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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 1980-06-03 • TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD JUNE 31 1980 The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on Tuesday , June 3 , 1980 in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street , Ithaca , New York , at 7 . 30 p . m . PRESENT : Chairman Henry Aron , Montgomery May , Liese Bronfenbrenner , Edward Mazza , Carolyn Grigorov , Bernard Stanton , James Baker , Lawrence P . Fabbroni ( Town Engineer ) , Barbara Z . Restaino ( Town. Planner ) , Nancy M . Fuller ( Secretary ) . ALSO PRESENT : Town Councilwoman Shirley Raffensperger , Town Councilman Marc Cramer , Stewart D . Knowlton , Orlando Iacovelli , Ralph Iacovelli , Vincent P . Hannan , Michael Hannan , Celia Bowers , Donna Kessler ( WTKO News ) . Chairman Aron declared the meeting duly opened at 7 : 30 p . m . and accepted for the record the Clerk ' s Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notices of Public Hearings ( 3 ) in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on May 23 and 27 , 1980 , and May 29 and June 2 , 1980 , respectively . Chairman Aron read aloud the following Memorandum from Town • Supervisor Noel Desch to the Chairman of the Planning Board dated May 6 , 1980 : " Please express my appreciation to the members of the Planning Board for the exeptionally fine job you all have done to update our sign ordinance . I have circulated a copy to each of the Town Board members and expect to have a public hearing at our regular Town Board meeting on June 9 , 1980 , to consider its adoption . % I am also interested in the status of your work on Planning Board procedures . Can you tell me when you expect to have this in a form adoptable by the Town Board ? " APPROVAL OF MINUTES - November 1 , 1977 MOTION by Mrs . Liese Bronfenbrenner , seconded by Mr . James Baker : RESOLVED , that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board Meeting of November 1 , 1977 , be and hereby are approved as written . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May , Bronfenbrenner , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . Abstain - Mazza . The MOTION was declared to be carried . APPROVAL OF MINU`.PES - April 15 , 1980 MOTION by Mrs . Liese Bronfenbrenner , seconded by Mr . James Baker : Planning Board 2 June 3 , 1980 • RESOLVED , that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board Meeting of April 15 , 1980 , be and hereby are approved as written . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May , Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . REPORT OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR - Lewis D . Cartee On behalf of Mr . Cartee , Mr . Fabbroni reported that 6 permits were issued during the month of May 1980 for $ 37 , 000 . 00 in improvements , as compared with 22 permits issued in May of 1979 for $ 293 , 163 . 00 in improvements . Mr . Fabbroni also commented on two houses which were moved and the upcoming 32 units of Ellis Hollow Multiple Family which is the first phase of 101 units being developed by Ivar Jonson ( Clivark ) . REPORT OF THE rCOWN ENGINEER - Lawrence P . Fabbroni Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Trumansburg Road Tank has been emptied and sand blasted and painting is being proceeded with . Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Stone Quarry Road cleanup is just about completed . Mr . Fabbroni reported that there is a little way to go on cleanup with regard to the West Hill sewer . Mr . Fabbroni reported , with • regard to the painting of Town Hall , that there have been a couple of snags - - painters ' strikes , etc . , so it will probably be a couple of months before startup . Mr . Fabbroni reported that his primary work right now is anticipating the CETA work crew in connection with the park building program . Mr . Fabbroni reported on a number of drainage problems and the status of Tareyton Drive and Muriel Street . Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Highway Department is presently doing paving work to take advantage of present prices , commenting that normally at this time of year they do drainage and patch up . Mr . Fabbroni described the special projects of the summer with drainage normally attended to this time of year . Mr . Fabbroni reported that there has been a lot of activity with regard to traffic counting which is being done for the whole Town . Mr . Fabbroni commented that within the next month he hoped to have a map - full for traffic all around the Town . Chairman Aron commented that Mr . Fabbroni ' s report was very interesting and asked if Mr . Fabbroni had something on traffic to which he could go back to make a comparison . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he did have in some cases - - South Hill , for example . Mr . Fabbroni commented that there is a lot of activity now amongst the Cornell community and the Town discussing the Forest Home by - pass and the East Ithaca connector . Mr . Fabbroni stated that they are , at this point , two separate projects , though there are still discussions where , or if , each will go . Mr . Fabbroni discussed the status at this point and how it is rather a mixed bag . REPORT OF THE TOWN PLANNER - Barbara Z . Restaino Planning Board 3 June 3 , 1980 • Mr . Stanton asked about the status of the Tareyton Park , wondering if it would happen this year or next year . Mrs . Restaino stated that it should happen this summer if we are quick and if the Feds come through , adding that there is not a whole lot more to do because it depends upon finishing the backstop and filling in with top soil . Mrs . Restaino stated that the grass is taking pretty well as a result of the reseeding . Mr . Stanton commented that people are pleased , obviously . Mr . Stanton wondered about Forest Home . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he has not gone back to Dick Lewis . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner wondered what the final hookup date is for sewer , to which Mr . Fabbroni replied , July 1981 . Mrs . Restaino reported that the last leg of the draft of the new zoning ordinance will go to the Attorney within the next two or three weeks which is good news for us . Mrs . Restaino stated that we have been working on it for two or three years now and people before us have too for several years . Mrs . Restaino stated that we are finally making some progress . Mr . May stated that he had a general question concerning youth playgrounds and asked if Mrs . Restaino had talked to anyone with negative comments . Mr . May stated that the school system in the Northeast is somewhat negative and has mentioned maintenance , costs , injuries , etc . Mrs . Restaino stated that this is a school district problem , commenting that it sounds like they should take it down . • PUBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR A CAR WASH IN A BUSINESS " D " DISTRICT AT EAST HILL PLAZA , TAX PARCELS NO , 6 - 62 - 2 - 1 . 121 , 6 - 62 - 2 - 12 , 6 - 62 - 2 - 1 . 13 . STEWART KNOWLTON , PARTNER , GROFF ASSOCIATES . Chairman Aron declared the Public Hearing in the above - noted matter duly opened at. 7 : 48 p . m . and read aloud from the Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above . Mr . Knowlton was present and appeared before the Board . Chairman Aron stated that every Board member had received a brochure of materials compiled and prepared by Mr . Knowlton with respect to the proposal before the Board . Chairman Aron congratulated Mr . Knowlton on a job very well done and stated that this type of presentation makes the Planning Board job a little easier . Mr . Knowlton stated that he appreciated Chairman Aron ' s kind words . Mr . Knowlton stated that in going back in the researching of the history of the " D " and " C " zones of the Barnes Farm as we knew it some twelve years ago , he thought it would be helpful to set that down in the booklet in order to provide some historical background as to what has been going on there . Mr . Knowlton stated that the booklet describes the rezonings that took place in 1968 whereby the " C " zone and the " D " were created . Mr . Knowlton stated that entire property , some 22 acres , was rezoned as " C " and a portion as " D " , with the portion as " D " lying right along Judd Falls Road north to the back corner of the P & C . Mr . Knowlton stated that he tried to build the background of the Barnes Farm • and the entire project so the Board could see what they have dealt with to make the development pattern meet the scope of the 1968 rezoning . Mr . Knowlton stated that twelve years ago there was consideration for a Planning Board 4 June 3 , 1980 • number of things and pointed out Exhibit " D " in the booklet which showed the original rendering of the Plaza development indicating the number of things which were considered as part of that development . Mr . Knowlton pointed out in the booklet an article from the Ithaca Journal , May 14 , 1969 , [ Exhibit E ] , legal notices , Minutes , Tax Map # 62 [ reduced ] , and stated that all of this reflects the development of the Barnes property . Mr . Knowlton utilized an aerial photo , commenting that it is more current in order for the Board to see how they were affecting the neighborhood and the local residents . Mr . Knowlton stated that , using the Barnes property as the center , he would refer to a half mile of roads and , within the scope of that half mile of roads running north , east , south , and west , he would point out that to the north there is no residential property , just Eastern Artificial Breeders and their acreage , easterly there are three residences with all the rest Cornell property , south there is the Sheep Farm and then the Swine Farm . Mr . Knowlton stated that in the one - half mile of roads are Pine Tree Road and Snyder Hill Road and the first house does just fall into this circle [ indicating ] . Mr . Knowlton stated that to the west there is the other " C " zone in which is the house on the corner - - the EAI house rented to employees and -the Marine Midland Bank , the Bowling Alley and the Skating Rink . Mr . Knowlton pointed out the little old schoolhouse which is a residence and -the caretaker ' s house for the Cemetery . Noting again that this is all in that one - half mile of roads , Mr . Knowlton stated that this is also a large buffer zone and which , also , has actually four residences , as you would call them , houses . • Referring again to the booklet , Mr . Knowlton noted that there are Minutes of the zoning Board of Appeals meeting of February 19 , 1975 , where a car wash was proposed in the " C " zone - - where the Depot is now , and stated that that request was denied because the Board felt a car wash was a Business " D " use . Mr . Knowlton showed where the " D " zone of the East Hill Plaza goes , noting that it is just as it was established in 1968 . Mr . Knowlton stated that they are proposing a four -bay type of unit in " this "' parking lot [ indicating ] as an adjunct to the gas service . Mr . Knowlton stated that he would describe the reasons for this request - - ( 1 ) requests that are being made to them by the public which are getting to be a large quantity , particularly since the gas unit is there and the cars are there , ( 2 ) on - site as opposed to behind the P & C so as to take care of the people in their parking lot and serve them ; ( 3 ) 8 . 3 miles from the Credit Union to Elmira Road and back which is a problem with gas approaching $ 2 . 00 per gallon . Referring to the shopping center itself , Mr . Knowlton stated that they have talked about a post office substation and commented that the Federal government moves very slowly . Mr . Knowlton stated that a post office and a car wash - - that kind of service - - is a fulfillment of a need that is there , adding that they hear about it all the time . Mr . Knowlton stated that such a facility does not offend anybody and is nothing new and is a focal point for " these " cars [ indicating ] and available to the gas unit as an adjunct to it . Mr . Knowlton stated that the proposed facility is a very • simplified , masonary , secured block type of unit with a truss roof which 0s a good looking , not flat , roof . Mr . Knowlton distributed photographs Planning Board 5 June 3 , 1980 • of a similar structure , pointing out that his request is for four - bays which is not as big as the one in the pictures . Chairman .Aron asked what the proposed total length is , to which Mr . Knowlton responded , 74 ± feet . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner wondered which way was in and which way was out . Mr . Knowlton described in as south and east and exit east . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner commented that that would mean exiting into traffic from the gas station . Mr . Knowlton pointed out that the facility is to be recessed back some 15 feet from the traffic lane or " drive lane " . Chairman Aron asked if there were any comments from the public . Town Councilwoman Shirley Raffensperger , 139 Pine Tree Road , spoke from the floor and asked if the Secretary had received anything from the public . Chairman Aron stated that Mrs . Fuller had received telephone calls from Nancy Krook and Mrs . J . Robert Cooke , which would be a part of the record . Councilman Marc Cramer pointed out that Town Hall is open to the public during the day for anyone who wishes to discuss Board agendas . Mrs . Raffensperger asked Mr . Knowlton if he had prepared the booklet which she had not seen before tonight . Mr . Knowlton stated that he had . Mrs . Raffensperger commented on both Town Board and Planning Board Minutes of meetings which took place in 1968 with respect to what is now East Hill Plaza , stating that missing from the booklet are hundreds of public comments with concern about traffic . Mrs . Raffensperger stated that a most undesirable situation still exists in • spite of assurances with each rezoning approval , although there has been some slight progress to do something about hazardous traffic that the neighborhood sees . Mrs . Raffensperger pointed out that merely one - tenth of a mile beyond the shopping center is a residential neighborhood which is one of the oldest in the Town of Ithaca and which is facing increasing difficulties in its residential development . Mrs . Raffensperger stated that matters have gotten worse even though in 1968 the understanding then was that Kennilworth would make an effort to do something about the traditionally hazardous intersection on Judd Falls / Ellis Hollow Roads , but now there is increased traffic with other intersections added . Mrs . Raffensperger described enormous difficulties for drivers , commenting that one minute you are on Judd Falls Road and there is , you think , no one there , and then , someone is there . Mrs . Raffensperger stated that you cannot make an intelligent , safe , judgement as to whether you can go through that intersection . Mrs . Raffensperger commented that a car wash in itself may be alright , but , then without solving the traffic problems you have to deal with the traffic it generates . Mrs . Raffensperger pointed out that a " by - pass " was discussed twelve years ago and pointed out further that eighteen years ago she was shown a map of it . Mrs . Raffensperger stated that that is a long time to wait . Mrs . Raffensperger stated that she thought the Planning Board should suggest that the Town Board vigorously pursue a change in the 55 mph speed and also a change in the entrance and exit into the service station back to what the Planning Board had recommended which was only an entrance and not an exit . • Chairman Aron read the following note prepared by the Secretary : Planning Board 6 June 3 , 1980 • " Telephone Call from Nancy Krook , 113 Pine Tree Road , May 30 , 1980 , in re the proposed car wash at East Hill Plaza . Mrs . Krook will be unable to attend the Planning Board Meeting on June 3 , 1980 , because of a prior commitment to a School Board meeting . She asked that her comments be entered into the record of the Hearing with the Planning Board Secretary acting as her agent . 1 . Mrs . Krook is opposed to the addition of a car wash at the East Hill Plaza . 2 . Mrs . Krook is opposed to the addition of traffic on a road system that cannot handle what it has already . 3 . The Boy Scouts presently have to pick up the garbage from the businesses) at Ide ' s Bowling Alley and Skate City , 4 . The area presently looks like the South Bronx and a car wash would make it even worse . 5 . It was clearly the intention of the re - zoning for the Plaza that the area was to be a ' neighborhood convenience center ' . 6 . Any more curb cuts or irregular traffic patterns should not occur there . 7 . Why must Hie have an instant Elmira Road ? 8 . The neighbors are fleeing the area because of the Judd Falls Road / Ellis Hollow Road area mess . Several homes are presently for sale . " Chairman Aron also read the following note from the Secretary : " June 3 , 1980 • Mr . & Mrs . J . Robert Cooke 142 Pine Tree Rd . 1 . The intersection is terrible and extremely dangerous . 2 . No more traffic - producing facilities . 3 . Pulling out of Judd Falls Road and Ellis Hollow Rd . intersection is dangerous ; a lot of traffic - - a car can come up Mitchell St . & if it is going at any speed it is upon you even though you have looked around . 4 . The odd alignment of roads is a problem 5 . Something serious is going to happen . 6 . Opposed because of traffic , not car wash , per se . " Councilwoman Raffensperger stated that she had received telephone calls from David Macklin and Dick Fischer , both of whom expressed their opposition to this proposal . Chairman Aron stated that he would like to say , with respect to the traffic into the gas station , that he has mentioned it many times that this Planning Board when it gave approval for that gas station , it designed a one - way street to get into it - - it was the Town Board who re - designed it . Mrs . Raffensperger stated that she agreed with Mr . Aron and asked why does the Planning Board not tell the Town Board that it was right . Chairman Aron commented that the Planning Board cannot penalize things for things that have been undone . Chairman Aron asked about the Town Board committee that has been involved with traffic . • Mrs . Raffensperger stated that one of the members had talked to Mr . Knowlton about stop signs , commenting that this also eliminates the Planning Board ' s wise decision of there being an entrance only . Mrs . Planning Board 7 June 3 , 1980 • Raffensperger stated that it was her understanding that Mr . Knowlton told Councilman Powers that these things were not possible under the terms of the .Lease with the gas station . Mrs . Raffensperger commented that Supervisor Desch had assured her that he would contact Mr . Knowlton . Mr . Knowlton stated that he had not . Chairman .Aron asked if Mr . Fabbroni could tell the Board more about the increase in the traffic about which everyone seems to be talking . Mr . Fabbroni stated that from the time staff observed this intersection , which was in the Spring of 1977 to this past Spring , there has definitely been an increase of traffic on the Ellis Hollow leg coming from the City and the Judd Falls way coming to this corner . Mr . Fabbroni stated that there is no conclusion as to the Ellis Hollow leg ; there really has not been much of a change on either of those two legs . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he would have to do another detailed study of the traffic at that intersection . Mr . Fabbroni stated that all those cars were coming from the City and back and there is definitely an increase on those two legs . Chairman Aron asked how much of an increase occurred . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he would say a 20 % increase occurred on those two legs . Mr . May wondered how close that was to saturation . Mr . Fabbroni responded that it was not even close . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the problem remains the awkward intersection as everyone admits . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the solution is simple , however , it is not a simple solution politically and added that the solution could be built in two months ' time and designed in two days ' time , but whatever the maze is to agreement with Cornell , and other parties , is what has made • it go on for twelve years . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the sound way to approach it is to relocate Pine Tree Road , regardless of where it goes , to Ellis Hollow and Jonson ' s apartments and then to restrict certain movements in and out of the Plaza . Mr . Fabbroni described the 1 , 000 - foot intersection . Mr . Fabbroni commented that such an improvement would eliminate 90 % of the safety problem with very difficult exits . With respect to traffic volumes , Mr . Fabbroni stated that for six years he has listened to folks from Mrs . Raffensperger ' s neck of the woods , and speed must be the problem because the numbers are so small they Eire inconsequential . Mr . Fabbroni described the volumes in Forest Home and in the Northeast , commenting that the number once south of Snyder Hill Road is so small that it is really a speed problem . Chairman Aron asked what the speed limit is from the corner of Judd Falls and Ellis Hollow passing the shopping center to the elderly apartments . Mr . Fabbroni stated that it has been lowered to 35 mph , however , between Snyder Hill and the intersection it is 55 mph . Mr . Fabbroni stated that with regard to the section Mr . Aron was talking about , the Town finally convinced the State to lower to 35 mph from the City line , and , Judd Falls Road is 35 mph . Mr . Fabbroni stated that everything is 35 expect the strip that Mrs . Raffensperger talked about . Chairman Aron asked if that was the State ' s responsibility . Mr . Fabbroni stated that we tried several years ago to get an area speed limit through , however , the response we got back was the State ' s famous speed study . Mr . Fabbroni commented that it depends on where they pick • to use the numbE! r from - - the swine barn or Mrs . Raffensperger ' s house - they get a number and there ' s your speed . Mr . Fabbroni described certain other criteria such as driveways , 100 - foot geometrics , Pine Tree Planning Board 8 June 3 , 1980 • Road , straight as an arrow , new shoulders , perfect alignment road . Mr . Fabbroni stated that when you get done with their criteria you are back to 55 mph for the whole road . Mr . Fabbroni stated that they did that for the whole Town and their conclusion - - road by road requests ; 35 mph for the whole east end of the Town was not warranted . Mr . Fabbroni stated that thin. Town did not agree and does not agree . Mrs . Raffensperger stated that it is not just an immediate neighborhood concern , adding that a large number of people in the area go to Cornell lots and the Cornell Campus . Mrs . Raffensperger noted that Mr . Fabbroni had talked about increase in traffic in two years , and stated that the neighborhood is talking about the period of time from the development of the shopping center until now with the increase percentage very large there for not having improved the intersection . Mrs . Grigorov wondered if the Planning Board could make a report to the Town Board . Chairman Aron stated that it could . Mr . Knowlton stated to Mrs . Raffensperger that what she was saying he agreed with almost 100 % . Mr . Knowlton stated that he did not think he had ever made a statement to one soul about being able to improve the intersection , adding that he cannot . Mr . Knowlton stated that in 1968 they [ Groff ] dedicated the right of way for the by -pass , adding that that was four and one - half acres in reservation , and commenting that that was twelve years ago and a great concession to make , to grant whichever the municipality is to align Pine Tree Road with this road . Mr . Knowlton stated that he cannot do anything about that , adding that • he did meet wi 4p_h a young man from the County and showed him and Noel Desch and Bob Flowers an area of pavement attached to Pine Tree Road to Judd Falls Road that is 116 feet wide with room for five cars abreast . Mr . Knowlton , commenting , " Good Lord , I will paint stakes , anything , but I cannot do it . " , stated that he would take the signs down on the 55 mph zone and added that maybe it would be good for him to get arrested for taking the sign down . Mr . Knowlton stated that he has never asked for a rezoning to the best of his knowledge - - site plan approval , yes , within the scope of what was done in 1968 . Mr . Knowlton stated that he was sympathetic to the problems , adding that he has volunteered to do anything . Mrs . Raffensperger asked Mr . Knowlton if he would make the entrance and exit one way . Mr . Knowlton replied , no , because that is not the answer , and added that the center line is three cars wide and the jog is very dangerous . Chairman Aron declared the Public Hearing closed at 8 : 30 p . m . and asked for Board discussion . Mr . Stanton stated that he assumed there would be a fair amount of water in a car wash and asked where it came from and where it would go . Mr . Knowlton stated that both water and sewer are entirely within their right of way . Mr . Stanton wondered if there were plenty of room for draining it out . Mr . Knowlton stated that there was - - into the sewer . Mr . May , commenting about the water draining into the bays , wondered about winter freezing , and noted that there would be a fair amount of • ice out into the parking lot . Mr . Knowlton stated that would not really be the case if you use infra red lights as a blotter for what the unit actually discharges . Planning Board 9 June 3 , 1980 • Mrs . Bronfenbrenner commented that , in many ways , we , the public , and some of us too , are dealing with the problem of the original hearings wherE! a " neighborhood shopping center " was described with a density as existing under the zoning ordinance and not any amounts . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner stated that the public hears these things mentioned and then they feel we have a vote on this . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner stated that we have to be extremely careful about what we vote upon , adding that this is not really what it was said to be . Mr . Knowlton asked , " What is a neighborhood shopping center ? " Mrs . Bronfenbrenner responded that she did not know , but they were told that is what it was . Mr . Knowlton stated that in his industry , a neighborhood shopping center is 250 , 000 square feet , and added that there are community shopping centers and regional shopping centers . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner commented that Mr . Knowlton had mentioned 200 , 000 square feet as was also mentioned in the booklet , and asked whether that number had been amended . Mr . Knowlton replied that under the ordinance the shopping center could be around 240 , 000 square feet . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner pointed that at the time it was not specifically that figure for that shopping center . Mr . Knowlton stated that he really could not comment any further because all of those people - - Kennilworth - - are gone . Mrs . Grigorov wondered whether or not a car wash is definitely permitted in a Business " D " zone and , also , who was going to run the car wash . Mr . Fabbroni responded that Business " D " includes gas stations and , as to the car wash aspect , he had asked that question of the Zoning Board of Appeals four years ago . Mr . Mazza asked what the size of the • shopping center is now , with Mr . Knowlton responding 97 , 250 square feet of building plus 723 spaces for parking . Mr . Knowlton stated that there would be no loss in parking spaces because of the car wash . Chairman Aron asked Mr . Knowlton if he expected an increase in business because of the car wash . Mr . Knowlton responded that he honestly did not because it is too much of an on - site location , commenting that they will already be there shopping , etc . , and adding that for as small a unit as it is which is on - site there probably will not be much increased business . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner stated that the traffic pattern problem concerned her , commenting that this seems to be right on line with that pattern . Mr . Knowlton quipped that he would volunteer to put a bump there , to which Mr . May responded with a resounding " no " . Mrs . Grigorov wanted clarification of her thoughts that the cars would be coming in at a certain spot and would be exiting at another spot „ Mr . Knowlton clarified the in and out question using the drawing . Chairman Aron asked that the Board turn to the matter of the Short Environmental Assessment Form , marked " Exhibit G " in the booklet , as signed and submitted by Stewart D . Knowlton under date of May 27 , 1980 . Chairman Aron stated that the Planning Board would act as lead agency in the matter of environmental review . Chairman Aron stated that the Short EAF had been answered in the negative and had been reviewed by the Town Planner , Mrs . RE! staino , on June 3 , 1980 , with a recommendation for a • negative declaration . Chairman Aron asked for discussion on the EAF . Mr . May stated , with respect to Item # 15 - " Is there public controversy concerning the project ? " - - that he thought the Board had to address the Planning Board 10 June 3 , 1980 • fact that there is public controversy . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner stated that she also thought there should be some discussion of Item # 11 - " Will project result: in major traffic problems or cause a major effect to existing transportation systems ? " Mr . Mazza commented that this particular project will not cause traffic problems . Mr . Stanton stated that he agreed with # 15 being an issue . Mr . Knowlton changed # 15 to " Yes " and initialled the Short EAF . MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . James Baker . RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , acting as lead agency in . the review of the proposed site plan for a car wash in a Business " D " District at East Hill Plaza , Tax Parcels No . 6 - 62 - 2 - 1 . 121 , 6 - 62 - 2 - 12 , and 6 - 62 - 2 - 1 . 13 , Stewart Knowlton , Partner , Groff Associates , approve and hereby does approve the Short Environmental Assessment Form , as amended , and. FURTHER RESOLVED , that said Planning Board waive and hereby does waive the requirement for submission of a Long Environmental Assessment Form , and FURTHER RESOLVED , that pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act , Part 617 , this action is classified as Unlisted , and FURTHER RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has determined from the Environmental Assessment Form and all pertinent • information that the above -mentioned action will not significantly impact the environment and , therefore , will not require further environmental review . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May ,, Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . Chairman Aron asked if there were any further discussion with regard to Exhibit " H " - - an over view of the entire area showing the proposed car wash unit in relation to the self service gas station , plaza stores , Judd Falls Road and the parking area , with the car wash unit shown in red . Mr . Fabbroni asked Mr . Knowlton what the size of the pipe which discharges the water in the roadside drain will be . Mr . Knowlton stated that it will be a 4 " pipe . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he had no problem with a 4 - inch pipe . Mr . May offered the comment that this will go into the sanitary sewer . Mr . Fabbroni stated that Mr . May was right and inquired about an interceptor . Mr . Knowlton stated that there is a 1 , 000 gallon settling tank from which each one of the bays flows into to collect before it goes into the sewer system itself . Mr . Knowlton also • spoke about a sump in each bay - - all collecting into this one 1 , 000 gallon tank . Mr . Knowlton stated that this operation does not need a permit from the Health Department other than the normal hookup . Mr . Planning Board 11 June 3 , 1980 • Fabbroni stated that an oil separator should be there . Mr . Knowlton stated to Mr . Fabbroni that he would talk to him about that and would do whatever he required . Chairman Aron wondered who was building the car wash and if he was a qualified person . Mr . Knowlton stated that the builder was qualified . Mrs . Grigorov wondered what color the roof was going to be . Mr . Knowlton stated that it would be in beige / brown / tan color range and would be a shingled roof . Mr . May stated that he was not sure that a four -bay car wash in that location is going to be the most desirable from a possibility of size build - up and from the viewpoint of Judd Falls Road . Mr . May stated that he was not totally opposed to a car wash but he was not sure about that location in the middle of the parking lot . Mr . Knowlton noted that to the 21 parking spaces they are adding about 80 . Mr . May stated that ice is a concern , adding that that is going to be a traffic lane there close to the building and noting that Mr . Knowlton was quite right that it is 15 feetaway , however , people will be passing closely . Mr . Knowlton stated that the prime reason for the location is the " D " zone , adding that that location is the only one that fits within that scope . Mr . Knowlton commented that what he was hearing Mr . May say in his comments is that he did not like it out here in the parking lot . Mr . May stated that he would ask this Board if a car wash is desirable or best in that location just because it is the " D " zone and the rest is " C " . Mr . Knowlton stated that the only other possibility is in the " C " zone behind the P & C . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner wondered about next to the P & C . Mr . Knowlton thought it would be too crowded there . Mr . May . recalled that McGuire and Bennett had been considering using that area for storage and asked if they had decided not to use that area . Mr . Knowlton stated that he had not heard anything from them so he took that absence of contact , if you will , a negative . Mr . Knowlton suggested that another point would be to put it completely behind , i . e . , behind the Depot in the " C " area . Mr . May wondered about the " green " area shown on the drawing on Ellis Hollow Road and asked if it were to be maintained as green space . Mr . Knowlton stated that that was the plan right now , adding that he was not being evasive . Mr . Mazza wondered if an island to deter traffic could be created . Mr . Knowlton commented that they are serving on - site people , not highway public . Mr . May commented that , for himself , he would be far more comfortable with the car wash by the Depot . Mr . Mazza pointed out that this still leaves the " D " zone in place . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner wondered if there could be a trade - off - - the! " C " to " D " and the " D " to " C " . Mr . Knowlton commented that the Board was hitting him really quickly with that idea but he did not see any real problem with that . Mr . Fabbroni noted that the part that is zoned " D " has a metes and bounds description as shown on Exhibits " C " and " I " in the booklet presented by Mr . Knowlton and excluded anything except that area . Mr . Fabbroni suggested a grant of a " D " area sufficient just for the car wash . Mr . Stanton wondered if this would be in the interest of the users , adding that it seemed to him to add one more approval of the lot access way . Mr . Knowlton described the main entrance into the Depot and stated that they need that access . Mr . May pointed out , also , the entrance from the hardware store , adding that if the car wash were serving the people in the shopping center , it would be their intent to go there . Chairman Aron commented that if Mr . Knowlton were to wish to leave it in the " D " zone , there would be the Planning Board 12 June 3 , 1980 matter of the winter water and icing . Chairman Aron asked Mr . Knowlton if he could control the de - icing of the area . Mr . May commented that more salt would be necessary and Mr . Mazza commented that that would mean more use of the car wash . Mr . Knowlton confessed that he did not know how to answer that question . Mr . Stanton stated that the car wash was visually better back there behind the P & Co Mr . May stated that he wished no offense , but he agreed . Chairman Aron asked Mr . Knowlton if he would be willing to withdraw his request and place the car wash in the " C " zone , adding that Mr . Knowlton should realize that the Planning Board can only recommend to the Town Board in matters of rezoning . Mr . Mazza stated to Mr . Knowlton that he would not give up any of his rights if he were to follow this course , adding that he could come back with this proposal . Mr . Knowlton stated that , under the circumstances and for the reasons being discussed , he would consider the relocation of the project into the " C " zone in behind the Plaza to the east of the Depot Restaurant parking lot , and , he will so request . Mr . Knowlton asked the Chair if he may submit his withdrawal . Chairman Aron stated that he accepted the withdrawal request . MOTION by Mr . Montgomery May , seconded by Mrs . Liese Bronfenbrenner : RESOLVED , that the Planning Board request and hereby does request that the Town Board set a Public Hearing for proposed exchange of area • presently zoned Business " D " with an adjacent area presently zoned Business " C " for Groff Associates and a car wash at East Hill Plaza , and FURTHER RESOLVED , that such Public Hearing be scheduled for the next Town Board meeting but no later than the July 7th Town Board meeting . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May , Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . Chairman Aron declared the matter of the proposed car wash in the " D " zone of East Hill Plaza duly closed at 9 : 06 p . m . PUBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR STORAGE WAREHOUSE AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 13 AND ROUTE 13A , TAX PARCEL NO . 6 - 31 - 3 - 3 . 1 . VINCENT P . HANNAN . Chairman Aron declared the Public Hearing in the above - noted matter duly opened at 9 : 07 p . m . and read aloud from the Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above . Both Vincent and Michael Hannan were present . • Chairman Aron noted that each of the Board members had before him / her a copy of the Town of Ithaca Short Environmental Assessment Form Planning Board 13 June 3 , 1980 • as completed and signed by Vincent P . Hannan , under date of June 3 , 1980 , and as reviewed by the Town Planner , Barbara Z . Restaino , under date of June 3 , 1980 , with a recommendation of no significant environmental .impacts . Chairman Aron noted that each question had been answered " no " and asked if there were any questions . There were none . MOTION by Mrs . Liese Bronfenbrenner , seconded by Mr . Montgomery May : RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , acting as lead agency in the review of the site plan for a proposed storage warehouse at the intersection of Routes 13 and 13A , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 31. 3 - 3 . 1 , Vincent P . Hannan , Applicant , approve and hereby does approve the Short Environmental Assessment Form , as completed , and FURTHER RESOLVED , that pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act , Part 617 , this action is classified as Unlisted , and FURTHER RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has determined from the Environmental Assessment Form and all pertinent information that the above -mentioned action will not significantly impact the environment and , therefore , will not require further environmental review . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . • Aye - Aron , May ,, Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . Chairman Aron read aloud the following excerpt from the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals Meeting of May 14 , 1980 : " IN THE MATTER OF THE APPEAL OF VINCENT P . HANNAN , APPELLANT , FROM THE DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENYING BUILDING PERMIT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A STORAGE WAREHOUSE WITH LESS THAN REQUIRED FRONT YARD AND MORE THAN PERMITTED HEIGHT AT THE INTERSECTION OF ROUTE 13 AND ROUTE 13A , PARCEL NO . 6 - 31 - 3 - 3 . 1 , ITHACA , N . Y . PERMISSION IS DENIED UNDER ARTICLE VIII , SECTION 44 , PARAGRAPHS 2 AND 41 AND ARTICLE XIV , SECTION 75 , OF THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING ORDINANCE . MOTION by M.r . Peter K . Francese , seconded by Mr . Edward N . Austen : RESOLVED , that the Zoning Board of Appeals of the Town of Ithaca grant and hereby does grant a variance from the requirements of the Town of Ithaca Zoning Ordinance to permit the construction of a proposed warehouse on Tax Parcel No . 6 - 31 - 3 - 3 . 1 such that the proposed warehouse may be a maximum of 180 ' long and 65 ' wide , with the condition that such warehouse may come no closer than 40 ' from the front line 3oining Route 13A and 40 ' from the side line 3oining Tax Parcel No . 6 - 31 - 3 - 4 , and • further t Planning Board. 14 June 3 , 1980 • RESOLVED , that said Zoning Board of Appeals grant and hereby does grant a variance from the requirements of the Town of Ithaca Zoning Ordinance height restriction such that the building may be no more than 32 ' high , and further RESOLVED , that such granting of variances be and hereby are conditioned upon the approval of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board of the site plan under Section 46 - a of the Town of Ithaca Zoning Ordinance . Aye - Francese , Austen , King , Reuning . Nay - None . " Chairman Aron now asked the Board to turn to the matter of the site plan as presented by Mr . Vincent Hannan , dated June 3 , 1980 , entitled " Environmental Plot Plan for Proposed Warehouse , Tax Map Parcel 31 - 3 - 3 . 1 , RoutE! 13A at Route 13 " , said site plan showing the location of the proposed 1. 80 ' by 65 ' warehouse , with floor elevation 29 ' below intersection Rt . 13 & 13A , on said parcel and showing a private paved driveway , vegetation in place , and showing an area to be cleared for working space on the south lot line . Chairman Aron asked if there were anyone present who wished to speak for or against this proposal . No one spoke . Chairman Aron asked if this parcel is the one in the hole where Routes 13 and 13A meet and where he sees two old cranes and one old • ship ' s hull lying around . Mr . Vincent Hannan stated that Chairman Aron was correct . Chairman Aron asked Mr . Hannan if the two cranes and the ship ' s hull will be removed . Mr . Vincent Hannan stated that the three items will be removed , adding that they are where they are going to put the building . Chairman Aron asked that they not be visible . Mr . Vincent Hannan stated that once construction is completed they will not be visible . Mr . Fabbroni asked if the proposed building were to be a Butler - type of building , that is , pre - fabricated . Mr . Vincent Hannan stated that it would not be of that type , adding that it will have finished panels on the side . Mr . Fabbroni wondered approximately when Mr . Hannan would complete construction . Mr . Michael Hannan stated that they have been four months trying to get the building permit , adding that he intended to finish it up this summer . Mr . Michael Hannan stated that he will still try to close it in before the winter . Mr . May wondered if they would be warehousing construction materials . Mr . Michael Hannan stated that they would be warehousing furniture . Mr . May wondered if there would be any selling out of this warehouse . Mr . Vincent Hannan stated that there would not be any selling out of the warehouse . Chairman Aron wondered if there would be a steel constructed truss roof . Mr . Vincent Hannan stated that that would be the case . Mr . Fabbroni wonderE! d if he were correct in saying that traffic would involve one or trucks a day at the most . Mr . Vincent Hannan stated that that was correct . Mr . Mazza asked Mr . Fabbroni if he felt there would • be any drainage problems . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he did not feel there would be problems drainagewise and , indicating on the drawing , stated that " this " stream " here " feeds down into another muddy area Planning Board 15 June 3 , 1980 • across Route 13A . Mr . Fabbroni stated again that he did not see any drainage problem . Chairman Aron closed the Public Hearing at 9 : 16 p . m . MOTION by Mrs . Liese Bronfenbrenner , seconded by Mr . Bernard Stanton * RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board grant and hereby does grant Site Plan Approval for the construction of a 180 ' by 65 ' warehouse on Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 31 - 3 - 3 . 1 , located at the intersection of NYS Routes 13 and 13A , as presented by Messrs . Vincent and Michael Hannan at Public Hearing this date , June 3 , 1980 , and as set forth on Map entitled " Environmental Plot Plan for Proposed Warehouse " , dated June 3 , 1980 .. There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May , Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . Chairman Aron declared the matter of the warehouse proposed by Vincent and Michael Hannan duly closed at 9 : 18 p . m . . PUBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR 4 - LOT SUBDIVISION , 362 WEST KING ROAD , TAX PARCELS NO . 6 - 35 - 2 - 6 . 1 AND 6 - 35 - 2 - 6 . 3 . ORLANDO IACOVELLI AND RALPH IACOVELLI . Chairman Aron declared the Public Hearing in the above - noted matter duly opened at 9 : 19 p . m . and read aloud from the Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above . Messrs . Orlando and Ralph Iacovelli were present . Mr . Orlando Iacovelli presented his proposed final subdivision plan to the Board entitled " Proposed Four Lot Division for L . [ Lando - - short for Orlando ] Iacovelli " , drawn by W . A . , dated May 29 , 1980 , showing four proposed lots and proposed cul - de - sac for the Messrs . Iacovelli land located at 362 West King Road . Chairman Aron commented to Mr . Fabbroni that this is the first time he [ Fabbroni ] had seen this map . Mr . Fabbroni concurred and perused the drawing . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he would say that he would require 24 " culverts for the two locations shown , adding that if it proved out to need less , he may require 18 " , but , in any event , 24 " would be more than enough . Mr . Fabbroni asked Mr . Iacovelli for clarification with respect to proposed lot numbered " 2 " . Indicating on the drawing , Mr . Iacovelli described lot 2 . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the drainage should be along the lot: lines , which he noted were not clearly shown , as the lots are developed since this land is not developed . Mr . Fabbroni • stated that a ditch should be cut between lot numbered " 3 " and lot numbered " 4 " to divert water back into the ditch . Mr . Fabbroni stated that whatever is developed on lot numbered " 3 " should not sheet onto lot Planning Board 16 June 3 , 1980 • numbered " 4 " and then ditches should be developed along both sides of the roads to where shown on the drawing going off into the creek . Mr . Fabbroni commented that the ditch will carry to the creek . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the road should be built to Town Highway Specifications . Mr . Mazza stated that it was his understanding that Mr . Iacovelli was intending to build on lot numbered " 1 " now and that he [ Iacovelli ] did not know what he was going to do with lots numbered " 2 " , " 3 " , and " 4 " , and , further , that the road coming off West King Road down to the southwest corner of lot numbered " 1 " will be to Town Highways Specs . Mr . Iacovelli stated that there is a road there now but not to Town Highway Specifications , adding that he has to widen it . Mr . Mazza wondered what the structures are that are shown on the drawing as little boxes . Mr . Iacovelli stated that they are existing houses . Mr . Mazza asked how far the one existing house closest to the proposed cul - de - sac is from that road . Mr . Iacovelli stated that it was about 25 ' . Mr . Fabbroni stated that a curved right of way alignment rather than the angled one as shown would not interfere with the 200 ' frontage shown for lot numbered " 1 " . Mr . Mazza wondered why it was cornered like that . Mr . Fabbroni stated that it could be curved easily , adding that if he builds the road. where shown - - no problem . Mr . Fabbroni stated that it would be fine , also , if he [ Iacovelli ] wants to give the Town extra right of way . Chairman Aron asked that Mr . Iacovelli round that part of the proposed road off a little bit . Mr . Iacovelli stated that he would do that . • Chairman Aron asked if there were any further questions . There were none . Chairman Aron closed the Public Hearing at 9 : 30 p . m . MOTION by Mr . Edward Mazza , seconded by Mr . Bernard Stanton : RESOLVED , that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca grant and hereby does grant Final Subdivision Approval for a 4 - lot Subdivision , 362 West King Road , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcels No . 6 - 35 - 2 - 6 . 1 and 6 - 35 - 2 - 6 . 3 , as proposed by Orlando Iacovelli and Ralph Iacovelli , contingent upon the following : 1 That the roadway shown on the ma resented to the Plannin • Y P P g Board this date , June 3 , 1980 , entitled " Proposed Four Lot Division for L . Iacovelli " , dated May 29 , 1980 , be built in accordance with Town of Ithaca Highway Specifications . 2 . That the lots be drained according to the specifications of the Town Engineer including the culverts under the road being 24 " in diameter unless otherwise approved by the Town Engineer . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May , Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None , • The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously , w Planning Board 17 June 3 , 1980 • Chairman Aron declared the matter of the Orlando Iacovelli 4 - lot subdivision duly closed at 9 : 35 p . m . REPORT OF THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD CHAIRWOMAN - TOWN COUNCILWOMAN SHIRLEY RAFFENSPERGER . Councilwoman Raffensperger reported on the May 14 , 1980 meeting of the County Planning Board and stated that the meeting dealt mostly with several continuing problems involving the role of various County advisory boards in the planning process , the discussion leading to a re - evaluation of their function and the formation of a committee to work on the structure of advisory committees made up of Eleanor Bayley , Raymond Hemming , Gould Colman , Barbara Caldwell , and Shirley Raffensperger . Councilwoman Raffensperger reported that a Resolution was adopted as a part of this discussion , for transmission to the interested parties - - Common Council , Board of Representatives , and municipalities , as follows : " The Tompkins County Planning Board recommends that when members are appointed to planning advisory boards such as the Ithaca - Tompkins County Transportation Commission , Environmental :Management Council , and the Economic Advisory Board , emphasis should be placed upon that member ' s potential to increase the Board ' s capacity to ( 1 ) define problems , ( 2 ) identify feasible responses , and ( 3 ) inform the public , the Tompkins County Planning Board , and decision -making bodies concerning these responses . " Councilwoman Raffensperger reported on a discussion in this vein with respect to reducing overlap and potential conflict . She spoke of a • " lead agency role " , in other words , a " lead board " as the agency responsible for providing advice to the County Board of Representatives on a particular category of actions , with a " non - lead board " still having ample opportunity for involvement through the " lead board " . Councilwoman Raffensperger described this concept as a possible technique to tidy up the process and helping to delineate more clearly who is responsible before a matter goes on to the Board of Representatives process . Councilwoman Raffensperger reported on a discussion held which was a continuation of the problem of the transportation of radio - active materials , with the Board members suggesting possible controls on the transporting of radio - active materials . Councilwoman Raffensperger reported that a recommendation of a special committee on Radioactive Materials Transportation had been established by the County Board of Representatives and that the Board of Represenatives did pass on their recommendation on May 27th . Councilwoman Raffensperger reported that at the same time they discussed a topic that the County Planning Board had discussed which was the necessity of the County Planning Board and an advisory board to consider such transportation . Councilwoman Raffensperger noted that of the 100 million packages shipped annually in the United States and designated by the NRC as hazardous , 2 million involve radio - active . materials and 98 million involve other hazardous materials , such as explosives , corrosives , poisons , and flammables , and stated that this was a substantial problem . Councilwoman Raffensperger • stated that a draft resolution with regard to hazardous materials was discussed by the County Planning Board . Planning Board 18 June 3 , 1980 • Chairman Aron wondered if the Federal government had jurisdiction over the States or could the States tell a transporter - " You cannot cgme here . " Councilwoman Raffensperger stated that that was unclear , adding that radio - active materials are regulated differently from other hazardous materials , adding further , that it is unclear as to whether or not local municipalities may effect a transportation ban . Councilwoman Raffensperger commented that there are different kinds of input from both the Federal and State governments , adding that there is much less regulation of other hazardous materials and almost nothing as to routing . Councilwoman Raffensperger spoke of a Hearing process now being set up by the Federal Highway Administration with respect to packaging , routing , and notification regulations . Councilwoman Raffensperger also mentioned that she had been contacted by Joseph Leeming , in the City , as to a petition drawn banning the routing of trucks through Route 79 in the City . Councilwoman Raffensperger stated that she had made an inquiry to Mr . Fabbroni as to any impact of such a move , adding that both she and Mr . Fabbroni were aware that - if you take trucks off somewhere - - they go somewhere else . Chairman Arron thanked Councilwoman Raffensperger for her report . CONSIDERATION OF APPLICATIONS FOR SIGN PERMIT 1 . What ' s Your Beef ? - East Hill Plaza . • Chairman Aron noted that the Planning Board had recommended approval of the proposed signage for What ' s Your Beef ? to the Town Board , however , after that they decreased the size of the restaurant such that now they no longer have enough linear front footage to support the recommendation , so , the Town Board has sent it back to the Planning Board to reconsider . MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . James Baker . RESOLVED , that the matter of the application for sign permit for " What ' s Your BeE! f0 , East Hill Plaza , be and hereby is deferred until the next regular meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , July 1 ., 1980 . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May , Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . 2 . Indian Creek: Antiques - 1406 Trumansburg Road . The Board members had before them the Application for Sign Permit as completed and signed by Celia H . Bowers under date of May 15 , 1980 , together with a drawing of the proposed sign and specifications therefor and a letter to Mr . Cartee regarding the proposed sign . r �► Planning Board 19 June 3 , 1980 • Chairman Aron commented that he had seen the sign that is presently there and it appeared to him to be very amateurish . The Board members discussed the size of the proposed sign , 38 sq . ft . , and also discussed whether or not the proposed setback of the sign , 23 ft . , is farther back from the road than necessary . The Board noted that Mrs . Bowers had stated on her Application that the sign would be at the top of a steep slope which runs down to the road and will also be 185 ' and 291 ' , respectively , .from the nearest adjoining property lines . Mrs . Bowers stated that shE! had discussed the sign setback with Mr . Cartee . Mr . May informed Mrs . Bowers about the proposed new sign ordinance which , it is hoped , would soon be adopted by the Town Board . Mrs . Bowers stated that the purpose of the sign is to make it visible before one gets to the site . Mr . Fabbroni wondered if Mrs . Bowers needed to have the hours of operation and the arrow . Mrs . Bowers stated that she felt the arrow was essential as well as the hours . Mrs . Grigorov commented that the location in which the sign is proposed is a good one for a variance because it is not typical of R- 15 Residence Distracts . Mrs . Bowers stated that the reason for the size is the slope . Mr . Mazza wondered if there would be any lighting . Mrs . Bowers stated that there would be no lighting and added that the sign would be black and white . MOTION by Mr . Montgomery May , seconded by Mr . Bernard Stanton : RESOLVED , that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca recommend and hereby does recommend to the Town Board approval of a variance to allow for a freestanding sign , reading " Indian Creek Antiques , Thur . - Sun . 12 : 00 - 5 : 30 ( arrow ) " , to be located on the property known as 1406 Trumansburg Road , owned by Celia and John Bowers , and FURTHER RESOLVED , that said sign not exceed 24 sq . ft . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Aron , May , Bronfenbrenner , Mazza , Grigorov , Stanton , Baker . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . DISCUSSION ITEM FOR NEXT PLANNING BOARD MEETING Chairman Aron stated that at its next meeting , July 1 , 1980 , the Planning Board would be discussing the Judd Falls Road / Ellis Hollow Road / Pine Tree Read intersection . ADJOURNMENT Upon Motion , Chairman Aron declared the June 3 , 1980 meeting of the • Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at 10 : 15 p . m . Respectfully submitted , Nancy M . Fuller , Secretary , Town of Ithaca Planning Board .