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Home My WebLink AboutPB Minutes 1976-11-16 f ' 4 TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD NOVEMBER 16 , 1976 A Meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board was held in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street , ( second floor ) , Ithaca , N . Y . , at 7 : 30 p . m . , on Tuesday , November 16 , 1976 . PRESENT : Chairman Barbara Holcomb , Richard Black , Liese Bronfenbrenner , Lawrence P . Fabbroni ( Planning Engineer/ Building Inspector ) . ALSO PRESENT : Richard Leonardo , Mr . and Mrs . Thomas Bell , . Tom Niederkorn . At 7 : 45 Mrs . Holcomb declared that no quorum was present , therefore , the two Public Hearings scheduled could not be legally held . INFORMAL DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED MODIFICATION OF LEONARDO SUBDIVISION , DANBY ROAD , Mr . Richard Leonardo was present and discussed the proposed modification of the subdivision plan that the Planning Board approved about four years ago . lie showed the original plan and presented the new modified plan . He noted that all of the lots have been enlarged . A road has been moved 60 ' to the West and two more lots have been added between Leonardo residence and Leona Street . He said that lot # 9 is impossible for building purposes and should be combined with lot # 8 to make one big lot , Lots # 1 , 2 , and 3 remain the same and lots # 4 , 5 , 6 , and 7 are changed . Leona Street has been changed and so there is no access to the back lands . Lots # 10 and 11 have been added . Mr . Black felt that there may be a problem with lots # 4 , 5 , 6 , and 7 with sewer . The elevation drops 10 feet . He suggested that if the house is set high enough , it should allow for gravity flow . Mr . Leonardo appreciated the suggestion . Mr . Leonardo said that the back lands are really undevelopable - they run right down into the Park . Mr . Black said that he did , not see any problems with the lots , but was curious about the frontage on Lots # 6 and 7 . It was determined that being on a corner , the lots would conform . Mrs . Holcomb stated that the consensus is that Mr . Leonardo will come back to the Board for a legal Public Hearing and that in the meantime he will look again at lots # 8 and 9 . She noted that Mr . Fabbroni has indicated that there is no problem with a single access to the back land . The Public Hearing was set for December 7 , 1976 . INFORMAL DISCUSSION OF THOMAS G . BELL PROPOSAL FOR SELF - SERVICE GASOLINE ISLAND AT BELL ' S CONVENIENCE FOODS , ELMIRA ROAD , Mr . and Mrs . Bell were present and stated that they would like to install a two -pump self - service gasoline island at their store on Route 13 . Their plan was presented with their application for a building permit . He said that the summer months comprise the majority of his business . He said that they would realize a percentage of the product sold from the oil company . He said it would be run on an inter - com set up . He said that there will be a canopy over the top of the island Planning Board - 2 - November 16 , 1976 for weather . He said that there is easy access . Mrs . Holcomb asked how many cars were originally approved for parking ? Mr . Bell said he thought 25 , Mrs . Holcomb asked if this proposal would impact his parking area ? Mr . Bell said it would not - - this is separate . Mrs . Holcomb requested that at the next Hearing when there is a quorum Mr . Bell delineate the parking . Mrs . Holcomb asked if there is a problem with zoning ? Mr . Fabbroni said there was no problem unless the Board knows something that he does not . Fie stated that he has been operating under the Zoning Board of Appeals opinion that commercial is allowed in a light industrial zone . Mr . Bell stated that it is anticipated that they would pump 50 , 000 gallons per month from November to April , and in the summer 78 , 000 gallons per month . He stated that they are in desperate of outside money . He stated that there would be no big sign - just " GAS " . He commented that it will be Gulf gas . Mrs . Holcomb requested that an opinion be sought again from the Zoning Board of Appeals . Mr . Black stated that he personally did not have any objection to this proposal at all . The Public Hearing was set for December 7 , 1976 . INFORMAL DISCUSSION OF PROPOSED SUBDIVISION TO BE KNOWN AS DEFOREST PARK DUBOIS ROAD , Mr . Tom Niederkorn was present and offered the Board a site plan ( preliminary ) for DeForest Park dated October 28 , 1976 . Mr . Niederkorn stated that no sewer or water lines serve the area . It is zoned R- 30 residential . He noted that conventional planning just would not work on the 97 acres of land . He said that they are proposing it lots of 2 - 1 / 4 acres up to 5 acres , the average being 3 - 1 / 2 acres . He indicated a looped road which has a steep grade of about 15 % . The project would be developed in stages . Lots 1 , 21 3 , 4 , 18 , 17 , 16 would be on a temporary hammerhead type road , Mr . Black commented that it looks very nice . There followed a lengthy discussion with the three Planning Board members and Mr . Fabbroni making several suggestions which were very helpful to Mr . Niederkorn . Mr . Niederkorn discussed an easement into the circle which would pro - vide a second egress to the Niemi property for the distant future . Mr . Niederkorn discussed an access permit for drainage ways and access to streams . Mr . Fabbroni wondered if in Phase 2 there would be an possibility of coming in from Happy Lane which ends about 80 ' to 100 ' from the boundary of Mr . VanEpps ' land . Mr . Fabbroni commented that the lower wooded part would make a nice park area . He noted that 100 of the total land area is about 8 acres . • Mr . Niederkorn and the members of the Planning Board exchanged ideas at some length and Mr . Niederkorn said he would work on these suggestions and ideas and return to the Board in a more formal manner at a later date . ADJOURNMENT - - the Meeting was adjourned at 9 : 55 p . m . Nancy M . Fuller , Secretary . PLANNING/ ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH CONSULTANTS 310 W. STATE STREET ITHACA NEW YORK 607 • 273 • 8280 14850 r October 29 , 1976 Mrs . Barbara Holcomb , Chairman Town of Ithaca Planning Board Town Office East Seneca Street Ithaca , New York 14850 Dear Barbara : Attached hereto is a Sketch Plan for a proposed subdivision known as DeForest Park . It is proposed that this be a large- lot sub- division to be built in stages with the first stage being at the western end of the parcel . In accordance with the suggestion of the Town subdivision regulations I would like to arrange for an informal meeting , as agent for Mr . George VanEpps , to discuss the strengths and weaknesses of this Sketch Plan . I will not be able to attend the regular meeting of the Planning Board on Monday , November 1 , but would be able to meet with you , Larry Fabbroni , and members of the Board at any con- venient time thereafter , I will call Larry next week to determine what arrangements can be made . Very truly yours , PLANNING / ENVIRONMENTAL RESEARCH CONSULTANTS Thomas Niederkorn TN : bj cc : George VanEpps t • AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING TOWN CLERK ' S OFFICE ITHACA , N . Y. I � Edward L . Bergen being duly sworn , say that I am the Town Clerk of the Town of Ithaca , Tompkins County , New York , that the following notice hasbeen duly posted on the sign board of the Town Clerk of the Town of Ithaca and that the notice has been duly published in the local newspaper : ( Ithaca Journal ) Notice of Public Hearings of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board on November 16 , 1976 , in Town Hall , 126 B . SeNeca , Ithan , N . Y . at the following times and on the following matters : 7 : 30 p . m . - Consideration of proposed modification of Leonardo Subdivision , ` Danby Rd . , Tax Parcels 6 - 37 - 1 - 20 . 2 , 20 . 5 , 20 . 6 , 20 . 71 20 . 8 , 20 . 9 and 20 . 10 , Town of Ithaca - 8 : 00 p . m . - Consideration of Thomas G . - Bell proposal or Self- Service Gasoline Island at Bell ' s Convenience Foods , Elmira Rd . , Tax Parcel 6 - 33 - 3 - 2 . 4 , Town eeeeee Ithaca . location of sign board used for posting ; Entrance to Town Office at 126 East Seneca Street , Ithaca , N . Y . Date of Posting ; November 10 , 1976 . Date of Publication ; November 12 , 1976 . Edward L . Bergen Town Clerk Town of Ithaca State of New York County of Tompkins SS . Town of Ithaca Sworn to before me this 15th day of November 19 76 NOTARY , GERTRUDE H. BERGEN i fjoffiry Public, State of New York at • No. 555278725 Chu Mied in Tompkins Cot ''berm Expires March 30, i9 t i f r L 46 1 �I I Friday, Nov. 129 1976 ITHACA JOURNAL 19 . TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS' TUESDAY, NOVEMBER- 16, -1976• ; f By direction of the Chairman of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HERE- BY GIVEN that Public Hearings will Ibe held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday , ' November 16, '1976, in Town Hall, 126 • East Seneca Street (second floor), Ithaca, N.Y. , at the following times and on the following matters : — 7 : 30 p:m. Consideration of proposed modification of Leonardo Subdivision, Danby Road, Tax Parcels 6-37-1-20.2, 20.5, 20.62 20.7, 20.81 20:9 and 20.10, Town of Ithaca. 8 : 00 p,m. Consideration of Thomas' G . Bell proposal for Self-Service „ Gasoline Island at Bell's Convenience' Foods, Elmira Road, Tax Parcel 6-33- ',3-2.4, Town of Ithaca. Said Planning Board will at said , times and said place hear all persons ' in support of such mattersor objec- tions thereto. Persons may appear by agent or in person. Edward L. Bergen Town Clerk " Town of Ithaca Dated : November 10, 1976 t Publish : November 12, 1976 • TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS TUESDAY , NOVEMBER 16 , 1976 By direction of the Chairman of the Planning Board , NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that Public Hearings will be held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday , November 16 , 1976 , in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street ( second floor ) , Ithaca , N . Y . , at the follow- ing times and on the following matters : 7 : 30 P . M . Consideration of proposed modification of Leonardo Subdivision , Danby Road , Tax Parcels 6 - 37 - 1 - 20 . 2 , 20 . 5 , 20 . 6 , 20 . 7 , 20 . 8 , 20 . 9 and 20 . 10 , Town of Ithaca . 8 : 00 P . M . Consideration of Thomas G . Bell proposal for Self - Service Gasoline Island at Bell ' s Convenience Foods , Elmira Road , Tax Parcel 6 - 33 - 3 - 2 . 4 , Town of Ithaca . Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all persons in support of such matters or objections thereto . Persons may appear by agent or in person . Edward L . Bergen Town Clerk Town of Ithaca Dated : November 10 , 1976 Publish : November 12 , 1976