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Town of Ulysses
Joint Master Plan / Planning Board Meeting
June 18, 1996
Present : Gail Zobawsky, Peter Penniman, Carolyn Duddleston, Ruth Kahn, Sue Poelvoorde,
David Tyler, Gregg Hoffinire, Joanne Molino , Katherine Stover, Alex Rachun
Also Present : Grace Wolf - from the Ttumansburg Free Press
The meeting came to order at 7 :30 pm e
Ms. Stover stated that she had been notified that the City and Town of Ithaca. are considering
selling water.They then discussed past plans for water development. She then noted that the area
zoned commercial now is 1 -2% ,25-30 acres . They then discussed the acreage zoned commercial
the acreage being used as such.
She then stated that Doug suggested the Commercial categories be broken down to make
different categories of commercial use. (Doug Austic had advised her that he was unable to attend
this meeting due to a death in the family.)
Ms.Poelvoorde then suggested that they work on identifying the categories and then define
them. She stated that she has some categories as examples from other communities that will help
in the decision making process and she read as follows ;
1 ) Agricultural Residential ( low, med, high density)
2) Recreational (park, tourism)
3 ) Open Space (conservation, steep slope ,right pf way corridor)
4) Commercial / Business ( Primary -large establishments, Secondary-office lodges, clubs
professional, Convenience-neighborhood such as Stop-n-Go)
5) Industrial
6) Institutional (schools, nursing homes)
7) Lake (primarily residential)
8) Mixed Use ( business , residential)
There was then a lengthy discussion on defining home occupation
Mr. Tyler stated that 1 1/2 years ago a redraft of theResidential nsandrtdhiat was
presented to the for
Town Board which could be helpful in making these
the members.
They then discussed the recreation category including parks, golfing, bowling etc . , as well as the
aspects of being a public or a private recreation area.
Mr. Penniman suggested that perhaps the terms public or private not be used because it is the
activity that is important not the ownership . He suggested that the Recreation areas have a high
level of activity and the Open Space conservation refer to the more protected areas .
Ms. Poelvoorde asked then if they could define the Recreation Areas as including public and
private areas where recreation is pursued?
Mr. Tyler noted that they should take the public out. That the reason that this category is
important is that if they are going to focus at all on recreation and tourism that this is the drawing
card and they may want to focus on the scope of recreational facilities that exist now and think
about ways to improve them.
Ms. Duddleston asked if an individual was interested in establishing a large pool and possibly a
gym that would be recreation but privately owned would the it be considered commercial?
Mr. Tyler answered that it would depend on their definitions, and his thought is that it would go
under Recreation.
Ms . Kahn then asked, if when defining Recreational areas would noise levels be a consideration?
Mr.Tyler then mentioned the possibility of using a special permit basis , and there was then a
discussion about the pros and cons of that option.
They then went on to discuss the definition of/ Recreational use and how to decide what
activities should be included. having
Mr. Hoffmire suggested using the term Public parks and. Recreation.the term urism can be confusing
Recreation as a subcategory under Commercial, and that using
Poelvoorde noted that in hearing that they should have a Recreational category under
Ms . category Open. ace
Commercial business , should they not then have a Recreational cate o whereas an Op Space
Conservation area would include Taughannock Park'? Yes that was agreed upon.
A conversation then began discussing the category of Commercial/ business and its sub
categories as follows :
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1 )Primary such as Shur. .-Save, Maguire Ford
2) Secondary-Drs. office, insurance, barber shop ,lodges, clubs
3) Convenience
4) Recreation
They then discussed using parking space, hours,and traffic from such to determine which
category they belonged in.
Mr. Tyler stated that it may be better to place the recreations in the areas that best suit their
needs not only in a recreational area. They then discussed the differentrecreational subjects and
their specific needs as far as location and uses .
Mr. Tyler noted that they need different intensities of Commercial Business .They then discussed
what wording to use such as primary, secondary or B- 1 , B-2 , B-3 and which would be better to
use.
A conversation then ensued concerning using the name (Business # 1 ) which would be the
lowest impact and what would be included in the categories, and that a low traffic threshold
would be important, concerning neighborhood enterprises
They then discussed home occupations, the definition of such and , the means of governing
which ones will bother the neighbors. For instance visual, and environmental impact such as body
shop or wood working shop.
Mr.Rachun then noted that if you limit the home occupation to inside the house you will
eliminate approx. 90% of them from the Town of Ulysses and that we want to encourage home
occupation. He then explained that in the zoning ordinances they target specific occupations that
are undesirable as a home occupation because of environmental problems etc.
Mr.Rachun then asked Mr.Tyler when the Master Plan Board finishes the zones B- 1 ,B-2,B3
then goes to the Planning Board what is the next step?
Mr.Tyler then answered that it does not go to the Planning Board that it will be a Town Board
decision. They then discussed the order of which the final decision making process and how it
works . Also mentioned briefly was the hierarchy and layering. As well as the problem of
combining areas that are zoned industrial and residential ( as an example) near each other and the
litigation that ensues between the two at times . They then discussed the difficulties in mapping the
categories with all of the blended areas .
Ms . Stover then stated that there will be a Town Board meeting next Tuesday at 7 : 30 pm. and it
was agreed that both groups should meet on that date to work together.
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It was then requested that the minutes of tonight meeting be generated for the meeting next
week.
Julie Kraus answered that they would be available by then.
They then discussed the changes to be made in the comprehensive land use plan and the need
for a glossary .
The meeting was concluded at 9 : 01 pm.
Respectfully Submitted;
Julie Kraus
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