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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 2006-11-21PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 REGULAR MEETING ALE TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD DATE "M TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 21, 2006 215 NORTH TIOGA STREET, ITHACA NY 14850 The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, in Town Hall, 215 North Tioga Street, Ithaca, New York, at 7:00 p.m. PRESENT Fred Wilcox, Chairperson; Eva Hoffmann, Members Tracy Mitrano, Board Member; Board Members Kevin Talty, Board Member. Board Member; George Conneman, Board Larry Thayer, Board Members Rod Howe, STAFF Jonathan Kanter, Director of Planning; Daniel Walker, Director of Engineering; Susan Brock, Attorney for the Town; Christine Balestra, Planners Nicole Tedesco, Planner; Carrie Coates Whitmore, Deputy Town Clerk. EXCUSED Susan Ritter, Assistant Director of Planning; Mike Smith, Environmental Planner. OTHERS Patricia Haines, 1519 Slaterville Road; Dan Hoffman, City Attorneys Don Smith, 1329 Taughannock Boulevard; Richard Mennen, 997 Taughannock Boulevards Bill Lesser, 406 Coddington Road; Will Burbank, 132 Glenside Road; Bruce Brittain, 135 Warren Road, Mark Macera, Executive Director of Longview; David Corson, 5 Pleasant Grove. Lane, Joe Crookston, 185 Westhaven Road; Katherine Beissner, 17 Chase Lane; Roger Segelken, 114 Texas Lane; Cande Carrol, Mitchell Street; Joel Harlan, Newfield; Michael Ben, Warren Road; Dave Schossler, Schopfer Architects; Stacey Whitney, Overlook; -Kris Hodges, 16 Saunders Road. CALL TO ORDER Chairperson Wilcox declares the meeting duly opened at 7 :05 p.m., and accepts for the record Secretary's Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of Public Hearings in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on November 13, 2006 and November 15, 2006, together with the properties under discussion, as appropriate, upon the Clerks of the City of Ithaca and the Town of Danby, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of Planning, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of Public Works, and upon the applicants and /or agents, as appropriate, on November 15, 2006. Chairperson Wilcox states the Fire Exit Regulations to those assembled, as required by the New York State Department of State, Office of Fire Prevention and Control. 1 PERSONS TO BE HEARD Chairperson Wilcox invited any on matters not on the agenda address the Board. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 member of the audience wishing to address the Board to come forward. There was no one present wishing to SEQR Haines 2 -Lot Subdivision, 1519 Slaterville Road Patricia Haines, 1519 Slaterville Road Patricia Haines, 1519 Slaterville Road, Ithaca. Chairperson Wilcox — Did you want to make a short statement or not? Ms. Haines — I was delighted when the City of Ithaca approached me with the suggestions that they would like to buy this portion of my land. I have been. in Ithaca for 35 years. Lived at the corner of Cornell and State for 30 years. Raised my children wandering around the Six Mile Creek Reserve and the thought that this beautiful land that was part of the old farm that I purchased in 2000 could become forever part of the City nature reserve has meant a great deal to me and that is why I am here. Chairperson Wilcox — Very good. Thank you. Procedural -wise the first thing we will do is the environmental determination and should we make a negative determination of significant impact, then we will actually get to the consideration of the subdivision and we will give the public a chance to speak should they so chose.. I don't think that we have any environmental... Board Member Thayer — No environmental... Chairperson Wilcox — We don't have any negative environmental issues here, I think. Board Member Thayer — So I'll move the SEQR. Chairperson Wilcox — So moved by Larry Thayer. Board Member Conneman — Second. Chairperson Wilcox — Seconded by? Who seconded? Seconded by George Conneman. Board Member Hoffmann — Yeah, I was going to say to me it seems like a positive environmental thing... Board Member Thayer — Absolutely. Board Member Hoffmann — ...that it will have a positive environmental impact. 2 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox - Any further discussion? There being none, all those in favor please signal by saying aye. Board Aye. Chairperson Wilcox - Anybody opposed? No one I opposed. There are no abstentions. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2006 -111; SEAR, Preliminary and Final Subdivision, Haines 2 4ot Subdivision, 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel 56 -1 -1 MOTION made by Board Member Thayer, seconded by Board Member Conneman. WHEREAS; 1. This is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed 2 -Lot subdivision located at 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 56 -1 -1, Medium Density Residential and Conservation Zones The proposal is to subdivide off a 4.463 + /- acre parcel from the southwestern end of the 8.112 + 1- acre parcel, which will then be consolidated with City of Ithaca watershed lands. Patricia F. Haines, Owners/ Applicant, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is acting as Lead Agency in this uncoordinated environmental review with respect to Subdivision Approval, and 3. The Planning Board, on November 21, 2006, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by. the applicant, and Part II prepared by Town Planning staff, and a plan entitled, "Subdivision Map, No. 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York, "prepared by Allen T. Fulkerson, dated December 12, 2005, and other application materials, and 4. The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance with respect to the proposed subdivision; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOL VED: That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental significance for the reasons set forth in the Environmental Assessment Form Part II referenced above, in accordance with the New York State Environmental K PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be required. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Thayer, Howe, Talty. NA YS.• None. ABSENT.• Mitrano. The Motion was declared to be carried. PUBLIC HEARING Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision approval for the proposed 2 -lot subdivision located at 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 56 -14, Medium Density Residential Zone and Conservation Zone. The proposal is to subdivide off a 4.463 +/= acre parcel from the southwestern end of the 8.112 +/- acre parcel, which will then be consolidated with City of Ithaca watershed lands. Patricia F. Haines; Owner /Applicant. Chairperson Wilcox reads the public hearing notice. Chairperson Wilcox — Questions of Ms. Haines? There being none, .is there anything you would like to say at this point? Ms. Haines - No. Nothing further. Chairperson Wilcox — Very good. I will ask you to take a. seat and we will give the public a chance to speak. Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:08 p.m. and invited members of the public to address the board. Chairperson Wilcox — Professional address will do, by the way. Dan Hoffman, City Attorney Good evening. My name is Dan Hoffman. I'm the attorney for the City of Ithaca at 108 East Green Street. Here to speak on behalf of the City in support of this subdivision. This issue is arising because of the City's offer to purchase the back portion of Ms. Haines's property. The intention of the City is to add that parcel to over 700 acres of City owned land, which serves to protect the water supply for the City of Ithaca and to provide the Six Mile Creek Natural Area, which is a passive recreation area as well as a preserve for natural resources. So if anybody had any questions I would be glad to answer them. The City came before this board last spring and you approved the subdivision of an adjacent property, which was a very similar situation albeit a 0 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 somewhat smaller property. I will also mention that the City believes that its raw water main runs through a portion of the parcel to be subdivided and it be conveyed to the City and we think it makes sense for the City to have ownership of that particular corridor as well. Board Member Howe — I'll move the resolution. Chairperson Wilcox — I haven't closed the public hearing yet. I think we all applaud the City for continuing to purchase lands and add them to the preserve. Anybody else? With no one else present wishing to speak, Chairperson Wilcox closes the public hearing at 7:10 p.m. Chairperson Wilcox — Rod? Board Member Howe — I'll move the resolution. Chairperson Wilcox — So moved by Rod Howe. Board Member Hoffmann — I'll second. Chairperson Wilcox — Seconded by Eva Hoffmann. All set over there? I have a question. Is this the old Lowe residence? Ms. Haines — Yes. Chairperson Wilcox — motion and a second. by saying aye. Board — Aye. Yes, it is. I went to school with Cass, by the way. I have a There being no further discussion, all those in favor please signal Chairperson Wilcox — Anybody opposed? No one is opposed. There are no abstentions. The motion is passed. We're done. Thank you very much. That is the definition of a simple 2 -lot subdivision PB RESOLUTION NO. 200&112: Preliminary and Final Subdivision, Haines 2- Lot Subdivision, 1519 S/atervi //e Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel 56 -1 -1 MOTION made by Board Member Howe, seconded by Board Member Hoffmann. WHEREAS: A PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 1. This is consideration of pi 6i irifriary acid Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed 2 -Lot subdivision located at 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 56 -1 -1, Medium Density Residential and Conservation Zones The proposal is to subdivide off a 4.463 + /- acre parcel from the southwestern end of the 8.112 + /- acre parcel, which will then be consolidated with City of Ithaca watershed lands. Patricia F. Haines, Owners/ Applicant, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as Lead Agency in environmental review with respect to Subdivision Approval, has, on November 21, 2006, made a negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and a Part II prepared by Town Planning staff, and 3. The Planning Board, on November 21, 2006, has reviewed and accepted a plat entitled, "Subdivision Map, No. 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York, " prepared by Allen T. Fulkerson, dated December 12, 2005, and other application materials, and 4. The existing home is a lawful, non - conforming structure in terms of front yard setback and the proposed subdivision will create two conforming lots and thus not further increase the existing non - conformity, and 5. The creation of the subdivision will not change the property owners rights or obligations under Section 270 -205 regarding non - conforming structures, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements. for Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final Subdivision Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of subdivision control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and 2, That the Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed 2 -Lot subdivision located at 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 56 -1 -1, as shown on the plat entitled, "Subdivision Map, No. 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York, "dated December 12, 2005, subject to the following conditions:. a. Submission for signing by the Chairman of the Planning Board of an original or mylar copy of the final subdivision plat, and three dark -lined prints, prior to filing with the Tompkins County Clerks Office, and A PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 submission of a receipt of filing to the Town of Ithaca Planning Department, and b. Within six months of this approval, consolidation of the subdivided southwestern part of Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel 56 -1 -1 (4.463 + 1- acres) with City of Ithaca Watershed lands, and submission to the Town of Ithaca Planning Department of a copy of the request to the Tompkins County Assessment Office for consolidation of said parcels A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Thayer, Mitrano, Howe, Talty. NA YS None. The Motion was declared to be carried unanimously. PUBLIC HEARING Consideration of a recommendation to the Town of Ithaca Town Board regarding the draft Town of Ithaca Transportation Plan. Chairperson Wilcox - Welcome to the first of two Public Hearings on the proposed Town of Ithaca Transportation Plan. As stated in the "Town of Ithaca Transportation Plan in a Nutshell" the common theme of the plan is to "decrease the prominence of privately owned motor vehicles and their impact on communities and the environment in part by increasing the availability of alternatives like mass transit, biking walking and so on." To this I would add; thereby protecting and enhancing our neighborhoods. The Planning Board is holding this initial Public Hearing. because the Town Board has referred the plan, as currently drafted, to the Planning Board for review and recommendation. The purpose of the public hearing is to solicit comments from the general public that could impact the plan and assist the Planning Board in making its' determination and recommendation. Development of the Transportation Plan began in the fall of 2003 when a transportation survey was administered to Town residents. This was then followed by three public information meetings, the first in 2004 addressed the goals of the Plan, the topic of the second, held the following year was the Inventory and Analysis section and the third meeting, held in May of this year, focused on the Review of the Preliminary Recommendations of the Plan. In addition to the three public information meetings, copies of the draft Transportation Plan have been available on the Town's website for download and review. Included are the Executive Summary and Volumes I — III consisting of the Plan itself, Appendices and Design Guidelines.. With your input this evening, the Planning Board will consider a recommendation to the Town Board that the proposed Plan be adopted, possibly with some revisions. Nicole Tedesco, the Planner who has been mainly responsible, is here this evening. I would like to know if members of the audience would like a 3 -5 minute 7 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 presentation or not, or whether most of you are familiar ... I have. a young woman nodding her head back there ... so Nicole...I think you are prepared. Ms. Tedesco - There are four main sections of the Plan. The first section is the Goals and Objectives. That part was written in 2003 and it outlines the vision for the Transportation Plan. As Fred mentioned, .the overriding theme that cuts through the whole Plan is to protect the quality of life in the Town. The second and largest section is the Inventory and Analysis. That section goes mode by mode and mode means whether it is a motor vehicle or bicycle or walking and so on... So it goes mode by mode and examines the transportation system ... the road system or the current system for trails for bicyclists or pedestrians. It also examines non - tangible aspects and after analyzing those existing conditions it identifies strengths and weaknesses in the current system and then it identifies needs. From all of that information, there is a section called the Alternatives section where you will find a listing of all the main problems identified.in the Plan and then for each problem there are suggested alternatives and for each alternative there is a very brief summary of the main positives and negatives associated with that type of alternative. Finally, the recommendations of the Plan go through all of, the main things examined in the Plan from roadways and biking and walking and so on and provides some more general recommendations, sort of guiding vision statements and then some specific projects. So the Plan is organized around three documents. The first one that I outlined is the Plan document itself, the second document is the Appendices and that is where there is a large amount of actual data and information and maps and so on and the third document is a set of design guidelines which is a theme that came up often throughout that Plan is that the Town currently doesn't have any vision for how a streetscape should look or how the overall transportation network should grow and develop and re- develop and so these design guidelines actually are three sets of toolboxes and they include information for the streetscape; and what I mean by that is the travel lanes and shoulders and planting strips and street trees and so on, and even beyond that, what types of land use development will support alternate modes like walking and biking. The second design guideline set is for bicyclist and pedestrian design and the third is for traffic calming. Those are not meant to be actual engineering standards, they are meant to be general guidelines of ideas and different options that the Planning Board or the Town Board can use when they evaluate new development or consider re- development. And that is the Transportation Plan in about two minutes. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — I didn't want to distract from your presentation but I was going to sit here and hold up Volume I which is over a hundred pages and Volume II, Appendices and Maps which is about the same size and Volume III, which is the Design Guidelines... There is probably 250 -300 pages of material here. Would any members of Planning Board wish to make a statement before we get going? At 7:20, the next item is a Public Hearing for consideration of a recommendation to the Town of Ithaca Town Board regarding the Draft Town of Ithaca Transportation Plan. Mr. Kanter — This has gone through our Transportation Committee for the last three or four years and we have some of the Transportation Committee members here tonight. Will Burbank is the Chair of the Committee, Tom Neiderkorn, a former Town Board member is also on the Committee and George Conneman, a member of our Board is also on that Committee and Bill Lesser, - formerly a Town Board Member, was the Chair of the Transportation Committee for several years. These people are here also to hear all of it and to make some comments on it as well. Chairperson Wilcox - If it is alright with this Board, I think we will jump right in. and give the public a chance to speak. Ladies and Gentlemen, once again, we will ask you to raise your hand, we will call on you, please come to the microphone, we ask that you give your name and address, professional address works, we do not put time limits, generally on public hearings, but we do ask that you stick to the topic and to the point and we will be most interested to hear what you have to say. Bill Lesser, Ithaca Thank you Fred and thank you to the Board for this opportunity to speak. As ]on mentioned, I'm Bill Lesser, ex -Town Board, ex -Chair of the Transportation Committee I want to say first, as a technical document, this is excellent. Well written, well structured and presented and a great deal of compiled information that is readily accessible. As a transportation document, I see at least two distinct shortcomings. One has to do with the major alternative to vehicle transportation ... I think we are all in agreement that automobile trans ... over relying on automobiles in the Town of Ithaca, as we are throughout North America ... and there are both community and environmental impact as a consequence of it. However, the major alternative that is used here and throughout the country to private vehicles is, of course, public transportation and not bicycles and pedestrians as one ... foot traffic as one might get the impression looking at the way the Plan is structured and the recommendations. Yet when it comes to conclusions about public transportation, the following discussion, it says, and I quote, "The Town may need to provide funding for TCAT in order to maintain and enhance vital services." Well, when I left the Town Board, just about a year ago now, it seems to me TCAT was pretty well poised to indeed ask the Town to contribute to its' operating funds and activities, maybe things have changed a lot but probably not. It A PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 seems to me that a plan ... there ought to.be some discussion in here about how. the Board would consider requests for funding TCAT. This is something that impacts the whole community and certainly the largest group of non - drivers in the, community. Certainly if I was still on the Board, I would look to a document like this to say how do I think about it? What's a vital service? What's another dollar contributed to TCAT purchase for me? But yet there's really nothing beyond a statement that something may happen in the future. I would suggest to Planning Board that they recommend to the Town Board that that section be enhanced before the Plan is indeed finalized. The second, I think really significant issue related to transportation is indeed the safety matter. And of course the major problem is safety. The data is right in there. More than a third of the accidents are related to collisions with animals which we all know are deer. And yet when it comes to the statement about what to do about it and again I quote, the Plan concludes "there is little it (that is the Town) can do to directly prevent deer - related crashes." Well that is really not quite true. The Town could thin the deer population as a number of other communities are doing and probably more will in the future. Of course that's not a decision that the Transportation Committee should make but I think it is a kind of recommendation that should be in the document like this. I think we are coming to that point. I think that's a significant public safety hazard in this area and it is just good luck that I don't believe there have been any fatalities, human fatalities as a consequence of these accidents. Rather. there is a great deal of emphasis on the 1.3% of accidents over the period studied related to bicycles and pedestrians and I admit that there is something particularly vulnerable about that group, but nonetheless, if one's looking at how a plan can serve the greatest public good, it's in dealing with automobile crashes and not bicycles and pedestrians and yet that's the area were I am quoted to the article in the Ithaca Journal on Monday, that the Town Board had put it's additional money again. And so, having been on the Planning Board for a while, it seems to me that the Plan, to a large degree, has moved from a transportation plan to a recreation plan. I mean see the plans and designs here. There is nothing wrong, I think in anybody's mind, in providing bicycle paths and walkways but as the Plan acknowledges, that has really very little to do, for most of us, with transportation. It's recreation, maybe a lot of us ought to recreate more but again, I think it is a little misleading to present this as a Transportation Plan when, again, most of the people, as acknowledged in here, that use those services, use them for recreational purposes and I would hope that be judged and I have a written statement I can leave. Chairperson Wilcox — Would you take questions? Any questions? There aren't any. Thanks Will. Roger Segelken, Citizens Steering Committee of the Walk - ability Study, Tompkins County I would like to make some affirmative comments having read the Executive Summary of the Program. Have to do with walking and use of public transportation. 10 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 One concerns sidewalks. I live in the part of the Village of Cayuga Heights that doesn't have sidewalks, so that is something of an issue for me. My transportation patterns tend to involve, where I live and where I work which is East Hill Plaza. I work for Cornell and I walk or take the bus or drive or some combination to get to, back and forth to those two places. About sidewalks, I recognize the problem of retro fitting sidewalks to existing areas where they haven't been ... much the problem of who should pay for those as to frontage on the property and so forth. Even though some of the developers who built some of those areas are still around and looking for approval for more developments. But I would like to say that in the future, the construction of sidewalks and curbing for the streets and storm drainage and things like that could be leveraged on the approval that is needed from the Town of new subdivisions. As far as Park - and -Ride areas for bus transportation, you note in the study that there are no existing official Park - and -Rides in the Town of Ithaca. I think everybody agrees that Park - and -Rides are a good thing. I would like to suggest that in siting those in the future, you look at the places where there are unofficial Park - and -Rides now and that would, for instance, be places like the parking area of East Hill Plaza. East Hill Plaza is owned by Cornell but it is managed by a private management firm and it has come to their attention that people are using that parking area for Park - and -Ride and then they take the TCAT busses to Cornell campus or whatever and ... another smaller Park -and- Ride is I believe it is a three hour limit, it is parking spaces that serve the Town's walking trail that serves Cascadilla Creek... people will park there all day and they are either walking to campus or they are taking the bus to campus, there are bus routes all through there. But that would indicate that at least in that part of Town there is a need for the Park - and -Ride. The final point is, and again it involves Cornell, and I would urge the Town to cooperate with the University whenever possible when building new walkways ... the East Hill Plaza is an example ... of a neighborhood where Cornell is putting more and more employees and there is a new office building going there and there is probably a couple hundred people already working there and whether you follow the cow path method of planning where you look to see where people are already walking and formalize those walkways but ... again, I think that whenever you have a chance to leverage some of these improvements that Cornell might make on the approvals that the University needs to build these things, that's a good opportunity to make more facilities for pedestrian traffic. Chairperson Wilcox — I will point out that that's part of the current Cornell office building that is being constructed on Pine Tree Road behind the Ciser facility, part of that included sidewalks all the way down to Maple Avenue, for example and we should also point out that as part of Rite -Aid, the new Rite -Aid across the street and up the road, we spent a considerable amount of time dealing with pedestrian traffic both on the existing ... I can't call it a sidewalk, Jon Kanter ... the one that goes up Mitchell Street ... the Town calls it a walkway ... and the existing walkway and into the parking lot 11 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 and then the traffic into across the street. into East Hill Plaza, so we appreciate what you are saying and we know that we have leverage at certain times and we have to use it. We have also started to ... we should think of the two subdivisions up on South Hill. Both the Auble subdivision and the Simkin's one where we have requested... demanded... Board Member Thayer — And Nicole has included guidelines on how sidewalks should be constructed which means that it give us more leverage to say to the developer, you don't know how to do it, here's how to do it. Board Member Hoffmann — I would like to comment on the Park - and -Ride lots. There had been proposals, actually, to put parking lots right near East Hill Plaza, it was quite a few years ago now, but to me, it looked like Park - and -Ride lots for Cornell rather than Park - and -Ride lots for the Town of Ithaca or the community as a whole because if you put them very close, along the edges of Cornell University, then people still have to drive through, in their individual cars, through the City and the Town of Ithaca and other communities from outlying areas where they live. So they don't really function very well to cut down traffic except to central campus. So the Park - and -Ride lots, to my way of thinking about it, have to be further out so that they capture people before they drive through the residential areas around the university area. Then they take busses from there and that would cut down on traffic through the areas where people live, close to the center of Ithaca. I hope that that is what we will do. Mr. Segelken — I understand what you are saying, I also believe that even removing a small amount of traffic through a little bit of the Town would help everyone. Another use of Park - and -Ride lots, besides the public TCAT transportation could be for long distance bussing like the Shortline busses that go to New York City. Right now there is a very limited amount of parking at the bus terminal downtown and a lot of people, including myself, will park in the Greenstar lot and I don't know how they feel about that, but by looking at where the TCAT routes go and where the Shortline and Greyhound routes go, I think you could find people that would be very happy to find a place where they could park their car. Board Member Mitrano — I have a particular question, not meant to be incriminating, but what is your evidence for the East Hill Plaza being a Park - and -Ride for Cornell? Mr. Segelken — I don't necessarily believe that but the management of the Plaza has asked everyone who works there to register their car so that they will not be ticketed... Board Member Mitrano — Right. That was why I was interested because as far as I had heard...there was considerable enforcement so if there was some way that this was still occurring, not withstanding the enforcement that would be interesting for Cornell to know. 12 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Mr. Segelken — I have no evidence ... Chairperson Wilcox — We have heard that it has been a problem in the past... Board Member Mitrano — But there has been enforcement so I was wondering if there was something going on under the radar of that enforcement. Richard Mennen, Taughannock Boulevard, West Side Homeowners Association This is an organization that has been recently reconstituted. We have had a couple of meetings, 50 -some people have come, and we have divided into several committees and I have the luck of being the Chairman of the Truck Committee. Which is about transportation, particularly about trucks, along Route 89 and we just started doing our investigation and trying to find out information about it at this point. But the more information we get the more we realize that a lot of people that live along that long stretch that of course extends outside of the Town, I have information from people all the way up to the Taughannock Falls Park, that the truck traffic is a problem and a danger to the residents and people that live there. I'm lucky to be there, I moved there in 2004 and I'm not a person that generally becomes involved in these types of activities but, once I was driving down towards Ithaca and I know that this is a bike path, a signed bike path, and while I'm driving down there are a half -dozen kids on bikes, with an adult supervisor, coming up. Right in the area where residents are parking on both sides of the road and if you know the road, there is very little shoulder there. Well, I have also been there when these huge garbage trucks, coming probably from downstate to the landfill that's near Waterloo, I think it is the Seneca something landfill, they come through Ithaca on their way there and they barrel up that road and if there was a time when there was a truck coming both ways and there were bicyclists on the shoulder, there's a tragedy in the making. It is extremely dangerous. Also, residents coming out of that area on these steep driveways, it is very difficult to see the traffic and in particularly in the winter time when the road and the driveway are slick, that's another great danger and people who live down towards Taughannock, I know beyond your geographical purview, report to me that there have been accidents there from trucks because that's downhill and they, what's the phrase? They jack- brake ?:..but they don't slow down much and it is extremely difficult coming out of those driveways to turn left and head towards Town. Furthermore, 88 -89, I don't know when, I think relatively recently, has been made a scenic byway. I don't know if truck traffic is appropriate on a scenic byway, but anyway, it's a problem and one of the pieces of research that one of the people on our committee came up was I believe in 2002 a Transportation Planning Committee from this body came up with specific recommendations that truck traffic be routed to Route 96, away from Route 89 and that signs be put up to indicate that. Route 96, ones is a more appropriate route because it is classified as an arterial route where 89 is classified as a collector route. Arterial routes generally have more significant traffic it is my 13 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 understanding if my research about this is correct, and that the recommendation was that the Planning Committee or Transportation Committee or somebody connected With the Town looked to how traffic coming to the other side of Taughannock Falls could be rerouted away from Route 89 and that this was something that would be looked to in the future but I don't believe it ever was. So our concern is, and then I just found out about yesterday about this public meeting, so I want to have questions, what could Planning or what could the document that you are sending forward do to address these questions and concerns of excessive truck traffic and could you, also I just glanced over the document, do more to push the State, DOT or whoever, else needs to, to address this problem which I know is not only a problem for us here ... By the way, routing the trucks on 96 would solve the problem on Route 89, if it could be done, but basically, these trucks should not be coming through Ithaca at all. There's no reason why they can't go up Route 81 to the thruway and come down t this huge landfill and there is I think 500 of these trucks that move daily to that landfill. Of course we don't get all 500, but I think we get a significant number of them. I don't know what this committee or what the Town can do in terms of routing truck traffic away from one area into another area, but I'd be curious to know if there is something you can do, if you consider it to be a problem, and how can I help. Board Member Mitrano — I have a couple of questions. Is your team of people looking into this aware of any particular weight limits on 89 that could be used to enforce the truck traffic? Mr. Mennen — No. I am making a note of that. Board Member Mitrano - Would one of the recommendations that your group would want to make is to establish those kinds of weight.limits? . Mr. Mennen — Yeah. How do you do that? Board Member Mitrano — Beats me. And then ... you said there were 500 and where ... I wonder where he got that information... Mr. Mennen — I believe that information came from ... Chuck Schumer, just recently gave a quite impassioned speech about the problem of this particular truck traffic. Board Member Mitrano - Chuck Schumer the Senator? Interesting. 500 a day? Mr. Mennen — 500 a day coming to the landfill, mostly from downstate, I presume. Chairperson Wilcox — Before you go, we should talk about who controls the State highways and ...and that is the State of New York. 14 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Mr. Kanter — Also, I would like to make a clarification that that recommendation for the shift in truck movements actually was the County's Freight Study which was not done by the Town but it was done by the Ithaca Tompkins County Transportation Council, which I am also a member of that committee. So there is a lot of communication between the municipalities and a lot of the coordination of the transportation issues are done through the Transportation Council. That's where that recommendation came and it really is a bigger, it's a regional issue, it's not something that any one municipality can even begin to address. It really is something that the Transportation Council as a whole has talked about and is probably the best mechanism to address it. But, as Fred was saying, State Routes are basically designed more for truck traffic than local roads are and to get a change requires a big change in the way the State thinks about a given road. So, we would have to, through a regional effort, get major changes in how trucks are routed through the area. It's not an individual street -by- street problems it's an area wide problem, as you've said. Mr. Mennen — Is that something then that the Town, the Planning Commission or other committees in the Town then, would then interface with the Tompkins County Transportation Council to... Mr. Kanter — It's this Board and also the Town Board and then through our own Transportation Committee... It's kind of the central place where these things are discussed. Again, we have very limited influence and authority over something like a State Road, Mr. Mennen — Right. But now, speed limits can be altered within the Town, is that correct? Mr. Kanter - Again, only by the State. All the Town Board can do is basically petition the State to lower or change speed limits on a State Highway. The Town has no actual authority over that. Mr. Mennen — So you could petition, for example, that the speed limit be reduced from 45 to 30 throughout the Route 89 to wherever the border is for the Town. Mr. Kanter — Yes. That is certainly a possibility, that the neighborhood could send a petition in to the Town Board to lower the speed limit from x to y location and then the Town Board could forward that to the State. Chairperson Wilcox — I think our experience here, over the years that I have sat on this Board, we have made some recommendations to the Town Board asking them to petition the State to lower a speed limit, that is our authority. It's pretty interesting... some roads are Town Roads, some roads are County Roads, some roads are State Roads ... We don't even have much impact on County Roads. I am thinking of the Rite -Aid on Pine Tree Road where we can tell the County what we would like to see 15 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 in terms of the crosswalk and how we'd like it marked so that pedestrians... so that the walk is easily seen by the vehicles traffic so that pedestrians are safer, but eventually, the ultimate decision is the County's because that is a County Road. Same way with State Roads... unbelievable that the State has to approve changes in speed limits on Town Roads, but that's the way it is. I like your idea of it being a regional effort though. To lower speed limits on 89 to work with the City of Ithaca, the Town of Ithaca... potentially the Town of Ulysses, depending on how far out we want to push it. I see that as policy issue and coming from the Town Board rather than the Planning Board. And we could certainly, if we felt it appropriate, recommend to the Town Board: That's about where our jurisdiction ends. Board Member Talty — Eighty -nine is a good example of bicycle traffic though. We promote bicycle traffic up 89 and East Shore Drive too, but 89 in particular is really bad. Parking on both sides and no way to put one in there either. Mr. Mennen — I was struck with that this was a tragedy in the making. It could happen at some point and well it was quite horrendous to contemplate that. Don Smith, 1329 Taughannock Boulevard I am one of the members of the Steering Committee of the West Shore Home Owner's Association and I am also doing some of the research in relation to the truck issue as one of our committees. I wanted to give you some of the facts on this thing and I would be more than happy, if you would give me some e-mail addresses, I will give you the specifics on some of the sources of my information... The issue here is being driven by Seneca Meadows Landfill, about one mile north of Waterloo. This is a huge facility, 700 acres. They accept 6000; they have capabilities of accepting 6000 tons of garbage per day. That is an excess of 500 trucks per day. This is primarily from the New York metropolitan area, contracted out to various and a sundry contract trucks. Many of these are individuals who make a living driving their truck and if they can reduce their expenses, it goes into their pocket. They are bypassing the interstate highways for two reasons. One, to reduce tolls, it is very expensive to drive a truck, especially an 8.1. I saw one this morning ... a 22 -wheel truck going off 89, going left through the City of Ithaca because they come in from 79 through our City ... these are accidents that will happen ... this is not a question of if, it's a question of how many people these trucks are going to kill coming through town. These are 22 -wheel trucks that cannot turn the turns ... you've seen this happen. So some additional facts; So what they are doing is staying off of 90 to save the tolls, and they are also staying off of 81, not just simply because'of the tolls because there is no tolls there or on highway 80, but what they do is eliminate the weight stations. They eliminate the safety checks. 16 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Let me give you a perspective from a quote from Senator Schumer, and this is an issue that many, many politicians in many other areas and one of the things that I noticed which was, I don't understand it, especially this being Ithaca, I've lived here for almost 20 years and have lived on Route 89 for about 5 years ... It's naked by its' absence. The Ithaca - Tompkins concern on this issue. We have concerns on 5 and 20, that entire route is also being severely affected and all the local politicians are impacting that. Skaneateles etc, etc. Here's a quote from the October 19, 2006 press release from Senator Schumer. "Truck drivers are circumventing the highway system but our local communities are paying the price. These trucks are evading tolls, and weigh stations and are instead driving on our neighborhood streets, taxing the roadways and diminishing the quality of life in otherwise peaceful communities. It is time for the government to step up and preserve the way of life in these communities." This is awful and this is fairly recent and nowhere in your report or in your study or anywhere do I see any concerns about this in relation to the City of Ithaca or our county. Route 89 in particular, we are a scenic highway. I live on the road, we are a scenic highway, we are a winery for our tourists of the wineries. Bicyclists... one of the primary focuses of this is for getting people out of their cars, onto the sidewalk onto the streets on their bicycles and their feet, right? This is counter ... Two of the primary concerns in your, in relation to your report, two of your top three objectives is; One - Safety and Two - Quality of Life. And those trucks are in fact hurting both of those issues. A couple of other quick points, and we cannot underestimate this organization, Seneca Meadows, notice Seneca Meadows landfill... isn't that cool... this is a $175 million dollar organization, it was acquired several years ago by a very large multi - billion dollar corporation, they are extraordinarily well connected, extraordinarily well funded, they contributed $2,000,000 to the Seneca area community tax rolls, they have huge leverage. But there are huge numbers of organizations,. individually, that are going to slow them down, at least. All we want to do is, we want to, from the West Shore Home Owner's Association; 1. We want to get them off of Route 89 and 2. We should also at the same time, get them out of the City, this is crazy. That is about all I have ... I. have some additional facts and if you want I will e- mail you some hyper links that might be of value. Chairperson Wilcox — Whose email do you want to give out? Mr. Kanter — Why don't we do mine, which is jkanter @town.ithaca.ny.us 17 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — We will write it down for you that way if you provide it to the member of the Town Staff then they will make a record of it and they will make sure.. that we get it. Mr. Smith — Excellent. Again, if there is anything that we can do as a Homeowners' Association, let us ... I understand it is a regional issue but I respectfully object to our looking at this as a regional issue. It is a local issue. Right now it is a Route 89 issue and I can assure you that the 250 homes within the potential of out membership are going to aggressively work to get them off of Route 89. This is a danger to our community and our children and our area. So we are going to make it a local issue. I think you should also make it a local issue with Ithaca. Because this is absolutely counter to everything you are working for. This is 500 - trucks a day and I know hat you see them, right? Is there anybody here who hasn't seen these huge trucks ... These streets were not designed for this and now you're going to build sidewalks? Now we are going to take that one lane on highway 86 going to the hospital, you know that they are going to cross that road, don't you, now all of a sudden we are going to eliminate that lane for bicycles and your going to put 22 -wheel vehicles across that little road. So we have to make it local. Chairperson Wilcox — Tracy. Board Member Mitrano — I would like to make a recommendation that this issue be included in the Study and also to any degree that the Town Planner could maybe be working with law enforcement to research what the weight limitations are on any of the local roads and ask that the appropriate authorities be alerted to this issue such that they can begin to monitor and enforce any of the violations of those ordinances. Mr. Kanter - Can I address that. I do know that the City of Ithaca is involved in this very heavily and they are going to ... do have an enforcement police force, the Town of Ithaca does not. We have the Sheriff's office and they are involved in that to some degree but the City of Ithaca has actually been quite involved in that. This isn't something new, this.... Board Member Mitrano - ...96 and 89 and 79 and all of the in and out State Roads and watch the 22- wheelers go by. Board Member Hoffmann — I would like to thank you and the previous speaker for bringing this up. I had heard of this truck traffic before but I hadn't thought of including it in this Transportation Plan and I think that is a very good idea and I agree with you, that it is a local problem as well as a regional problem. Mr. Mennen — What are we going to do, go through Albany ... What are we going to do ... try and get this thing solved through Albany? I am being facetious.:. nothing happens in Albany. We have to keep this in local. One of the ways in which, in my im PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 research on this thing, one of the ways in which local areas solved the problem, is through police enforcement and it makes perfect, total sense. First of all they are well funding their efforts through fines, so this doesn't cost them money. Again, they are bringing in money ... again I have articles if you'd like. But, what they are doing is they are literally stopping them as they exit ... you get these small communities, we can do it here in Ithaca with a road stop, we just start inspecting. Boy that will stop it quickly. Chairperson Wilcox Two points. One, I remember, 12- months ago, 18- months ago, there was some articles in the paper about the City's enforcement, pulling trucks over down near Cass Park, I believe is where they were doing it ... Second of all, just so we are absolutely clear ... that that was the City that was doing that because the trucks were in the City at that point and the City of Ithaca police had the jurisdiction at that point. As Jon Kanter pointed out, the Town of Ithaca has to rely upon the Sheriff for enforcement and it's different than having your own City staff or Village so I would encourage you to also go to the City. Mr. Mennen — Again, we are here to help you. We see it as a local problem and we are here to help out where we possibly can in relation to our resources and our connections. Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you. Cande Carol, 925 Mitchell Street I will be very quick and I am not nearly as articulate as the two gentlemen that already spoke. One of the things that I notice... regarding trucks ... I have two little issues... Trucks ... big issue, heavy, heavy issue ... Often driving through Cass Park, I notice that it has become a virtual rest stop for these trucks. There are bathrooms, some vending machines in the summer, shower rooms over at the Marina and many, many trucks are gathered there, many times when I am going through. And yet the City is paying for that.and the Town of course, right next door, as soon as you go up the hill it becomes the Town. I have never seen a truck stopped for speeding. You see many cars stopped for speeding all the time in the Town of Ithaca on Route 89, never once have I ever seen a truck. That's not to say that trucks are not stopped but one of the areas of influence that the Town definitely does have in this regard is to enforce the 45mph speed limit that already exists. It doesn't have to be necessarily less; it simply needs to be enforced. I often drive through the Town of Dryden and when you come in to Dryden, I and everyone else who I know, understands that there is a 30mph speed limit there that is enforced. We could have signs in the Town of Ithaca on Route 89 that say 45mph speed limit, which it already is, strictly enforced and our deputies could be asked to enforce that. That is all it takes, are .fines for people who are speeding, whether it is in a car or it is in a truck, it doesn't matter. When those speed limits are enforced, people do slow down and drive at the speed limit and that will enhance the safety that is not there right now. 19 The other thing has here but there are issues walking trails. What hap extremely against a Town trails and biking trails and about that. That's it. to do with eminent where the City is. pens in the City is taking over residen so in advance of it PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 domain, which I'm not sure it is relative concerned in terms of bike paths and likely to happen in the Town. I am :'s property for the purposes of walking happening I just want to go on record Chairperson Wilcox — I am not going to let you leave. "What happens in the City is likely to happen in the Town" does anybody want to comment on that statement other than me? I appreciate your concern and certainly it comes on the heels of an insert in the Ithaca Journal yesterday, which I am sure most of us read. I am not going to comment on what the City of Ithaca is doing; it's not my place. It's not my place sitting here on this Board, but just because the City does it doesn't mean the Town is going to do it or vice - versa. Ms. Carol -- I'll retract that and re- state. I fear that...I stand corrected. Mr. Kanter — It really does ... Chairperson Wilcox — It really does. Look at the Villages... they all have their own village police staffs and we all know, you don't speed in those villages. Board Member Mitrano — What is well worth articulating is that if the reason that they are coming through our area is that it is cheaper, once it becomes more expensive, they will stop. Board Member Talty - It is also a direct path. Board Member Mitrano — But if it is a virtual toll to go through here, either because they have to go so slowly or they can't go because they are violating either speed or weight limits, they won't go through this area anymore. Joel Harlan, Newfield I lived in Dryden for quite awhile. These people are talking about... it's about time you stopped talking about major thoroughfares and infrastructure on roadways, but it is going to remain a big problem because everything is growing. We got a lot of big buildings going on in this area, including Cornell and Ithaca College so it's not just up Taughannock Boulevard; it's all over the area. Your going to have to discuss about that about anywhere I the Town of Ithaca because there's major thoroughfares coming everywhere in this Town. It's like a wok bowl, the lake is the handle and everything else is like the bowl. These guys are talking about these major garbage trucks going up that road ... I've watched and studied these trucks, they don't just carry garbage, they carry Cargill Salt Mine and the powerhouse, Milliken Station and they are also carrying salt. So this side is also pretty busy with them too. Lansing and they sometimes have 20 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 to come down through here to go to Pennsylvania. Or they go done the Freeville way ... so we got them scattered all over the place, not just one area. You gotta look at the whole picture and not just Taughannock Boulevard. Thirteen is the busiest, hectic highway... traffic jams all over the City when it comes to 5:00 when they're all the Cornell and Ithaca College and Borg Warner let out. Plus the train comes through at 5:00 so we got a massive traffic jam at 5:00. So, hats off to you for trying to solve the problem. But, it's not just the Town of Ithaca ... it's the City and Lansing where it's generating most of these big vehicles and even Forest Home, I been around here and you know they are trying to get the traffic off their roads and they can't do it. Where that one lane bridge is, is not cutting it, there is still a lot of traffic up there and that's a small town and Cornell surrounds that town. So I am going to sit back and let you decide what you want to do with the sidewalks and all that. I see they are starting to put sidewalks down on the Elmira Road. Down through the Southwest corridor with all the business coming in. It sure beats walking through the mud and getting sloshed up with all the slush from the vehicles... especially when it's snowing. I got one other question for you ... When's the next meeting for the Sapsucker Woods issue? I (inaudible) onto that. I need to now when the next meeting is. It's the new cause... Chairperson Wilcox — We don't know when they are going to come back. Mr. Harlan — You don't put it in the paper until it's too late. Chairperson Wilcox — All I can tell you is that they have a significant amount of work left to do before they can come back to this Board in an attempt to get final approval for the subdivision. Mr. Harlan — I want to get involved in that. I just wanted to let you know that those trucks are all over the place. So what are you going to do about it? This town's too small to handle the traffic and it's just going to get worse. Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you. Board Member Talty — I have to agree with Joel. What I do for a living is travel and I travel 90 and I have to agree with Cargill salt trucks, I've seen the garbage trucks but no where near like the Cargill trucks ... I don't know what the ratio is but... Mr. Kanter — It's a little harder to keep the locals out. We need that type of traffic. It's just a matter of enforcement I think. Chairperson Wilcox — it is interesting when we have a particularly difficult winter in terms of snowfall and the towns and the municipalities around us start running out of salt, they start sending their trucks out to Cargill to actually pick up salt and I've seen 21 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 them coming off' Route 13 North, getting off near Stewart Park and heading out 34B...just a procession of them ... I haven't seen much coal but...That could be an owner's problem for 34 and 34B ... absolutely. Board Member Talty — The new legislation that's out with regards to freight requirements is that there are a lot of freight types folk that now have to travel with two people because of the time restrictions so, not only do they have to go from A to B in the shortest amount of time, but that's why they are speeding, to get to where they need to go, because they only have X amount of time to get there, unload and come back and unload, and if they don't make it in that time requirement, they actually have to have another driver. So I know that that was transpiring with regards to freight. Michael Ben, 127 Warren Road, Forest Home Improvement Association I have a brief statement to read. "The Forest Home Improvement Association strongly endorses the Town of Ithaca's Transportation emphasis on preserving and enhancing the livability of neighborhoods and encouraging biking, walking and public transportation. We also very much appreciate that the Plan addresses our community's need for traffic calming and pedestrian improvements. The Forest Home Traffic Calming Plan will be done by this spring, and look forward to being included in future discussion with the Town regarding these matters." Chairperson Wilcox — can we quote you on the Traffic Calming Plan will be done by this spring? Congratulations on $850,000 for the upstream bridge. Bruce Brittain, 135 Warren Road I'd like to second what Michael said about our appreciation that the Plan acknowledges and seeks to address the problems in Forest Home but then I also wanted to speak just for myself, I have only read the main text, I have not looked at the Appendices, the Design Guidelines or the Executive Summary, but overall this is a much better draft that the draft I had seen previously this summer. There's still some typos and inconsistencies and in the best of all possible worlds I would have had a marked up copy this evening and I don't but I will as soon as I can. I will try and be more concise and coherent than my quote in the Journal this morning. My main complaint is that the Plan doesn't go far enough. It seems...it seems that there was sort of a predetermined solution which was increase transit, increase pedestrian and increased bicycle ways which is nice BUT, there are conclusions that don't always follow from the data. For example, the Town Survey found that only 16% of people would use transit if it was available and yet still transit still seems to be the main solution. The ... there's the regional development and transportations system section which also, it doesn't seem its conclusion is based on the data. It compares trend based versus a planned base development scenario on projected traffic levels in 22 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 30 years.. If you look at what those projected levels are, there's only a 2% difference between plan -based and trend -based so if you are looking at a 30 -year time line, that's only a 7 month difference, we'll get there in 30 years in 7 months instead of in 30 years, that's not a significant difference and yet the conclusion is that we need to do the trend ... we need to do a planned based development rather than just allowing trend based to continue. I was also disappointed with the natural Environment and Transportation section. I think that's probably the weakest part of the Plan. It makes some really good arguments. It identifies existing problems, for instance, with water, it mentions that current zoning allows 70% of any parcel to be impervious... it mentions that roads and parking contribute 50% of the runoff in a typical residential area, 80% in a typical commercial ...talks about noise, transportation noise obstructs sleep which impedes learning. Light pollution is a problem. Heat pollution from dark pavement ... All these good arguments and then you get to the Conclusions section of that and it says 'therefore, we need increased transit, increased pedestrian and increased bicycle" which is the same conclusion and I think a better conclusion would be directly address those problems and say we need to change zoning to reduce the amount of impervious area allowed in the Town. We need to reduce pavement widths for the same reason. We need to explore the use of porous material and light colored pavement for roads, for parking lots for walkways for bike lanes. Need to strengthen the Town light ordinance, the Towns noise ordinance, require trees in parking lots, require street trees along roads. So, and to be fair, some of that does get into the Recommendation section, but I think that section, the Natural Environment section, ends up looking too lenient. So some of it does get into the Recommendations..: Ms. Tedesco — It is interesting just the way the Plan was structured and unfortunately the issues didn't always fit in to the structure but to make it usable, you kind of got to go with it. You're right, what I tried to do was to keep the Identification of Needs section which is the section you are referring to, as this is what we need and then how will we fulfill that need and putting that into Recommendations. So I wonder if there is a middle way. Mr. Brittain — Right. Just in reading it, it looks like it is copping out rather than saying, okay here are the problems and here is what we need to do. Ms. Tedesco — One of the problems if we were to start including that level of detail, then some of those recommendations would almost be foregone conclusions because there is more than one way that you can address water quality issues, for example, and so to list all of them in that section and then choose one right, you wouldn't be able to really examine the benefits ... Am I going ahead of myself here? Mr. Brittain — Well, I'll take another look at it, but I do think that there could be more put into that section without cheating the Recommendations section. I know that you want the Recommendation section to be its own powerful use section. and not just restating but I think you could do more with the Environment section. 23 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Ms. Tedesco — Okay. I will look at that section.... Mr. Brittain — I will try and get comments to you also. My biggest concern is, with Attachment D, which is dealing with the Comprehensive Plan, I was on the Town of Ithaca Comprehensive Planning Committee, 15 years ago I was on the Transportation Sub - Committee that actually drafted the need for a Town Transportation Plan and outlined what it should include and this current draft, while it's a straight... great stride forward... still falls short of what we had envisioned 15 years ago for what a Transportation Plan would be. So I feel a responsibility to see that that vision is not lost. For example, the Comprehensive Plan recommendation 2B called for developing our own Town of Ithaca, roadway classification system. The Attachment D in the current Transportation plan says that this has been addressed in the Motor Vehicle and Roadway section. I couldn't find a motor Vehicle and Roadways section. Ms. Tedesco — Do you have that section with you? Mr. Brittain — No. I have it at home. Ms. Tedesco — Okay. Actually when I read that recommendation of the Comp Plan, I read it as that the Town should adopt a functional classification system and I think in ... at some point during our discussions it came up that when the Comp Plan was being written was when the ITCTC was preparing to do the first functional classification assessment for the area so I had actually interpreted that recommendation as being a recommendation to adopt a functional classification system as in the Federal Functional Classification System. Mr. Brittain — My recollection is there already was one and we thought it was inappropriate for the Town and the .Town's that we. had looked at the various classifications and decided that we didn't like them and wanted ones that were based on adjoining land use rather than traffic levels which is the way they were being signed at the time. Mr. Kanter -- If you want to ... Chairperson Wilcox — You two are having a personal discussion and we are just listening ... I let it go because Bruce has made many contributions to Town of Ithaca Plans and clearly there is a history between the two of you in terms to his input and I am more than happy to let this continue... Mr. Kanter — In terms of the classification system, the Transportation Council, the NPO, was really just organized right around the time the Plan was adopted and the classification ... the criteria for that classification system, the federal classification system, I think has evolved over the years and they do look more at things like adjacent land 24 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 use besides volumes and other issues so I think the committee discussed this and came to the conclusion that it really didn't make sense to have an entirely new classification . system when probably the better thing to do is to use the federal classification system and have roads reclassified if they are not in the right class. So that's basically why. Mr. Brittain — Then I would like to see that in writing ... I think it is fine to go back ... here it is 15 years later, the landscape has changed, and if that is no longer a Town priority, to come out and say that we no longer feel a need to develop our own system rather than saying that we did it. That we have done it. I want to hit some other points here. Comprehensive Plan Recommendation 2E called for buffers along arterial and collector roads to separate land uses from roads. Attachment D says that this was addressed in Recommendation 7, I couldn't find anything in Recommendation 7. So I think that still needs to be addressed. Comprehensive Plan Recommendation 4D said to avoid environmentally sensitive areas... Attachment D says that's addressed in the Design Guidelines, again, I couldn't find it in there. Comprehensive Plan Recommendation 5A said limit the scale and concentration of development to what can be supported by the transportation system. Attachment D says that's in Recommendation 7, again I couldn't find that. Recommendation 7 dealing with mixed use zoning and cluster development and adding commercial... neighborhood commercial to residential zoning. Maybe it's beyond the scope of this Plan. That's a zoning issue and it may be that the Town ... That is a pretty bold statement limit the scale and concentration of development to what can be supported by the transportation system. It may be that the Town doesn't want to do that and that's fine, but I think that should be said up front, that we have changed our direction or that this is no longer necessary or appropriate. I was concerned to see that the statement that it was in there. One other... Comprehensive Plan Recommendation 6A said consider designating scenic roads, Attachment D says that that's in Attachment E but Attachment E deals with pedestrian and bicycle safety education. The only thing I found on scenic designation was Recommendation 2C46 which said it should be done. So that's fine. I think if you haven't done it but you still think it is an important thing to do, I think go ahead and say that. No we haven't done it but it's still important and we still have it on our agenda. I think that's fine, but I don't want to have something that says; Oh we did that and we fulfilled the goals and objectives of the Transportation Plan. So, I guess I think this is a good document. It's a lot better than earlier drafts that I have seen but I still think that there is significant work that needs to be done to clean it up and especially in the in section of what were we setting out to do, what have 25 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 we done, what still needs to be done and is important and what have we decided is not worth doing. And I will try and get specific comments to you. Chairperson Wilcox — Should we recommend what's already be drafted to the Town Board? Mr. Brittain — I don't understand the process sufficiently to be able to answer that question. I think you have a good document.which needs work. I don't know that if you recommend it ... does that mean that you stop? I would think that you could still correct typos but.where does it become enough of a policy change that you would not... Chairperson Wilcox —,We have a draft Resolution in front of us and under the Resolved it says that "the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby recommends the Town of Ithaca Town Board adopts the Draft Transportation subject to the following: Comments from the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, Town of Ithaca Town Board, Town of Ithaca Conservation Board, other stakeholders such as adjoining municipalities and the general public submitted during the Public Hearing process are considered: and incorporated into the Plan as appropriate. It is pretty open ended...it says take what we've got, incorporate... staff incorporates those comments... those impacts they think are relevant .and that's what goes to the Town Board for eventual review. If you're comfortable with that. Board Member Talty — I think that has to be a discussion for us. Chairperson Wilcox — Absolutely. I . wanted Bruce's opinion. We will have our discussion, I wanted Bruce's opinion. Thank you. Anybody else? Oh, I'm sorry. Kris, hold on. Eva, go ahead. Board Member Hoffmann — I actually spoke to Nicole earlier today about this specific paragraph because I was hoping that she would be able to give us a little bit of a feeling for how much time we all have to supply those comments before a decision has to be made. So did you find out anything like that, Nicole? Ms. Tedesco — I found out that I don't know anything. No, in all honesty, I think a lot of it will depend on what the Board does tonight. Procedurally speaking, the public comment period will not close with whatever your decision is tonight. So if you are reading through the document and other issues come up, you think of other things, you are still welcome to submit comments to staff. That door doesn't close when you guys make a recommendation to the Town Board. Chairperson Wilcox — And for the public as well. 26 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Ms. Tedesco — Yes, for everyone and anyone. The Town Board will hold at least one more public hearing. So there will also be that opportunity to make comments in person. Chairperson Wilcox — Do we have a tentative month when the Town Board may hold their public hearing? Mr. Kanter — Probably in January. Of course that is up to the Town Board and depends on what this Board's recommendation is. Chairperson Wilcox — Answer your question? Board Member Hoffmann — Yes. Thank you. Chairperson Wilcox — Kris? Kris Hodges, 16 Saunders Road Kris Hodges, 16 Saunders Road. I appreciate your efforts on this plan. It is one of the many things that I appreciate about the Town employees and volunteers and citizens. I think when you look at it; it makes a lot of sense. Someone had alluded to a little earlier that it is probably something a little broader than transportation, since we are talking about pedestrian usage and bicycle usage as well. But I wanted to say, too, that I think part of this is what makes the Town of Ithaca attractive place to people because when people come in or moving within the area you look at the things that affect quality of life and a lot of this does affect quality of life. You can hear people talking about what it's like living on 89 so if we can address those things it makes the Town more attractive to people, which brings up property values, which brings in more revenue for.the Town. So everybody is happy. Chairperson Wilcox — And more taxes, too. Ms. Hodges — Yes, of course. But I wanted to bring up the area where I happen to live, which is South Hill and a.couple of things regarding that. You have been dealing with the soon to be or College Crossings Shopping Center at the corner of 96B and King Road and South Hill has been an area that has been growing. Just within a mile of that area there, there are nearly 6,000 people who live there now and that has been up almost 20% in the last 6 years, in terms of population growth. I think one of the things is, is looking at that area with that becoming a destination for people is thinking about pedestrian traffic on a busy road, which is East King Road. In fact looking at the maps that you had online, looks like the traffic count on East King is around 2,500 cars. I mean that is over 100 an hour on average. You can kind of see that during the peak times it does get very, very busy there. With that being such a busy road, it is used a lot right now by Ithaca College students and athletes who will run, they'll kind of run a loop out of the college and head south and loop around. Residents use it to some 27 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 extent for walking and biking, but right now the shoulders are not very good, especially for biking. If you do that, there is a lot of traffic and there is nowhere to go safely on a bicycle if you happen to get squeezed a bit. And with the shopping center coming in there it starts to become the destination for residents and children wanting to ride bikes there or walk there. And right now it is a situation I would not let a child, you know, under teenage years do that by themselves. It is just much too dangerous, this situation right now. So I know that up in the Hanshaw area they have been working, there are sidewalks that are due up there and they have been working in conjunction with the County and it sounds like you have a good relationship there and that there have been some federal funds that have come in to fund that. It starts the thinking about funding for some of these things and I know that there are things such as lighting districts. Maybe you establish sidewalk districts. But maybe something like that could be even broader in the sense that typically sidewalks in many communities the value of them or cost of them is assessed directly on whose property has a sidewalk on, but there is a lot of people who might use it who would benefit from it, especially along something like King Road, you don't have a lot of residences on King Road. There is a lot of frontage there and to think of doing an assessment of just those people would not really be fair, but maybe it is kind of a progressive type of thing. You could branch out and people a little further away might be assessed a little less than those who are directly on it, but it is just a funding idea to think about when it ... when you need to take a look at those issues. And also something I think would be beneficial, might be. a little out of your purview is getting bus service up there. Right now the bus stops at Longview up on 96B. It would certainly be easy to come up, hit King and go down Troy and loop back into Ithaca College that way and give a lot of access to public transportation to people up there who right now just, you know, have to go a little bit further. It makes it a little less easy for them. So those are my thoughts. Chairperson Wilcox — Thanks, Kris. Questions? Board Member Mitrano Was it the shopping mall in which we talked about... (not audible) ... about having a sidewalk going up King Road? I'm trying to recollect which project that was. Board Member Hoffmann — Yes. We talked about sidewalks for both the new hotel, for this business where Ziebart's used to be, also for that property on the opposite corner of the hotel. Diagonally opposite. Board Member Mitrano — The Monkemeyer. Board Member Hoffmann — Right. We talked about a sidewalk along there, especially since it is so close to the Montessori School. weeJ PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Mitrano — But I think it was in that last one where we talked about a sidewalk going up all the way King Road. Ms. Hodge — Right, yeah, I think it's... Board Member Mitrano — I think the last one in which we talked about a sidewalk going all the way up King Road, I think would be very appropriate. Ms. Hodge — Yeah, something like that. Chairperson Wilcox — Is that a County road? Ms. Hodge — Yes, it is. Mr. Kanter — I was just asking if that was shown on our priority plan for walkways. Ms. Hodge — I have spoken with the County person about it and they are more than happy to work with you folks. Chairperson Wilcox — Will, did you hear that? Mr. Walker —.The definition of more than happy means that, they'll allow the Town to build a sidewalk on their road. Ms. Hodge - Although if you are going to do bicycle usage, to, you have to think about whether you have bikes on the road or bikes on the sidewalk usage type of thing, too. But clearly those shoulders are... (not audible) ... for pedestrians and bikers. Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you, Kris. Before I ask if anybody else wishes to speak, Mark, I see you are sitting out there. I suspect that you might have some other people from Ithacare /Longview with you. I apologize to those people. We will get to you as soon as we can. I know the hour is starting to get late and we'll do our best. Anybody else this evening with regard to ... sir? Yes. Joe Crookston, 185 Westhaven Road Hi. My name is Joe Crookston. I live at 185 Westhaven and I am relative new to Ithaca and I am relatively new to this kind of process, but I just really wanted to come and ... I read some of the plan and my understanding a little ... I think Bruce was his name about there were these issues, but then the recommendation was more towards pedestrian and bike paths and I also have the same kind of reaction in a general way to the plan that it was focused... Living at Westhaven, on Westhaven, right on 79 where you go up the hill, up the hill out of Ithaca, there is actually a stretch of about .2 miles, you know 2/10 of a mile that is still within Ithaca City, but the speed limit is 55 miles an hour and it's a dotted yellow line suggesting passing. So I live right there where the 29 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 speed limit is 55 in the City and it is a passing zone up this hill. So it ends up being about 65 miles an hour. Cars are passing pretty much all day long. So I'm just simply, I wanted to come here and just say that that to. me is such a priority. If there was going to be a bike trail or a pedestrian walking along that road, to me, before that could ever happen that speed limit would need to be reduced. Board Member Mitrano — Could you be a little more precise about that 2/10 of a mile stretch where that is? Mr. Crookston — Yeah, so going up 79 it curves... Board Member Mitrano = Is it before or after you hit Pine Tree? Chairperson Wilcox — No. West. Board Member Mitrano — Oh, west. Mr. Crookston — Like Linderman Creek area: Board Member Mitrano — I know where you mean now. Chairperson Wilcox — Now she's all set. Mr. Crookston — So I would say it is about a tenth of a mile or so before Linderman Creek. Board Member Mitrano — I know exactly where you mean now. Mr. Crookston — Up to, you know, just below Westhaven. Mr. Walker — Actually, just a correction. The City line is actually at the bottom of the hill where the curve is. You know that little parking area right at the bottom of the hill? That is where the City line is. Mr. Crookston — Not where the sign is? Board Member Thayer — Right. Mr. Crookston — Okay. Mr. Walker - There may be a sign saying the City of Ithaca, but that is not within the City limits. Mr. Crookston — A welcome sign. 30 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — Lets make sure. So that is where the City limit is. So as you are going up that straight stretch of hill, you are in the Town of Ithaca. Mr. Walker — It is all in the Town. Chairperson Wilcox — Absolutely. Mr. Walker — All of Linderman Creek is in the Town. Mr. Kanter — I believe the speed limit, though, was reduced there to 459 Board Member Mitrano — Its 45 there. I think I do know... (not audible) (not audible... several people talking at once) Chairperson Wilcox — They did reduce it for a short distance, but" your point is well made though. Mr. Crookston — My point is, just a real ... and I looked at the map on the website of the plan just to see where in Ithaca City where there is still 55 mph speed limits. Mr. Walker — They don't have 55 mph in the City. It is all 30 in the City. Chairperson Wilcox — The only exception is part of Route 13. Part of Route 13 in the City is the only exception. Mr. Walker — By the high school. Chairperson Wilcox — High school, Aldi's, back in that area where it is 45 and 55. That is the only exception by the way. Mr. Crookston — I don't think I have a lot other than ... is. really a question. I understand then that is in the Town, the speed limit, and to change that that is more of a State issue? Mr. Walker — We have to get permission from the State. Mr. Crookston — Right. Okay. So then my question is, and I don't want to take any more time here for that, but where... who... where would I go or who ... could . the Transportation Plan make a recommendation to the State. Could that be part of the Transportation Plan? 31 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — It could. I think that if you wanted to pursue that we might just want to do it independently. I believe it has to be the Town Board of the Town of. Ithaca that goes to the State and requests a change in the speed limit. I don't think . this board 1) should do that because I think it is policy related so we have a..I'll get to you, Fred, in a second. Mr. Noteboom — It's just to answer the question. Chairperson Wilcox — Okay. Good. Go ahead. Mr. Noteboom = The Town Board passes a resolution, which actually has to go to the County Highway Superintendent and they give their recommendation or don't and then it goes to the State. The State does a strict engineering study and they either approve or disapprove based on the engineering study. Mr. Walker — And based on the land use on that section of Route 79, they will not change the speed limit any lower than it is because there's only about a half a dozen driveways and it probably will not meet their warrant for a reduced speed limit there. Enforcement is the other issue because actually, driving on that road since I live out there, that is the fastest uphill drag strip I have ever seen. People just have a need for some reason to go from 30 mph to 65 before they hit Westhaven and the only thing we can do is recommend better enforcement from the Sheriff and maybe the State Police. Board Member Mitrano — I am impressed, though, by the number of people who have come out under the basis of this transportation study to talk about various aspects of speed and so I think Fred's idea of independent action depending upon how ambitious and civic minded you are, you may want, to start something where people from around the County begin to talk about the various areas of concern and then follow whatever processes like Fred Noteboom mentioned. Mr. Crookston — Dan, could I ask you one other question about the ... so you just suggested that the speed limit changing it because of the driveways that makes sense, the number of driveways, but what about a passing zone. Is that a different... my sense is if it were two double yellow lines up there it would cut the speed limit by 20 mph typically. Mr. Noteboom - A passing zone is actually based on sight distance. Mr. Walker — They have passing zones marked based on that sight distance. I doubt if they might change that either, but again the speed limit is lower. It is 45 for the first section there, but people do not observe it and the only way to do that is enforcement and we can bring that up to the Sheriff and ask them or the State Police maybe to do more enforcement. 32 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — I need to do two things. Before you go, I need a spelling of your last name. Mr. Crookston — C- r- o- o- k- s-t-o -n. Chairperson Wilcox — And Fred Noteboom, would you let the audience know, your position with the Town, please? Mr. Noteboom — I am the Highway Superintendent for the Town of Ithaca. Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you. Anybody else? Okay. I am going to leave the public hearing open just for a little bit in case someone thinks of something that they hadn't said before and would like the opportunity to step up. What is this board's pleasure at this point? Board Member Mitrano — Move it. Chairperson Wilcox — Discussion? Board Member Mitrano — Well, no, I mean its open in such a way that I don't see why we wouldn't move it. There is still opportunity for continued input. I think this has been very helpful... Mr. Kanter — I think we are looking at this quite differently than you would normally look at a local law that comes to this board for a recommendation, which is basically that is the law that you are recommending. This is the plan. We're hoping the Town Board will adopt it at some point, but on the other hand, it is also going to be an evolving document. I mean even once it is adopted it will probably change periodically, probably, you know, every couple of years. So it is not like it is going to end up as a certain document and then that's it, so, but yeah, I think, I think certainly sending a recommendation similar to the way it is worded in the draft resolution, you know, basically signaling to the Town Board this looks pretty good. You know. Board Member Mitrano — And I want to comment on how open and favorable you are, Nicole, to recommendations and suggestions. Its, you know, really lovely. So, thank you. Ms. Tedesco — And I mean the more input, the greater number of suggestions we get, the more comments we get, the better the plan is. I think that is what the Transportation Committee is really focused on and hence, I mean as new traffic data comes in, the plan is going to be updated. So it's really not ... the more information we get the better. Board Member Mitrano — Yeah. It's a nice approach. 33 F PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Howe — Jonathan's comment helped clarify for me, so I'm also comfortable moving it forward. I didn't want to put any extra burden on anyone else, but you have clarified it very well. . Chairperson Wilcox — Is there anything in particular that struck you as we listened to the public? Safety was a concern of many people, either directly or indirectly. No one mentioned Coddington Road specifically, but I'll mention Coddington Road in addition to some of the other roads that were mentioned where there are safety concerns either because there is not room for pedestrians to walk safety. King Road was mentioned. 89 where bicycles have a problem given the parking situation, the speed limits. Coddington Road, which I am familiar with when I used to live up there, given the lack of shoulders. Common thing. Board Member Conneman — Bill Lesser raised the question about funding of TCAT. I don't whether Will wants to comment on that or not. Chairperson Wilcox — [laughing] He's in the hallway all of a sudden. Board Member Conneman — It seems to me that that is an issue because it could have ... and also another thing, a park and ride. When you see a park and ride work as you come into Ithaca as you come from Elmira. There are some places that really work. They really make a difference. Board Member Thayer — I agree. TCAT could play a big part in that. Board Member Conneman — You'll also remember when we had some ... when we are doing a lot of construction downtown there are a lot of people who illegally use the hospital parking lots as a way ... that's another place where somehow if there were some way to have a park and ride there it would probably work. I think anyway. Mr. Walker — Well, the hospital is limited right now and it may be because of their construction. They are actually patrolling and putting ... their employees have to have stickers and park in certain locations and they are posting parking limitation pretty strictly. Board Member Conneman — I understand that. It's just that that is one of the places where you could prevent or encourage people not to go downtown and not to go to the City of Ithaca. Ms. Tedesco — It would be one of the ... I know that the ITCTC has been working with TCAT and they did a park and ride study. So that issue is being looked at, at a regional level. It is important that it is looked at, at a regional level. I think the best park and ride lot sitings are farther out because if people are going to drive 10 miles to Ithaca, if 34 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 they are going to drive the first 9 and then hop on a bus for the last mile, they're just not going to do it. Whereas if they only have a half mile drive to the lot, they are more likely to take the bus and that also keeps the traffic out of the Town, period. Board Member Thayer — A good example of that is the park and ride out on Route 34B, by the fire station. It's the park and ride for Tioga County and its way out. Chairperson Wilcox — There is a park and ride lot in Tully, right? Have you seen the signs on 81? There is a park and ride lot in Tully. Right? Board Member Thayer — Yeah. Chairperson Wilcox — Is that for north traffic to Syracuse? Yeah. Ms. Tedesco — Yeah. Chairperson Wilcox — There's a good distance away from Syracuse. Mr. Kanter — That is like 15 or 20 miles. Ms. Tedesco — At least. Board Member Talty — I have a question. For the park and rides that work, are they State owned,. County owned, Town owned? Who actually owns the property and maintains it? Mr. Kanter — Or sometimes they are privately owned. Typically the funding or maintenance issues are kind of a combination. Usually TCAT gets involved directly in them in some way because they are going to be serving the people who park there. They are often times in say a church or a shopping center that has extra spaces and done by license or other agreement with the private entity. In other parts of the State, there are a lot that are basically. .'have been done by the State DOT, but I don't know that there are too many of those around here. Mr. Walker — No, usually the State puts them in where there is a lot of feeding off of an interstate coming into ... it takes the load off of State roads so they can justify the park and ride lots. But that is usually in the bigger urban areas. I know in Rochester right off of 490...390...490 I guess it is, on the east side of Bush Hill Basin there is a large park and ride lot there. People commute in from Canandaigua and all that. They come in the thru -way and then they stop right off the thru -way there and there is probably a 400 car lot there. Board Member Talty — Right. So that lot, the one you are talking about, is that ... do you believe a County owned lot? 35 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Mr. Walker — I'm not sure if it is State or County, but it's not just the Town, I know that. It's not apparent who owns it. Board Member Talty — What I am trying to determine here is ... like...it's a wonderful idea, but where do you take it from there. So do you look at private parcels? Do you work with the State? Do you work with the County? Because I think that is what really needs to be determined is that logistically where does it matter. I agree with Nicole. If you are going to drive all that way, you are not going to stop your car one mile out or two miles out. I think Tully is an exception at 15 or 20 minutes out, but I think that that needs to be determined on logistically where are the lots ... almost kind of like a cell tower. Like they look to see where the lines of sights are. Are there silos there or is it a private lot where they can build a tower, that type of mentality. Ms. Tedesco — No, it's interesting. You would probably be interested in the park and ride study that is still happening. Correct? Mr. Kanter —Yeah, Ms. Tedesco — Yeah. I mean those are the exact things they are looking at for siting. Mr. Kanter — And again, they'll probably be coming up with some specific actual park and ride recommendations, specific locations and then . helping to act as the coordinating agency to get, as we have been saying, whoever is going to be involved in setting it up, TCAT, possibly the County, whatever the Town is. There is actually one that was recommended just outside of the Town of Ithaca on 79 at the church. Chairperson Wilcox — East or west? 79 east or west? Mr. Kanter — Well, going east out of the City. It's about a mile and a half or 2 miles. Its probably about as close in as you would want to get to make it effective, but there is an awful lot of traffic that comes in commuting on 79 that if it could be cutoff there and maybe even, say, 30 parking spaces were made available there at off -peak times when the church isn't using them. Board Member Mitrano — Even further up would be ... in Brooktondale. Up that way. Chairperson Wilcox — At the Crispbell facility, as an area, where you could catch the Dryden, Brooktondale... Board Member Conneman — Nicole..: (not audible) ... page 11 of the executive summary, it seems to me maybe something more could be said about park and ride. That's my point. 36 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Ms. Tedesco — In the executive summary? Oh, in the transit section? Board Member Conneman — Yeah, because it says unfortunately none are located in the Town. It doesn't sort of drop it there but... Ms. Tedesco — Okay. Mr. Walker — The other sponsors of park and rides very often ... well, the bus system would sponsor it because they would be generating the revenue to pay for the costs, but the large employers like, Cornell, should be sponsoring something like this, too. Chairperson Wilcox — Ithaca College. School District. Borg Warner. There are a lot of large employers. Any other comments, questions? Board Member Thayer — We haven't talked too much about the one person in the car bit, you know. And that could tie in with the park and ride, too, without using a bus type thing. Ms. Tedesco — Well, actually, I just went to a very exciting talk yesterday about vanpooling. I will give you the really quick story. Vanpooling is not just like carpooling where you all hop into somebody's car: There are actually companies, like a turnkey operation where the company will provide the vehicle, the insurance, they'll take care of the gas, etc. and they help private companies or public entities to set up vanpools. And there will be one coordinator. The coordinator will take care of the drivers and collecting the money and stuff. So its one step below the idea of a park and ride, which is completely organized by the transit agency and one step up from a carpool, which is sort of an ad hoc type thing. So there is TCAT and Cornell are looking to get something started, which could very easily be expanded to include other employers, Ithaca College. It could even become like a public rideshare type of thing. So those are some of the exciting things in the works in the Ithaca area. Board Member Talty — So its kind of one step up from a taxi, but one step below a limo. [laughing] Board Member Talty — That's what it sounds like to me. Am I missing something? Ms. Tedesco — Instead of using your own vehicle, you just share the use of a vehicle that is owned and maintained and taken care of by and I mean the vans that they use are like 9 to 15 passenger vans. Chairperson Wilcox — Airport limousine. Eva? 37 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Hoffmann — Nicole, I can't remember now,. is there any mention of the kind of lot which I think are called kiss and rides sometimes. Chairperson Wilcox — Tell me more. Board Member Hoffmann — One car and one spouse drives the other to where there is a bus stop and there are a few places where you can stop until the bus comes and then the other spouse goes off in the bus. Ms. Tedesco — That is not mentioned in the Town's plan, but when Cornell did their origin and destination study, I think one of the questions they asked is what type of facilities would you like to see at a park and ride location. Would like to see dry cleaners or a bank or whatever. Again, that is one of the things that's being looked at but hasn't been mentioned in this plan. Do you think it is something that is important, sort of an idea to throw out there? Board Member Hoffmann — Well, it would allow people to ... they wouldn't need to have two cars, maybe, in a household where they would normally drive two cars to two: different jobs. If one of them could go by bus and the other one could drive the person to the bus stop and have a place to pull off the road and wait... Board Member Mitrano - ...and kiss. Board Member Hoffmann - ...until the bus comes. Exactly. That's right. Haven't you seen those signs? Chairperson Wilcox — No. This is the first I've heard of it. I'm sorry. Board Member Hoffmann — You haven't been around enough. The other thing I was wondering, I couldn't remember if there was any mention about educating drivers about the rights of bicyclists on the road. Is there a section on that? Ms. Tedesco — Yeah. There is. If you look towards the end, the recommendations. Board Member Hoffmann — Because that is very important. I think I ... I hear drivers once in a while who get so upset when there is a bicyclist on the road and say they ought to get off of the road and this is for a car. Board Member Conneman — I have a lot of respect for people who drive bicycles, but also they cut in front of you and don't obey the traffic rules. They go through stop signs. They turn left in front of you. So there are two sides to the truth. Board Member Hoffmann — I know there is. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Talty — Are bicyclists legally allowed to go down the center of the road, not the dead center? I'm talking your driving lane. I see more bicyclists in Ithaca go . down the middle of the driving lane. Board Member Mitrano — Are they turning? Board Member Talty — I just want to know. They are not turning. They are just moseying along. Board Member Hoffmann — Are they getting ready to turn to the left maybe? Board Member Talty — No. Board Member Thayer - No bicycle lane. Board Member Talty — There is no bicycle lane, but they are literally dead center of the center of my car as I'm driving. So, for example, I know ... see I think there is a lot of driver frustration out there and that is what leads to speeding. So, for example, by not having signals timed correctly people are, ah, I gotta jump ... I gotta get to the next light before it changes. Or if there is a bicyclist in the middle ... you know, going 10 mph, there is an urgency, there is a need in the driver's mind to get around that person and speed up at the stop sign. I think that if there was unison where everyone was moving appropriately there wouldn't be as much urgency to speed. Board Member Thayer — Perfect world. Chairperson Wilcox — Yeah. Board Member Talty — Well, Route 13, they can start there because going through the City of Ithaca, I bet every single person in this audience has done it... Board Member Mitrano — Oh dear. Board Member Talty - '...where they will try to get to the next light because you know Green Street is going to change or one of those streets. So I know it has been brought up many times in the Ithaca Journal; but there is City of Rochester, City of Buffalo, they time the lights. If the speed limit is 30 mph, its 27 to time the lights perfectly and you get right through. So... Chairperson Wilcox — Ladies and gentlemen, before I close the public hearing, anybody want to make any additional short, brief comments based upon our discussion? Up to the microphone. You gotta come to the microphone. Name only will do. 39 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Mr. Segelken — Roger Segelken again. Back to the park and rides. I just wanted to question the assumption that shortening the distance that people drive is the only reason that people use park and rides. Particularly if you look at some of the very large park and ride facilities in the suburbs around New York City, clearly people are using that and taking a bus or a train to avoid the cost of parking in the City. The park and rides are generally free. There is some restriction on how long you can leave your car there, not overnight probably and some of them whether you are actually a resident of the Town that sponsors the park and ride facility. .I think when we are thinking about siting park and rides in the Town, we should keep in mind that distance driven is not the only motivation for using these things. Chairperson Wilcox Thank you, sir. Anybody else? Very good. Thank you. I will close the public hearing at 9:02 p.m. Tracy, you moved the motion? Board Member Howe — Second. Chairperson Wilcox — Seconded by Rod Howe. Discussion? Changes? Anything we think that should be focused on? Ms. Brock — Do you have any interest in listing some of the items that were discussed tonight in the resolution itself as items that you want the Town Board to be considering? Board Member Mitrano — Do you have some suggestions? Ms. Brock — I have some suggested language. This is sample only, so you may want to change the items I picked, but as I heard the public's comments and your discussion, these are the things that seemed to be recurring. In the resolution, the Planning Board is recommending that the Town Board adopt the draft transportation plan subject to comments from the Planning Board members, the public, etc. add at the end of that paragraph 1 the following language. So you are saying that you want the Town Board to adopt the transportation plan subject to comments from these various entities, "including additional discussions in the plan about truck traffic, Town of Ithaca evaluation of TCAT funding requests, potential speed limit reductions and, bicycle and other safety issues raised during the Planning Board's November 21st public hearing." Mr. Kanter — Could you repeat that? Board Member Howe — As long as that doesn't preclude other things that...I think Nicole probably took notes on and what not. Ms. Brock — We can say... Chairperson Wilcox — It doesn't preclude, it adds extra emphasis to those items. .I PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Mr. Kanter — Could you just repeat those? Ms. Brock — The items are...the language is added at the end of the phrase, "as appropriate, including additional discussions in the plan about truck traffic, Town of Ithaca TCAT funding requests, potential speed limit reductions, and bicycle and .other safety issues." Chairperson Wilcox — Bicycle and pedestrian safety issues? Mr. Kanter — That one I'm not quite sure what that would mean exactly. Because I think ... there is a lot in the plan that addresses that. Chairperson Wilcox — I think it is an indication of our concern and focus and... Board Member Mitrano — Yeah. I'm all for it. Chairperson Wilcox — I think we are just simply highlighting those areas. Ms. Brock — But add the word ""pedestrian" after bicycle? Chairperson Wilcox — Yeah. Ms. Brock — "bicycle, pedestrian, and other safety issues." Board Member Hoffmann Yes or could it say perhaps "including, but limited to" and then you list those things? ' Ms. Brock - Sure. That would be fine. "Including, but not limited to" at the beginning. Does that hit the major issues? Chairperson Wilcox — Tracy, you happy? Board Member Mitrano — Yeah. Chairperson Wilcox — Rod, acceptable? Board Member Howe indicates changes are acceptable. Chairperson Wilcox — Anything else? All set? All set over here? All those in favor please signal by aye? Board — Aye. Efil PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — Anybody opposed? Are there any abstentions? There are none. The motion is passed. Thank you very much. Ladies and gentlemen, thank you. I. appreciate your patience and we thank you for staying here and providing your input. Before you we all leave, I wanted to note for the record that Will Burbank is here. I think that was already noted. He is a member of the Town Board. Ed Marx, the Commissioner of Planning, was here. He just recently stepped out in the last couple of minutes. He also was in attendance this evening and heard the discussion this evening. All set? Very good. Thank you all very much. PB RESOLUTION NO, 2006-113: Recommendation to Town Board Regardin4 Adoption of Proposed Transportation Plan MOTION made by Board Member Mitrano, Board Member Howe. WHEREAS: 1. For the past three years, the Town of Ithaca Transportation Committee has worked on a draft Transportation Plan, the goals of which include protecting the quality of life in the Town and the livability in residential neighborhoods, the expansion of bicycling, walking, and transit opportunities, and adoption of roadway design guidelines that promote aesthetically pleasing, safe, and efficient streetscapes that promote alternatives to the low- occupancy motor vehicle; and 2. That, if adopted, the Transportation Plan would provide a guide for the maintenance and development of the transportation system in the Town, and could potentially become an element of the Town s Comprehensive Plan; and 3. The Town of Ithaca Transportation Committee has already held three informational meetings for the public to present the .progress of the Plan and to solicit input from residents; and 4. The Town of Ithaca Town Board, on October 5, 2006, has referred the draft Town of Ithaca Transportation Plan to the Town of Ithaca Planning Board for their review, comments, and recommendation (TB Resolution 2006 -195); and 5. On October 17, 2006, Planning Department staff gave an introductory presentation about the Transportation Plan to the Town of Ithaca Planning Board; and 42 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 6. On November 21, 2006, the Town of Ithaca Planning Board held a public hearing on the draft Transportation Plan to solicit input from the public; and. 7, That, pursuant to New York State Environmental Quality Review Act, the Town of Ithaca Town Board is acting as Lead Agency with respect to the environmental review of the draft Transportation Plan and will hold a second public hearing as part of the environmental review and adoption process; NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED; That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby recommends that the Town. of Ithaca Town Board adopts the draft Town of Ithaca Transportation Plan, subject to the following: 1. Comments from the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, Town of Ithaca Town Board, Town of Ithaca Conservation Board, other stakeholders (such as adjoining municipalities), and the general public submitted during the public hearing process are considered and incorporated into the Plan as appropriate including, but not limited to, additional discussions in the Plan about truck traffic, Town of Ithaca evaluation of TCAT funding requests, potential speed limit reductions, and bicycle, pedestrian and other safety issues raised during the Planning Boards November 21, 2006 public hearing; and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby recommends that the Town of Ithaca Town Board amend the Town of Ithaca Comprehensive Plan (1993) to incorporate the Transportation Plan as an element of it. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES. Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Thayer, Mitrano, Howe, Talty. NA YS.• None. The Motion was declared to be carried unanimously. AGENDA ITEM Update regarding the proposed Skilled / Adult Care Addition at Longview, an Ithacare Community, located at 1 Bella Vista Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 394-131, Planned Development Zone No. 7. The proposal involves the construction of a +/- 24,000 square foot addition on the north 43 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 side of the existing building to serve up to 32 additional, residents. The proposal will also include approximately 11 new parking spaces, a new driveway, and new stormwater facilities. The Town Board also referred the proposed amendment of Planned Development Zone No. 7 to the Planning Board for a recommendation. Ithacare Center Service Company, Inc., Owner /Applicant; Mark A. Macera, Executive Director, Agent. Chairperson Wilcox — Before you begin, our Town Attorney has something to say. Ms. Brock — I just want to disclose for the record that I had represented Ithacare in the past. I have not done any work for them since at least 1996 or 97. So probably about 10 years. One of the things I did do for them was represent them when they were before you probably in the mid- 1990s, 95 or so, seeking approval for the facility that is now on 96B, the Longview facility. This Planning Board gave a negative determination of environmental significance for that facility. Some neighbors sued ... my memory is they sued the Town and Ithacare intervened in the suit as well, basically on the same side of the suit as the Town trying to convince the court that the negative determination was appropriate and I represented Ithacare in that effort. The judge determined that an environmental statement actually should have been required. So one was then prepared and I worked with Ithacare on that as well. Then. the matter came back to the Board and you gave, ultimately, final approval for the project. The issue in the suit was one of viewshed impact and so that was the real issue that was being litigated, whether or not the impact on the view would have the potential to cause a potentially significant impact. Although the EIS was not limited just to viewshed, it went ahead and looked at a number of other issues, too, environmental issues. That matter has been long resolved. The facility is now built. What Ithacare is coming before you now about is a different matter in that they are going to. be proposing an addition to the facility. I do not believe that there is any type of conflict of interest or appearance of impropriety, however, if as things develop, impact on viewshed becomes a large issue again, then perhaps I'll look at whether I should continue to represent the Town in this. It's not the same matter, but maybe because some of the issues are very similar to the types of issues that were in the past, you know, it may or may not be appropriate for me just in terms of how things might appear to the public. So I just wanted to give you that disclosure. I have talked with. Mr. Macera about all of this and Ithacare has no problems with my representing the Town now on this matter. But I wanted to get this just out on the record and have it be a very open process. And if any of you have any discomfort with my role as Attorney for the Town in this project, please say so because it's better that we have this discussion up front rather than on the back end of things. Board Member Mitrano — What court did that go to, Susan? Ms. Brock — It was here in Tompkins County Supreme Court. Judge Relihan. CIAI PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — You don't have a problem, Mark? Mr. Macera — No. I would only add that discussions that Susan and I had also took into consideration that the interested parties, which essentially include Ithacare and the Town can basically disclose it and eliminate any conflict of interest that would take it to the next step and freeing the parties from any potential negative outcome as a result of any actions that Susan may take on behalf of the Town and Ithacare may take in filing an application Ms. Brock — I think what he is referring to, is that Ithacare has waived any potential conflict of interest. I mean I don't think there is one anyway, but Mark has actually stated to me in writing that they waived that. So that provides the Town more protections. Board Member Mitrano — Okay. Board Member Thayer — Okay. Ms. Brock — At least vis -a -vis Ithacare. Chairperson Wilcox — You can begin. The floor is yours. Mark Macera, Executive Director of Ithacare My name is Mark Macera. I am the Executive Director of Ithacare Longview, located at 1 Bella Vista Drive here in the Town, of Ithaca. My colleague and associate in this project next to me is... Dave Schossler, Schopfer Architects: Dave Schossler, Schopfer Architects, Partner, 1111 James Street, Syracuse NY. Chairperson Wilcox - Can I interrupt one more time? I'm sorry, Mark. Ladies and gentlemen, there is at least one visual and possibly some others. If you wish to come up and come around and be able to view it better you are certainly welcome to come up behind us if that works better for you. My apologies. Mr. Macera — Our objective here this evening is pretty much to revisit the issue of the sketch plan review that was submitted for the Town of Ithaca's initial review, I think approximately one year ago. I believe it was November of last year. We recently submitted an application for preliminary site plan review and then leading up to the process to begin that actual review; we wish to revisit the sketch plan review. We have submitted information that includes additional documentation to begin that process. We hope to present you with additional information, answer questions, and perhaps identify additional documentation that may prove necessary and useful to the Town in 45 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 considering our expansion project. With that, let me point out, for those who are interested, there are several other representatives of Ithacare. I know there is no scheduled public hearing here, but assuming that the members of the Town Planning Board are interested in hearing from any other members. Behind me and to my left, your right, I think from your right to left we have Betty Allinger, who is the President of the Adult Home Resident Council. Inside we have Kathryn Bisner, the current President of the Ithacare Board of Directors. To her right is David Corson, the immediate past President of the organization. I'm also pleased to note that we have two other residents . here. We also have John Wood, who is the President of the Independent Resident Council and we have two other residents here. We have Artie Bennett, who is a resident and Lemoyne Farrell, behind me. So they are prepared, I think, to respond to questions or comments. regarding this project. Board Member Mitrano - Eva has some questions. Board Member Hoffmann Well, I'm waiting. Do you have some more presentation to give? Mr. Macera — We are prepared to begin a discussion of the documents that are here and just some general questions that will probably determine the direction of the way we proceed this evening. Mr. Schossler — I guess I would add between the last year, from sketch plan to what has been presented here, there really has been no significant changes in what we have presented other than we have had obviously more detailed information, grading plan, stormwater management plan, etc, which take the sketch plan review one step further. As a simple reminder, the Longview is sitting on approximately 28 acres. It is currently 129,000 square feet of building on four levels. The. site grading from the north...from the southeast, which is up in this corner to the opposite corner at the northwest is a drop of about 75 feet. The existing building as it was approved in the SLUD had a maximum height of approximately 600 elevations, elevation of 630, which is ... what is being proposed is a 22,000 square foot addition tucked in down and behind, if you will, out of sight of Route 96 and a majority of the residents that currently...the residential units that occupy the facility. It will add 30 units to the capacity of the facility. It is being ... its finished floor level is 5 feet below the lowest existing floor level, for the purpose of reducing sight line issues within the complex, not outside it, but within it. And as we presented previously, the addition is one story, 22,000 square feet, and there is a link at this location, which ties in through via elevator access to the upper floors and that is approximately 3 stories. Once completed, that 3 -story element will be approximately 17.5 feet below the existing highest roof plane of the existing building. So in sight line studies that we have given you and photographs we have given you, even from the highest point on 96B from the overlook and rest stop, there will be absolutely no view of any portion of the addition. The closest view one can actually get mo PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 to, seeing this as one moves from north to south on Route 96 coming up the road, there are fleeting glances of a portion of the building. What we have added to what wasn't there in sketch plan, but which we have added, is we have current surveys and site grading plans. We have had modifications and discussions with New York State DOT. As of today, we just received approval. Originally, we had proposed a curb cut at this location. They were concerned with two things, one the angle and two the distance from the existing curb cut. With the plans we have submitted, have it revised at this location and has a complete elevation and grading to it. Today we received an acceptance from New York State as to that modification. We've also got a stormwater management report as planned, which basically locates two detention areas. One which basically is a filtration and we are basically retaining approximately 3.5 acres of property, which far exceeds the acreage of the development itself, which is less than 2 acres. Then a pond, which is down in this area, you will see actually on the grading plan the area proposed for the pond does not actually have any shrubbery in it. It is actually a low area, hence a natural detention area. So we are actually taking advantage of that and actually all we have to do is build up the west end of that and it is a natural detention area shielded visually by this row of trees and shrubbery at this location. Additionally, we have given you a landscape plan, photometrics and updated floor plans and grading and elevations sheets. I guess with that we can open it to questions. I'm sorry ... we have also received a list of suggested additional submittals from Jon Kanter. I think we are about half way through that. We have made some of those and the intention of those was to have them submitted for our preliminary review in December and will have most of those within the next week. Mr. Macera — You will find those items as part of the memo that Jon sent to you that includes on the front page, first paragraph, bottom, amending or drafting a new public law to amend the old law creating Longview and basically that large middle paragraph on page 2 of that memo, which identifies the items that Dave is alluding to, which includes such things as, again, driveway configuration, which David just suggested documentation regarding the archeological resources on the site, perhaps a revised long environmental assessment form, issues dealing. with an updated narrative, additional grading details, if necessary, draft easement that we need to work out language with Ithaca College given the grading scheme that that proposes. Basic additional information sources that would enhance information that is already in the Town's possession or was included in the submissions that we have made so far. Mr. Schossler — The State Historic Preservation had an early response to our submissions last year. We have just recently submitted our response to them and documentation showing that we believe this to be ... that they should be issuing a =4 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 negative declaration with respect to archeological on this site on the basis that it is a totally disturbed site, particularly the area in which we are developing. We showed grading plans. We gave them grading plans prior to the original construction and after the original construction showing that there is over 10 feet of fill in that area, of which we will be excavating only into the fill. And the other basis is that bedrock and shale throughout the entire site was anywhere from 1.5 to 5 feet below existing grade, which is not your typical archeological dig site. So on that basis we would fully expect and would hope that they would give us a response in the next couple of weeks. Chairperson Wilcox — Is the natural depression part of mining activities from way back when or at least...? Mr. Schossler — You mean the detention area? Chairperson Wilcox— Yeah. Mr. Schossler — Actually, the detention area is just ... as far as I can see, is just natural grading and if you look at the ... actually if you the ... there are additional (not audible) ... beyond this point, obviously that is just the hill that continues right on down. So the drop of 75 feet from here to that location continues right on down and there is a natural drainage swale that is in there currently taking most of this at the moment. So what we are going to do is basically capture what we are doing, but again capture a larger area that drains right through there and detain that. We have given documentation to the Town to support all those calculations done by TG Miller. Board Member Conneman —.I have a question for Mark. I received your newsletter today, which you explain that the Governor of the State of New York had turned down your original plan and I assume to do this you also have to have some sort of an approval. Mr. Macera — The Governor didn't turn down any plans. What we had done is we had petitioned the Health Department originally to license this facility as a residential health care facility. I think most commonly known as a nursing home.. Because of commissions and because of moratoriums and because of current state of planning within the State Health Department supported by the Executive Branch, they were not issuing licenses for new nursing homes, expansions or fresh capital projects. We can license this as a number of different types of levels of care and we propose to move forward as an assisted living residence, an ALR. Certainly our intention is always to be able to provide skilled services. We would like to be licensed as a provider so we can accept Medicare and Medicaid and provide those services. That clearly is not going to happen today under the current Governor. Conditions could change the beginning of January, but eventually we would be looking forward as part of our strategic plan to be able to provide skilled rehabilitation services as a licensed. provider that can bill third party. EN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Conneman — So actually, it is ultimately up to the Health Department? Mr. Macera — As it is for any health facility under licensing mechanisms and regulations that are in place. That is correct. Board Member Conneman — I guess I am not sure. Is their point that there is not sufficient need for more nursing homes as you describe it? Mr. Macera — It depends on what source you want to accept and their rationale. I think the State ... (not audible) ... if you will, and the issue of the Certificate of Need process would suggest that there is none, but we can tell you as we sit here today and speak that Ithacare has residents who have aged in place and there are requirements for skilled and. rehabilitation services that the State refuses to allow us to provide under a license are forced to leave against their will. So our own definition of need certainly is not in keeping with the State's definition and they are basically controlling and dictating the terms and conditions of the health care, perhaps in this case the long term care system. Board Member Conneman — Ultimately if you were to get approval for this you would sort of be comparable to Kendall? Is that right? . Mr. Macera — Yeah, I think to describe us and to bring Kendall into discussion, Kendall is an Article 46, a life care community. We wish to become a life care community so that we would be able to provide similar levels of care, not withstanding the financing of such an approach, what we don't have that Kendall has today, is we have everything else, is a skilled nursing facility. Board Member Conneman — Got it. Thank you. Mr. Macera — So ours would continue to operate on a fee for service basis, theirs in an endowment under New York State Article 46. Chairperson Wilcox — Anybody? Board Member Thayer — They have done well to take care of the view problem. I actually have no problem as the fact that there is nobody here objecting, anyway. At least it doesn't appear. Chairperson Wilcox — You're right. It's early. Overall cut and fill? Mr. Schossler — We are about ... that information has been requested and we will be getting it to you. We are expecting to have an excess of about 20% at the moment. .. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — Can you put that into cubic yards? Mr. Schossler — Not yet. Chairperson Wilcox — Okay because obviously if it gets significant then we get into truck traffic and where is it going and... Board Member Mitrano — Don't take it up 89. Chairperson Wilcox — Can you... Mr. Schossler — As it is graded right now and submitted to you, what we did is we ran some numbers and I didn't .bring the documents with me because Jon had asked for them, but we hadn't submitted them yet, the numbers as they first came up are showing a 20% excess. The arrangement that is actually being made with Ithaca College is that we can actually take that product and move it right there and we may just have to submit a slightly modified plan to show a balance and that is what you are looking out on that supports the road. What it is, is actually grading plans that we have submitted, which are actually right in here and we are getting, currently, a relationship between Longview and Ithaca College. We are getting ... (not audible)...that basically show approximately, I think it is about a 50 foot right -of -way up in this area to show that we can basically overfill onto their property. One, because the grade naturally is extremely high right there and we need, in order to support the roadway properly, we need to go over that area. So that is actually what is shown on your grading plans and has been requested by supporting documents that is being worked on currently. I think when we get done, we will, be showing .you a balance cut and fill. Mr. Macera — With the point being you will see no trucks coming or going with regards to the fill materials other than foundation related materials. . Board Member Hoffmann — I did have a question about the fill that is going to spill over onto the Ithaca College property and I don't know if it is naturally steep there. I think it is steep there because of fill that happened when you did the original construction. Mr. Schossler — That is correct. Board Member Hoffmann — So the steepness is built in, it is not natural. But what I was wondering, if you are going to get permission from Ithaca College to put fill on their land anyway, why not avoid that very steep grade that you have indicated on your plans and let it fill out over a larger area and be less steep, as long as you don't damage some vegetation that it is important to keep. 50 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Mr. Schossler — As I said, basically, we at the moment, if we have the excess fill, we will revise the drawings to do just that, but if we don't have the fill, I don't want to be trucking in fill to make a grade, a less steep grade. Board Member Hoffmann — No. I didn't mean that you should do that. I just thought that whatever fill you had to put there, instead of making it so steep, you could make it less steep by spreading it out. Mr. Schossler — That is correct. That is what I was suggesting. When we get our cut and fill calculations just a couple of days ago, we will probably be submitting revised drawings to you on that grading plan to show a balanced cut and fill. Mr. Macera — If you go to the site plan that is submitted in the paperwork that you have, you'll notice those swales that was proposing moving the existing slope further to the north to support basically our highway, our means of egress, if you walk the site, you have seen it. It is such a high pitch now that the ability to do what I think you are suggesting, and I think is an excellent idea, we would have to bring in because there is no net difference based on what we are going to be excavating to be able to take a slope that is like this and basically do that. I mean it would just be...I mean just enormous quantities of soil. We are not going to produce anywhere near anything like that. I think the other issue is, is certainly with the College's permission and approval the issue will be their own plans for that land and any action on our part to invade or be invasive in doing more with their land could impose on their plans. I have no knowledge of what those might be, but those are the impacts on our part, I think it would be better than impacting college property at this point. Mr. Schossler — I will also suggest, one thing you have to realize is that scale is 1 inches equals 50 and basically that is a one on two slope that we are actually showing on there, which is a fairly manageable slope. I mean, you can actually on a 1 on 3; you can mow on a 1 on 3. If you basically took the slope that is occurring here that is untouched, we have actually taken that existing slope and this slope in here and matched it. This up in here is a little tighter than what currently exists just in these two areas. Mr. Macera — And all that soil is coming from where, David? Do you want to show the Planning Board? Mr. Schossler — Basically, as I said, we are taking 5 feet of fill out of this area and lowering the entire building for sight line issues, which again we showed you previously the rendering from, if you were standing over in here ... and looking at the ... (not audible). This is the existing building that is up in here. This is what we are proposing and it puts the peak of these roofs at the railing height of the second level. And right up in here is the top of the 3 -story addition. 51 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Hoffmann — You said that was a 2 -story or 3-story. addition? Mr. Schossler — It is actually 3 levels because it has to go. up to the dining level, which is right near the, essentially the third level up. Board Member Hoffmann — And that is supposed to have a flat roof? Mr. Schossler — It has .a flat roof for sight line purposes, yes. Board Member Hoffmann — And it is, what did you say? 17.5 feet below the highest point of the existing building? Mr. Schossler — Correct. Board Member Hoffmann — Okay. Mr. Schossler — And again, one of the items that Jon has asked is more detailed viewshed and I am assuming other than the photographs we have given you and the ... (not audible)...give you through it, the only thing more I can really provide you with is more detailed cut right through here to clearly represent the roof change, but we have given you complete exterior elevations of all buildings and all buildings in that link that clearly shows the height difference between proposed and the existing roof. Board Member Hoffmann — Yeah, based on the drawings and the. photos you provided, I don't see that there is going to be any change in what you see, what views you see after you build a new addition according to these plans. The view has already changed where the original building...so I don't see that there is going to be any more change to how much of the view you see, or how little, with this one. So I am not concerned about that it's happened already. Let's see. What else did I have? I wanted to ask you. There was something in the paper that Jonathan provided that mentioned that you are going to have ... you are going to exceed the number of dwelling units that are permitted in the current zoning and could you tell us by how many because it wasn't clear from this, to me anyway. Mr. Schossler — There will be 30. Board Member Hoffmann — It will be.:. Mr. Schossler — The addition will hold up to 30 residents, 30 units and the SLUD currently is 160, which they are at capacity. Board Member Hoffmann — And that was the limit? Chairperson Wilcox — It was written specifically to the size of the original building. 52 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Hoffmann — But I thought I remembered that there were going to be some additional units and cottages above and beyond what was in this building when you presented the original plan? Mr. Macera — There could be at some point in time with regards to our studies that indicate there is a small niche of service: Again, using Kendall as the illustration and comparison, Kendall developed and had the cottages. It is a known fact that there are some older adults moving into campuses in to our type still enjoy single -story cottages, physically removed from the facility. There is nothing being planned on this parcel of land, although we have acquired some additional land to the south. At some point in time the Board may wish to consider, the residents may wish to consider this as an additional housing /service option that that is just discussion in terms of us doing some free -will thinking about what could happen at some point, but that is not part of our current plan. Board Member Hoffmann — No, I understand it is not part of this proposal, but I thought it was part of the original proposal and that is why I thought 160 dwelling units was not the total allowed. Mr. Macera — It was never part of our original proposal. Only the congregate residence, a single building. Board Member Hoffmann — I distinctly remember it, but we'll pass... Chairperson Wilcox — I remember the discussion, but I also remember the Town Board and the Attorney for the Town crafted what used to be called the SLUD, now its called a Planned Development Zone, crafted it specifically to what was built. And I think one of the issues that Mark ran into is every time they wanted to make a small change, they certainly had to come back to us. I remember the small little outdoor facility for lawn equipment and things like that for example, but also potentially back to the Town Board to revise the zoning under which they operate. I am not surprised that the current zoning for the facility exactly matches their current capacity because it was very restrictive. It says that's all you can do. Mr. Schossler - The language actually refers specifically to the architect's drawing as submitted to you. Chairperson Wilcox — I'm not surprised. Mr. Macera — And I will just add, Fred, as some may recall, as part of that review process there were repeated questions from members of the public and some members of the Planning Board about, again, what are our broader plans over time. That was the context in which, you know, there was some open and free - wheeling thinking about 53 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 what else could take place on this site and it was during that that discussion and exchange that the issue that perhaps some separate and distinct, nonattached units was discussed. Not part of the plan then and still currently not part of the plan. Board Member Hoffmann It could be it was discussed at sketch plan level of review and then was abandoned, but I certainly have a memory of it. But I want to move on from that. There was some question about what will happen with the gardens that are in the location where you are proposing the buildings. Will they be abandoned or will they be moved somewhere else? Mr. Macera — No. I think... certainly we are subject to criticism if in fact, you know, if the Planning Board wishes to see more of what is there or modification of what we are proposing, but we will be replacing anything that we are displacing there. Currently and one of the references. of modification of site plan had to do with our intergenerational program, which we have childcare. Preschool childcare there. We built that ... (not audible) ... which we had to come to the Town for approval of that site plan modification. That would be moved to a different location and we are currently in discussions with Tompkins Community Action with regards to precisely where they believe it would be best suited and certainly in consideration of site plan where it would be facilitated. The issue of the covered walkway that runs to the inside now, which was another request for a modification of site plan that will be modified and moved to another location, still attempting to provide the opportunity to navigate the complex for people who enjoy taking walks and getting outdoors. The other gardens, the way that they are graded or raised and landscaping, there is a proposed plan for landscaping, certainly can be amended to include as much landscaping as people's hearts desire and certainly the budget will permit. There really are no limits to that. So we see no restrictions, no limitations associated with that all. Board Member Hoffmann — So you just told me a whole lot of things that I didn't ask about. So what you said, I think, if I can restate it is that the gardens will be moved some place else on the site, but you don't know where yet because they are not indicated on the plans. Is that right? Mr. Macera — Probably not a comprehensive, good illustration of exactly what gardens, what constitute gardens and where they will be moved. Chairperson Wilcox — Mark, the correct answer there is yes or correct. Mr. Macera — Yes. Board Member Hoffmann — Now since you did mention the walking trails, there is a section of the walking trails that are not on these plans, but that I remember from that original...the original construction. They are the trails that continue into the woods and there was a stipulation that they were going to be open to the public and they are. And 54 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 I am wondering if that could be indicated in some way on the plans that those are trails accessible to the public and that it would. be okay for the public to have access to them via this new driveway and parking lot because otherwise the walkways that are more in the southerly part of the parcel don't really.connect up to those trails. Mr. Macera — If you .look at the plans, the proposed project does not impact those nature trails, which were part of the original plans. It really displaces the promenade that we built and added that connects to those trails. The reserve spots are located on the southwest corner of the land and they would remain being reserved because that establishes what we believe to be the most appropriate traffic pattern for visitors to basically enjoy those nature trails at the trailhead. The issue of diverting traffic into two areas and to access the trails further removed from the actual trailhead, I don't think, probably just wouldn't make a whole lot of sense. Board Member Hoffmann — Are we talking about the same thing? Mr. Macera — I'm not sure. Board Member Thayer — There is no connection between the parking lot you are talking about and the trails that are open to the public. Mr. Macera — That is correct. Mr. Schossler — That's not exactly true. What is shown on here and what was actually surveyed out, these are all the trails that Eva is referring to and this is the new walkway that is going in that feeds to this walkway. So it is reconnected. Board Member Thayer — But yet you want the public who uses the trails to be over in the other parking lot as you just mentioned. Mr. Macera — Well, we have to add, because we are talking about two different proposals, two different plans over two different periods of time. These trails, which are located here in the woods, which begin and these are the reserved spots that allow public access to trails, this additional promenade was added later on. It did connect back to the trails. This project here does not touch any of the original plan that included the nature trails, which is served by these parking areas. The plan that we currently have, doesn't attach the promenade to these trails ... (not audible)...they exist as part of two different projects. If people are moving about the building here, they will still be able to access these trails, if they wish, but the point I wish to stress here is the parking areas Eva is alluding to, which are located here that provide access to trails is going to be maintained. There is nothing being supplanted by what we are proposing. These can be amended and modified and extended and changed any way you wish. We don't prevent the people, for example, who are visitors who use this trail from walking around the building now if they choose, but we propose, lets keep the 55 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 traffic and the visitors to these marked signs here as opposed to either remove some spots or even add a net increase of spots that might be located over in this parking cuk de -sac. Board Member Hoffmann — To the north. Mr. Macera — Exactly. Board Member Hoffmann — Right. The spaces for the visitors to the trails are to the south, which I had actually forgotten, so I was really talking about spaces in the north. So we understand each other there, but my point is I don't see that there is any trail or walkway that connects from the southernmost parking lots that you pointed out to these trails through the woods. Is there a trail around there? It's not indicated... Mr. Schossler — Yeah. If you look at 1 of 1, the second sheet in. It shows you ... a survey map by TG Miller, which basically doesn't have the grading on it, but it shows you all the pathways. Board Member Hoffmann — Okay. I see a dashed line. Mr. Schossler — Now what it is, basically on theirs it shows that what existed previously in this area, these walkways were not connected to this southerly. They are part of this project. We are connecting those now. Board Member Hoffmann — Yes, but I am talking about connecting the southernmost parking lot for people who don't live there to have access to...people in the public to have access to the trails in the southern part of the parcel. Mr. Schossler — That is what all of this is. Board Member Hoffmann — No. Not in the northern part. The southern part. There. Mr. Schossler — These walkways through here? Chairperson Wilcox — Right. Eva's question is can you get from the parking lot to the trail on a pathway. Mr. Kanter — Yeah. Its right there. Chairperson Wilcox — If that's what she is asking. Board Member Hoffmann — Yes. Board Member Thayer — Yeah, that's right. 56 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Hoffmann — It wasn't clear to me that the dashed lines there were actually an existing trail. Mr. Kanter - What Eva I think is saying, though, it would be helpful to show that actual trail on the site plan. Board Member Thayer — C1.1. It. should be on there. Mr. Kanter — You can see the clearing there, but you don't see that it is actually a trail. So I don't know if that is something you could just revise on there. Chairperson Wilcox — Anything else, Eva? Board Member Hoffmann — Let me look through here a little bit more. I think I had something else. I had a question about the light fixtures that are shown on plan C1.6, the photometrics plan. I see light fixtures L1, L2, and L3, but I don't see where Q. is used on the plan. Board Member Thayer — I hope not because that is a. bulb showing... Board Member Hoffmann — Yes, right. That is why I was looking for it. Mr. Schossler — We'll clarify that. I believe it is in the courtyard. It is the captured courtyard that is within the building. Ms. Brock — It is on the plan. Board Member Hoffmann — You do see it on the plan? In the courtyard? Ms. Brock — Its right here. Board Member - Hoffmann — Oh, all right. It does say L3 there. That looks like it is drawn on the building, but there must be an arrow pointing somewhere, which I guess I don't see anyway, but I do have a problem with that fixture as Larry pointed out because it looks like its clear glass and you see a bulb. That is the kind of fixture we especially don't like to see where elderly people live because elderly people are much more prone to being blinded by that sort of light and having trouble seeing what they need to see. It says wall -mount exit area light. Mr. Schossler — It is at the exit doors. Sorry. Board Member Thayer — So that is exterior. 57 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Mr. Walker But it's just in that courtyard area, right? Mr. Schossler — No. I stand corrected.. It is at the exit doors. We'll take a look at the fixture. Most of the those fixtures come with defused glass as well and I'll check. Board Member Hoffmann — I would suggest that you look into that because we try to avoid lights that create glare where you can see the bulb. I don't know if I have anything else. Let me look a little bit more. Chairperson Wilcox — Gentlemen? I'm all set. Board Member Howe and Board Member Thayer — I'm all set. Chairperson Wilcox — George, do you feel comfortable right now? Board Member Conneman — Yes. Chairperson Wilcox — While Eva looks, Mark, let me take the opportunity to thank you for coming tonight and being patient and giving us the update. Board Member Hoffmann — More and more we hear about new kinds of asphalt and paving materials that actually let water through when it drains rather.than sheeting on top and running off the edges and running into drainageways and creeks and eventually downtown as it would from this site. I would encourage you to look into whether it would be possible to build this new driveway and parking lots using that kind of material. Mr. Schossler — I will, discuss it with Mark, but I will tell you that we will probably be back here with the asphalt the way it is proposed because actually what we are doing is taking that runoff and actually controlling it now and we are controlling substantially more that is running off the site. One of the problems on this particular site is the grade that is on the road is, although it is very drivable, it is such that we are going to have to maintain that road for obvious purposes. We have used it, we have used if you will, more permeable pavers and things of that nature quite a bit and we have had a fair amount of problems in snow areas and snow removal areas with maintenance of those pieces. We will look into it? Board Member Hoffmann — What kind of material have you used? Mr. Schossler — Basically the pavers that we have used are ... they basically have holes at intersections, a variety of things like that. Also the ones that get the grass to grow up between them, which just have not functioned at all from a maintenance standpoint and again, the particular usage of this with where we are driving to and that nature we need to be able to maintain that properly. VTOP PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Board Member Hoffmann — Well, the newer materials I know ... I am familiar with the. kind of the pavers you are talking about, too and they do seem to work in some places, but they have now newer materials which are just pretty much like regular asphalt or concrete, but they let water through so that they should be much more easy to maintain even for plowing and such. . Chairperson Wilcox — And they stand up to emergency vehicles? Board Member Hoffmann — Well, Ithaca College had proposed some. Chairperson Wilcox — They made a change though. Didn't they change something and they eliminated part of it or moved part of it because they were concerned about... Board Member Thayer — It's laid down at Cass Park and we never really did hear the results. Chairperson Wilcox — Ithaca College had it for its new building, but they had to change some of it because of the concern about, I thought it. was the weight of the emergency vehicles. Board Member Hoffmann — Right. The fire trucks. Chairperson Wilcox — And the porous materials. They eliminated some or moved it to another location. Board Member Hoffmann — That could be, but for regular parking lots and such it was still okay at Ithaca College as I remember or other paved areas. Chairperson Wilcox — I'm not sure. Board Member Hoffmann — They moved that kind of pavement from the road where they needed the fire truck access to some other parts. Chairperson Wilcox — I'm not sure. We need to finish up here, just because we have some other things we have to do this evening. Board Member Hoffmann — Let's see... Chairperson Wilcox — Mark, you're all set for now? Mr. Macera — We just look forward to working closely with the staff, submitting additional documentation, clarifiication... (not audible)...we would elaborate on and have those documents include our discussions. 59 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 Chairperson Wilcox — If I may, ladies and gentlemen, normally I would give any of you a chance to speak even though this isn't a public hearing, but we are running a little late. We have a few more things to do. So when Mark and all of you return for preliminary approval and or final you will have an opportunity to speak for sure. Thank you very much. OTHER BUSINESS Chairperson Wilcox — We have to do a couple of things here that ... real quickly here. Chairperson Wilcox announced that Ms. Tedesco has accepted a position with TCAT, but will continue to work with the Town on a part-time basis to help finish the Transportation Plan. The Board thanked Ms. Tedesco for her work with the Town. Stacey Whitney, Overlook, appeared before the Board with a model light being proposed at Overlook. He announced that new fixtures have been installed on the Community Building. In a straw poll (with no commitment), the Board concurred that they would be willing to approve the model light fixture if it were part of a proposed application before the Planning Board. APPROVAL OF MINUTES PB RESOLUTION NO. 2006 -114: Approval of Minutes: November 7, 2006 MOTION by Chairperson Wilcox, seconded by Board Member Talty. RESOLVED, that the Planning Board does hereby approve and adopts the November 7, 2006 minutes as the official minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board for the said meeting as presented. The vote on the motion resulted as follows: A YES: Wilcox, Conneman, Thayer, Howe and Talty. NA YS: None. ABSTAIN: Hoffmann. ABSENT.• Mitrano. The vote on the motion was carried. Other Business Continued Chairperson Wilcox gave an overview of the December 5, 2006 Planning Board agenda. The Board discussed the new training requirements mandated by the State. .c PLANNING BOARD MINUTES FINAL - NOVEMBER 21, 2006 ADJOURNMENT Chairperson Wilcox adjourns the November 21, 2006 Planning Board meeting at 10:05 p.m. R,spectfully submitted, (arrie Coate W ore Deputy Town Clerk 61 TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD 215 North Tioga Street Ithaca, New York 14850 Tuesday, November 21, 2006 AGENDA 7:00 P.M. Persons to be heard (no more than five minutes). 7:05 P.M. SEQR Determination: Haines 2 -Lot Subdivision, 1519 Slaterville Road. 7:05 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision approval for the proposed 2 -lot subdivision located at 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 56 -1 -1, Medium Density Residential Zone and Conservation Zone. The proposal is to subdivide off a 4.463 +/- acre parcel from the southwestern end of the 8.112 +/- acre parcel, which will then be consolidated with City of Ithaca watershed lands. Patricia F. Haines; Owner /Applicant. 7 :15 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of a recommendation to the Town of Ithaca Town Board regarding the draft Town. of Ithaca Transportation Plan. 8:15 P.M. Update regarding the proposed Skilled / Adult Care Addition at Longview, an Ithacare Community, located at 1 Bella Vista Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel. No. 39 -1 -1.31, Planned Development Zone No. 7. The proposal involves the construction of a +/- 24,000 square foot addition on the north side of the existing building to serve up to 32 additional residents. The proposal will also include approximately 11 new parking spaces, a new driveway, and new stormwater facilities. The Town Board also referred the proposed amendment of Planned Development Zone No. 7 to the Planning Board for a recommendation. Ithacare Center Service Company, Inc., Owner /Applicant; Mark A. Macera, Executive Director, Agent. 6. Persons to be heard (continued from beginning of meeting if necessary). 7. Approval of Minutes: November 7, 2006. 8. Other Business: 9.. Adjournment, Jonathan Kanter, AICP Director of Planning 273 -1747 NOTE: IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS UNABLE TO ATTEND, PLEASE NOTIFY SANDY POLCE AT 273 -1747. (A quorum of four (4) members is necessary to conduct Planning Board business.) TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS Tuesday, November 21, 2006 By direction of the Chairperson of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that Public Hearings will be held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday, November 21, 2006, at 215 North Tioga Street, Ithaca, N.Y., at the following times and on the following matters: 7:05 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision approval for the proposed 2 -lot subdivision located at 1519 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 56 -1 -1, Medium Density Residential Zone and Conservation Zone. The proposal is to subdivide off a 4.463 +/- acre parcel from the southwestern end of the 8.112 +/- acre parcel, which will then be consolidated with City of Ithaca watershed lands. Patricia F. Haines; Owner /Applicant. 7:15 P.M. Consideration of a recommendation to the Town of Ithaca Town Board regarding the draft Town of Ithaca Transportation Plan. Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all persons in support of such matters or objections thereto. Persons may appear by agent or in person. . Individuals with visual impairments, hearing impairments or other special needs, will be provided with assistance as necessary, upon request. Persons desiring assistance must make such a request not less than 48 hours prior to the time of the public hearings. 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