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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 2005-04-19FILE DATE TOWN OF. ITHACA PLANNING BOARD TUESDAY, APRIL 19, 2005 The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on Tuesday, April 19, 2005, in Town Hall, 215 North Tioga Street, Ithaca, New York, at 7:00 p.m. PRESENT: Fred Wilcox, Chairperson; Eva Hoffmann, Board Member; George Conneman, Board Member; Tracy Mitrano, Board Member; Kevin Talty, Board Member; Kevin Jones, Attorney; Dan Walker, Director of Engineering (7:14 p.m.); Susan Ritter, Assistant Director of Planning; Mike Smith, Environmental Planner; Christine Balestra, Planner; Nicole Tedesco, Planning Intern. EXCUSED: Larry Thayer, Board Member; Rod Howe, Board Member; Jonathan Kanter, Director of Planning. OTHERS: Jean McPheeters, Chamber of Commerce; Noel Desch, Chamber of. Commerce; Heather Weber, Chamber of Commerce; Phillip Albrecht, Egner Architectural; Carol Stewart, 18 Penny Ln; Anne Morrissette, Coddington Road Community Center; Carol Bayles, Coddington Road Community Center; Laurene Gilbert, Cornell University; Steve Mohlke, Friends Meeting; Mary Tierney, Friends Meeting; Tom, Berta, and Emma Clausen, 1421 Slaterville Rd; Thomas and Ellen Bonn, 110 Penny Ln; Ernie Bayles, 209 Utica St; Wally Wiggins, 961 Taughannock Blvd; Dick Craypo, Mount Pleasant Rd; Jim Madden, 106 Penny Ln; Paul ?, 89 Penny Ln. CALL TO ORDER Chairperson Wilcox declared the meeting duly opened at 7:01 p.m., and accepted for the record Secretary 's Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of Public Hearings in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on April 11, 2005 and April 12, 2005, together with the properties under discussion, as appropriate, upon the Clerks of the City of Ithaca and the Town of Danby, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of Planning, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of Public Works,, and upon the applicants and /or agents, as appropriate, on April 12, 2005, Chairperson Wilcox read the Fire Exit Regulations to those assembled, as required by the New York State Department of State, Office of Fire Prevention and Control. OTHER BUSINESS Chairperson Wilcox — We have Kevin Jones sitting in of Barney, Grossman, Dubow and Marcus, the newest member of the law firm. Welcome, Kevin. Kevin is not unfamiliar with what we do. He was a member of the team that worked on defending us in the Overlook at West Hill lawsuit. Board Member Mitrano — That's done now, right? PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Chairperson Wilcox— As far as I know. So Kevin is familiar with us. He has seen piles and piles of paperwork. Attorney Jones — It's a pleasure to be here. PERSONS TO BE HEARD Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:02 p.m., and asked if any members of the public wished to speak. With no one wishing to speak, Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:03 p.m. AGENDA ITEM: SEOR Determination: Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce Addition, 904 E. Shore Dr Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:04 p.m. Jean McPheeters, Chamber of Commerce, 904 East Shore Drive Good evening. I'm Jean McPheeters. I'm President of the Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce located at 904 East Shore Drive in the Town of Ithaca. for your consideration tonight, you will be looking at the SEQR determination and.the preliminary and final site plan approval for the Chamber addition and renovation. You had already determined that we only needed to do the short form environmental assessment, which we have completed and we have sent in all of the appropriate forms and pieces of paper, I hope. I think we have answered all your questions and I don't think there are any particular objections that I have come across so we think that essentially this should . not cause any new traffic that we have taken care of, in or plans, rain water runoff and I think that we have answered the questions that we were asked by. the Planning Department. Chairperson Wilcox - Questions with regard to the environmental review? BoardMember Mitrano — No. Board Member Hoffmann — Well I was looking at the short EAF and I was wondering whether under point number 10 one. shouldn't include under other the. railroad, Conrail Railroad, which is right adjacent. And also I wasn't sure if Stewart Park is adjacent to this piece of land or not. Ms. McPheeters — It isn't actually adjacent because the railroad owns the property between us and the park Board Member Hoffmann. — Okay so the land one sees on this map here to the northwest of the railroad, that doesn't belong to Stewart Park then? That's pretty adjacent. Ms. McPheeters — That is actually the Greater Ithaca Activities Center on this side of the railroad as far as I understand. 2 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Board Member Hoffmann — I thought that was south of your property, isn't it? Ms. McPheeters — This piece of property? Board Member Hoffmann — Fred, do you know? Ms. McPheeters — Stewart Park is on the other side of the railroad Chairperson Wilcox — But on the other hand, the question asks what is in the vicinity not what's neighboring so I think...) would add park, forest and open space as a use in the vicinity. Board Member Hoffmann - I think I would like to add the Conrail, too. . Ms. McPheeters — Its actually Norfolk Southern now. Board Member Hoffmann — I think it said Conrail on the map. Ms. McPheeters — It probably does, but it's changed to Norfolk Southern. .I would be happy to add those. Chairperson Wilcox — We'll add them. Anything else at this point? Board Member Hoffmann — No. I think that is it. Chairperson Wilcox — Dan is not here yet. Board Member Hoffmann — Actually, I did have another question while we are waiting. It says in part two of the environmental assessment, which was prepared by Town staff, that this and I guess the information came from you, that this addition is not anticipated to mean that an addition of employees will be added, maybe one over the next two years. Ms. McPheeters Right. Board Member Hoffmann — And that currently there are nine full time and three part time employees. Ms. McPheeters — Right. We do intend to go to ten full time employees. Board Member Hoffmann — Okay, so I guess I was wondering why you would want to have it increased from 10 to 20 if there is no anticipation of that many more employees. Ms. McPheeters — The only reason that we want to go to 20 is we have butted up against the 10 limit right now in the summer times when we occasionally have people in M PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED like students, interns from the colleges and so sometimes during the summer we will have three interns in working and I have sorted juggled things to try to not go over the ten number. I don't anticipate us going to 20 and we could certainly deal with that, however, if we were ever in a situation where for instance we lost the contract with the County to run the Convention and Visitor's Bureau, what we would clearly do with the downstairs is to try to make it into space that would not need as much public space in it and our... according to the SLUD that we are operating under now we would need to rent to a non - for - profit organization and we would need to have the additional spaces in order to be able to rent to anybody. So that's really the only reason. Board Member Hoffmann — In such a. case you might have more than ten employees, too, is what you are saying.. Ms. McPheeters — Exactly, but we wouldn't have the visitors. Chairperson Wilcox — Sue, are you sitting in for Jon on this one? Ms. Ritter — He wrote up the material. I'm somewhat familiar with the addition. Chairperson Wilcox— Any comments? Ms. Ritter — I don't have anything additional to say. Chairperson Wilcox — Would someone like to move the SEQR motion? Board Member Mitrano moved the motion, and Board Member Conneman seconded the motion. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -034: SEOR, Preliminary & Final Site Plan Approval, Chamber of Commerce. Addition and Renovation, 904 East Shore Drive, Tax Parcel No. 18 =2 -10 MOTION made by Board Member Mitrano, seconded by Board Member Conneman. WHEREAS. 1. This action is Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed addition and renovations at the Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce located at 904 East Shore Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 18 -2 10, Planned Development Zone (PDZ) No. 5. The proposal includes a two -story, +/- 2,000 square foot addition on the north side of. the existing building for new bathrooms, office space, storage, and meeting space. The proposal also includes a request to amend the Special Land Use District (PDZ) No. 5 to increase the number of persons employed in the building at any one time from 10 to 20, which requires a recommendation by the Planning Board to the Town n PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Board. Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce, Owner; Jean McPheeters, President, Agent, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, and 3. The Planning Board, on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and Part 11 prepared by Town Planning staff, a cover letter from the Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce with a description of the project, a parking study (June 16- August 29, 2003), a set of drawings, entitled Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce Addition and Renovations, Site Plan (C -011, dated 3125105), Partial Site Plan Downspouts and Lighting (enlargement of C -011, dated 3125105), Floor Plans (A 101 and A 102, dated 1/13105), and Elevations (A200, dated 1/18105), all prepared by . Egner Architectural Associates, LLC, and other application materials, and 4. The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act.for the above referenced action as proposed, and, therefore, neither a Full Environmental Assessment Form nor an Environmental Impact Statement will be required. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. NAYS: None ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:10 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed addition and renovations at the Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce located at 904 East Shore Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 18 -2- 10, Planned Development Zone No. 5. The, proposal includes a two- story, +/- 2,000 square foot addition on the north side of the existing building for new bathrooms, office space, storage, and meeting space. The proposal also includes a request to amend the Special Land Use District No. 5 to increase the number of 5 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED persons employed in the building at any one time from 10 to 20, which requires a recommendation by the Planning Board to the Town Board, Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce, Owner; Jean McPheeters, President,. Agent. Chairperson Wilcox — Questions about the site plan? Eva? Board Member Hoffmann — I just have one question about the light fixture. It's unclear to me which one it is you are going to be using or are you using Might 12 type I and type II? Phillip Albrecht, Egner Architectural The lamp type I is a wall mounted one that will be at the southern most door of the building. Board Member Hoffmann - Is that the main entrance? Mr. Albrecht — No. The main entrance is a canopy. Type II will be ceiling mounted underneath a canopy and that will be at the main entrance. It won't be wall mounted; it will be ceiling mounted. So it will be shining down. Board Member Hoffmann — That makes me feel much better. Mr. Albrecht— Where type I you will see definitely pointing straight. down. Board Member Hoffmann — Oh, I see. This is what the wall mount looks like straight on. I was hoping there would be a photograph because it is a little hard to imagine how you would see the light source. Mr. Albrecht — The whole, point is just to shoot down right over the doorway, minimize the amount of any light. Board Member Hoffmann — So there won't be any glare. Good. Thank you. Mr. Albrecht — Your welcome Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:11 p.m. and invited members of the, public to address the board. With no persons wishing to be heard, Chairperson Wilcox closed the public hearing at 7:12 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board Chairperson Wilcox - Jean, have you seen the draft resolution? It simply asks for a few additional details. Ms. McPheeters - I have Chairperson Wilcox — No issues? No problems? Okay. 2 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Ms. McPheeters _ So after this I will come back to the board? Chairperson Wilcox — If we should pass the resolution as drafted possibly with some small changes, then you won't have to come back to this board. We would grant the Director of Planning essentially the right to review and approve those additional submittals that we have asked for. All set over here on the staff side? Any other questions. or discussions? Board Member Talty — Just a comment. I love this parking study, by the way, versus all the other parking studies that we have that come in front of this board. If we could emulate this all the time, this would be wonderful. Ms. McPheeters — Thank you. I invented that parking study. Board Member Talty — Outstanding. Way to go, Jean. Board Member Conneman - Do you have a license to do that? [laughter] Chairperson Wilcox - Would someone like to move the motion as drafted? Board Member Talty moved the motion and Board Member Hoffmann seconded it. PB Resolution No. 2005 -035: Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and Recommendation . Reparding Proposed Zoning Amendment, Chamber of Commerce Addition and Renovation, 904 East Shore Drive, Tax Parcel No. 18 =2 -10 MOTION made by Board Member Tally, seconded by Board Member Hoffmann. WHEREAS. 1. This action is Consideration of Preliminary and proposed addition and renovations at the Commerce located at 904 East Shore Drive, Toy 10, Planned Development Zone (PDZ) No. 5. T +/- 2,000 square foot addition on the north side bathrooms, office space, storage, and meeti includes a request to amend the Special Lai Final Site Plan Approval for the ^ompkins County Chamber of Fn of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 18-2 - ie proposal includes a two -story, of the existing building for new ig space. The proposal also d Use District (PDZ) No. 5 to increase the number of persons employed in the building at any one time trom 10 to 20, which requires a recommendation by the Planning Board to the Town Board. Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce, Owner; Jean McPheeters, President, Agent, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval has, on i7 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED April 19, 2005, made a negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and a Part 11 prepared by Town Planning staff, and 3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate, a cover letter from the Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce with a description of the project, a parking study (June 16- August 29, 2003), a set of drawings, entitled Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce Addition and Renovations, Site Plan (C -011, dated 3125105), Partial Site Plan Downspouts and Lighting (enlargement of C -011, dated 3125105), Floor Plans (A101 and A102, dated 1113105), and Elevations (A200, dated 1118105), all prepared by Egner Architectural Associates, LLC, and other application materials, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: is That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for Preliminary and Final Site. Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final Site Plan Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan control nor. the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and 24 That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Chamber , of Commerce Addition and Renovations, located at 904 East Shore Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 18- 240, as shown on the set of drawings, entitled Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce Addition and Renovations, Site Plan (C -011, dated 3125105), Partial Site Plan Downspouts and Lighting (enlargement of C -011, dated 3125105), Floor Plans (A 101 and A 102, dated 1113105), and Elevations (A200, dated 1118105), all prepared by Egner Architectural Associates, LLC, and other application materials, subject to the following conditions, prior to issuance of any building permit, unless otherwise noted: a. Revision of the Site Plan (C -011) to include the appropriate survey data of the boundary lines of the parcel, giving property metes and bounds to the nearest 1 110th foot, angles to the nearest minute, and at least one bearing, and the name and seal of the licensed architect, engineer or surveyor who prepared the topographic and boundary survey, and b. Revision of the Site Plan (C -011) to show the location of any existing or proposed fire or other emergency zones, the location of any fire hydrants on or accessible to the site, and the location, type and dimensions of any existing or proposed utility, drainage, or similar easements within, abutting, or in the immediate vicinity of the site, and n PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED c. Revision of all of the site plan drawings to include border lines bounding each sheet, as required in the Preliminary Site Plan Checklist, and d. Revision of the Site Plan (C -011) to include the names and addresses of all property owners of all parcels abutting the site or within 500 feet of the perimeter boundary of the site, together with tax parcel numbers for. all such owners, and e. Submission of one original set of the revised final site plan drawings on mylar, vellum or paper, . signed and sealed by the registered land surveyor(s), engineer(s), architect(s) or landscape architect(s) who prepared the site plan materials, to be retained by the Town of Ithaca, and f. Submission of record of application for and approval status of all necessary permits from county, state, and/or federal agencies, or documentation that no such approvals. are required, AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: 1. That the Planning Board hereby recommends that the Town of Ithaca Town Board enact the proposed local law to amend the Planned Development Zone No. 5 (Section 271- 7(F)(2) of the Town of Ithaca Code) to increase the number of persons permitted to be employed in the building at any one time from 10 to 20, determining that: a. There is a need for the proposed zoning amendment to increase the number of persons permitted to be employed in the building at any one time to accommodate future growth in the operations of the Chamber of Commerce and Visitors Bureau, and b. The existing and probable future character of the neighborhood will not be adversely affected by the proposed zoning amendment, and C, The proposed zoning amendment is in accordance with a comprehensive plan of development of the. Town. A vote on the motion resulted as. follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano,. Talty. NAYS: None. ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED AGENDA ITEM: SEAR Determination: Coddington Road Community Center Pavilion, 920 Coddington Road Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:16 p.m. Anne Morrissette, Coddington Road Community Center I. am the Director of the Coddington Road Community Center. I reside at 1058. Coddington Road. The center is located at 920 Coddington Road. We are proposing another pavilion to be built for our summer camp activities and it's slightly larger than the existing one, which is 8 =9 years old. Ernie Bayles, 209 Utica Street Basically the proposal is for a wood frame structure. Generally open, although there's an area probably a fifth of the footprint of the area, which will be enclosed for storage of camp equipment, tools and whatever else. The proposal will be to simply build freestanding pavilion. When the funds are available, we do hope to extend electricity to the site, but that is just generally to be able to run a small refrigerator and video machine on really bad days. There is no intention to use this thing at night or anything else. Chairperson Wilcox — Questions? Board Member Hoffmann — I just need to state for the record that I have two grandchildren that attend the preschool program I up at the Coddington Road Community Center, but I think I can probably still participate in an impartial way. Chairperson Wilcox - I have one question. Why did you choose to put the new pavilion where it is proposed to be located? Ms. Morrissette — Well, we had a little help from your.parks department actually, who know our site very well and came out in the depth of winter, tromped through 2 feet of snow. It was a good opportunity to see without the vegetation and they pointed out to me where we had originally located it would mean cutting down some of the nicer trees. We had thought we would locate it right on the edge of the ball field so it would be kind of open out to the ball field and minimize the need the pathways and so forth. But it really would destroy that hedgerow and, which is kind of a nice feature of the landscape right now. So by putting it back, we moved back to where it was scrubbier and there was nothing but a few locus trees that would have to be removed and program wise it should still not be an issue. It's area that we are familiar with. The kids already have trails up in there. As a matter of fact, that's probably the biggest drawback, is that we will have to destroy a few little special trails and create new ones. We think that it will add to the ambiance of camp and make it woodsy. Plus, it will keep that nice hedgerow along the ball field. Chairperson Wilcox — Yeah, my simple mind said, would you just put it over next to the other one. 10 Ms. Morrissette — No, actually in terms of pavilions for different age groups and some gotten fairly large since we built the first one, organizing the kids to have some separation. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED programming, we will be using the two separation is beneficial. Our camp has It really helps in terms of distractions and Board Member Mitrano — What ages do you take, Anne, during the summer? Ms. Morrissette — Entering kindergarten on up. Sixteen they are officially not campers any more. Then we have a counselor in training program for the preteens and then they start applying for jobs. So they are really there for indefinitely. Actually, a couple of our college students who work there went to preschool there. Board Member Mitrano — That says a lot of positive things about you. Chairperson Wilcox — Any other questions with regard to the environmental review? Board Member Talty = I think Nicole did a very good job putting this together. On lighting, there was indication that you are not sure what type of lighting you are putting up right now. Is it incandescent or going to be florescent? Mr. Bayles — The lighting that we currently have in the pavilion, which I think is appropriate unless you tell me different is there are six probably 100 incandescent ceiling mounted fixtures in that and I don't see that we really need anything more than that. So there is some mention of exterior lighting, no. There is no security lighting. There is no grounds light. Although the existing pavilion is used occasionally after dark and the lights are useful, that use is probably not going to extend out further into the woods, not at least in the foreseeable future. Ms. Morrissette — We only times it is used after dark currently would be for an event that started in the daylight and wound up in the evening. So we would use the main pavilion, which is not far from the main building and the building has lighting that shines out towards that pavilion so it is well lit. Yes, I agree, I guess it hasn't been discussed but we had no intentions of using this one for evening events. Board Member Hoffmann = The kind of lighting you have on the building that you say shines. out towards the pavilion, are those spotlights? Ms. Morrissette — Well, the building has security light and then the back yard, which goes up towards the current pavilion has two big floodlights that on the peak. .,they are in the peak of the roof of the new addition so that they shine up and illuminate the blacktop. We only use those if we are there. The other lights on the building come on automatically. They are on a timer. Board Member Hoffmann = Well, we are a little bit concerned about spot lights and flood lights because although they may work well if you walk from the building to the pavilion 11 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED when you have them in the back of you, if you go back towards them in the dark they may blind you more than help you see. Mr. Bayles — There is no proposal for any kind of flood lighting or exterior lighting on this building. This will all be essentially interior except since there are no walls they are somewhat exterior. Board Member Hoffmann - I wouldn't have any problem if you were to put up exterior lighting. It just has to be the right kind of lighting, which doesn't blind you. It actually helps you see the ground where you are walking. Board Member Talty - Incandescent, if you could recess them into the peak even though it is just going to be. it's going to be open peak, right? Mr. Bayles — Its open peak. Board Member Talty So if the lighting could just be slightly recessed. Mr. Bayles — I think if you go and look at what is there, which is really I think what will be done, its very casual because the overhang of the roof comes down below the ceiling line just because of the nature of construction. The cutoff is very good. It kind of creates a glow around the building like a front porch. And because it is going to behind a kind of wooded area anyway, I think that any light would be quite reduced and less than a typical residence. Board Member Hoffmann - I'm still a little worried about the spotlights or the floodlights from the main building. Ms. Morrissette — Maybe I was confusing. They don't relate to this. They are existing. They are on the daycare center building. Mr. Bayles — They are already there. Board Member Hoffmann - Yes, but if they point out towards the new pavilion... Ms. Morrissette — No. They point to the old one. Maybe that is where 1 misspoke and will take that into consideration. I didn't really...) wasn't aware of that. Mr. Bayles — The new pavilion is so far away that it is not going to receive any benefit from lighting from any of the adjacent buildings. at all. I I . Chairperson Wilcox - Any further discussion? Questions? Board Member Hoffmann - One little thing and that is on the...the Environmental Review Committee did make some comments and on page 2 of the short EAF, there is a spot to indicate that comments have been received and are attached. 12 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 1% 2005 APPROVED Ms. Tedesco – Yes. That is in section a of part II of the environmental assessment and there should be a check mark next to the line CB. The comments from the Conservation Board were simply that they had no comments and that they saw no problems with the proposed action. Chairperson Wilcox - Any other questions about the environmental assessment? Board Member Talty moved the motion and Board Member Conneman seconded it. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -036: SEOR, Preliminary & Final Site Plan Approval, Coddington Road Community Center Pavilion, 920 Coddington Road, Tax Parcel No. 47.441.3 MOTION made by Board Member Tally, seconded by Board Member Conneman. WHEREAS. 1: This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed pavilion at the Coddington Road Community Center, 920 Coddington Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 47. -1 -11.3, Low - Density Residential Zone. This action proposes the construction of a +/= 11200 ftz open pavilion in the southern corner of the parcel to provide additional protected outdoor space for summer camp programs at the Center. Coddington Road Community Center, Inc., Owner; Anne Morrissette, Applicant, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with respect to Site. Plan Approval, and. 3. The Planning Board, on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and a Part ll prepared by Town Planning staff, a plat entitled "Survey Map Showing Lands of Coddington Road Community Center, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York," prepared by Allen Fulkerson, dated February 15, 2002, and revised March 24, 2005 to show the site plan for the new pavilion, and plans including sheets numbered one and two, entitled, "CRCC Youth Pavilion —Final Plans," prepared by Ernie Bayles on July 2, 1996, and revised on March 24, 2005, and other application materials, and 49 The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental significance. in accordance with the New York State Environmental 13 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be required. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. NAYS: None. ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:27 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed construction of a pavilion at .the Coddington Road Community Center located at 920 Coddington Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 47mal A 1.3, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposed pavilion (approximately 24' x 50') will be located to the west of the ball field and will be used for summer camp programs. Coddington Road Community Center, Inc. Owner /Applicant; Anne Morrissette, Director, Agent. Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:28 p.m. and invited members of the public to address the board. With no persons wishing to be heard, Chairperson Wilcox closed the public hearing and brought the matter back to the board. Board Member Mitrano moved the resolution and Board Member Talty seconded it. Ms. Tedesco — The resolution has some conditions, but I would like to point out that the Town is working with the Coddington Road Community Center on a lot of the site plans and so on. Board Member Hoffmann - I think there might be a word missing in the last paragraph d on the second page of the resolution. Submission for review and approval by the Town Attorney. I think it should be of a revision or something like that. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -037: Preliminary & Final Site Plan Approval, Coddington Road Community Center Pavilion, 920 Coddington Road, Tax Parcel No. 47. =1 -11.3 MOTION made by Board Member Mitrano, seconded by Board Member Talty. WHEREAS: 1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed pavilion at the Coddington Road Community Center, 920 Coddington Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 47. -1 -11.3, Low - Density Residential Zone. iL! PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED This action proposes the construction of a +/= 1,200 ftz open pavilion in the southern corner of the parcel to provide additional protected outdoor space for summer camp programs at the Center. Coddington Road Community Center, Inc., Owner; Anne Morrissette, Applicant, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, has, on April 19, 2005, made a negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short. Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and a Part II prepared by Town Planning staff, and 3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted a plat entitled "Survey Map Showing Lands of Coddington Road Community Center, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York," prepared by Allen Fulkerson, dated February 15, 2002, and revised March 24, 2005 to show the site plan for the new pavilion,: and plans including sheets numbered one and two, entitled, "CRCC Youth Pavilion —Final Plans, ". prepared by Ernie Bayles on July 2, 1996, and revised .on March 24, 2005, and other application materials; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final Site Plan Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and 26 That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed construction of a +/= 1,200 ft2 open outdoor pavilion as shown on the plat entitled "Survey Map Showing Lands of Coddington Road Community Center, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York," prepared by Allen Fulkerson, dated February 15, 2002, and revised March 24, 2005 to show the site plan for the new pavilion, and plans including sheets numbered one and two, entitled, "CRCC Youth Pavilion —Final Plans," prepared by Ernie Bayles on July 2, 1996, and revised on March 24, 2005, subject to the following conditions to be met prior to the issuance of a building permit, unless otherwise noted: a. submission of an original of the final site plan on mylar, vellum or paper to be retained by the Town of Ithaca; 1. bo submission for review and approval by the Director of Engineering of the Town of Ithaca the details of the grading, drainage, and sedimentation and 15 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED erosion control measures for the site, as well as plans specifying the amount and nature of vegetation to be removed from the site; ca submission for review and approval by the Director of Planning of the Town of Ithaca the details of the location of access and/or paths to the pavilion, any planting and/or revegetation plans, and submission of lighting . details; d. submission for review and approval by the Town attorney of a revision of the existing easement and/or any other applicable agreements between the Town of Ithaca and the Coddington Road Community Center to .include the public use of the new pavilion, prior to the issuance of a certificate of occupancy. A vote on the motion resulted as follows. AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. NAYS: None, ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. AGENDA ITEM: SEAR Determination: La Tourelle Country Inn Tower Connection, 1150 Danby Road Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:30 p.m. Wally Wiggins, 961 Taughannock Blvd I appreciate your indulgence in letting us come back from time to time. We are on a fast track, which means sometimes the plans are being developed and handed to the contractor who is waiting for them so he knows where to put the next board. We didn't have time to present this part of the project, before we were trying to get into the ground before frost. So we have come back to you to ask you to look at this and hope that you will see that it is reasonable. It is designed for the accommodation of the guests at the hotel and is not a major facility, but to provide a decent convenience for them for breakfast, lunch and a light dinner because we have a restaurant there to accommodate the serious dinners. It has, I think, five, possibly six stools at the bar and two chairs in front of the fireplace, which will open into the existing fireplace in the lobby. I think one possibly two tables for two in the lobby. The restaurant, usually you figure 15 square feet per seat so I think we are going to be limited to about 20 seats in the restaurant or cafe portion of the project/facility. I think that is the essence of the description. Board Member Mitrano - Is the 15 square feet for just the seating area or does that take in the kitchen area? IN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Mr. Wiggins — Depending on the kind of seating that you have, if it's in a restaurant you have 15 square feet per person in the restaurant. That includes the space behind the chair, the table, and the other chair, so forth. If you have seating like in a theatre then its 10 square feet. Board Member Hoffmann - I think it's a good idea to fill in that space between the tower and the main building and create something usable out of it. Mr. Wiggins — I hope you will find it appropriate and pleasant when you come to visit us at some point. Board Member Hoffmann = Just one more thing, again on the EAF, on point 10 on the first page, the present land use in the vicinity of the proposed project only commercial is marked off, but I think there is also residential and the Buttermilk Falls State Park. So I think one should mark off park, forest, open space as well and residential. Chairperson Wilcox - Your property actually borders state land, right? Mr. Wiggins — No. This...there are 70 acres here. This property was zoned 20 years ago on a 20 -acre piece in the center of the 70 acres. I will be coming back to the board the next time it is appropriate to ask for a subdivision. That is to say, dividing this project from the balance of the land. The balance of the land has now been sold to my son -in -law and his wife, my daughter, and actually there is a subdivision off to the south here that was approved some number of years ago. We are going to withdraw that and not go forward with the subdivision. So it will just revert to residential all around this project. So it is surrounded by land owned by family. Chairperson Wilcox - But the State parkland is certainly in the vicinity. Mr. Wiggins — The State parkland surrounds.that 70 acres. Board Member Hoffmann - Are you all agreeable to marking off the two additional ones that I mentioned? I don't know if there is any agricultural land nearby, but I don't think so. Chairperson Wilcox - Does La Tourelle have its own liquor license or does it share the liquor license with the restaurant? Mr. Wiggins — It has its own liquor license. Chairperson Wilcox - And you don't advertise for people to come to La Tourelle and drink? Mr. Wiggins — We do not. 17 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Chairperson Wilcox - So its there for the purpose of people staying. Is there a kitchen in La Tourelle? Mr. Wiggins — There is a kitchen where food is prepared generally. If it is a big banquet it is usually prepared some other way. We proposed to have it in the facility. We will be able to prepare food in that kitchen, but up to this point we haven't done that. Chairperson Wilcox - So small items might be prepared in the kitchen, but larger things will be in the restaurant. Dan, any comments with regard to drainage? Mr. Walker - No. It's a small area of disturbance. Its basically been disturbed. already. Chairperson Wilcox - I think the footprint is something like 800 square feet or something like that. Mr. Walker - The sidewalk and roof before pretty much (inaudible). Chairperson Wilcox - Any other questions with regard to the environmental review? There being none, would someone like to move the SEQR motion? Board Member Conneman moved the motion and Chairperson Wilcox seconded it._ PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -038: SEAR. Preliminary &Final Site Plan Approval, LaTourelle — Tower Connection & Cafe Addition, 1150 Danby Road, Tax Parcel No. 36 -1 -4.2 MOTION made by Board Member Conneman, seconded by Chairperson Wilcox. WHEREAS: 1. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed +/- 1,479 square foot, three level addition to the La Tourelle Country Inn located at 1150 Danby Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 36- 14.2, Planned Development Zone No. 1. The proposal involves construction of an addition on the south side of the existing Inn between the Inn building and the tower suite building, including a storage room on the ground floor level ( +/- 384 sq. ft.), a cafe, lounge and bar on the first floor ( +/- 800 sq. ft), and a hallway connection to the tower room on the second floor ( +A 295 sq. ft.). Walter J. Wiggins, Owner /Applicant, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, and 3. The Planning Board, on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and ffeeli PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Part 11 prepared by Town Planning staff, plans titled "Site Plan" (SP -1), "Floor Plan" (A -1 and A -2), "Section / Elevation" (A -3), dated 03- 07 -05, prepared by The Crissey Architectural Group, and other materials, and 4. The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be required. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, NAYS: None. ABSTAIN: None. Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:37 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed +/ -1,479 square foot, three level addition to the La Tourelle Country Inn located at 1150 Danby Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 36- 14.2, Planned Development Zone No. 1. The proposal involves construction of an addition on the south side of the existing Inn between the Inn building and the tower suite building, including a storage room on the ground floor level ( +/= 384 squ ft.), a cafe, lounge and bar on the first floor ( +/= 800 sq. ft.), and a hallway connection to the tower room on the second floor ( +/= 295 sq. ft.). Walter J. Wiggins, Owner /Applicant. Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:39 p.m. and invited members of the public to address the board. With no persons wishing to be heard, Chairperson Wilcox closed the public hearing at 7:40 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board. Chairperson Wilcox - Michael, you have some information that you want to provide. Mr. Smith - I have an extra map here for you dealing with a condition that we wanted to add to the resolution. The map really doesn't have anything to do with this proposal tonight, but to be able to understand the condition a little bit better, I wanted to pass these maps out that I got from Wally this afternoon. The condition .when we originally approved the spa and the room addition, we didn't include any operation or maintenance agreements or any recording to deal with the stormwater facilities like we 19 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED had with some of the other projects in the past like the Cayuga Medical Center and those types of things. So originally we were looking to add a condition to the approval tonight to ask for an operation maintenance agreement along with a recording agreement that deals with stormwater, but since talking with Wally he may be coming back with some modification, which show up on this new plan that was just passed out to you and the majority of modifications deal with the storm water facilities. So this will give you an idea of what he may be coming back with. Staff really hasn't looked at it and we haven't gotten a lot detail, but we just wanted to show you the quick plan to show that something most likely will be coming back with modifications. So the condition we are suggesting tonight is asking for an operation and maintenance plan that references the old design and plans, but in case that has changed, we have kind of an or in the condition to reflect if the agreement isn't needed any more if these modifications are made and something different is done, but it will still give us a way to get the maintenance agreements for the stormwater. facilities on the site, even if something doesn't happen in the future, the modifications don't happen, if that makes sense. Chairperson Wilcox - Does everybody understand that? Board Member Mitrano - Sure. Chairperson Wilcox - I specifically ask that Mike not introduce this to the end until we go through the existing application in front of us so that it would prevent us from going off on a tangent. Attorney Jones — If the or contingency happens, who is going to determine that the stormwater is being handled in a way that the agreement is not necessary? Mr. Smith - I think if the or happens, most likely it is coming back to the site plan approval for site plan modification and the Town Engineer and staff will be looking at it. Most likely the Planning Board will be giving their opinion at that point, too. Attorney Jones — Maybe we should make that clear. Submission to the Planning Board, agreement with stormwater plans and details. Chairperson Wilcox - Any further discussion or questions with regard to the proposal in front of us this evening? There being none, would someone like to move the resolution as drafted? Board Member Mitrano moved the resolution and Board Member Talty seconded it. Mr. Smith read the new condition. Mr. Walker - I don't think its just submission is what we need though. I think it should be submission, review and approval by the Planning Board for the or. Basically what he is saying is he is going to come back with a modification to the original site plan showing 20 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED that the stormwater management does not require the new pond that was originally be proposed, which may very well be possible on this site. This condition for stormwater plans is something that we are going to be needing. It will be a feature of our new stormwater ordinance that will be required of all projects in the future. Chairperson Wilcox - Until such time that we have that ordinance we are going to be adding conditions which indicate that we need. ..(not audible). Attorney Jones — I would put review and approval prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy. Mr. Smith - Read the revised new condition. Chairperson Wilcox - Can l ask you to read it again? Mr. Smith - Starting from the beginning it says, "submission of a stormwater operation, maintenance and recording agreement between the property owner and the Town of Ithaca prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy satisfactory to the Director of Engineering and the Town Attorney or prior to the Certificate of Occupancy, for review and approval by the Planning Board, submission of new stormwater plans and details showing that the previously approved stormwater facilities for the spa and room addition are being modified and that the stormwater is being handled in a way that the agreement is not necessary. Chairperson Wilcox - Change acceptable? Essentially, he is going to do what we are approving, or if he comes in and changes it, he has got to do that instead.. Mr. Smith - Well, approving the tower piece tonight and the maintenance agreement for the whole site the stormwater or he is going to come in with new plans for modifying the stormwater and other site elements and we would get the agreement at that point if it is necessary based on what the design is. Chairperson Wilcox - I understand it. Wally, do you understand it? Mr. Wiggins — Yes. than an acre of land understand it, would added so that if that the Planning Board i first place. We have been advised by the engineers that there has been less disturbed, which means that there ordinarily would not be any, as l not be any stormwater plan to be needed. I would like that to be is what they find that to .be the case I don't have to come back to they find indeed there was no need for the stormwater plan in the Mr. Smith - I think you would still need to come back to the Planning Board because it is going to be different than what they approved. with the pond and other stormwater features and you are showing on here differences in parking and other elements. So I think you would still have to come back and the stormwater, even though you wouldn't 21 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED necessarily be over the one acre, you would still need to be able to show that you are treating the stormwater on the site. It just won't be on the same level. Mr. Wiggins Under what circumstances do I come back then? Mr. Smith - I think that is what we are going to figure out once we have a chance to look at the plans a little bit more and. see what has been changed. Mr. Wiggins — My hope is, of course, whatever can happen we can do it in time to be able to open when we are suppose to open. Mr. Smith - Right. All of the changes that are being proposed really don't affect the actual construction or the building. All of the changes that have been shown proposed deal with the site elements, the stormwater, parking and walkways and those types of things so the construction that is happening wouldn't be affected by any of the modifications that would come up in the future. Board Member Mitrano - So very briefly, again, what would be the conditions under which Mr. Wiggins would have to return? Mr. Smith - With what he is showing here, it looks like he probably will. Taking out the pond and changing where the stormwater is going and how it's handled. There is taking out some of the parking, a couple of the walkways and steps are being. changed or moved. Board Member Mitrano - So those kind.of changes trigger the new legislation and the proactive measures. Mr. Smith - There are requirements in the site plan approval that there are minor things that staff can do if it is under $20,000, if it involves three parking spaces and there is a list or series that can be done. I think that just looking at this quickly it is going to trigger coming back to the board for the modification. Board Member Mitrano - Okay. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -039: Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, LaTourelle — Tower Connection & Cafe Addition, 1150 Danbv Road, Tax Parcel No. 36 =1 -4.2 MOTION made by Board Member Mitrano, seconded by Board Member Talty. WHEREAS. 1. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed +/- 1,479 square foot, three level addition to the La Tourelle Country Inn located at 1150 Danby Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 3644.2, Planned 22 PLANNING BOARD. MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Development Zone No. 1. The proposal involves construction of an addition on the south side of the existing Inn between the Inn building and the tower suite building, including. a storage room on the ground floor level ( +/- 384 sq. ft.), a cafe, lounge and bar on the first floor ( +/= 800 sq. ft.), and a hallway connection to the tower room on the second floor ( +/- '295 sq. ft.). Walter J. Wiggins, Owner /Applicant, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, has, on April 19, 2005, made a negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and a Part 11 prepared by Town Planning staff, and 3. The Planning Board, at a .Public Hearing held on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate, plans titled "Site Plan.' (SP -1), "Floor Plan (A -1 and A -2), "Section / Elevation" (A -3), dated 03- 07 -05, prepared by The Crissey Architectural Group, and other materials, and NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final Site Plan Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that.such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and 2. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed +/- 1,479 square foot addition, including a storage room on the ground floor level ( +/- 384 sq. ft.), a cafe, lounge and bar on the first floor ( +/- 800 sq. ft.), and a hallway connection to the tower room on the second floor ( +/= 295 sq. ft.), as shown on plans titled "Site. Plan" (SP -1), "Floor Plan" (A -1 and A -2), "Section / Elevation" (A -3), dated 03- 07 -05, prepared by The Crissey Architectural Group,. and other application material, subject to the following conditions: a. submission of an original of the final site plan on mylar, vellum or paper, signed and sealed by the registered land surveyor, engineer, architect, or landscape architect who prepared the site plan materials, to be retained by the Town of Ithaca, prior to the issuance of a building permit, and ba submission of record of application for and approval status of all necessary permits from county, state, and/or federal agencies, including but not limited to an updated Stormwater Pollution Prevention Plan, prior to the issuance of a Building Permit, and 23 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED ce submission of a stormwater "Operation, Maintenance, and Reporting Agreement" between the property owner and the Town of Ithaca, prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy, satisfactory to the Director of Engineering and the Town Attorney, OR submission, for review and approval by the Planning Board, prior to the issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy, of new stormwater plans and details showing that the previously approved stormwater facilities (for the Spa and Rood Addition Project) are being modified and that the stormwater is being handled in a way that the agreement is not necessary. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, NAYS: None. ABSTAIN: None. Conneman, Mitrano, Talty. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. AGENDA ITEM: SEAR Determination: Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot, Tower Road Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:52 p.m. Laurene Gilbert, Cornell University Tonight I will be presenting three unpaved, gravel parking lots that will be improved by paving, curbing, lighting, draining and landscaping them. The locations for each one of them, just before we start so that we know what we are talking about. The first one that will be presented is the Rice Hall parking lot and that is to the east side of Rice Hall along Tower Road, near.. Ao the east of the Ag Quad. The second lot I believe is the Friedman Wrestling facility parking lot, which is to the east of Barles Hall and to the north of the Friedman Wrestling facility. Along campus road to the south and between Campus Road and Tower Road to the north. The third lot is a gravel lot on the corner of Tower Road and Campus Road next to the large animal research teaching unit. I'll begin as it is shown on the agenda for public hearings with Rice Hall. Well, let me just back up a little bit. Currently these lots are being used for contractor materials and storage parking. We will be assigning them as faculty and staff. parking and in one case visitor parking. Previously two of the three lots had already been employee parking before being dedicated for contractor use and I'll discuss that further as I get into the detailed explanation for each one. The Rice Hall lot, which l have indicated, sits right here along Tower Road. This is the first lot and the layout for this lot will accommodate 90 parking spaces. We have a one -way entrance off Tower Road along here and its one -way now and we will be keeping it as one -way and the circulation pattern will remain the same as it is now. It comes in off Tower Road up here and then exits out here., Or comes in here and you 24 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED can cross over and exit out here. So the circulation for cars will be the same. We will be narrowing this drive a bit in order to design a layout that we feel is more suitable for the site using pretty much the same footprint that is there now, but in a more organized fashion and I'll describe that a little bit more as I go on. We will introduce a set of curbed landscaped islands that serve to define the parking bays as well as separate the drive though from the building to the lot in a pleasing way that currently does not exist. Now in this drawing here, the gray that you see is all existing, all existing hardscape. And as you can see down here on this drawing, this is an infrareds shot from a satellite showing the existing gravel lot as it is today. You can see how wide the drive is there and the configuration of the lot is sort of amorphic. It really doesn't have any definition. So as you can see, you can drive up this drive and there are cars parked here on the gravel. There is no separation really, formal separation between the parking lot and the building. So these treed islands here, which will also be lighted, serve to define the parking lot and make it a more pleasing experience between those two spaces. The design will preserve the largest mature mostly pine trees in the area, which currently lend themselves to creating a park like feel in the area. And I don't know if anybody's been over here, but where this information booth is, the space between the information booth and the parking lot, which is defined by the dark striped area is very woodsy. It's very shady. It's really a nice feel and we want to enhance that. Not only preserve it, but also enhance it. A lot of consideration was given to that. The design, we will also be improving the current shared pedestrian bicycle plan that runs along the north side of the lot, which is wooded and heavily used and that is this path along here. You can see it along here. We will be upgrading it, repaving it, narrowing it a bit because right now it was used previously as a drive - through. Now it is dedicated for a shared pedestrian bicycle pathway. So we wanted to narrow that down to make it more comfortable for pedestrians and bicyclists. There will be the addition of new lighting including the blue light, which is an intrical part of our safety system. The stormwater system was engineered to use detention ponds to keep the runoff contained to the area so that it is released slowly back into the stormwater system in a clean, effective and ecological way. Those detention areas will be in this area over here and then up to the north of the lot over here. They are our typical detail that we have been using and when we can fit them in a space, they are a great addition. They are a gravel depression that lets the water filter through and is caught be a piping system after the solids have been suspended by the gravel so that there is cleaner water going into the stormwater system rather than just using catch basins and sending it straight through the stormwater system. The types of trees that we have chosen for the lot are similar in nature and compliment the existing vegetation in this area of campus. They include sycamore, maple, cornelian cherry, winter king hathorne, green ash, eastern. white pine, northern red oak, and Japanese alcova. And that sums up my description of this project. Chairperson Wilcox - Questions? Eva? 25 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Board Member Hoffmann - I noticed when I looked at the parking layout, which is on page C -107, the planting plan, that I don't see any parking spaces for handicapped people and I was wondering about that. Ms. Gilbert — Well, we keep our parking space size the same for handicap spaces as we do for parking spaces, which is actually more of an aisle space than you actually need. for ADA parking aisle and we do that so that we can shift the amount of handicap spaces in a parking lot as they are needed for that particular lot rather than just building a parking lot with x amount of handicap spaces for each parking lot. So many buildings have so many different types of need for handicapped accessibility. This way we can have more flexibility to put in as many as we need for that particular parking lot, depending on who is parking there. So we don't actually designate a certain amount of ADA parking per lot. Its campus wide. We designate a certain amount of ADA parking for the whole campus. Board Member Hoffmann - But these spaces, as I remember, were somewhat smaller than the ones that the Town usually asks for. And I, myself, needed to have a temporary handicap permit recently and I need to be able to open my car door completely to be able to get in and out of my car. A parking space as narrow as these are supposed to be, I don't think I could do that. Ms. Gilbert — Well a handicap aisle needs to be five feet next to a car. So what we are doing here is we can have two handicap spaces with one whole car space in between used as the aisle for both of the parking spaces. Board Member Hoffmann - Right, but I don't see it can work. I mean if I need to find a space to park I need to find to adjacent empty spaces in order to park there. Ms. Gilbert — No. Normally you would just have a five -foot aisle next to your car. Now you have an 8.5 -foot aisle next to your car. Board Member Hoffmann - I still don't understand what you are saying.. Board Member Mitrano - In other words because of the tight control that the University maintains over transportation, when they know how many people require spaces in that particular lot then they go ahead and designate those spaces and when they do it is somewhere in the ballpark off a 2 to 1 ratio. Ms. Gilbert — Yes. Correct. Chairperson Wilcox - So lets try this again. At some point... Ms. Gilbert — The size of the handicap aisle is actually larger than the required ADA requirement for a handicap aisle. 26 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Chairperson Wilcox - We haven't gotten there 'yet. Hold on. At some point Cornell will make the determination the number of handicap parking spaces that are necessary in this lot. Lets assume you need two. You will take three of these parking spaces as proposed to create to handicap spots. Ms. Gilbert — That's correct. Chairperson Wilcox - The left and right side parking spaces will become the actual spots and the third parking spot in the center will become the shared handicap access lane, if you will between the two and depending upon if you determine you need two or three or four, you will allocate the appropriate number of spaces including spaces that will become the lanes necessary for access. Ms. Gilbert —Thank you. Board Member Hoffmann - So if I understand you right then, at some point when you have determined how many of these spaces will be needed in each lot you will mark them in some way. Ms. Gilbert — Oh, yes. They will be striped accordingly and signed accordingly and then that can be flexible because when it is kept this way we can more easily move then around as needed. We also take great care in trying not to put handicap spaces in the corners of parking lots because that is where most of the snow gets pushed up. So you have handicap spots that are covered with snow, which doesn't serve anybody. Board Member Conneman - Does the 8 ft 6 or 130 feet what ever it is accommodate a big SUV ?: Ms. Gilbert — Its tight, but yes it does. They can park in there. Actually we have the minimum amount of space that we have for parking vehicles in a parking lot so that you can maneuver and park. We worked that out with the .City of Ithaca and they reduced their parking lot size requirement based on our recommendations because this was a number of years ago, We did this to try and reduce the amount of asphalt area by having larger parking spaces that accommodate larger vehicles more easily, the asphalt area increases. I guess you could say that we really are not encouraging large vehicles. We might be encouraging smaller vehicles, but in any . case, they can maneuver and park. Board Member Conneman - In Cornell parking lots you have big vehicles. Ms. Gilbert — Yeah, that's the case now, but that changes. That comes and goes as the gas prices goes up and down. Chairperson Wilcox - Not just big SUVs but two door cars, which have longer doors. I, too, when I read this wasn't particularly pleased with an 8.5 because the zoning ordinance set it at 180 square feet it is usually 10 foot wide, 18 feet deep or 9 feet wide, 27 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED 20 foot deep. Then I was thinking about College Circle and I believe we allowed 8.5 foot wide at College Circle. I don't think they were trying to save asphalt. I think they were trying to squeeze in more parking spaces. Mr. Smith - And that was under the old zoning ordinance where they had to go to the Zoning Board to get the variance. Ms. Gilbert — If you look at some of the AIA standards and landscape architecture standards you will see that over the last 20 years or so it has changed. It went from being the size that the Town has down to the size that we have and then I don't know if it can be argued again to make them larger, but those standards have been reduced. Board Member Talty - It's not just the size of the parking lot, though. It's the maneuverability within your 22 feet. That is the whole issue because on some of these spots you have 16 feet and 18 feet and that additional two feet is significant especially in wintertime. Ms. Gilbert — The 16 foot length accommodates an overhang where a car is parked up against a curb and the front end the car is overhanging the curb. That is where we take off the other two feet. Board Member Talty - I would guestimate again that most cars do not overhang unless they scrape: I'm not talking the SUVs now, I'm talking the Hondas, Camrys, etc., that they pull up, including my own, I will scrape the curb. There is no question about it. Now what I do is I back off that and I don't pull my car all the way up to that overhang. So I don't know if that is a...l know it is a conscientious decision on what you are doing, but in reality of it, I don't think that it... Ms. Gilbert — Well standard 6 -inch curbs, we could lower the curb height. I still think a car is able to easily get up to; we are pretty close to the curb without scrapping it if it's a normal 6 -inch curb. We used to do a curb 7 inches, but that was when we used to allow an inch for an overlay of pavement when it came time to repave the lot. Now we mill the top of the lot and we and we always keep the elevation the same so we stick with the 6,, inch curb. Board Member Talty - So even given that, the 22 feet in between both vehicles as they are parked, I am not so sure the maneuverability or the turning radius on the vehicles is as good as they used to be. I . Ms. Gilbert — It might be more comfortable to have it wider, but 22 feet is pretty standard for an aisle length coming off a parking aisle. Board Member Mitrano - If it were between maneuverability and being able to find a parking space, I would always prefer to find a parking space. I can always .manage the maneuverability. I have had to search for parking numerous times when construction ism ..l would rather find a parking space myself. 28 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Board Member Hoffmann - Well I personally feel that it is better to keep the parking lots smaller, make the parking spaces as small as one can get away with, with still having them useable and I think as you said, it might encourage purchase of smaller cars. One of the things that I have often wished for in parking lots, I don't have a big car, I have a regular sedan, is if the rows in the parking lot were segregated so that SUVs could only park in certain areas and sedans could park in other areas so that you wouldn't find yourself pinned in by big cars on either side. It is not just a question of maneuverability, but it's a question of safety if you don't see past those cars when you are backing out into the space where you have to maneuver to get out of the parking lot. You can very easily bump into a pedestrian or another car if they are not watching that you are coming out, too. I know that I always feel very nervous and its happened several times that somebody has whizzed by as I have been inching out and I just haven't seen them until they are right on me, practically. Have you ever thought of segregating the different cars that way? Ms. Gilbert — I think that might be more applicable one of those lots where you have many, many segregate, but in a small lot like this, you might parking spaces because people...and also I don't could actually pickup driving through a small lot slowly@ on a large lot, like B lot or A lot, or more cars and maybe you could end up with an awful lot of empty know how much speed somebody like this. They tend to drive more Board Member Hoffmann — Well that lot is fairly small, but the ones... Ms. Gilbert — It is something to take into consideration at some point. Board Member Hoffmann - one has more spaces and handicap spaces you migl lot, too. You might decide so many sports cars, and areas. It's just an idea. . You have the. larger one by the large animal research. That if you are anyway having sort of floating parking spaces with it do it with the type of vehicles that people park in a certain after a while that you have so many SUVs, so many sedans, so many pickups and then assign the cars to park in certain Ms. Gilbert — And this is basically just striping so if something like that were to change the philosophy... if the philosophy were to change, it would just be a matter of restriping the lot to accommodate that. Chairperson Wilcox Some of those minivans are as big as midsized SUVs and cause almost as much problems when you are backing out. Ms. Gilbert — It is the same problem we have with trucks and fire trucks and things like that. The vehicles keep getting bigger and bigger and the roads have to accommodate them, but who stops first. 29 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Chairperson Wilcox — Any more discussion with regard to the environmental review? Christine, any comments? Ms. Balestra — No. Board Member Hoffmann — I have the same comment about all three parking lots and the EAF forms. The Environmental Review Committee made comments about all of these, too, which consisted of no comment, but still the form needs to be marked on the second page that there has been Conservation Board comments for all three. Chairperson Wilcox — Would someone like to move the SEOR motion with regard to the proposed Rice Hall parking lot? Board Member Mitrano. moved the motion, seconded by Board Member Hoffmann. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -040: SEOR, Preliminary & Final Site Plan Approval, Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot, Tower Road, Tax Parcel No. 67 -1 -13.2 MOTION made by Board Member Mitrano, seconded by Board Member Hoffmann. WHEREAS. 1. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot located on Tower Road east of Rice Hall, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 67 -1 -13.2, Low iDensity Residential Zone. The proposal involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 92 spaces along with additional lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent, and. 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, and 3. The Planning Board, on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and Part ll prepared by Town Planning staff, plans titled "Rice Hall Parking Area Materials and Layout" (C -103), "Rice Hall Parking Area Grading and Drainage" (C -104), "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), "Details" (C -108 and C -109), "Rice Hall Parking Area Lighting Plan" (E -102), "Details" (E -104), all dated 01/31/2005, and prepared by Cornell University Planning, Design, and Construction, and other materials, and 49 The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval; 30 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be required. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. NAYS: None. ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 8:17 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and .Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot located on Tower Road east of Rice Hall, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 67 =1 -13.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 92 spaces along with adding new lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent Board Member Hoffmann — It is an improvement over what, there is now. Chairperson Wilcox — That's for sure. Mr. Smith — We have a similar condition to add to all the parking lots. Chairperson Wilcox — With regard to the stormwater management and inspection? That's fine. Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 8:17 p.m. and invited members of the public to address the board. With no persons wishing to be heard,. Chairperson Wilcox closed the public hearing at 8:18 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board. Chairperson Wilcox = You are right, it is an improvement. I guess the aerial shows how bad it can be or is right now. It will also increase the efficiency of the lot. Gravel lots that are not lined at all are not used efficiently. You don't get as many vehicles there as you need that and the improved landscaping will help tremendously. Questions? We all set with regard to site plan? Would someone like to move the resolution as drafted? Board Member Hoffmann moved the resolution and Chairperson Wilcox seconded the motion. 31 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Ms. Balestra — We wanted to add a condition regarding the stormwater maintenance, like we discussed on the previous project. So this one would be submission of an operation and maintenance plan for the proposed stormwater facilities including the requirement of an annual report to be submitted to. the Director of Engineering by the first of October of each year for review and approval of the Director of Engineering prior to the issuance of a Certificate Occupancy. Board Member Hoffmann — Where would that go? Mr. Smith — That is another condition. It would be 2c. We mentioned it to Laurene. Chairperson Wilcox - She was back there nodding her head. Just so we understand, the plan is to add these sorts of conditions in all resolutions that require it until such time as the Town drafts a stormwater management law or. regulations. That change is acceptable? Board Member Hoffmann — Yes. Chairperson Wilcox — And to me as well. Ms. Ritter — The only additional thing, just so you know, is it requires annual reporting, which is slightly different than what was required for some of the previous parking lots at Cornell. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 =041: Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot, Tower Road, Tax Parcel No. 674-13.2 MOTION made by Board Member Hoffmann, seconded by Chairperson Wilcox. WHEREAS. 1. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot located on Tower Road east of Rice Hall, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 67 -1 -13.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 92 spaces along with additional lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, has, on April 19, 2005, made. a negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and a. Part 11 prepared by Town Planning staff, and 32 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED 3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate, plans titled "Rice Hall Parking. Area Materials and Layout' (C -103), "Rice Hall Parking Area Grading and Drainage" (C -104), "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), "Details" (C -108 and C -109), "Rice Hall Parking Area Lighting Plan" (E -102), "Details" (E -104), all dated 01/31/2005, and prepared by Cornell University Planning, Design, and Construction, and other materials, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 1. That the, Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final Site Plan Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and 2. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed improvements to an existing parking lot for approximately 92 parking spaces with additional lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities, as shown on plans titled "Rice Hall Parking Area," including sheets C -103, C -104, C -1071 C 408, C -109, E 402, and E 404, and other application material, subject to the following conditions: a. submission of an original set of the final site plan drawings on mylar, vellum or paper, signed and sealed by the registered land surveyor, engineer, architect, or landscape architect who prepared the site plan materials, to be retained by the Town of Ithaca, prior to the issuance of a building permit, and bo submission of record of application for and approval status of all necessary permits from county, state, and/or federal agencies, and ca submission of an "Operation and Maintenance Plan" for the proposed stormwater facilities, including the requirement of an annual report to be submitted to the Director of Engineering by the first of October of each year, for review and approval of the Director of Engineering, prior to issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy. AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: 1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, pursuant to Section 270 -227 (A)(4) of the Town Code, hereby allows a reduction of the standard size of a parking space to no less than 136 square feet, as shown on the plan titled "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), finding that the reduction will not have any adverse effects on the project, on the surrounding area, or on the neighborhood.. 33 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. NAYS: None. ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. AGENDA ITEM: SEAR Determination: Cornell University Friedman Wrestling Facility Parking Lot, Campus Road Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 8:20 p.m. Ms. Gilbert Okay. This parking lot is the only one of the three that is not part of our existing parking inventory prior to becoming a gravel staging area. You can see the gravel staging area up here. This fly over, this infrareds shot was taken during the construction of the Friedman Wrestling facility and this is the gravel area that is being used and has been used for contractor staging for this project and for other projects as well that are winding down at this point. The Friedman Wrestling facility is located to the north of Campus Road and to the north of the Friedman Wrestling facility to the east of Bartel's Hall. There is an existing parking lot now. It is a visitor lot and this project would make a connection and be an extension of that lot. The lot will add 34 more parking spaces to the 89 existing spaces. These spaces will be dedicated as visitor parking and add to the visitor lot. Stormwater will still be held on site by making use of a landscaped drainage depression and that will be located right along here. Another blue light will be added to the proposed conventional lighting and besides the addition of trees that includes sycamore, maple, American hornbeam, northern red oak and spruce, we will be using a relatively new product called a green screen. That will allow us to grow vines'along the back of the Wrestling. facility to soften the fagade of a rather.. .a bland looking wall. It will help give us a vegetative, vertical element back there and the type of vine we selected .is called five -leaf aceebia, which has exceptional seasonal interest. Other points of interest on this lot are ... there will be a set a bicycle racks installed along here and a new connecting walkway up along side of the new lot and a new connection to.the walkway that runs north of the lot in the east/west direction. Board Member Hoffmann — As a visitor lot, how is this one different from the Rice Hall lot? Ms. Gilbert — The Rice Hall lot is dedicated for faculty and staff. Board Member Hoffmann — And how does a visitor work on campus? Ms. Gilbert — It is a machine here that you park and you pay for your parking space for the amount of time that you are using the space. 34 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Chairperson Wilcox — This is the lot where you park there and quickly run over to Bartel's Hall to purchase your tickets to sporting events and then you quickly run back and get out of there hoping you do it before somebody comes around and gives you a ticket. Ms. Gilbert — Also I wanted to mention before somebody brings it up, the circulation pattern will remain the same in the existing lot and the way to get into the new lot would be just one connection at the north end and the last time I was here there was some question about where the City/Town line exists and I was mistaken. I thought the City/Town line ran along the edge of Bartel's Hall. It does indeed run up through the middle right here. So there is a small piece of the connection drive that is in the City and I spoke with the City about that and they had spoken with the Town staff and corrected that by having a letter written to the City stating that the. Town would be lead agents for this project and that was all they wanted for that small piece right here. They didn't think it needed site plan review for that. Chairperson Wilcox— Do you want to follow up on that? Mr. Smith — Sure. We got a letter back from the City on the project and they don't have any concerns and it doesn't appear that they need to do any approvals as part of this. I did add a condition in the resolution in case they did need to do something and it was there. The one thing that was mentioned in here was about the lighting on the site and believe it was probably my mistake because I just went through this packet and pulled out the sheets that applied to the parking lot and I probably missed the sheet that actually showed the lights on the site. So they are there and they are the ones that she already mentioned are there. Chairperson Wilcox — Would you give Joanne a call tomorrow or if you already have... Mr. Smith — I haven't yet, but... Ms. Gilbert — Did I mention that there would be a blue light installed for this parking lot also? Chairperson Wilcox — Yes. Any questions with regard to environmental review? Same small sized parking spaces? Yes. Is this going to become the new Cornell standard, do you think? Ms. Gilbert — It's the old Cornell standard. Chairperson Wilcox — Well, maybe in the City, but not in the Town. Ms. Gilbert — Right. Chairperson Wilcox — I think this is the first time that we have seen Cornell come to this board with a smaller sized parking space. 35 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Ms. Gilbert No. I've been. a.its been for about 15 years. Chairperson Wilcox — The only one I can remember is College Circle. Mr. Smith — Previous to the old zoning ordinance it would have gone to the Zoning Board for a variance. Chairperson Wilcox — That's right. Mr. Smith — So it may not have been this board. Ms. Gilbert — That's right. Chairperson Wilcox — Would someone like to move the SEAR motion? Board Member Conneman moved the motion and Board Member Talty seconded the motion. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -042: SEOR, Preliminary & Final Site Plan Approval, Cornell University Friedman Wrestlingg Facility Parking Lot, Campus Road North of Wrestling Facility, Tax Parcel No. 67443.2 MOTION made by Board Member Conneman, seconded by Board Member Tally. WHEREAS. 16 Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Friedman Wrestling Facility Parking Lot located off Campus Road to the north of the wrestling facility, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 67-1- 13.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves a new paved lot for approximately 37 parking spaces with new lighting, landscaping, walkways, and stormwater facilities. A small portion of the project is located within the City of Ithaca. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene. Gilbert, Agent, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, and 30 The Planning Board, on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and Part 11 prepared by Town Planning staff, plans titled "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Area, Materials and Layout" (C 405), "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Area, Grading and Drainage" (C -106), "Planting and Striping Plan" (C- 107), "Details" (C408 and C -109), "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Lot PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 199 2005 APPROVED Lighting Plan" (E -103), "Details" (E -104), dated 0113112005, prepared by Cornell University Planning, Design, and Construction, and other materials, and 4. The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be required. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally.. NAYS: None. ABSTAIN. None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 8:29 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan. Approval for the proposed Cornell University Friedman Wrestling Facility Parking Lot located off Campus Road to the north of the wrestling facility, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 67 -1 -13.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves a new paved lot for approximately 37 parking spaces with new lighting, landscaping, walkways, and stormwater facilities. A small portion of the project is located within the. City of Ithaca. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 8:29 p.m. and invited members of the public to address the board. With no persons wishing to speak, Chairperson Wilcox closed the public hearing at 8:30 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board. Chairperson Wilcox - Questions with regard to site plan? .We will have a condition similar to the previous one? Mr. Smith - Yes. Chairperson Wilcox - Would someone like to move the resolution as drafted? Chairperson Wilcox moved the motion and Board Member Talty seconded it. 37 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Chairperson Wilcox — Michael? Mr. Smith — The new condition d is the same language as the Rice Hall. It says submission of an operation and maintenance plan for the proposed stormwater facilities including the requirement of an annual report to be submitted to the Director of Engineering by the first of October of each year for review and approval of the. Director. of Engineering prior to the issuance of a Certificate Occupancy. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -043: Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, Cornell University Friedman Wrestlingg Facility Parkin_g Lot, Campus Road. North of Wrestling Facility, Tax Parcel No. 67 =143.2 MOTION made by Chairperson Wilcox, seconded by Board Member Tally. WHEREAS: 1. Consideration of Preliminary and. Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Friedman Wrestling Facility Parking Lot located off Campus Road to the north of the wrestling facility, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 67-1- 13.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves a new paved lot for approximately 37 parking spaces with new lighting, landscaping, walkways, and stormwater facilities. A small portion of the project is located within the City of Ithaca. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent, and 2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, has, on April 19, 2005, made a negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and a Part 11 prepared by Town Planning staff, and 3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on April 19, 2005, has _reviewed and accepted as adequate, plans titled "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Area, Materials. and Layout" (C -105), "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Area, Grading and Drainage" (C -106), "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), "Details" (C -108 and C -109), "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Lot Lighting Plan" (E- 103), "Details" (E404), dated 0113112005, prepared by Cornell University Planning, Design, and Construction, and other materials, NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED: 1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final W PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Site Plan Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and 20 That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed construction of a new paved parking lot for approximately 37 parking spaces with new lighting, landscaping, walkways, and stormwater facilities, as shown on plans titled "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Area, Materials and Layout" (C -105), "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Area, Grading and Drainage" (C 406), "Planting and Striping Plan" (C- 107), "Details" (C408 and C409), "Friedman Wrestling Center Parking Lot Lighting Plan" (E403), "Details" (E404), dated 0113112005, prepared by Cornell University Planning, Design, and Construction, and other application material, subject to the following conditions: a. submission of an original set of the final site plan drawings on mylar, vellum or paper, signed and sealed by the registered land surveyor, engineer, architect, or landscape architect who prepared the site plan materials, to be retained by the Town of Ithaca, prior to the issuance of a building permit, and ba submission of record of application for and approval status of all necessary permits from county, state, and/or federal agencies, and cm granting of any necessary approvals by the City of Ithaca for the portion of the project located within the City, prior to the issuance. of a building permit, and ds submission of an "Operation and Maintenance Plan" for the proposed stormwater facilities, including the requirement of an annual report to be submitted to the Director of Engineering by the first of October of each year, for review and approval of the Director of Engineering, prior to issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy. AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: 10 That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, pursuant to Section 270 -227 (A)(4) of the Town Code, hereby allows a reduction of the standard size of a parking space to no less than 136 square feet, as shown on the plan titled "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), finding that the reduction will not have any adverse effects on the project, on the surrounding area, or on the neighborhood. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. NAYS: None. 39 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. AGENDA ITEM: SEAR Determination: Cornell University Large Animal Research Teaching Unit Parking Lot, Tower and Campus Roads Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 8:31 p.m. Ms. Gilbert — Okay. This is the Large Animal Research Teaching Unit Parking Lot, known as LAR -2, which is located along...on the corner of Campus Road and Tower Road across the street from the Vet Research Tower, Boise Thompson to the north and Large Animal Research Teaching Unit to the west. B -lot is located over here and that's that. This parking lot will accommodate 142 spaces dedicated to faculty and staff and has many of the same characteristics as the Rice Hall lot such as new lighting, paving, curbing, landscaping, and drainage detention areas. The drainage detention areas on this parking lot.will be located in this area here up along here and .down in between the building and the parking lot over here. This gray area here is the existing lot and this gray area is an existing gravel lot, which will become lawn. As you can see over here, there is right now a gravel drive that connects right through here. We will be ending that gravel drive so that this building will still have access to it from over here, but this whole area will become landscaped lawn, so there will be no connection between this area and this area, which is really what this facility wanted because there is a lot of traffic going in and out and passed their building and this will stop it. A new blue light will also be installed as part of this project as will a new connection to an existing sidewalk with the existing sidewalk being here and the sidewalk connection being here. Most of the people parking in this lot generally flow in the northeasterly direction. Further considerations were given to softening the views along Campus Road and Tower Road by creating a landscape berm, which will be a continuation of an already existing berm along Tower Road. Right now there is a berm that runs along Tower Road right here that sort of screens the parking, the view of the parking lot as you are driving down Tower Road. We will be skipping that road and continuing that berm to about here where this grouping of trees ends and then slowly bringing the berm down to the existing grade. This will help soften the view of this parking lot coming from either this direction or that direction.. Trees included in the landscape plan are kitsora, ginkgo, tulip tree, hop hornbeam and northern red oak. We view this project as a definite improvement from the existing gravel lot. Chairperson Wilcox — Stormwater drainage? Ms. Gilbert — Stormwater detention areas? Chairperson Wilcox — Yes. ,o PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Ms. Gilbert — Yes. I mentioned that they were located in here and then over here to this area. Chairperson Wilcox — Questions with regard to the environmental review? Board Member Hoffmann There was something puzzling in part II of this long environmental form. That is on page 19. It's marked no, but yet there are two dots, actually three dots in the small column and I was just wondering what happened there. Ms. Balestra - I think they are stray dots, yes. Board Member Hoffmann — Yes. They should be taken out. Board Member Talty — How high is the berm? Ms. Gilbert — I would guestimate that the existing berm along here is about five feet and this berm will be a.smaller berm because we want to sort of gradually taper it off. So it will be a four foot berm and then gradually taper off down. Board Member Talty — Where would it be say zero? Ms. Gilbert — Then the trees on top. Board Member Talty - So where would it decline? It would gradually decline to zero at the end of that parking lot? Ms. Gilbert — It would be at its highest point right here in this corner and then slowly go down to meet the grade right about here and then continue with this grade along here. Chairperson Wilcox — Where is the fill going to come from for that berm? Ms. Gilbert — That is part of the contractor's.. Ao supply that fill. Board Member Hoffmann — One of the comments that we got from staff is that right now there are big trailers on that parking lot, but there is no striping indicating that they would be able to park on this new lot. Does that mean there aren't going to be any trailers? Ms. Gilbert — That's right. These trailers are contractor trailers and they will be removed by the contractor. Board Member Hoffmann —There was something in the text about large animal trailers. Are there any trailers with large animals there, too? 41 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Ms. Gilbert — No. Not at this time. There are no trailers for a large animal. When people brought horses and large animals that were ill to the Vet School, they used to park them over in B lot and they no longer park them there. They have been bringing them here as needed and then for as long as they need to and transport the animal back and forth. The Transportation Department is working with the Vet School right now to determine a more appropriate location and to work that out with the Vet School, but they won't be in this parking lot. Chairperson Wilcox — Questions with regard to environmental review? Board Member Talty moved the motion and Board Member Mitrano seconded. it. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -044: SEOR, Preliminary & Final Site Plan Approval, Cornell University LARTU Parking Lot. Corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Tax Parcel No. 67 -14.2 MOTION made by Board Member Talty, seconded by Board Member Mitrano. WHEREAS. 1. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Large Animal Research Teaching Unit (LARTU) Parking Lot located on the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 63- 1 -2.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The project involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 140 spaces, and adding new lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent, and 2. This is a Type 1 Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning. Board has indicated its intent to act as Lead Agency in a coordinated environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, and 30 The Planning Board, on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Full Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and Part ll prepared by Town Planning staff, plans titled "LARTU Parking Area Materials and Layout" (C -101), "LARTU Parking Area Grading and Drainage" (C- 102), "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), "Details" (C -108 and C 409), "LARTU Parking Area Lighting Plan and Details" (E401), all dated 0113112005, and prepared by Cornell University Planning, Design, and Construction, and other materials, and 4. The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval; NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. 42 PLANNING .BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, having received no objections from other Involved Agencies, hereby establishes itself as Lead Agency to coordinate the environmental review of the above - described actions, AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED. That the .Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be required.. A vote on the motion resulted as follows: AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Talty. NAYS: None. ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 8:39 p.m. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Large Animal Research Teaching Unit (LARTU) Parking Lot located on the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 63 =1 -2.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The project involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 140 spaces along with adding new lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent. Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 8:39 p.m. and invited members of the public to address the board: With no persons wishing to be heard, Chairperson Wilcox closed the public hearing at 8:40 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board. Board Member Hoffmann — planting and striping plans, that you have pointed out. which ones are they then? I have one question. On our drawings, which cover the I don't see the plants that you have indicated on that berm On your plan, it looks like maybe they are evergreens and Ms. Gilbert — Yes. They are the eastern white pine, five eastern white pine on the planting plan. Board Member Hoffmann You don't have that on this one. You have five different species on this plan. Ms. Gilbert I know what happened. When this went out to bid, right before this went out to bid I realized or we realized in our office that. we missed putting the trees here 43 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED that we intended to put there so they don't show up on your plans, but they are on the contractor's plan, which I will be providing you with an updated version. Chairperson Wilcox — Someone will be working on an addition. We will add a condition to provide a revised... Ms. Balestra — We could add that to item a. Chairperson Wilcox — So we.will need a revised sheet C -107 to reflect the... Board Member Hoffmann — Has something similar happened with the other parking lots, too, or is it just this one? Ms. Gilbert — No. This was just a last minute before it went out the door to go to bid. Board Member Hoffmann — Now was missing, but in that area, it is side of Judd Falls Road there is a evergreens, which look like they I find I don't like. I wonder if these sit on top of a berm. the reason I asked about it wasn't really because it off Judd Falls Road, I guess, there is on the eastern very high slope and on the top of it are planted some lave died, but they are sort of up on a ridge, which I are going to be very tall evergreens that are going to Brief discussion regarding the trees on the ridge. Board Member Hoffmann — What I don't like are trees that are planted.on the very top of a ridge and in sort of a uniform row. That is sort of a personal thing with me only, but 1 like to see part of the ridge and trees on the slope, but not sort of right up there. It just makes the slope seem so much higher. Ms. Gilbert — I agree. I truly do. The intention here is to make this berm appear more natural than unnatural that is why it is not very high. The trees that will be planted won't just be planted on the top. They'll be planted along side the slope on the edge. Chairperson Wilcox — Any other questions? Would someone like to move the motion as drafted? Board Member Conneman moved the motion and Board Member Mitrano seconded it. Chairperson Wilcox — Chris? Ms. Balestra — I wanted to add a "c" and a "d ". The "c" would be submission of a revised sheet C -107 that accurately reflects the landscaping for the LAR -2 project presented to and approved by the Planning Board at the April 19th meeting. And then the "d" would be regarding the stormwater submission of an operation and maintenance plan for the proposed stormwater facilities including the requirement of an annual report to be submitted to the Director of Engineering by the first of October of each.year for I, PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED review and approval of the Director of Engineering prior to the issuance of a Certificate Occupancy. PB RESOLUTION NO. 2005 -045: Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, Comell University LARTU Parking Lot, Corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Tax Parcel No. 67 =1 -2.2 MOTION made by Board Member Conneman, seconded by Board Member Mitrano. WHEREAS. 16 Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Large Animal Research Teaching Unit (LARTU) Parking Lot located on the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 634-2.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The project. involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 140 spaces, and adding new lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent, and 2. This is a Type I Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval has, on April 19, 2005, made a negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as. adequate a Full Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and a Part II prepared by Town Planning staff, and 3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on April 19, 2005, has reviewed and accepted as adequate, plans titled "LARTU Parking Area Materials and Layout" (C -101), "LARTU Parking Area Grading and Drainage" (C -102), "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), "Details" (C -108 and C -109), "LARTU Parking Area Lighting Plan and Details" (E-101), all dated 01/31/2005, and prepared by Cornell University Planning, Design, and Construction, .and other materials. NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED. 1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final Site Plan Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that such waiver will result'in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and 2. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the. proposed improvements to an existing parking lot for approximately 140 parking spaces with additional lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities, as shown on plans titled "LARTU Parking Area," including 45 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED sheets C -101, C -102, C -107, C 408, C 409, and E401, and other application material, subject to the following conditions: a. submission of an original set of the final site plan drawings on mylar, vellum or paper, signed and sealed by the registered land surveyor, engineer; architect, or landscape architect who prepared the site plan . materials, to be retained by the Town of Ithaca, prior to the issuance of a building permit, and ba submission of record of application. for and approval status of all necessary permits from county, state, and/or federal agencies, and co submission of a revised sheet C407 that accurately reflects the landscaping for the LARTU project presented to and approved by the Planning Board at the April 19, 2005 meeting, and d. submission of an "Operation and Maintenance Plan" for the proposed stormwater facilities, including the requirement of an annual report to be submitted to the Director of Engineering by the first October of each year, for review and approval of the Director of Engineering, prior to issuance of a Certificate of Occupancy. AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED: 1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, pursuant to Section 270 -227 (A)(4) of the Town Code, hereby allows a reduction of the standard size of a parking space to no less than 136 square feet, as shown on the plan titled "Planting and Striping Plan" (C -107), finding that the reduction will not have any adverse effects on the project, on the surrounding area, or on the neighborhood. A vote on the motion resulted as follows. AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Tally. NAYS None. ABSTAIN: None. The motion was declared to be carried unanimously. AGENDA ITEM: Consideration of a Sketch Plan review for the proposed Friends Meetinghouse located off the north end of Penny Lane, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 58 -1- 14.22, Conservation and Medium Density. Residential Zones. The proposal includes the construction of a +/ 7,000 square foot building to be used primarily as a place of worship and gathering. The plan also includes approximately 45 parking spaces, new landscaping and stormwater facilities, and an access road to Penny Lane. Ithaca Monthly Meeting of the Religious Society of Friends, Owner /Applicant; Ernie Bayles, Agent. EN PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 8:50 p.m. Ernie Bayles, Architect We have members from the Friends Design Committee, who will be here to answer questions as well and they will introduce themselves as they come up. The Ithaca Religious Society of Friends is a religious organization of approximately 100 members. They have been in existence for many, many years. They currently have a meetinghouse, which is out on Perry City Road and its quite old, quite quaint and quite wonderful for their uses, but it is not heated and it lacks any kind of reasonable area for parking. The Friends have been looking for many years for a new meetinghouse. They have looked at existing buildings. They have looked at various properties and about four years ago they purchased this piece of land on Route 79 /Slaterville Road with the idea that they would begin planning to build a meetinghouse at this location. They contacted me a couple of years ago and we have been working through programming and planning for the building and now we are starting to address site planning. When we approached this project we had certain goals for the site. The goals of the site plan were to provide some spatial separation for the meetinghouse from neighbors and from the noise of Route 79 because it is a place of worship, maximize solar access and other opportunities for green design on the site. Site the building so that the utility of the outdoor spaces could be maximized for first day activities. First day is the equivalent of Sunday school, for ceremonial activities and other things that may go on outside the building as well as inside. We are also looking to minimize the site infrastructure costs and building costs by minimizing site disturbance. That being out goals, we came up with the following proposal. We looked at. many different alternatives and basically we have come up with one that will require a variance as well as an approval for special permit, which is what this use would normally require under the. Town zoning laws. That variance is the required because of the fact the building site, which is outlined here in kind of the light purple is actually bisected by one of the zoning boundaries so that this side is medium density residential and this side is in the conservation district. The use is allowed in the conservation district, but the setback requirements are different in the conservation district. So, therefore, since there is a 200 -rear yard setback requirement the actual line that we would normally be permitted to build within is here and we are talking about building our building completely outside of that and in the setback of the conservation district. That is an important point. The other important point is that we are proposing to access this property from Penny Lane. We do have other site access. We have two areas of road frontage on Route 79. This one is nearly impossible. It is already at a close to 14% slope, very narrow, not much possibility of really making that workable so that you come out on the site without an enormous amount of fill and even then you would have an enormous amount of development costs. The other location is up here, which is not impossible, still difficult. This slope here is at 10% or a little bit greater and CYI PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED there is no room.to kind of wiggle much so if we are trying to maintain an entrance drive at 10% with a reasonable access onto Route 79 for safety, we find that we end up into some fairly serious grading problems down here as well. So when it became apparent that we actually had the possibility of an access to a Town road, this became a very compelling connection for us. It minimizes our construction costs, maximizes the safety of entering and existing onto Route 79 and allowed us to put our building on the site where it really fit our, goals for the building. The basic site plan as developed consists of a drive, which would be gravel initially, is what we hope. It would be setup and sized to accommodate fire vehicle access. Coming back into parking, parking for approximately 45 cars and to a building of approximately 7,000 square feet. The building has not been designed. It may be one -story. It may be two -story. At this point with this sighting we would be looking probably at a one -story building, slab on grade construction for various reasons. This particular building site allows us a good solar orientation directly to the south. Allows us free and easy access to a very lovely part of the site. It is very flat, amenable to children's games, big picnics, summer camp activities and other things that may go on at this building. Other developments out here we felt didn't give us any of that. We would be forced to orient the building pretty much along the contour, which was either going to be to the southwest or even worst to the west. It was going to involve some very significant amounts of cut and fill on the site in order to develop it with the parking lots that we were looking for. We looked at this development up here. We looked at several different variations on developments further down. We have actually had a class at Cornell who used this as a semester project and we had 20 different proposals for this, none of which were particularly beautiful or wonderful. So that is what we have essentially. Our general feelings are that the conservation zone, we appreciate what the conservation zone represents, but we feel that if you take the goals of the conservation zone and the purpose as stipulated in the Town's zoning regulations, its really about preservation of natural values and the minimizing environmental degradation to the site and we feel that given this site this area on this site represents the best place for development to achieve those goals. Are there any questions? Board Member Mitrano — I'm a little confused about your last comment with respect to the concerns that the Town members have. Their comment says that they have serious initial reservations about the plan. I think that that means that they have reservations about this being an initial plan, not that they have lost their reservations. Do you still have reservations about the plan? Ms. Ritter — This was written by the Environmental Review Committee. Board Member Mitrano — Right. I'm sorry. Let me just quote this one sentence, "the project seems to present the possibility of serious erosion impact on the stream ". I'm picking up from some of the things that I am reading here that there is a concern about no] PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED the encroachment on that so if you could be a little more specific about how you believe the site will actually contribute to that conservation that might be helpful for us to understand. Mr. Bayles — Basically it is this. All of this land on the entire side of Slaterville Road all contributes runoff to the conservation zone and the Six Mile Creek watershed. . A disturbance on the site here is hydrologically as close to that stream as development here. Everything kind of goes towards a swale that heads down and then connects into the stream down here or this is steeper on this side and comes down and connects to a stream down here. So the general sense is that the spatial clearance between environmentally sensitive slopes is the same whether we are developing here or here. When you kind of narrow down your focus and you start to say, well, or given two options that are essentially the same distance from an environmentally sensitive area, which one can be developed with the least amount of impact and we say, obviously, the flatter area. This zone here has an average slope on it of about 3 %, one foot in 30. This slope here there is some areas down here that are 8 %, but most of this is 10% slope. That is one foot in 10. So when you are trying to take a building, which is nominally 50 feet wide, you start to get a fair amount of drop over that building and that has to be accommodated either by cuts or fills from the land and then the concomitant corrections of those cuts with grading out and filling. So you end up disturbing a much larger area of land than you do when you do things on a flat site. Board Member Mitrano — I see the comparison between the alternative and the proposed site. Could you make any comment with respect to just the proposed site? How and what way you anticipate reacting to the concerns about the environmental protected area as well as the creek? Mr. Bayles — Well, I think that we would make every effort to control the stormwater runoff and erosion that we would make on any development on this site and that would be a normal requirement here. I think fundamentally we just have a situation where don't know how to quantify the amount of dirt that gets moved in, this plan versus another plan, but its significant. There are economic consequences. I don't know where exactly you are trying to get to. Board Member Mitrano — I'm only trying to focus on the proposed site and the concerns about the protected area. So for the moment I am not concerned about the alternate and the greater attributes of the proposed plan by comparison to the alternate plan. I am just concerned about how you plan to address the concerns that 1 am sure are shared by other people. Board Member Conneman — Let me state it a different way. The parking lot looks like it is awfully close to that stream. That would be one of my concerns. If the parking lot were elsewhere, I might follow your argument, but... Mr. Bayles — The stream being this that runs down through here. Is that the stream we are talking about? . • PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 199 2005 APPROVED Board Member Conneman — It is indicated on the map that I have. Mr. Bayles = Six Mile Creek is way down here. It's way off the map. There is an intermittent stream that comes down pretty much along this property line and then you can kind of see this very light line that goes down through here and ties into another little stream that runs down behind Commonland, picks up drainage from here and.goes on down. I don't see that as being particularly close. Again, the character of the land changes dramatically right along this edge. It goes from being almost kind of croquet court kind of flat to all of a sudden dropping off at an angle.. .(not audible). So its really an effort. here to really set this in and go along that little spine that allows us to access this larger flatter.area of the land. Chairperson Wilcox — Is there another watercourse on the northern side of the propose site? Mr. Bayles — There is a swale here. It starts to be an eroded, something that might be characterized as stream like here, but again it is intermittent. Out in the field here it is just seasonally wet area. Chairperson Wilcox — I assume that that runs... Mr. Bayles — Then that runs off and down and then ties back into Six Mile Creek. This is probably a likely area for us to implement our stormwater management facility or whatever we get into there. Board Member Conneman — These two things look the same to me in terms of whatever they are. Board Member Hoffmann — On the next page you can see the edge. Mr. Bayles = I'm sorry l don't have a better map of where all those watercourses are. Chairperson Wilcox — We actually have a couple of maps in front of us that will provide a little bit of assistance here. Mr. Bayles — Basically the one blue line that is indicated that Mr. Wilcox was asking about is actually this. It is drawn as this. This is really not much of a watercourse. I believe. all of the development along Slaterville Road has altered where all of that water channels and this apparently carried more water at one time than it does now. Board Member Mitrano - There still seem to be more questions. Maybe staff could help me out with conservation issues and variances and all of that. The other question that I would have is the traffic burden that your proposal would impose on the folks living on Penny Lane and up around there. I assume that you just weigh that against the detrimental aspects of going out the other way that you described in your overview. 50 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Mr. Bayles — Yeah. I think clearly there are pluses and minuses from everybody's standpoint.. Basically for us to access the site this is a much more reasonable grade. It involves very little cut and fill and additional construction costs and it makes for a very reasonable and gentle access to the site. It is going to be easy to maintain. Easy to plow in the winter, all those things. It's not absolutely necessary that we come into the site from this direction. We certainly are aware of the fact that this is going to have some negative impacts on the people that live down here particularly on Sunday morning when you have 40 cars piling in here for a couple of hours and then leaving. During the week it is contemplated that this building will be used, That is part of their program. They want to see the building used throughout the week and want... probably the most significant use that has been proposed has been as a daycare facility for somewhere in the order magnitude of 30 children. So if you had 30 cars coming every morning, 30 cars leaving in the evening that is another significant amount of traffic. The Department of Transportation has no objections to a curb cut here. We have been in contact with them and they say fine. At the same time that creates a situation out there as well. So we .are really here to get some direction from you guys to tell us what you think is the best. In terms of the length of the road you can see that constructing this versus that is not a huge difference, but I would wager that this road is twice as expensive as that road. Board Member Hoffmann In looking at the drawing, I'm looking at Sheet number 2 because its bigger and easier to measure, it looks like the building as you have it now might be a one -story building because it measures out to about 120 by 55 or 60 feet. So that comes to approximately 7,000 square feet. If you were to build it.as a two -story building you would have a smaller footprint and you might have other benefits. I understand building it as a one -story building with the slab on the ground might be less expensive, but you would have other savings over the long run with a two -story building like heating costs and so on. One of the things that I was looking at was if you were to take advantage of the slope, which is north of the parking lot; there is a wooded area there. If you were to put the building as close to that indicated parking lot as possible, but in the slope you could have a two -story building with windows facing south and use the solar effect and all that and a smaller footprint and even if you were to build on the slope, if you were to do it carefully and protect the area around there, it might not have such a big impact on the environment. Mr. Bayles — We actually have looked at that. I can show you that example. I think it has it here. I will just tell you that basically we have looked at two -story solutions in not a lot of detail, but basically the problem is that programmatically a lot of these relationships of meeting room to community space to kitchen to somebody said the facilities really require those facility be on the same floor. So looking at two -story solutions hasn't been that good. What we have been trying to do is also create solar access to a lot of our spaces and when we were looking at that other solution we were just getting.. well now we have views towards the north and towards the road and they were not considered to be as nice. There are other issues with regards to that. 51 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Just to give you an idea of where we have been with this project, this was a proposal that was looking at keeping all of the development within the setbacks required putting the building as you said next to the slope here looking at the possibility of using some of the natural drop to get that in. But what we found with this in the objection from the Friends was that now the building is kind of...you are now surrounding two sides of the building with all of this parking and drop -off and fire truck turnaround stuff and it really limits your connection to the out of doors. It is, it is not written off yet. It's just not the optimal solution for us. Board Member Hoffmann —The parking lots don't which doesn't necessarily look so nice. There are more expensive, but in the long run it might work concrete tiles set on their side and you fill the hol there and you have a surface you can park on, but essentially what looks like a lawn. have to be either paved or gravel, other solutions. They are probably like you can have what looks like as with soil and you plant grass in you can mow over it and you have Mr. Bayles — I would love to have somebody point me to see an example of a working grass paver parking lot in this climate. I used to work up to Cornell and we had various experiments with these materials. I think it is obviously a wonderful idea and it is certainly in keeping with what the friends, what their goals are in terms of a building an environmentally conscience structure here and trying to minimize their impacts on the land. I don't know that there is a real viable solution. Those sorts of things tend to work in very lightly used parking areas. It might be a possibility of developing a development like this where we had kind of this other parking lot that maybe wasn't going to be necessarily used heavily initially. Maybe that sort of development here would work, but in a parking lot that needs to be plowed in the winter and generally maintained, I don't know of a really viable solution at any cost. Mr. Walker — Generally that type of solution, the only time I have seen anywhere in the northeast is when you have a need for a potential overflow parking that will only be used in the summer season because if you run a snowplow over it I can guarantee you it won't last a season. It will be ripping those bricks right out and we will have a big mess. I did see a nice facility where it was used in a university setting for emergency access. It happened to be in Los Angeles, though. Board Member Hoffmann —Where I saw it where it worked beautifully was in another country. It was at an art museum outside Glascow in Scotland. I imagine that they get snow, too, and have to plow. It was great there and they get probably the same amount of traffic that you would get in a place like this. .Board Member Mitrano - Susan, you wrote a very judicious memo to us. Would you be willing to speak to the two issues that you pointed out here that we have already asked about? I am curious about your deeper impressions. Ms. Ritter —Which ones? 52 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Board Member Mitrano — Encroachment on the conservation zone as well as the access. Ms. Ritter — I guess I don't have much more to say other than what is in the memo. Obviously we have not done a full assessment of the. a.(not audible)... and as far as the environmental impacts, I mean we talked about the creek, but when I look at the. large scale drawing and I measured where I understand the creek, the larger creek the one that is on the border between Commonland and this property, it was at least 100 feet away. The other one that they talked about a little bit is a pretty minor drainage. I guess I haven't gone out to see it after a rainy day, but that is pretty minor drainage. It shows up on the county gis database, but all kinds of small tributaries show up on that. That one is also at least, from my measurements, it was at least 50 feet or more away from what they are proposing. So there is one thing to look at, the creek. If you are going to be concerned about a natural area. You also look at the slopes and when you look at this piece of property you look and see it made sense where they are sighting it. If you are concerned about erosion and long-term affects from erosion, the location is in the conservation zone that raises red flags, of course, when you first see it, but as you see why they placed the building there it is an understanding of why on this 8 acre parcel this site made sense. In terms of just some vegetation just from knowing...its been a while since I've been on the site and looking at aerial photographs, but it's a little bit more sparser vegetation than we have seen further south of this property. There will be obsolete trees and vegetation will be needed to be taken out. Mr. Bayles — Actually there is virtually nothing bigger than ... there maybe some brush that is 8, 10 feet tall, but there are no trees. It's all old- field. Ms. Ritter — I mentioned in the memo, and it was just for information's sake, that in the late 1990s the more densely vegetated, the more steeply sloped piece of this parcel was sold to the city and incorporated into the City's natural area. I don't know if they looked at the rest of the parcel, they choose not to. I don't know any more than that, but I thought that was an interesting understanding that that parcel, the flatter area was perhaps left with thinking that something might be developed on that parcel in time. So those are just sort of the initial thinking in terms of thinking about the environmental impacts without, giving a...we need more information. Certainly stormwater would need to be addressed. Certainly erosion control is going to be important during construction, but I think with the information that I have that was.. about the conclusions that I can come to at this time. Board Member Mitrano But your tone is different than the tone of the Environmental Review Committee. Ms. Ritter — They don't have the large -scale maps that we do and they are not able to go out...l think that they were out at the site. I think they saw the large stream. I think they were concerned that that was going to be closer to what was being proposed to 53 PLANNING, BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED being developed than what is actually on the site and you measure it with a scale and have the large -scale drawings. Board Member Mitrano — And on the access issue, do you have anything? Ms. Ritter - That is a toughie. I think, you know, Penny Lane is a public road so it is certainly understandable why they would want to use that. It is certainly understandable because of the two accesses. We are in the midst of developing a transportation plan for the Town and some important things are connectivity, using existing roadways, but also another important goal of the plan is livability and making sure that we do not negatively impact neighborhoods. So I would say as we look at this proposal we want to do some analysis and we would want to get some feel on precisely how much traffic would be moving on Penny Lane. How much impact would it have on the neighbors? So that would be something that we would want to study a little more. I think at this time they want to get some feedback on is this just out of the question with the Planning Board. Should they spend more money and do those kinds of analyses and look at that or not. Those are the two most probably controversial aspects of this project. Board .Member Mitrano — Thank you. Chairperson Wilcox — Anybody else at this point? Board Member Conneman — Your objection to that plan is that you wouldn't have as quiet a facility because you have parking closer to it? Mr. Bayles — Basically the notion was that the building was out here and three -sides open to views of the forest and beyond was just a nicer development than that. I think that was essentially what the thought was. There was also a little bit about concerned proximity to the residential areas over here. We certainly have members of the committee who felt very strongly that the further we were away from these residences the better, just because of good neighbor policy. That is a big reason why we kind of avoided this as well, just because of the proximity of two very different types of uses. We just felt better served in the conservation zone. Dick Craypo, 112 Mount Pleasant Road If I just might add two additional points that our meeting considered. One was access of the children in meeting at times when they would want to go outside and play and something like that. Here in this picture we would have them probably having to cross a parking lot, which is not particularly safe. A good area for children is down in this flat area here. Whereas in this picture, that is immediate accessible for the kids leaving the meeting. And the second thing was as we sit in our Quaker meeting, which is typically a silent meeting, its very nice to be looking out the windows at the treeline wilderness as opposed to looking at a parking lot and those are maybe two things that are needed an emphasized. 54 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Board Member Hoffmann — Well, maybe the parking could be reconfigured a little bit. In that building you would have a view to the woods in the back of the building if it were built into the wooded hillside and you have a view into the woods west and if you were to be able to pull the parking lot away a little bit more from the building in some way with just having a small path leading up to the doors you would have access or maybe you could even have access on, not on that longer wall facing south, but on one of the shorter walls. You could maybe achieve three sides of the building having a view over the woods. Mr. Bayles — One of our big problems is dealing with fire truck turn around and car turn around. I mean basically with a dead -end parking lot like this you really need to have a way for somebody who is coming in to sort of swing around without backing if they find the parking lot is full because the natural feel is going to be to come in to get to the closest parking spot that you can. So you are going to go in, feel your way to the back and then you are going to have to come back out and then, choose your parking spot. So this sort of solution where you come back, you have to have some sort of a turning . radius in here that we just simply don't have that when we are inside of the conservation zone. I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying its more difficult and the other proposal, our basic feeling is that this proposal is no more...l'm sorry, this proposal impinges no more on the goals of the conservation zone than that proposal or any other proposal that we have come up with and it satisfied our needs to the best extent. Board Member Hoffmann — My concern with the proposal that you brought to us is that there is not the 200 foot setback that is required in the conservation zone and its there for a reason. Mr. Bayles — But its just the difference between developing this here where all of a sudden I am seeing six contour lines going across that building and this one here where I see three is significant in terms of the environmental impact of that construction from that site and I would simply, say that the. goals are to protect the stream and the surrounding countryside from the negative impacts of construction. This does it better and that's... Board Member Hoffmann — And you don't feel that those impacts could be mitigated during construction? Mr. Bayles — Oh, absolutely, but the type of measures that we would use to mitigate construction activities on either site are nearly identical. The use of silt fence, the use of timing or construction activities to coincide with weather cycles are going to be no different and the net result is that the steeper slope, the one that is going to involve more cutting down of existing vegetation and what else is going to result in a greater environmental impact. Yes, it is a potential to do it, but reality is that it won't be.. there will. always be a qualitative difference in how well those two projects affect things down the stream. 55 Board Member Hoffmann But you are only talking the actual construction. It is conceivable that there the parking and the building structure closer to the allowed. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED about the environmental impact of is environmental impact of building conservation area boundary than Mr. Bayles — Then that would have to be weighed against those other impacts. I think that. Board Member Hoffmann -What I'm saying is that if you weigh that, into the decision of what is the greater environmental impact, it might look different, but we have to look at that. Mr. Bayles Well, from our standpoint, this still has less impact on the scenic character of the land. It has less impact on maintaining rural values, rules character of the land. There are a number of issues that we think we would still say that if there were some way to quantify all of these things this would be a better solution and further more its really the solution that works best for us programmatically. Board Member Hoffmann — And we have to look at it from your point of view, but we also have to look at it from other points of view. Mr. Bayles — I understand. Chairperson Wilcox — If I may, it is 9:30 p.m. and I would love to give these good, patience, polite people a chance to speak as well. Everyone has been very polite and patient both members of the Quakers and the neighbors as well. I would like to hear from them and give them a brief opportunity... this is not a public hearing, but nonetheless we would like to give anybody a chance to speak. Keep it brief, if you would. We don't go past 10:00 p.m. Ellen Bonn, 110 Penny Lane That part of Penny Lane was developed as Commonland Crescent. We are not part of the condominiums. There is a stretch of houses from 100 to 117 that are townhouses individually owned. 1 am speaking for a small ad -hoc group that met over the weekend from that part of Penny Lane and our concerns about this have been addressed tonight...the beginnings of it, the access and the parking and building in the conservation zone. I should preface this by saying we want to be good neighbors to the Friends Meeting and we welcome this into this neighborhood. There are issues that we think they should be made aware of before they proceed too much farther. The things that concern us living on Penny Lane that are going to affect them and we would like to meet with a small representative group of the Friends and some people from Penny Lane. Jim Madden, 106 Penny Lane My house is closest to the access road, I think. My primary concern coming tonight involves the traffic issue. I think that the volume of traffic would dramatically change the 56 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED character of our neighborhood. A concern for the safety of children was expressed tonight. Frequently children are walking and playing in our streets. Cars coming in and out or cars at a heavier volume of traffic would endanger those children as well and just the noise and disturbance would dramatically affect the quality of the neighborhood. That's my primary concern. My secondary concern, which is much easier to deal with, would be the impact of lighting; if the parking lots have to be lit I would like to see some sort of low impact lighting used for the property. Board Member Talty — I have a question for you. Are there sidewalks in that neighborhood? Mr. Madden — There are not. It really is a lane. It is a public street, but.. that's it. Tom Clausen, 1421 Slaterville Road I'm just curious for the access into the meetinghouse, would it be a two -way road or would be it a single lane? Currently the emergency access road that comes down... Mr. Bayles and Mr. Clausen discuss the question away from the microphone. Mr. Bayles - The road would be built to the minimum size required. Chairperson Wilcox — The proposed driveway goes across a parcel of land which I guess there are some legal issues regarding it right now only because it should have been dedicated to the Town and it wasn't dedicated to the Town, therefore, it is still owned by a legal entity or corporation, which may or may not exist right now. Ms. Ritter — I think that is true. Mr. Bayles — (not audible) Ms. Ritter — I might just add that that was intended to be dedicated to the Town because there was a notion that perhaps future housing developments on that lot would perhaps use Penny Lane. That is my understanding, but I was not there for Commonland development. Chairperson Wilcox — Tom, the emergency access road is near your house, right? That is chained, right? Mr. Clausen — Yes. There is a chain across the base of it to avoid traffic going back and forth. Chairperson Wilcox that runs north that i aside was probably running north. — That is the purpose of the emergency road, but that piece of land s proposed for the access must have been...the reason to set it good planning, to leave open the option of future development 57 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Mr. Walker - My understanding of this and being involved a little longer than Susan has, but it was pretty much in place was that this could be, the temporary access was supposed to be a temporary emergency access. The thought was that some time in the not too distant future Penny Lane would be extended across the property that the Friends own now and actually come back out onto Slaterville Road as through road at some time in the future. The medium density residential would be double loaded on that road and then it would eliminate the very long cul -de -sac that exists at Penny. Lane. right now. In fact, the previous owner had talked about doing something like that at some point. Chairperson Wilcox — Anything else, Tom? Mr. Clausen — No. Thank you. Paul Barco, 89 Penny Lane am the cluster representative for Commonland community for the area...for . the residences that are on that side of Penny Lane (Penny Lane to the north). I guess I don't add much else to add. We similarly have concerns about the nature of the community; the affect of the traffic on what is a great deal of pedestrian traffic that goes . on up and down on that street. What I would like to add to that specifically is a concern that I have had for a long time about the lack of a posted speed limit on that street. brought this up to.the Highway Department last year and my understanding is the speed limit on Penny Lane currently since it is not posted is 55 mph. We would obviously would not like that posted. However, if there were to be this road extension sent through there I would certainly hope that the Town would see it's way to putting an appropriate speed limit. I would suggest something in the order of 20 or 25 mph the most. We have issues currently with people driving too fast on that street. as it is and that is just with residents. Mr. Walker — Has Commonland ever requested an area speed limit in that area? Mr. Barco — I spoke to Fred Noteboom about it and he indicated to me in fact that what we would have to do is have to request it first from the Town and then from the State. Mr. Walker — So what I would recommend no matter what that the Commonland group petition the Town to make an area wide speed limit with in the whole Commonland that it would be a good effort and then we would proceed and push that through. .I don't think the State would deny that because it is strictly a residential area. Chairperson Wilcox — Hard to believe, but the State controls it. The Town can only request that the State... Mr. Walker — I don't see where they would not grant this one. We have just done it in Sapponi Meadows along Seven Mile Drive. PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Mr. Clausen — And what is the guideline as far as the appropriate speed limit for a neighborhood of that kind? Mr. Walker — It would probably be 30 =35 because it is a dead -end road. Chairperson Wilcox — Anyone else? Sir? Thomas Bonn, 110 Penny Lane I am obviously a resident of .Penny Lane as well. I have been a member of the Dryden Town Planning Board before moving to Penny Lane and today for me underscored the need for careful planning. Obviously I have an inherit interest, but also I wear another hat as a Red. Cross disaster volunteer and I appreciate the work you are doing because today I spent all day looking at bad planning in the Town of Cortland in a housing built in a floodplain that housing should not be in. Those of you familiar with the area would know what the situation around. Yamen Park was. Obviously it had to go through something similar to this process I'm sure. That not being neither here nor there, I believe that the common concern of the neighbors about this, if we were to perhaps have one thing that we were agreed upon at ad -hoc meeting that a small portion of Penny Lane attended was that we would strongly prefer an entrance off of Route 79. One point in addition to what was raised was the fact for emergency vehicles, assuming that they are coming from the City of Ithaca, which I believe they all do, it would be a shorter access from 79. There is indeed next to the Clausen's house an access road, but I'm not sure how many are aware of that road. It is chained. It is locked. The ambulance access would be to come around to the top of Penny Lane and swing through, which would add for a fire truck would add several minutes of the additional time before reaching the site...the Quaker site. Just to turn my hat back to the Red Cross, however, one of the things that I had hoped to do with this when. this building does come about and I'm sure it will and we hope it will because I think we will be good neighbors is that we can use it as a shelter building for future disasters because in this part of the County there is a need for a good sheltering building. Thank you very much. Chairperson Wilcox - Having heard, what feedback would each of us like to provide that we haven't already given? Board Member Conneman - It seems to me that the neighbors are willing to meet and so is Ernie. They ought to meet and talk about the issues that we have raised tonight and the issue that everyone has raised tonight. Board Member Mitrano Those are always the happiest moments as we look on to developments in the community. Board Member Conneman I mean if you can agree on something or at least think how you could mitigate some of the issues it would be helpful. Board Member Mitrano — I would add to that that after listening to commentary and thoughts that I am now less concerned about the encroachment on the conservation 59 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED area than I was before the session, which isn't to say that I have no concerns about them now, but it seems doable in a way that was more of a question. before the discussion. But, I sure am hearing that you may want to give serious consideration to that alternate access, notwithstanding what I know would be probably a double costs for that aspect of your plan. Board Member Talty I would like to concur with Tracy with. regards to the conservation questions. This member, I still have reservations with regards to entering from Penny Lane. I would also like to see alternative planning with regards to entering and existing from 79. Mr. Jones — I just should probably mention that section 270 -22f lists the specific issues that need to be addressed in a conservation district regarding views. I would advise that the board address those issues during the planning process and the approval process. Ms. Ritter — One thing also that I think Kevin can probably talk to, an issue that I. brought up in this memo regarding requirement and conservation zone density requirement versus medium density residential and Kevin sort of has some preliminary thoughts on them. Mr. Jones — My opinion and in discussions with David Dubow, it was brought up to us today, but you have to meet the requirements of the conservation district for the variance. I think that has been acknowledged. That is our opinion and that of course that means that what this board says won't be the final say, which the applicant should be aware of. Board Member Mitrano — Kevin, when you say views, you mean what it looks like looking upon it by other people, not the views that they would have from their proposed site, correct? Mr. Jones — 270 -22 says additional requirements and restrictions for the conservation district. If you read through it you will see a number of things that the board should address, but in section f it seems to have the most items. Mr. Jones read the requirements and considerations. Ms. Ritter — I just might quickly draw your attention to the County's. comment that they submitted and one of the comments there was painting the buildings with earth tones similar to other developments in the area along the gorge to limit impacts of the view from the natural area below. Board Member Mitrano - That is very helpful to us and I imagine it is very helpful to the applicant. Chairperson Wilcox — Comments that I have. Based on what I've heard, I feel comfortable that you representing the Quakers have done a reasonable job sighting this .l PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED and have worked diligently to find the best site, which mitigates the many factors that are involved here. That I'm comfortable with and I think that is consistent with what I have heard over here. I am not convinced that the access is the best access other than it costs less and that is not sufficient enough. So we seem to be coming to consensus about the location of the site even though it is mostly in the conservation zone, there seems to be some reasonable good reasons for doing that. It pushes it away from the other residents. That access is still the issue. Slaterville Road is a state highway. Its purpose is to carry the traffic. 1 think if you are going to come back and try to get this board to approve access off of Penny Lane, I think you are going to have to give us a little bit more.. you are going to have to spend money, which is drawings and engineers or whatever to try to show us that either it is unsafe to go over Slaterville Road because of the grade or it is just totally impracticable or something like that. Clearly, that would be the preferred access to the site off of Slaterville Road. I lived on a road that had a 9% grade and 9 -10% grade is not wonderful in terms of an intersection with a road and even there the speed limit was 40 going down to 30. For me if you. are going to want to have access from Penny Lane you have to show that is the way to go. Board Member Hoffmann — I have essentially said already what I had to say. I just want to emphasize that I don't agree with Fred and others that the siting in the conservation zone is the best way of siting the building and the parking lot, but I've said that already. I would like to see a little more effort put into trying to put the building and the parking lot at the proper distance from the setback area. I am also concerned about the traffic and sympathize with the comments that were made that would not be good for children to have to run across the driveway of this property, but its also not good for the children who live on Penny. Lane to have to deal with extra traffic. So I feel some more thought has to be put into locating those things better. Chairperson Wilcox — Got enough feedback? Mr. Bayles — I think so. I think this is very good for us. Very informative and our next step will be to decide what route we take and will probably involve going to the Zoning Board before we come back to you. Chairperson Wilcox — You would under most circumstances ... I can't think of a circumstance where you wouldn't come here first. Ms. Ritter — I think they would have to come for preliminary. Chairperson Wilcox — You would come here first. We would-be the lead agency for environmental review: Under most circumstances if there is the Board you would appear here to get the preliminary approval, preliminary approval, and one of the conditions for final would from the Zoning Board if that is the route you choose to go. Mr. Bayles — That is the opposite of the way the City handles this, need to go to Zoning assuming you get the be getting a variance 61 1 TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS Tuesday, April 19, 2005 By direction of the Chairperson of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that Public Hearings will be held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday, April 19, 2005, at 215 North Tioga Street, Ithaca, N.Y., at the following times and on the following matters: 7:10 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed addition and renovations at the Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce located at 904 East Shore Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 18 -2 =10, Planned Development Zone No. 5. The proposal includes a two - story;. + /- 2,000 square foot addition on the north side of the existing building for new bathrooms, .office space, storage, and meeting space. The proposal also includes a request to amend the Special.Land Use District No. 5 to increase the number of persons employed in the building at any one time from 10 to 20, which requires a recommendation by the Planning Board to the Town Board. Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce, Owner; Jean McPheeters, President, Agent. 7:20 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed construction of a pavilion at the Coddington Road Community Center located at 920 Coddington Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 47 -1 -11.3, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposed pavilion (approximately 24' x 50') will be located to the west of the ball field and will be used for. summer camp programs. Coddington Road Community Center, Inc. Owner /Applicant; Anne Morrissette, Director, Agent, 7:30 P.M: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed +/ -1,479 square foot, three level addition to the La Tourelle Country Inn located at 1150 Danby Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 36- 1 -4.2, Planned Development Zone No. 1.. The proposal involves construction of an addition on the south side of the existing Inn between the Inn building and the tower suite building, including a storage room on the ground floor level ( +/- 384 sq. ft.), a cafe, lounge and bar on the first floor ( +/- 800 sq. r ft.), and a hallway connection to the tower room on the second floor ( +/- 295 sq. ft.). Walter J. Wiggins, Owner /Applicant. 7:40 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot located on Tower Road east of Rice Hall, Town of Ithaca Tax. Parcel No. 67 -1 -13.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 92 spaces along with adding new lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent. 7:50 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Friedman Wrestling Facility Parking Lot located off Campus Road to the north of the wrestling facility, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 67 -1 -13.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves a new paved lot for approximately 37 parking spaces with new lighting, landscaping, walkways, and stormwater facilities. A small portion of the project is located within the City of Ithaca. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Lauren Gilbert, Agent. 8:00 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Cornell University Large Animal Research Teaching Unit (LARTU) Parking. Lot located on the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 63- 1 -2.2, Low Density Residential Zone. The project involves paving the existing gravel parking lot for approximately 140 spaces along with adding new lighting, landscaping, and stormwater facilities. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; Laurene Gilbert, Agent. Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear.all persons in support of such matters. or objections thereto. Persons may appear by agent or in person. Individuals with visual impairments, hearing impairments or other special needs, will be provided with assistance as necessary, upon request. Persons desiring assistance must make such a request not less than 48 hours prior to the time of the public hearings. Jonathan Kanter, AICP Director of Planning 273 -1747 Dated: Monday, April 11, 2005 Publish: Wednesday, April 13, 2005 PLANNING BOARD MINUTES APRIL 19, 2005 APPROVED Ms. Ritter — I would just say that you could go before the Zoning Board for like a sketch plan, similar to what you have done here just to get their feedback. It doesn't happen real often, but I guess upon occasion it is possible to do that. Mr. Bayles — Well, I'll clarify some of these things. I think there is still a question about the 10% in the conservation district. Chairperson Wilcox — We all set? Mr. Bayles — Thank you very much. Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 9:55 p.m. OTHER BUSINESS Mr. Smith gave the board a preview of what was on the May 3, 2005 agenda. ADJOURNMENT On motion by Board Member Mitrano the meeting was adjourned at 9:57 p.m. Respectfully Submitted, TVV a Carrie Coates itmore Deputy Town Clerk 62 TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD 215 North Tioga Street Ithaca, New York 14850 Tuesday, Apri1 19, 2005 AGENDA 7:00 P.M. Persons to be heard (no more than five minutes). 7:05 P.M. SEQR Determination: Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce Addition, 904 E. Shore Dr. 7:10 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed addition and renovations at the Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce located at 904 East Shore Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 18 -2 -10, Planned Development Zone No. 5. The proposal includes a two -story, +/- 2,000 square foot addition on the north side of the existing building for new bathrooms, office. space, storage, and meeting space. The proposal also includes a request to amend the Special Land Use District No. 5 to increase the number of persons employed in the building at any one time from 10 to 20, which requires a recommendation by the Planning Board to the Town Board. Tompkins County Chamber of Commerce, Owner; Jean McPheeters, President, Agent. 7:15 P.M. SEQR Determination: Coddington Road Community Center Pavilion, 920 Coddington Road. 7:20 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed construction of a pavilion at the Coddington Road Community Center located at 920 Coddington Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 47 -1 -11.3, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposed pavilion (approximately 24' x 50') will be located to the west of the. ball field and will be used for summer camp programs. Coddington Road Community Center, Inc. Owner /Applicant; Anne Morrissette, Director, Agent, 7:25 P.M. SEQR Determination: La Tourelle Country Inn Tower Connection, 1150 Danby Road. 7:30 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed +/ -1,479 square foot, three level addition to the La Tourelle Country Inn located at 1150 Danby Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 36- 14.2, Planned Development Zone No. 1. The proposal involves construction of an addition on the south side of the existing Inn between the Inn building and the tower suite building, including a storage room on the ground floor level ( +/- 384 sq. ft.), a cafe, lounge and bar on the first floor ( +/- 800 sq. ft:), and a hallway connection to the tower room on the second floor ( +/- 295 sq. ft.). Walter J. Wiggins, Owner /Applicant, 7:35 P.M. SEQR Determination: Cornell University Rice Hall Parking Lot, Tower Road. 7:40 P.M. 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