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HomeMy WebLinkAbout1991-11-14TOWN BOARD MEETING PUBLIC HEARING NOVEMBER 14, 1991 PROPOSED CORTLAND ROAD WATER DISTRICT Supv Schuy called the meeting to cmirder at 7:00PM Supv Schug read the notice that was p+_tblished in the newspaper Concerning the proposed Cortland Rd water district. QUESTIONS AND /OR COMMENTS Atty Perkins - this is a hearing 1_1n a proposed map, plan and report which were filed with the Town Clerk establishing a water district which has the same boundaries as the existing Cortland Rd. sewer district. I n 1985 the town board passed a resolution subject to a permissive referendum which appropriated a sure of money to have a map, plan and report prepared for a much larger water district. That engineering study was prepared by Hunt Engineers and contemplated a grOlArid water s- ziurce of :supply. Several test wells were dug within the proposed water district and no adequate grournd water source was identified. Negotiations were on goring all Of this time with the Village of Dryden as another passible siDurce of water supply. Recently the village and tclv4ri entered into an agreement whereby the town on behalf of the water district can purchase water for the C� in 1 arid Rd water district. The town beard recently appropriated an additional sum of money to have a map, plan and report prepared on a reduced ® district. The source of water for this district would be from the Village of Dryden by contract. This area was targeted by the town several years ago for devel _ipmerit by zoning. Much of this property within the zone is either RC or% MA zone. Based on pl_tblic comment the town board can pass a pUbl is interest _order determining that it is in the pUbl is interest to:, establish the water district. In which case it wIDuld be an order adapted subject to a permissive referendum. The board could also decide that there is further work to be done can the proposal arid direct the engineer to revise the district at which time another public hearing would have to be held. George Schlecht - the soi_irce of the water supply would come from the Village of Dryden arid would be pumped to a 300,000 gallon tank located near Livermore Rd. This tank would met the storage requirements for this district and supply the increase in pressure to TC3 and the student housing project. At the intersection Of Lewis St. and Rt 38 would be an emergency interconnect to provide automatic Blow in case of a high fire demand. The fire flow meets the maximum recommendation by the insurance companies. Dr. Marti, President of TC3 - right now TC3 has adequate water pressure. With this proposed district it will cost the college $359001, 0q per year and will be very difficult for them to come up with the money in their budget. /5 T811-14-91 page Bob Ross, Dear, of College Services - over the years they have Oexpressed concerns about the water pressure i r, that it is adequate but it is marginal and they have log =oked for a variety of solutic-ins. With the formation of the water district and the amount of mcnney they have to liziok. at this and their responsibility to the taxpayers that support the college. They have been paying about $57500.00 per year for water from the Village of Dryden. If this water district goes through they will still be paying that cost plus the capitalization costs. They have also done feasibility studies on their own for water. Dori Triz mb l ey, represent advantage tl_, -the srhool cost. They are alsi_, rec the village. If this di additional carts. The 1 between TC3 and Dryden ing Dryden Cern district with eiving an adeq strict goes th ions share of Central School teal School - he can see no the amount that it will irate supply _if water from ri :lugh it will only incur the cost is distributed Karel West er l i ng - Owner of Little Creek Mobile Herne Park - his concern is not as much with the capital costs but with the cost of the water. The engineering study was talking about $3.00 per thousand. When you add that to his capital cost cif $6, X500. C)0 it came out to about $33,600.00 and if he divides that over his 100 10ts it is per month, many of which are having a hard time just paying their rent. He is paying over $30.00 per lot a rni_mt h now flzir sewer. This is one of the last affordable housing left because the people own their own homes. He wanted to go on record as being opposed. Tim Buhl, part owner of the Fairview Assoc, _ they have concerns about the cost that is involved. He would like the town bi_ard to take another look at the formula so that it is a More equitable split to all of the district. George Srhlecht - the town's objective was that since a MA Zone was formed was to find ways to ecim ? up with commercial g rcnwt h and to supply them with ample water. The town has been trying to keep up :in grant money and is keeping up _in the situation, Tim Buhl _ one third of the parcels that are is vacant land. Existing developed properties the bill for a high pressure zone with a much than just this district. Tf this does g.• forw asking for is to look at the formula to make stands right now they are opposed to this pro going to be served are really fr. iot ing larder service area and all they are it equal. As it posed district. Rizin Palmer, owner of Mott Rd. trailer park - agreed with everything that Karel Westerling has stated and he is opposed to this district. He has very goad water and water pressure in his park. Carl Taylor, Mott Rd. - wanted to know if there was any hardship ® cased in this prop_ised water district where people do not have adequate water. TN 1 1 -14 -91 page 3 Supv Schug - there are some places that do rnr_it have very good water. Joan Curtiss - the Tompkins County Trust Company does not have adequate water or gcicod water. Michael Cane - does retroactive refereed referendum on its or college and the high particular the long the town board have the option of a urn without waiting for a permissive der. How are the actual water cost_s for the school affected by the district. In terra contracts that they have. Supv Schug -- the long term cizintrar_ts would be honored by both the village and the to =wn. Atty Perkins - the town board does not have the option of putting it directly to_, referendum. It takes a petition to trigger a referendum, which is 5 percent of the district. Clifford Norte, resident and school board member . the school district will only have one vote, but all of the taxpayers in the town will be supporting this project with their tax money. This will be about $309000.00 that they will be taken away from educatic-in. If the district does go thri.mough he does not see where it will enhance educat icm in, therefo_ore he is opposed. John Dedrick, owner of Dedrick Fruit Stand -- he has his own water supply and is adequate for him so he is opposed to this district. Ed Bell, owner if Bell's Auto - he is concerned about the formula and is opposed to the district. George Schlecht - this is a prt,iposed benefit formula, and is one of rnany that they have 1i_,oked at and reviewed with the town board. This formula is based •.-in pipe footage, area of the property, assessed valUcIt il.m in, consumpt i _1n units, (which is the same units that you are paying as part of the sewer district). This has its own formula that Ed is referring to and it terms of consistency it was iricli.tded in this formula. The fifth column was vacant loot unit which was met to recognize in the boards opinion that a vacant commercial lot that does riot otherwise have water will now have water and is benefiting in a greater proportion than someizne why, already has are existing well. Roger Hatfield - there are 54 landowners and if you divide this O'At is comes Coot to about $25,inoO.00 per landowner. This is quite a cost to run some pipe � C)o feet f eir $259000.00. Where is all the money going, has this been bid c.ut already? Supv Schug - this is just the map, plan and report and nothing has been bid. This is just an estimate. u /5�rl T`811-14- -91 page 4 George Schlec:ht - the total cc) informational meeting. The fir • and the one we have today was council. The construction cost t be cr,lnservat i ve 1 y estimated can not qo over that figure, St has not changed st year payment was a recc,rnmendat i.on fr s, engineering admi high because if t h fro =lm the last revised by me om the bond nistrat ior, tend is is adapted we Roger Hatfield - can riot see a big benefit at this paint and is opposed to the district. Karel Westerl ing - at the first meeting it was his impression that the reason for the district was the fact that both the school and TC3 really needed the water. At this meeting apparently that is not the case. Supv Schuq - it wasn't so much the high schooll but when they were looking and talking about a middle school and the need for more water, and TC3 does have a pro_oblem with pressure. You could say that the problem could be mitigated by putting in another pump. TC3 has a pro: blem and we have addressed that pri_iblem and they were interested until they looked at the page that was sent out and the numbers carne Out. It is a big bill, but TC3 nor the Dryden High School contribute any tax to the town. It is all tax free land and they would be in a benefit district, therefore they would have to pay. There was a limit of interest previcii.tsly from TC3 and riot as much from the high sch oo l . is Karel Westerl.i.ng - the reason he brought this up was the major need was for TC3 and the high school. In fact, they needed the water arid, everybody here that was against it felt a little guilty that they were going against the twos schor_sls just because the residents did not want to pay for it. His feeling now is that it does not make sense since neither of the schools are interested and =on 1 y one person or one i nst i t ut i rin is interested in the affirmative and everybody at both meetings other than that one has been against it. The only way to derail it is by a permissive referendum. Supv Schurl - the town board is only trying to get input. None of the beard members live in that district, but have heard reg1.Lests for doing a study. Tim Buhl -- they feel that it is expensive for what they will get back,. There may be other alternatives. Les Cleland - his cobservat for this arid there are oth You will be.? spreading two :, two counties. YOU are ask. i the residents of Tompkins operating expense for a pu they pass out to the taxpa Trumarisburg, Marathon, and ion is that some people will pay once ers that will pay twice or three times. thirds of the cost of this project over ng the residents f Cortland Cc-runty and C_Unty to pay for this project. An blic institution will be a part of what yers ire the two courities. The people in pe,iple in two counties who have no l(a TB11- 1` +--91 page 5 knowledge about this, will be asked to pay for this through their Otaxes. The residents of the school district will be asked to pay twice, once through the town and -.,rice through the school. The residents of the water district will pay three times. If you add that up you will see those that will benefit the most will pay the least and that is the vacant property owners of the district. They are the ores to benefit most fri,mi this project. He dies not think that this is the kind of project YOU want to get involved in. We have seem to much _if that and here is an opportunity in what you are hearing tonight from the people. Clifford Norte -- he will be attending a school beard meeting Monday night and will bring this information to them and will let the town b_iard know what their feelings are toward the district. Bill Raynor, representing TC3 as a t know at this paint if the town board drawing beard and 1 rook at the a 1 t errs another public hearing prior to movi and having a referendura, rList ee - he would like to is willing to go back to the atives and then proceed with ng forth with this proposal Clm Corrigan - the board has presented a proposal tonight and does not mean that everyone on the board will vote to put the district in. The referendum only occurs after that vote has taken place and this may not happen. Supv Schug - ariye.nne that is in the district will be notified as to what is happening and as it pr_1gressea or if it is voted dawn. It can be voted dawn by the town board based on what we have heard tonight. He has heard en'Z'ugh interest from a couple of people to talk, and maybe find another alternative. George Schlecht - he would like ti,i ask everyone tv "., think that if the district is reduced he would welcome suggestions on how people who are then outside this district and not pay, when 19 years from now they have water problems and the people inside the district who are paying for it are treated fairly. Les Cleland -- he thinks there is a way of doing it and if it is to be extended it could be done on a c_ist basis to the people who want ti_, apply fc_r it. Clifford Norte - there is no way of knowing what scimeories well is going to be 10 years from ncnw, but what about the village they might riot have a never ending supply of water either, Supv Schug - the only gizood supply of water is from Bolton Point. It would be a natural progression to bring the water oi.it this far from Bolton point fi -zir this district and probably the village rather than to depend on ground water wells. 0 /(4p/ ❑r TbII1 14 -51 page 6 Les Cleland - st_,me time ago there was discussio .min of this and wondered about annexing this portion of the town to the village and in -that rase the property owners would pay no more than the village is paying. He wondered if this has been considered and if this has been pursued? Supv Schug - yes it has, but you would still be paying for the capital casts for the extension. Les Cleland - are you saying that the system is -the absolute essential system to serve this area and rtathing less even though the two current major users are receiving what appears to be adequate service at this time. Are you saying this is the absolute minimUm systern that can serve the needs .-if this area. Supv Schug - absolutely not. Atty Perkins - those two users also depend l.in contracts for their water and those contracts have an expiration date. If they are in the water district they will be guaranteed water from some place. Michael Lane - the cost of water if it were in the village would be single rate instead of the rate and one half. Supv Schug - the cizzist of the water is a small part of the pry, j ect . George Schlecht - if this property was annexed into the village there would be a small cost savings because the line which gees to TCU dawn to North St. could be eliminated. The reasizin the line is there now is because of the contract with the village. Closed public hearing" Susanne Lloyd Town Clerk. 64 1Opm /6 z