HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 1970-11-24 'TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
November 24 , 1970
The regular meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board was
held Tuesday , November 24 , 1970 , in the Town of Ithaca offices , 108
E . Green Street , Ithaca , New York ,
Present : Chairman Barbara Holcomb , Robert Scanhell , Pobez
Christianson , eg Collins , Dan Baker , Sam S',l.ack , Peter. Frances-e
( Planning Consultant ) , David Cowan .
A motion was made by Robert Scannell to approve the minutes
of the September 22 meeting . Bob Christianson seconded the motion ,
and it was unanimously passed .
Before approving the minutes of the October 20 meeting , the
following corrections were recommended : ( 1 ) the spelling of the pro-
posed mobile home development should. be " Beatham " ( not Beaton- as
recorded in 'the minutes ) ; ( 2 ) The last sentence in thefourth parap-
graphon the Beatham Mobile .Home Development should be changed to
read that Mr . Beatham ' s proposal will be taken into consideration
after the new zoning ordinance goest into effect . - ( 3 ) The word
" screening." was misspelled in the section of the P &. 0 screening .
The minutes were then approved as corrected .
Kennilworth Associates : Discussion was, held about the proposed:
development y enni wor ssociates at the corner of Judd Falls and
Ellis Hollow Roads . The assumption is that municipal sewer service
will be available , and also that a sufficient water supply will be
available . There remains a question about .this since the developers
have changed their plans and now- intend. to -also construct multiple
residences ,
It was. decided that the Board would like an engineer ' s state-
ment that sufficient water will be available and also a statement
from the Health Board about the quality of this water . Barbara
Holcomb recommended that we also obtain a . defiriite statement ( prefer-
ably in A letter ) from the& City of Ithaca that they will provide &.9wor
service to this development .
A resident of the area stated that she and several other
residents of this particular area �are very displeased with the
quality of the shops to be housed in this development . Peter Fran -
cese explained that the Planning Board has no power to control the
shop ' s quality or to select the tenants in such a ' development . It
was pointed out that the Board should work toward having more archi -
tectural control in this and other similar situations .
It was pointed out that when the Planning Board changes the
. Zoning Ordinance ., it is on the basis of plans that were presented to
the Board,. When these plans are not adhered to , the change in zoning
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• should no longer be in effect . When there: is, a breach, of faith , any
previous action by the Board should: be rescinded .
Barbara Holcomb Volunteered to go through all .the old minuteg.
of the Planning Board and the Town . Board to..,see What Legal action. .was
taken on this project and will report at the :next Piairing. Board
meeting .
Peter Francese suggested,- that another .publ e ;hearing. on-. the:
Kennilworth Associates final plan be held at our next regularhy
scheduled meeting,. Sam Slack solmoved . The motion- was seconded by
Bob Scannell and unanimously passed ; This pub-lie hearing will be . 6n
Tuesday , December 15 , at 7 : 30 p . m .
Further discussion was held on the ;question of changes- made
in the `Kennilworth Development after ".t had been approved by -the.
Board . It was pointed out: that . although the. `Bo:ard cannot. 1e0nt'rol thae
tenants in such; a development.,. , the' ge-n_eral .char otet .Of' th'e proposal:
should remain the name as: orgi'nally presented to the 'Board and ci
zeas rat the public. hearing .:
A question was raised; ..about the., .road, problems that 4this
development may create . The road, will ;need: to :be changed to meet
increased traffic needs and to pre"vent it from beconing- a hazardous
area . Ben� Boynton reported, that° Kennilworth had looked into this
matter 'and had done (engineering work that had .been 'requested' of thein .
The entrances; were a3$o changed as _ ;request ed'.
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It was decided: to ;hold= further- di'scuss'ion until the- public
hearing, -at our next meeting ;
Cowan : David. Cowan ,, '7o6-ift, Officers -reported that screening
had almost immediately beenput up on the Ideman property as requested.
by the .Board: , He: as :still conferring. with- hdemax: on: the question of
planting trees-,:,.
Yaman Proposal : "Mr . Paul. Raman would like: to construct eight
;( 8 ); ap,artmen un -s on: aMrt axiinat�el one -half acre iof' land near the
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intersection .of .King ,R&, ' (,Wes'.t ) =and,. Danby Road :, The land is zoned
for c`ommerc'ial use .
Discussion was held on this. proposal .and• David Cowan pointed
out that according to the :Zoning Ordinance.,, ;such A. ;development can,be constructed since multiple housng: ean be built only in resi -
dential and/or agricultural districts . This area is presently zoned
commercial: and cannot be rezoned since it is less than 1/2 acre .
Therefore , residential housing cannot be built in this area .
A question was raised about the requirement of parking space's
for multiple residences . According to the present Zoning Ordinance ,
one parking space per unit is required . HOWever , under the new Zoning
Ordinance , 1 . 5 spaces per unit will be required .
Snowmobile legislation : According to legislation recently
passed by the State of 17e`w ®rklt snowmobile operation is prohibited
on all highways and Town roads unless specifically authorized by
individual municipalities : A particular town may specify certain
roads grid specific times which snowmobiles may operate on . This
must be passed by the Tow' Board : If no action is taken , snowmobile
operation is prohibited on all town roads and highways .
Snowmobiles are also prohibited on all private property un-
less permission has been given by the owner to use his property .
Robert Scannell recommended that we have snowmobile users
come in with a proposal stating what roads should be open for snow -
mobile operation based on such factors as traffic counts , etc . It
was reported that Mr . Schwan had received a letter from Mr . A . Adams
listing road recommendations bas.ed on discussion he had had with
snowmobile clubs .
Peter Francese will request that before any action is taken
by the Town Board on this matter they refer it to us for our recom4
mendations .
Discussion was held about the possible use of railroad right -
of- ways for snowmobilers and bicyclers . The Park Council is presently
pursuing uses of all right - of=ways .
It was reported that after January 1 , 1971 , snowmobiles will
no longer be considered a motor vehicle . Anyone over 14 years of age
will be allowed to operate a snowmobile , as well as anyone between-
the ages of 10 and 14 who has had a course in snowniabile Operation .
Snowmobile operators must carry liability insurance .
It was suggested that the Board also make recommendations of
time limit on snowmobile operation by specifyIng certain hours for
operation .
Discussion was held about the proposed new zoning ordinance .
It was decided to hold a special meeting for further discussion of
the ordinance on Tuesday , December 8 . This will be a working meeting
and will not be open to the public .
It was recommended by Barbara Holcomb that the Board meet at
7 : 30 for our regular meetings , but not schedule public hearings until
8 : 00 p . m . This will allow the Board time to do general work which is
often left to the end of the meeting .
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There was no report from the Recreation Board this month
since they had not had a meeting this month . '
. Peter Francese reported on the new ruling that the county
planner must approve any new zoning changes , with few exceptions .
If the county planner objects to some rezoning , it will take a_ 4 out
of 5 vote from the Town Board to over - ride his vote . ( Previously , a
3 out of 5 vote was required to rezone . )
The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 30 p . m .
Respectfully submitted ,
Charlene Lawson , Secretary
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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
November 24 , 1970
The regular meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board was held
Tuesday , November 24 , 1970 , in the Town of Ithaca offices , 108 E . Green
Street , Ithaca , New York .
Present : Chairman Barbara Holcomb , Robert Scannell , Robert Christian -
son , Ua'vid Cowan) Reg Collins , Dan Baker , Sam Slack , Peter Francese ( Planning
Consu tant ) .
A motion was made by Robert Scannell to approve the minutes of the
September 22 meeting . Bob Christianson seconded the motion , and it was
unanimously passed .
Before approving the minutes of the October 20 meeting , the following
corrections were recommended : ( 1 ) the spelling of the proposed mobile
home development should be " Beatham " ( not Beaton as recorded in the minutes ) ;
( 2 ) The last sentence in the fourth paragraph on the Beatham Mobile Home
Development should be changed to read that Mr . Beatham ' s proposal will be f
taken into consideration after the new zoning ordinance goes into effect .
( 3 ) The word " screening " was misspelled in the section of the P & C
screening .
The minutesAwere then approved as corrected .
Kenilworth Associates : Discussion was held about the proposed develop -
m ent by Kenilworth Associates at the corner . of Judd Falls and Ellis Hollow
Roads . The assumption is that municipal, sewer service will be available ,
and also that a sufficient water supply wyi, lll be available . There remains
a question about this since the Bevelopers,oPiave changed their plans a-nd—new m tf
intend to also construct multiple family residences .
It was decided that the Board would like - , na gi, r�eerIs statement that
sufficient water will be available and also a) " � from the F a �l .th -Bard a)
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u�tka-e-•q�-a- . ,, .. � ,, ,. . . Barbara Holcomb recommended that -a�- ads $
obtain a definite statement ( preferably in a letter ) from the City of Ithaca
that they will provide sewer service to this development .
A resident of the area stated that shedand several other residents of
this particular area are very displeased with the quality of the shops to
be housed in this development . Peter Francese explained that the Planning
Board has no power to control the shop ' s quality or to select the tenants in
such a development . It was pointed out that the Board should work toward
having more architectural control in this and other similar situations .
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It was pointed out that when the Planning Board -c rges - the -Zo g 1
-Zr44anc-e-, it is on the basis of plans that were presented to the Board .
When these plans are not , adhered to , -fie-c*a
L. . '. Fl `,hE—lPi� ks1 . e+ e.kc- mv%o %re, �� *6 JNe 1
t . W �, z„ . . e pis breach off` faith i,
,the Board should . 1-k was s ; . 1h `es \�-e_7 �4�� in � j \e � v-Fi) -ce c� eT; e � �avrS
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Barbara Holcomb volunteered to go through 1 th , - o 1. d ; minut SS of Jhe `rn'sva``�Qvslzv�i�
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Planning Board and the Town Board to see what 1-eg�—ate n -wa-s n on
project and will report at the next Planning Board meeting .
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Peter Francese suggested that another public hearing on the Kenil -
worth Associates final plan be held at our next regularly scheduled
meeting . Sam Slack so moved . The motion was seconded by Bob Scannell
and unanimously passed . This public hearing will be on Tuesday , December 5 ,
at 7 : 30 p . m .
Further discussion was held on the question of changes made in the
Kenilworth Development after it had been approved by the Board . It was
pointed out that although the Board cannot control the tenants in such a
development , the general character of the proposal should remain the same
as originally presented to the Board and citizens at the public hearing .
A question was raised about the road problems that this development
may create . The road will need to be changed to meet increased traffic
needs and to prevent it from becoming a hazardous area . Ben Boynton re -
ported that Kenilworth had looked into this . matter and had done engineering
40 work that had been requested of them . " ' The entrances were also changed as
r equested .
It was decided to hold further discussion until the public hearing
at our next meeting .
Cowan : David Cowan , Zonin Officer , reported that screening had almost
immediately been put up on the aAak property as requested by the Board .
He is still conferring with Ideman on the question of planting trees .
Yaman Proposal : Mr . Paul Yaman would like to construct eight ( 8 )
apartment units on approximately one - half acre of land near the inter -
section of King Rd . ( West ) and Danby Road . The land is zoned for commercial
use .
Discussion was held on this proposal and David Cowan pointed out that
according to the Zoning Ordinance , such a development cannot be constructed
since multiple housing can be built only in residential and / or agricultural
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districts . is area is presently zoned commercial and cannot be rezoned
since it is Tess than 1 / 2 acre . Therefore , r^ siden ti a g cannot be
built in this area . V-AU4, P1¢
A question was raised about the requirement of parking spaces for
multiple residences . According to the present Zoning Ordinance , 1 parking
space per unit is required . However , under the new Zoning Ordinance , 1 . 5
spaces per unit wti -be--req*4-ad .
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Snowmobile legislation : According to legislation recently passed by
the State of New York , snowmobile operation is prohibited on all highways
and Town roads unless specifically authorized by individual municipalities .
A particular town may specify certain roads and specific times which snow -
mobiles may operate on . This must be passed by the Town Board . If no
action is taken , snowmobile operation is prohibited on all town roads and
highways .
Snowmobiles are also prohibited on all private property unless per -
mission has been given by the owner to use his property .
Robert Scannell recommended that we have snowmobile users come in with
a proposal stating what roads should be open for snowmobile operation based
on such factors as traffic counts , etc . It was reported that Mr . Schwan
had received a letter from Mr . A . Adams listing road recommendations based
on discussion he had had with snowmobile clubs .
Peter Francese will request that before any action is taken by the Town
Board on this matter they refer it to -pis-. for ' ou r�recommendations .
Discussion was held about the possible use of railroad right - of -ways
for snowmobilers and bicyclers . The Park Council is presently pursuing
uses of all right - of -ways .
It was reported that after January 1 , 1971 , snowmobiles will no longer
be considered a motor vehicle . Anyone over 14 years of age will be allowed
to operate a snowmobile , as well as anyone between the ages of 10 and 14 who
has had a course in snowmobile operation . Snowmobile operators must carry
liability insurance .
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It was suggested that the Board also make recommendations of time limit
on snowmobile operation by specifying certain hours for operation .
Discussion was held about the proposed new zoning ordinance . It was
decided to hold a special meeting for further discussion of the ordinance
on Tuesday , December 8 . This will be a working meeting and will not be
open to the public .
It was recommended by Barbara Holcomb that the Board m
for our regular meetings , but not schedule public hearing T.Cof o
This will allow the Board time to do general work
which is often left to the end of the meeting,
There was not report from the Recreation Board this month , since they
had not had a meeting this month .
Peter Francese reported on the new ruling that the county planner
must approve any new zoning changes s . If the county
planner objects to some rezoning , it ill take a 4 out of 5 vote from the
Town Board to over - ride his vote . ( Pr iously, a 3 out of 5 vote was re-
q ui red to rezone . ) �. � �" } � * � 3 j � tS�d+`_�p , ` O
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The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 30 p . m . L
Respectfully submitted ,
Charlene Lawson , Secretary