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HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB Minutes 1990-11-20 TOM OF ITHACA SPECIAL TOWN BOARD MEETING November 20 , 1990 At a Special Meeting of the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca , Tompkins County , New York , held at the Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street , :Ithaca , New York , on th 20th day of November , 1990 , there were : PRESENT : Shirley Raffensperger , Supervisor Patricia Leary , Councilwoman David Klein , Councilman Frank Liguori , Councilman Catherine Valentino , Councilwoman ABSENT : John Whitcomb , Councilman Karl Niklas , Councilman ALSO PRESENT : Dan Walker , Town Engineer Noel Desch , Bolton Point Ted Wixom , Bolton Point PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE The Supervisor led the assemblage in the Pledge of Allegiance . DEMAND SIDE MANAGEMENT PRQTECT FOR BOLTON POINT Noel Desch stated that the RFP that NYSEG has put out has a rather formidable set of documents . Among the factors that they have in there is an economic risk factor , this is an economic risk to them . He stated that Bolton Point scored very high on the economic risk factor . He went on to say that among the type of projects they will look at they will get a wide variety of things from the manufacturers of electrical term storage equipment , hot water heaters , .industrial concerns that will be interested in changing their shift hours , all kinds of things . They are interested in economic risk , they are interested in performance assurance that whatever is going to be operating will perform in accordance with what we say in the bid . They are interested in customer relations factors , Environmental factors . Being the type of operation that we are , we score extremely well on all of those because obviously we are a service operation . All of those factors will be on the positive s:ide because environmentally it is a lot safer to build a couple of storage tanks than to build a power generating plant . The customer relations aspect is very straight forward , NYSEG gains because they don ' t have to talk with 25 , 000 customers to get the same benefit . Councilman Liguori asked , you are competing against who , other places that are using large blocks of power? Mr . Desch replied , in part . When we went to the workshop , NYSEG has something like three or four workshops and they sent us a list of all the participants in the workshop , and they included things like schools , industries , manufacturers . It is very hard to get a profile of what kind of mix they are likely to get in the way of bids . The minimum energy gain that you can put in a bid is 100 kw of demand power so that excludes some of the smaller manufacturers Town Board Minutes 2 November 20 , 1990 who might have a small line of equipment . It is very hard to tell if this whole adventure is going to be successful or not , he thought from reading their costs in relation to what other peoples costs will be to install equipment to accomplish the same amount of energy gain or energy shift , are quite modest . So he felt from that standpoint they will probably compete very well . Councilman Liguori remarked , you are not competing on a price basis your competing on a program that they are offering ? Mr . Desch replied , there is a whole list of criteria as to how they will rate these evaluations and they have a different level of score for one factor versus the other . Their cost will be a significant factor . Obviously , if the sponsor is paying for 100 % of the cost you will get an extremely high score on the price end of it but you might get a low score on the economic risk or zero for that matter . In a sense you are competing on price . Interestingly enough one of the concerns we had was what happens during negotiations . They have a formal negotiating period after they announce the initial award group , and one of the issues is do they try to cut their share of the bid in relation to your share . The way the bid is structured , there are not negotiations on the price bid . So if we go in with our figures , roughly a million eight , that would be their share and our share would be the same . That is not negotiable , that ' s the fixed figure and they say we are successful in the initial award group they won ' t try to negotiate that down to a million seven or a million six . Now they might try to argue on our numbers as to how much energy we say we are going to be able to shift to night time operations . He stated that he could imagine that happening because we are trying to make it conservative enough so that we don ' t have a problem from an operational standpoint . Mr . Desch went on to say that the announcement took place in July , we have been to these workshops and Lozier ' s have been working to identify what facilities we would need in order to accomplish all this energy shift during the off-peak period . The deadline for us to get the bid in is January 2nd . Lozier ' s is working on the final draft of their report which will pin down the number precisely . They and we , at this point , are very confident that the number of three million seven hundred fifty will be a firm number . The pay off period is fifteen years , that ' s the reason he had laid it out on the sheet . Everything in the way of debt under the current borrowing will disappear in 1996 . If we are successful and if everyone goes along with this as being a good idea , the Commission ' s share of the new capital project will be a of $ 230 , 000 a year which is reflected in the tailing off line to the right of the page . Our current benefit assessment of $ 250 , 000 could be stepped down to $ 230 , 000 and obviously there would be a major reduction in the water rate with respect to the fact that this debt that is in the water rate would no longer be needed . If we are unsuccessful in getting the bid with NYSEG we can expect to come back with bonding authority to accomplish the same improvements but our costs will be more like the dash line up above . In which case there would be a component of debt in the water rate that would be required , should that happen . As far as the sharing of the costs , the reason he gave the Board a table in the back with respect to next years benefit assessment is to show that in approximate terms if you took , instead of it being $ 250 , 000 , if you took $ 230 , 000 the shares of cost between the municipalities would be slightly lower than what you see here . In other words , the Town of Ithaca instead of being $ 132 , 000 to $ 133 , 000 would be more like $ 120 , 000 . There is also goring to be some slight shift in percentages because as you project out the growth in the different municipalities in water it ' s quite likely that the Town of Lansing will continue to grow as far as water use is concerned , a little higher as well as the Town Town Board Minutes 3 November 20 , 1990 of Dryden who are planning sane additional districts , etc . If we are successful , what you will see when we cane back is roughly these numbers with somewhat of a shifting . Probably Cayuga Heights going down , the Village of Lansing going down a little , the Town of Ithaca probably staying the same because it takes a lot of water consumption to make much of a shift in the numbers . In terms of the budgeted amount for benefit assessment it will be roughly like you are experiencing now, probably something like $ 10 , 000 to $ 15 , 000 lower . He stated that he had done sane projected water growth that show that probably now as the current percentage , for example the Town of Dryden is 3 . 475 , one could expect that to go up to 6 % . The Town of Lansing is beginning to level off , they are at 8 . 6 % and probably will go up to 10 % . The Village of Cayuga Heights would probably go down to 9 % from 120 , the Village of Lansing would probably go down from 22 . 7 % to 22 . 0% and the Town of Ithaca would go down very slightly . Supervisor Raffensperger remarked that one of the things Mr . Desch had said was that many of the improvements included in this are ones that will have to be made in the future anyhow and this is an opportunity to have some cost sharing from NYSEG . She asked if that was true of all of the elements of this ? Mr . Desch replied that like anything else there are ones that are more critical and the Town Engineer Dan Walker could probably tell the Board ,, from the standpoint of the Town , a little better than he could . Lozier ' s has done an assessment from the standpoint of storage throughout the system and the Burdick Hill Road tank is the critical tank in distribution network since all the other tanks in the system are supplied by it . The only area served by gravity by the Burdick Hill tank-, is the Oak Crest district . A sustained interruption in the supply to this tank would produce disastrous consequences to the entire area . There are a number of problems , one is that the average daily demand of the system is like 2 . 3 million gallons a day . Burdick Hill is a 1 . 5 million gallon storage , the actual usual capacity , according to Lozier ' s , is something like 1 . 1 million . There are also frequent days when the demand goes to 3 . 3 million gallons . If you do have a problem at the plant you really don ' t have any time to get back on line , you will depressurize the system fairly rapidly . Furthermore , there is no way to take the Burdick Hill tank out of service for painting which is a three to four week period . So fran the Burdick Hill tank standpoint , that ' s absolutely critical and will have to be dealt with in the near future by the Commission . Mr . Desch went on to say that when they first started out in this exercise they were looking at the placement of one sufficiently large tank on each hill to take care of this deficiency . Since the original project was cut back by about a million dollars , basically we have the Oak Crest pump station pumping against a dead end , the pressure reducing station at Pearsall Place . So that wastes a lot of energy and there is a lot of wear and tear on the pumps . So both the past needs and the needs to stabilize the system suggests that we not build one big tank at East Hill but rather build two tanks at roughly the same storage , one on East Hill and one on South Hill . South Hill is important because of the largest user in the entire system , namely Ithaca College . Probably within a five and certainly less than a ten year time frame the reliability of the Commission system is going to be at risk if we don ' t provide the capital improvements . Town Engineer Walker remarked , you stated that the Burdick Hill tank has a pretty limited service area as far as supplying by gravity other than the Oak Crest pump , he asked what was the basis for putting another million and a half storage there , wouldn ' t it Town Board Minutes 4 November 20 , 1990 be better to have it higher in the system for reliability purposes ? Couldn ' t the system be made to run with a half million storage ? Mr . Desch replied , for a short period of time you probably could . Lozier ' s looked at placing the new tank at a slightly higher elevation than the Burdick Hill tank just for that purpose , the way the pressure zone to the North is set , that even if you raised the Burdick Hill tank it still would not change the need to have the higher pressure zones in the Town of Lansing . Part of the problem is we will be doing all the pumping and treating in nine hours . That is the reason they are suggesting that the Burdick Hill capacity be 3 . 3 million gallons . The raw water pump station , the treatment plant including both the treatment process and the pumping out of the clear well to Burdick Hill , the drawing of the water out of Burdick Hill water tank with the Oak Crest pumps into the new storage tanks will all be done in a nine hour period , from 10 : 00 P . N.I . to 7 : 00 A . M . to take advantage of the off beat rate . One of the problems with the Oak Crest pump station , the proposal here , is to increase the pumping ability there in order to fill those two new tanks and in a nine hour period you would have to totally replace the pump station that is there and then that causes a problem because you have the transmission main that goes under Six Mile Creek that has a maximum design pressure of something like 350 PSI and if you did that you would end up with a pressure at that point that would exceed that . There is a happy medium , where YOU increase the pumping capacity at Oak Crest , you can fill those two new tanks in eleven hours so what we are putting in this bid is the fact that 9 / 11 ' s of the power that will be needed will be done on an off-peak basis , 2 / 11 ' s will be done on peak . The major benefits to all of the Bolton Point participants , not only in roughly $ 100 , 000 in energy savings but just the reliability that you gain . One of the things they have been looking at is what happens if you have a major power failure and your plant is down for a couple of days , right now they would not be able to operate . Basically with this level of storage going from less than a days capability to probably more like three and a half to four days . Councilman. Liguori asked if they had plugged anything into this on the probability that down the road the City of Ithaca might not want to rebuild their plant? Mr . Desch replied no , you can ' t , it doesn ' t have an effect . What would happen if the City formally approached the Commission tomorrow, what would we do with respect to these numbers here? They wouldn ' t change . What would happen , he expected , is that that additional load would be done on on-peak basis . Of course , studies would have to be done first . What we are looking at and the feature of the bidding process is that you are looking at current load that you can shift to off-peak , not future . The additional load , coming from the City , that could be shifted would be relatively small because you are already committed to a block of power , that means you are running on a steady basis during an off-peak basis and you aren ' t going to be able to add much more to it unless you build another additional bunch of storage tanks . Councilman Liguori asked , what are the odds that your proposal is going to be accepted? Mr . Desch replied , that he wished he knew . The Commission scores just about highest on all of these other factors that will be difficult for other entities to do just by the nature of the business we are into . In other words , our customers are already out there and NYSEG knows we are going to be in business fifteen years from now . That ' s a risk with the others that they have to weigh . Town Board Minutes 5 November 20 , 1990 Councilman Klein remarked the available funds fran NYSEG , assuming that they award , they share it? Mr . Desch replied , the Commission would borrow the hole three million seven hundred fifty thousand dollars a year , the maximum full debt service on that is sanething like four hundred sixty thousand a year . The Carunission funds would provide half of that . What we built into the bid is that NYSEG on January first of each year would pay their $ 230 , 000 so that we could invest that up to the period we had to make our interest and principal payment during the year . Councilman Klein asked , might NYSEG change their contribution ? Mr . Desch replied no , the negotiations exclude that . Are you saying they might want to pay it all up front ? Councilman Klein replied no , maybe they want to pay less than half . Mr . Desch replied , that ' s not negotiable once the bid is accepted . On the down side , they might reject the bid because it ' s either structured in a way they might not want to do it or because it ' s more than they might want to pay . But the scoring doesn ' t indicate that that is the case . If you look at the bid cost in relation to avoided cost we are less than their avoided cost by a canfortable margin so we should be all right . Councilman Klein asked ; what if the bids came in at four million instead of three and three quarters , are they still basing it on the original estimate ? Mr . Desch replied , they would agree to exactly what we put in , they would match it . There are a few tricks with that , with the maturity schedule that we are going in with , we want to make sure the interest rates don ' t cane in a lot higher than we are putting in for . Since it is a fixed bid the Canmission would end up having to pick up that margin so that is why we are using 7 1 / 4a interest for 15 years which is a relatively short borrowing . Councilman. Klein asked , are you ccmpeting against a total limit of capital projects , is it a dollar limit or just the top so many? Mr . Desch replied as far as he knew the only limit was on the minimum amount of energy that you are including , it has to be more than 100 kw . Councilman Klein replied , but they haven ' t said they were going to finance two projects or twenty projects ? Mr . Desch :replied no he didn ' t think so but he might be remembering wrong . There are about five pages of criteria that they are looking for in there because he wanted to make sure they weren ' t on one end or the other and likely to fall out because we were either too big or too small , or whatever . Councilman Klein remarked that he just wanted to make sure that if we went for it that there was obviously a good chance , it ' s one thing to score well but find out that they are only going to participate in one out of forty projects . Mr . Desch replied that he had been through the calculations about seven or eight times and he knows what happens if you try to go much higher your score drops off pretty rapidly as you approach that balance between award cost and bid cost . For example , he tried to put in 100 % of the interest during construction cost on NYSEG ' s share because that ' s when we are in an overlap period Town Board Minutes 6 November 20 , 1990 between the completion of our current debt and the start of the new debt but it doesn ' t work . You lose a score rather rapidly . Councilwcmian Leary left the meeting , at this time . Supervisor Raffensperger remarked , in that overlap period , as she understood the material she received , you do not anticipate that there will be any increase in the benefit levy or the water rate charge to the Town? Mr . Desch replied , that is right . Supervisor Raffensperger replied that she did want to mention to the Town Board that the financial plans for both the ' 87 and ' 89 water extensions in the Town anticipated a drop off in the benefit charges fran Bolton Point . Under this proposal it would not happen , therefore , our individual charges per unit would have to accommodate all of the capital improvements instead of part of them being off::)et by the decrease in the Bolton Point benefit levy . So that will have a financial impact on the Town . Councilman Klein remarked that what Noel Desch is saying , absent doing these improvements , the Town would be faced with participating in other capital projects . Mr . Desch remarked , the incidence would probably be greater . Supervisor Raffensperger stated that she was just saying that in reading the financial plans for the ' 87 and ' 89 water , when we were given the information about how we were going to pay for it , there was an assumption in there that the benefit levy from Bolton Point would drop off . There was no consideration of this kind of a project or any other capital improvements . Councilman. Klein asked , so then would there be a significant increase ? Supervisor Raffensperger replied , there would be an increase in the charges to Town residents . Councilman Klein remarked , because they are going to be burdened with the new 187 , 189 capital projects and they won ' t have the fall off of debt to offset , so we are going to see in two years , quite a peak . Supervisor Raffensperger replied , it isn ' t going to be just a two year because that decrease in the benefit levy presumably went through a long period so it was an integral part of how do you pay for the ' 8 '7 , 189 water improvements . Mr . Desch :remarked , the only thing about that is that in 196 , once the current debt is paid off , you ' ll get that portion of the debt that ' s included in the water rate back so there will be a water rate decrease . A person who is a user , won ' t be able to figure it out , but they will see that there is a wash between the two . He stated that if he happened to be the owner of a piece of vacant property who was paying benefit that doesn ' t use any water he would not see that wash take place . Councilwamui Valentino remarked , before this plan was put together how were we allotting in the budget for any capital improvements that needed to be done down the road? Supervisor Raffensperger asked , for Bolton Point? Councilman Valentino replied , yes . I Town Board Minutes 7 November 20 , 1990 Supervisor Raffensperger replied , the Commission was not at that point . Councilman Valentino asked , we weren ' t anticipating any capital improvements or we were just ignoring them? Mr . Desch replied , there has been anticipation of a lot of capital improvements the only problem is , when do you do them? The idea was that they have been trying to hold off until the current debt was paid off in 1996 . If the NYSEG thing doesn ' t cane through he was sure that that was what was going to happen . But with the NYSEG thing you have to be in operation November 30 , 1994 with the improvements so you can ' t avoid that roughly two year overlap . Councilwoman Valentino replied , the other alternative was that there wouldn ' t be any capital improvements until after this debt and then -we would have to start over again ? Councilman Klein remarked , after 1996 . Mr . Desch added , after ' 96 and then you would pay the full shot . Councilman Liguori remarked , if those extension pay off in terms that we get more custoners . . . . . . Supervisor Raffensperger added , that ' s pretty hard to cane by . We are not picking up enough units to pay the cost . Mr . Desch remarked , in 1997 the Town water debt falls off quite a bit but you got to get there . You are going to have a couple of years that: could potentially cause that to increase . Supervisoz. Raffensperger replied , for example in the ' 87 financial plan it was assumed that $ 15 . 00 per unit would come from a fall off in the Balton Point benefit levy . Now that ' s $ 15 . 00 that if this goes through will not fall off . In other words , $ 15 . 00 more will have to be charged . She went on to say that what the Board is being asked to do today is , however , to authorize Bolton Point to submit a bid . This does not mean that if what cotes back in this whole process doesn ' t make financial sense to the Commission or to the Town .Board of the Town of Ithaca that we must proceed , she asked if this was right? Mr . Desch replied what will happen is , if NYSEG should award the proposal then the Commission and the municipalities have another decision point to say it is a go or a no go and here is the structure of the debt taken on at that point . There is a date of March 6 to notify NYSEG if they want to accept . You will have an opportunity to look at the breakdown before the final acceptance . Councilwoman Valentino asked what kind of costs were being incurred to put this proposal together ? Mr . Desch replied , other than out of pocket operating costs , the only real cost are Lozier ' s study and that is a $ 25 , 000 cost . So in a sense that is the cost of developing the proposal . There will be some Commission legal costs to put the amendments to the agreement together but not a very large amount . Councilman Klein remarked , so we will have a chance to evaluate Lozier ' s full report . . . . Mr . Desch added , as well as the structure of intermunicipal agreement and the sharing of the costs . Town Board Minutes 8 November 20 , 1990 Councilman Klein replied , if we decided it was not as beneficial , at that point , as it seems now we could end it . Councilman Liguori remarked , the alternative that you suggested , if everything falls through with NYSEG that is a completely new issue and will be re-evaluated sometime later on . Mr . Desch agreed . He went on to say that if you stretched it you probably could get away with not painting Burdick Hill tank until 1997 , but we would rather not if we can avoid it . Supervisor Raffensperger noted a draft resolution in the back of the material . She stated that she only had one possible correction that being in the third paragraph where it says " the SCLIWC has received the engineering report " she noted that it was only preliminary and she would like that corrected . RESOLUTION NO . 209 Motion by Supervisor Raffensperger ; seconded by Councilman Liguori , WHEREAS , the Southern Cayuga Lake Intermunicipal Water Commission on August 1 , 1990 , filed a notice of intent to submit a Demand Side Management Project to NYSEG involving the construction of off-peak production and transmission facilities that would be necessary to enable the CcnT ussion to utilize 900 KW demand and 3 , 116 , 600 KWH of annual energy during off-peak periods for a nominal contract period of 15 years , and WHEREAS , the SCLIWC retained the firm of Lozier Engineers and Architects to prepare an engineering report defining the cost of facilities required and among other things assessing the risks of operating production and/or transmission facilities during off-peak periods , and WHEREAS , the SCLIWC has received the preliminary engineering report and evaluated its findings and by resolution adopted at its regular meeting on November 8 , 1990 recommends that the parties to the intermunicipal agreement authorize the Commission to submit a bid in accordance with the project description specified in Appendix A , NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca hereby authorize the Southern Cayuga Lake Intermunicipal Water Commission to submit a bid for 900 KW of Demand Side Management in accordance with the description 'in Appendix A , subject to the following conditions . The bid shall state as one of its conditions the following . Negotiations and arrangements for Comssi mi on member cost sharing will occur- following initial award group notification by NYSEG including public hearings to consider the specific amendments to the i.ntermiunicipal agreement . The Commission will be the lead agency for the preparation of such amendments . (Raffensperger , Klein , Liguori and Valentino voting Aye . Nays none ) . ASSOCIATION OF TOWNS MEETING Supervisor Raffensperger noted that the Association of Towns had sent the notice of the February meeting of the Association of Towns . We would very much like to get our reservations in early . She stated that she was sorry more Town Board members were not here but they would be called . What she needed to assess was which Town Town Board Minutes 9 November 20 , 1990 Board members wished to go to the meeting this year . It will be held February 17th to the 20th , as usual . Councilwc:man Valentino stated that she would like to go . Councilman Liguori asked the Supervisor how she was planning the meetings ? Supervisor Raffensperger replied that she thought that if you went every couple of years it was worthwhile . She went on to say that she had riot gone in a couple of years because she thought that if you went a couple of years in a row it feels as if it was the same meeting but if you go rather infrequently it feels as if you really do pick up some very interesting information . Councilman Liguori asked if they were always held in New York ? Supervisor Raffensperger commented that there have been some complaints about that because it is so expensive and they say it is the only place where there really are enough hotel rooms for as many people that cam . The Supervisor asked the Board members if they would like to express their desire to go . She went on to say that if we get too many people she would have to say we will have to give preference to those who did not go last year . Councilman Klein and Councilman Liguori expressed interest in attending the Association of Towns meeting . ADJOURN MIT The meeting was duly adjourned . Town C erk