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Home My WebLink About2009-05-28 - TB I , bad � I f rfpp c li 6 , -iaJI . ',I ' t *1 n Si I li „I t $ ■ ,,. Y..■ f Town of Ulysses Special Town Board Meeting May 28 , 2009 PRESENT : Supervisor Douglas Austic ; Council David Kerness, Elizabeth Thomas and Lucia Tyler; Rod Ferrentino absent ; and Town Clerk Marsha L . Georgia. * * *Note : tapes are available for the full discussions Changes made to the Draft Comprehensive Plan Objective # 1 . 3 — B - delete wood and fossil fuel burning mechanisms — replace with — outdoor furnaces . Objective #2 . 3 - E — delete as appropriate — replace with — for appropriate population density. Objective #2 .4 — C - in first sentence add at the end — if design, development and implementation has a 10 year pay back Objective #2 . 5 — H — delete the last sentence Objective #5 . 1 — H — delete develop (first word) — change to Explore The Board discussed the business and Planned Unit Developments that are currently designed on the existing zoning map and that none of them on the future land use map . Mr. Austic feels that they should all be placed on the future land use map in the new comprehensive plan and if they are not it is more or less making a statement that the Town does not want to protect them . Ms . Thomas was wondering if all were agreeing with what it states now in the plan if there is an existing business and it goes out of that owner and so that now there is a new owner or there is an existing building and wants to be used by a new business are we all saying yes that is better to have a building filled or are some of us saying no that that building should be empty and taken down, because that is the way the comprehensive plan reads now . Ms . Thomas said she is not agreeing with that . Ms . Tyler thinks it depends what it is . The Board discussed this further. Mr. Austic said they way the future map would be or could be interpreted are that the existing businesses are not wanted where they are and would be grandfather in. Grandfather means that you want to get rid of them in years to come . Mr. Kerness said that the business are now zoned commercial and in the future when the new zoning is created from the new comprehensive plan they could stay commercial . Mr. Austic said that because they are not designated on the future land use map the creation of new zoning would not see any commercial zones designated accept for the Krums Corners location. The Comprehensive Plan is to be used as a guideline for new zoning. IMr. Kerness said that as a guideline it shouldn ' t be there but from a practical standpoint he believes it should be there . Ms . Tyler said she is saying that there are times perhaps when you would want to grandfather business and she thinks and is sort of in an in-between position that most of the business she would agree to have on the map but say you have a business that is spewing plastic waste or something. Mr. Austic said if we had a business like that we could grandfather it but we do not have any like that. Special Town Board Meeting 2 May 28 , 2009 Ms . Tyler said that her point is zoning is in the details and the comprehensive plan is not detailed it is overall ; it is a vision of the future and want to encourage . Mr. Austic said that any future zoning has to be based on this plan; so if it is not in the comprehensive plan them it should not be in the future. Ms . Thomas needs to think about it further. Mr. Kerness said to put the business on the map and Mr. Austic agrees . Ms . Tyler feels that they should not be on the map and put an asterisk to be considered on a case by case basis . Ms . Thomas thought that they could get into trouble and does not feel they should be handled that way. Mr. Kerness said that he has been talking to Mr. Rachun about this situation on business and PUD ' s and something like putting a twenty-five year review period and say that in twenty-five years they will be reviewed because now it only comes up for review if a person wants to change something, which can put a limitation on the use. Mr. Kerness says he does not know if that could be done on a commercial property. The Board continued this discussion. Ms. Thomas said that this section certainly needs to be re-visited and will try and come up with some language that will cover this . Mr. Kerness said that Mr. Rachun ' s recommendation was to put them on the Future Land Use Map and he said that after a lot of deliberation he is not troubled by doing that . Mr. Kerness said that if you want to take a short cut in language that does the same thing. Mr. Austic does not feel that a short cut in language would be the same thing. Ms . Tyler said that she is not in favor of putting the business and PUD ' s on the future land use because that is a vision of what they would like to see . Ms . Thomas said that she is in agreement that something needs to be in the Comprehensive Plan that preserves the possibility of using the buildings in the commercial zones now. Mr. Austic said that it would be extremely hard to word it. Ms. Thomas will work on some sort of wording to address that. The Board went back to the review. Agricultural Priority Area Second paragraph — first sentence delete uneasy — change to — by a mixture Sixth paragraph — delete support — change to related Village Residential Delete the third photo and delete the last sentence under that photo . Lakeshore Second Paragraph — 2"a sentence — ad in thin soils Second paragraph — 4th sentence — after overlay zones — ad in septic testing $.5 Special Town Board Meeting 3 May 28 , 2009 Environmental Protection Area Mr. Austic said that the description may be alright but he has a problem where it is located on the map and is a broad based design . Ms . Thomas said that she had talked with Ms . Poelvoorde about this . The Board agrees that they need to talk with Bergmann so that they can explain the rational to as where they put the outline of this area on the map . Someone will ask Andy with Bergmann to explain this when he comes down for the meeting. Ms . Tyler would like to see included in the explanation about lands with thin soils (will look for a better word) . It was noted that this same statement should be under Lakeshore Area. Ad the following sentence in the Lakeshore Area The environmental sensitivity of this area demands establishing strong zoning regulations to guide appropriate scale development and protect the significant natural resources in this area. 4th paragraph delete scale historically — and replace with current scale Conservation Area Take the last sentence in paragraph 2 and ad this to the Lakeshore Area description Office and Technology Mixed Use No changes were made in the description the Board discussed the area designated on the map and made some changes. This is another area that the Board would like explanation as to why this particular area was chosen and the size . Ms . Thomas took the map and made some changes to indicate what the Board was thinking. Transitional Commercial Delete small-scale before grocery store in the last paragraph. The Board ended the review on page 51 . The next scheduled meeting is for June 1St, 2009 at 7 : 00 pm. Respectfully submitted, Marsha L . Georgia Ulysses Town Clerk MLG : mlg l i