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HomeMy WebLinkAboutZBA Minutes 1971-12-01 Town of Ithaca Zoning Board ® December 1 , 1971 The Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals held a regular meeting on Tuesday , December 1 , 1971 , at 7 : 30 p . m . in the Town of Ithaca offices , 108 E . Green Street , Ithaca , New York . PRESENT % Chairman David Powers , Roger Sovocool , Loran Marion , Ronald Metz , and David Cowan . PUBLIC HEARING - P & C SIGN : A public hearing was held to hear the appeal of P & C Food Markets , Appellant , from the decision of the Zoning Officer denying permission to erect a sign at their store at East Hill Plaza ( Kennilworth Assoc . ) . The permit was denied under Art . VIII , Sect . 44 - 4 of the Zoning Ordinance . Mr . Tom Henry and Nick DeCherico were present representing P & C . Mr . Henry reported that this sign was the standard size for all P & C food markets . It is approximately 5 feet high and would extend a length of approximately 100 ' on the south wall of the building . It is a plastic sign , flush to the wall , and is not lighted . ® Mrs . Carl Valentino , 110 Eastern Heights Drive , asked what the need is for this large a sign . She pointed out the market is not located on a major highway , and therefore a large sign would not be serving to attract potential customers . She also pointed out that the downtown store does not have a sign this large . Mr . Henry responded that this is a prototype sign used by P & C all over the state . He showed a picture of another store in the Syracuse area with the same type sign as being proposed . Peter Francese , Town Planning Consultant , reported that the maximun size allowed for a sign in a commerical or light indus - trial " district is one sign totaling 100 sq . ft . or two signs totaling 50 sq , ft . each . It was pointed out that P & C could possibly reduce their sign to the 100 sq . ft . Mrs . Barbara Holcomb , Chairman of the Town Planning Board , pointed out that if P & C chose the option of having one sign of 100 sq . ft . , they would then not be able to have a second sign on the pilon in the plaza . Another area resident , Mrs . Blydah Baldwin , protested the construction of such a lame sign since it opens the door for ® other businesses in the development to also construct large signs . - 2 - tt �� l� Roger Sovocool reported that if and when the Board receives sign proposals from other businesses in the Plaza , each proposal will be considered independently of the the P & C sign . However , . the Board would have to be on the defensive if it did approve a larger sign for the P & C since it would be setting a precedent . Mr . Peter Francese reported that the Town Planning Board is presently considering the adoption of a new Sign Ordinance . The proposed Ordinance was given Board members to read for consideration at the Planning Board ' s next meeting on December 21 . Mr . Walter Schwan , Town Supervisor , asked Mr . Henry if P & C would suffer any financial difficulties if this question of sign size was not resolved until April since the Town Board is now in the process of presenting a new Zoning Ordinance and a new Sign Ordinance . He requested that action be deferred at least until the Sign Ordinance is enacted . Robert Nixon , representing the Ithaca Sierra Club , stated his concern was the snowball effect permitting such a large sign could have on the community in general . Mr . Henry reported that the sign was built in proportion to the building in order to give a better appearance . Mr . Henry recommended that in adopting a new sign ordinance the proportion of a sign to the size of a structure should be . considered . The same size sign should not be permitted on a very small structure ® as would be on a much larger building . Mr . Nixon reported that in Denver , sign size was determined by a percentage of total frontage , such as 10 % . David Powers asked if there were any stipulations concerning construction of signs when approval was given this plan initially . Barbara Holcomb reported that no signs were proposed in the original plan brought to the Planning Board . This sign is separate and distinct from the Family Bargain Center Sign . Mrs . Barbara Livesay read a letter from a neighbor , Mr . and Mrs . Bernard Gittelman , stating their objection to the size of the proposed P & C sign . The Board recessed at 8 : 30 p . m . for consideration of the subject . After the recess , David Powers asked Mr . Henry if he would consider postponing this appeal until on or about March 1 , 1972 at which time the new Sign Ordinance should be in effect . Mr . Henry reported that the store is scheduled to be opening in mid - January or February and they would want some type of sign . Mr . Powers suggested some type of temporary sign until the Board acts on this appeal after the nev%L.Sign Ordinance is enacted . L Discussion was held and Mr . Henry agreed to postpone action on this appeal until around March 1 . Until such time , the sign from the old store will be used as a temporary sign , and will be internally lite ( 7xll ) . The sign will be put by the store entrance . Roger Sovocool made a motion to adjourn the meeting and defer action on P & C appeal until around March 1 or as soon as practical after new Sign Ordinance is put into effect . The Board will notify the appellant at such time . The motion alas seconded by David Powers , and unanimo sly ap 46) ed . The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 10 p . m . Respectfully sub fitted , Charlene Lawson , Acting Secretary