby. ! Darrow added that the Comprehensive Plan recognized that residential home-based enterprises would exist in the Town, and that farming and agriculture were prime examples of such an enterprise. Darrow added that the former land and business owners of PDZ 10, had a personal expertise in clothing and that their business grew into a non-residential commercial enterprise. Darrow said that the new law goes with the land, and that there will be a significant impact on the roads, its residents, and the surrounding area. Darrow said that what the new law allows by right will go well beyond what it will replace. ! Kenny Makosch, 98 Gunderman Rd., had three primary concerns for his family of four - water, traffic and road safety. In an email submitted by Kelly Makosch, it stated that when the Waldorf School wanted to go in at that location, it was "soundly defeated because of similar concerns with traffic and water usage." The Makoschs believe that this new business proposal is far worse. Kelly Makosch also raised concerns about the rezoning and its potential to reduce nearby home values. ! Katharine Hunter, 601 West King Rd., major objection is that laws should not be written to answer a zoning issue. ! Pamela Goddard, 888 Comfort Rd., referred to the recent water resource meeting and reminded all that Gunderman Rd., is in a low yield well area. Goddard said that a lot of pedestrian traffic occurs along Gunderman Rd. and agreed that the proposal did not go with the landscape of the neighborhood and added that she was not opposed to any of the specific uses, but of its location. Goddard questioned if the applicant had other areas to run these activities. ! Bob Strichartz, 708 Comfort Rd. commented that he ran out of water over the summer and is very concerned about it in the future. Strichartz also said that when Angelheart Designs was operational, his household was disturbed by the lights in the early morning. Strichartz concluded by saying that he seconded all of the previous concerns by other residents, and stated that David Hall wanted to open up Pandora’s Box. ! Sarah Elbert, 405 Troy Rd., mentioned the large CSA next to the Waldorf School on Nelson Rd. Elbert said that the noise from the farming equipment was very noticeable from her home. Elbert said to consider the traffic safety on Gunderman Rd. during the winter months too. Elbert added that most residents along Troy Rd. and Nelson Rd., avoid driving by the Waldorf School on Nelson Rd. because of traffic. Planning Board Minutes -! October 15, 2015! Page ! Jacob Brenner, 63 Gunderman Rd., added to the previously mentioned traffic concerns and also said that additional traffic due to a large scale business in the area will diminish the rural character and the overall safety of the neighborhood. Brenner stated that the Gunderman location was inappropriate for the newly proposed PDZ 10 and that all of the future ramifications of the new law could not be predicted. ! Claudia Miettunen, 44 Gunderman Rd., has a young family and expressed not wanting any additional traffic in their neighborhood. ! Faith Chase, 106 Comfort Rd., also commented on the traffic concerns and expressed not wanting any additional traffic in their neighborhood. ! Linda Fetherbay, 334 Gunderman Rd., said that private auctions and educational occupancy raise traffic and safety concerns for the blind spot found at 85 Gunderman Rd. She said that the law has parking restrictions, but questioned who was going to enforce them. Fetherbay added that residents’ driveways had been blocked when the former business was in operation. Fetherbay stated that the proposed new businesses should be in a more visible location, and added that the resale value of nearby homes would likely decrease. ! Jody Scriber, 85 Gunderman Rd., echoed the previous concerns about traffic and water and added that she greatly opposes the law proposal. Scriber stated that the new law brings on a lot of uncertainty for the area and the nature of how she lives today. ! Anthony Wells, 640 Comfort Rd., raised concerns about new commercial traffic and the possibility of it driving up Comfort Rd. and added that the intersection at Comfort Rd. and Gunderman Rd. is very dangerous. ! Voices in Favor ! Brian LaMorte, 1570 Danby Rd., owns and operates LaMorte Electric, and supports the new business proposal at PDZ 10. LaMorte said that a slight increase in traffic should be tolerable, and suggested that the Town of Danby repair the road and shoulders along Gunderman Rd. LaMorte commented that the Town of Danby should be more small business friendly. ! Thomas Clements, 276 Gunderman Rd., lives next door to the Gunderman Rd. location and fully supports the new proposal. Clements said that he never experienced any water shortages when both Flax and Angelheart Designs were operational. Clements added that we need more community members that have a good image of the future. David Hall said that he wants to help the cottage industries in Danby get on their feet, hence the Business Incubator concept, which is found in the Comprehensive Plan. Hall said that putting a hard shell around the property, will add protections and wants the area to appear benign to neighbors. Hall said that the PDZ already exists and that he has 21,000 sq. ft. of commercial space and wants to do something nice in the building that will be useful to the town. Hall said that this 13 month application process has not been smooth and he is willing to do whatever it takes to make something work for him and the Town. ! The Public Hearing closed at 8:24 pm. ! The Regular Meeting opened at 8:24 pm. ! CALL TO ORDER/AGENDA REVIEW: Planning Board Minutes -! October 15, 2015! Page ! Nothing was added or deleted to the agenda. ! PRIVILEGE OF THE FLOOR: ! Ted Crane noted that the county is going through its review of agricultural districts and requested that the Planning Board add agricultural districts as a discussion item on their agenda. Crane said that the relevant Gunderman Rd. location is a good illustration of why agricultural districts are not necessarily a good thing for residential neighborhoods. ! APPROVAL OF MINUTES: ! MOTION - Approve September 17, 2015 Minutes with suggested changes by Joel Gagnon Moved by Gagnon, Second by Melchen In Favor: Gagnon, Klingensmth, Melchen, Strichartz, Kruppa Abstain: Selin The motion passed ! DISCUSSION ON PUBLIC HEARING: ! Strichartz outlined why the proposed law was not compatible with the economic portion of the Danby Comprehensive Plan: the negative impact to aquifers, traffic, light and noise on the neighborhood and surrounding environment is too great. Strichartz said that it was not an incubator business and added that the Town has not been successful in moving a growing business to another area. She said that proper zoning is not in place to even enforce moving the business and that the Town has had problems with succession before. ! Selin asked if the Planning Board should even be considering the law, knowing that the document was not the applicant's creation. Kruppa stated that the Town Board is looking to the Planning Board for a recommendation. He added that if the PB agrees to change the zone, then the PB needs to discuss it. Kruppa clarified that a special Planning Board meeting, which will be held on October 22nd, will allow the PB member’s time to consider the public's comment. ! Strichartz's suggestion to the Town Board is to forget the PDZ altogether and to have the applicant come up with a business proposal with specific uses. Gagnon responded that we don't have any provisions in our zoning for the Autism Center or the Book Auction in the Gunderman Rd. area, because in a low density area those are not permitted uses. He added that planned development zone creation was the mechanism used within our zoning to accommodate businesses that have outgrown their status as home occupations. Gagnon said that the Town is still lacking a good plan to move a growing business to a more appropriate area. ! Klingensmith said that legally the applicant can run a clothing company now, with noise, traffic and unlimited water usage. Klingensmith said that the Town would be missing out on an opportunity to put some restrictions on this property were the law not approved, and that the applicant has proven himself a willing participant to the process. Selin asked Town Planner, CJ Randall, if the property owner can voluntarily give up certain rights. Randall said that the applicant can request a use variance for a zoning change to a single parcel. Gagnon restated Selin’s question: can we put constraints in the law if the applicant volunteers them? Klingensmith added, and if so would they convey? Randall said, they are not used because they are legally indefensible. Gagnon said the alternative approach is to limit the uses, which will limit the impact. ! Planning Board Minutes -! October 15, 2015! Page David Hall stated that he is delighted to pare the document down and that he doesn't need all the uses listed in the law. Gagnon said that the Planning Board needs to make a good faith effort to review the law and pare it down to mitigate the impact and uses, making it better for the neighborhood. Kruppa said that the applicant has also requested that the Planning Board look at the local law and pare it down to what we feel is reasonable. Kruppa finished by remarking that the Planning Board will hold a special meeting in one week to review the law and work towards making a recommendation to the Town Board. ! Due to time constraints, Kruppa waived the remaining items on the agenda. ! GROUNDWATER PROTECTION LAW TOWN BOARD LIAISON REPORT PLANNING & ZONING REPORT COMPREHENSIVE PLAN REPORT ADJOURNMENT ! The meeting was adjourned at 9:07 pm. ______________________________________ Kelly Cecala, Planning Board & Board of Zoning Appeals Recording Secretary Planning Board Minutes -! October 15, 2015! Page