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TOWN OF ULYSSES
MASTER PLAN COMMITTEE MEETING
TUESDAY , MARCH 16 , 1993
TOWN HALL
7 : 00 P . M .
P resent : Chairman , Gary Myers ; Committee Members : Judy
Cone , Ruth Kahn , David Laurie , Carl Mann Jr . ,
Joanne Moline , David Tyler and Secretary : Rox -
anne Smith .
Chairman Gary Myers called the meeting to order at 7 : 10
P . M . Gary requested everyone introduce themselves as there
were . newmembers present and many months had elapsed since
t he last Master Plan Committee meeting . The new members
o riginally had applied for the available Planning Board
position . More applications were received than positions
available . Through the interview process these new members
e xpressed interest in the Master Plan Committee and were
e ventually appointed to it .
Gary said a lot of basic background has been completed
in history , utilities , agriculture , open space , village ,
and school and is included in the Master Plan Draft 3 from
J une 22 , 1991 . He requested that 7 copies be made and dis -
t ributed to new members before the next meeting . Rcxann6
w ill get the copies to everyone . Gary continued by saying
t hat the Committee could do a lot of conversing . and spec -
u lating about where things should go but without an existing
zoning map they could not go much further . Gary stated that
the debate exists over whether the Comprehensive Plan should
be general or specific . From Gary ' s own experience in com -
prehensive plans the information is much broader and general .
All the Committee is responsible for is laying the foundation
for various development . The Planning Board and Torn Board
deal with specifics . David Tyler said that the Town Board
is responsible for re - zoning .
David stated that several copies of a land use plan
f or a little town up in the Adirondaks was left in the Mas -
ter Plan basket for everyone to consider . ( David Tyler is
t he C :n. airman for the Planning Board of the Town of Ulysses . )
H e gave Committee members a little background on what. the
Planning Board has ahead of them and their needs of the Come
mittee . Out of the Planning Board ' s deliberation over the
Auble parcel they recognized a desire to keep the Village
t he center of commerce in the Torn of Ulysses . They B2 came
into being to keep the Auble area a light duty commercial
district . The Pleasa. nt Grove Bed and Breakfast had submitted
a PIJD application . The Town Board would like the Planning
B oard to consider this as another B2 which David Tyler isn ' t
comfortable with . No real input has been received to consider
this though . The Zoning Ordinance needs to be updated . The
P lanning Board did not recommend the American Legion PUD .
They sent it back to the Town Board . The Town Hoard sent it
back and asked if the Planning Board wcul. :i consider emmendinc
the 'soni nq Ordinance to put soinethinq like the Legion in a
Residential Zone with a Special Permit . One of the Planning
B oard members suggested haying more than one Residential stone ..
P erhaps one could have a higher intensity . rut who should
decide where they go ? The Planning Board needs a road map
n tated David .
Gary stated that " genera ] . " could pertain to an area ,
n ot a specific parcel . Then you would not have to re - zone
the entire area ( as that changes property vatues ) . Phe
Comprehensive Plan could state that in a certain area a parcel
may be considered to be re - zoned as it meets the guidelines
stated .
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It was the general feeling of the original Master Plan
Committee that the Village was a hub and that it should be
kept that way . The Village Board has not shown an interest
in the Committee and has not shown up at any of the meetings .
If you look at the Village ' s Plan it is basically an exist -
ing land use , not changing anything within the Village . They
point to pieces outside , surrounding the Village . If it is
already Residential it ' s okay to add more . Auble is already
zoned , Seafuse ( Shur - Save ) is there , we ' ll let these be the
e xpansion of Commercial but the Village does not provide
water or services to help them .
D avid Tyler said the Village has trouble with their
infrastructure . Down the road they are expecting some big
capital expenses with their water system . Carl said they ' ve
n ever been bashful about raising the rates . Down the road
that may not be feasible stated David .
J udy queried whether any PUD ' s had ever been turned down ?
Auble didn ' t want a PUD as he wanted to be annexed to the Vil -
lage . David stated that Alex might know better than anyone
( zoning /building officer ) . Gary stated that there was a
consensus that if any of them had been challenged they may
w ell have been turned down ( like the American Legion ) .
G ary stated that John Czamanski was going to organize
all the background material . One way to arrive at the Com -
prehensive Plan with such a small committee would be to pro -
duce a basic map with different developments highlighted .
Next to the various developments would be a list of all the
pros and cons gleaned from public input and the Committee .
P erhaps 5 or 6 maps would be created originally to narrow it
down to the final map, The Committee has been waiting for
these maps to arrive . The process can now begin .
D avid Tyler mentioned an article from the Journal . A
pitch that has been around for a long time is that if you
increase your commercial development you will increase your
tax base and reduce the tax burden on the Residential property
owners . He hasn ' t always agreed with that . There is a good
argument for keeping farm land . ( He handed out copies to
members . ) Farm land won ' t necessarily stay Agriculture when
pressures come along . Perhaps the Town should be encouraged
t o make some financial incentives to keep land in an Agricul -
t ural zone . The purpose of this group is to make recommend -
ations and David stated it ' s important not to be shy about it .
J udy mentioned that many people have come to this area
who are horse based . They are not as interested in the infra -
structure of high retail as perhaps fiber optics . Carl quest -
ioned how these people would increase the tax base as their
h omes are not commercial businesses . Judy stated that what
would help would be what they spend in the community .
D avid stated that change is inevitable if you don ' t do
anything it ' s going to happen anyway . Why not decide how it
will happen ? Or , you will get another Long Island stated
J oanne .
The Committee looked at a copy of the Town of Ulysses
existing land use map . One thing that was discovered was
there was a difference between the zoning map and the exist -
ing land use map because a lot of the land that may be zoned
was not actually being used for that . A good example was an
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area in Jacksonville that was zoned B1 that actually has
houses on it . Some spot checking would be done . This is
a beginning , stated Gary . Some of this was done based on old
information . For instance the Shur Save was not on it .
Gary suggested that he will talk to Bill Hogan . He
would like 15 colored copies of the map by the next meeting .
The next Master Plan Committee meeting will be March 30 , 1993
at the Town Hall at 7 : 00P . M . The vocabulary must be the same
for everyone stated Ruth . We need definitions . Let ' s list
the basic recommendations , goals for this group said Gary .
David Tyler suggested the following zones : Agricultural ,
Rural Residential ( on large tracts ) , Traditional Residential
( 1 - 4 acres ) , Multi - Family Residential ( apartment houses ) ,
Light Traffic Business , more Intense Business Use ( shopping
centers ) and Industrial . Gary suggested in preparation for
the next meeting everyone take a stab at defining the areas .
The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 10 P . M .