HomeMy WebLinkAbout1990-12-06PUE ;L I C HEAR I NS #1
DECEMBER G, 1994)
General Lam l i n1 i t ed Ent. Corp,
S Lr pv SCh U q ca 1 1 ed the meeting to order at 7 : OOPM
9upv Schug read the ril =itiee that was published in the newspaper to
c.- resider the applicatii�irj of David Jilson (copy in mi.ani.tte book)
QUESTIONS !AND /OR C41D MENTS
Dave Jilson -° right now he iE d
architects as a consulting errigi
from Sarby Mullen and i a interes
Working izzin a patent now in the
a lot of pewiple regardinq thing
like to open a new product star
L:�ortis i q nmerit , This is nizzit a high
orr l Y be a riewa prod uc :A slml owaroom.
oi�rc� CIr`�ft ir•�
ner"r�. He h,i�i
terl in devea,
game Categor
s that they
e where: he e
vIDIUFrre prod
and working with
rented a bi�ti lding
oiling pr^i= iducts. He Asp
y. He hz5 spoken with
have made and he would
an sell these on
uct place and will
Clm Roberts - the applxc,�;tion states retail c, f new iterils and
wa+orteiere d what it would consist tof4 also w.-in6ereci About paper
products.
]Jags
P,now
wouI
try i
it t
J i I E3,o n° it i
how to e:lassi
d like t shoyw
r,q to rear ^k.est 'G
herem
s art the cirder^ of a gift
fy it. The paper product
a book. He hae just wri
t 5o when the store oper-,
store and wizziuld not
s would be Ruthors that
tten a bank grid he is
s he plans or, putting
Cim Ci= irrigar, - in the application it states there will be G
emp1Qyees.
Dave Jilson - that would be in the future if this is app+~, :,ved and
everything goes well.
Sopv Sehug WRrited to know if there was enough parking space
available''
Z. G. Slater% " yes there 15.
Qlnj Wal6ridge � wanted to k,nt)wa the amrli_trit of traffic there would
be rover a day.
Dave Ji le,rr -° he would eXCept abi911Ut 10 at the noost during a day.
Letter frQrn lOUnty Pliir,rr,xnq " c0PY in rrrinute book.
Dave Jilson - he had planned on p Lk-L t i rtg in z =ine way not ranee arid
exiting to Liver ;riiare Rd.
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Ithaca T,�.Er•n�1 I ewcm;
123 W. state St rAec t
Ithaca, New Yzkik
A t t ri : Dclloina Cm t%, l._E+t a l nci s
PLP-ASF PUBLISH tF7e fcF].,T,lzlwing LEOCIL„ l%JC)TTCr-1 1-I� a.�z0er1 #:IMar1, FF�.mnY
Novemburn hf, 1190 and hill tl7e Ta.:rwry 17, f= I�r }�cierr.
PLEASE TAKE NOTICE-- t Pi Zt the l-oWn Po4ti
wi.1.1 hm!n.ld 9 puhlic, herir,iriq t+ �' rrsicle
per_zaI �'4?k °rni.t f��1 -.rri David F3. ,Ji 1i�;K?n Q
Eritc 1prLxse,.�, Cck'i Irjrid l = ;td, ra_ >c ;L
est4031 ish a 1 igFj-� 4-Assembly alnd r,Jp3tai, I
Pr ~rdurtm withirti fir, e €i. ;xtirp ll c. °rilrilE±t c i <mk
Gnk�t Z ar�rJ Ftud s a, t e.
r'd Of the_ Town c.i" l)r•yrf€mi•
.F �cw- �er�a,l IJr�.ta,mi�rd
1:L�M I')r ~fiery, Ncw Yr.1•�Gr. �,;,
J t1^ra1,;�aYl3 at tJ•pi.p
SAID HEARING w.i.l.l he rreli� ��ka 7'F��JJ��D�IY bE +�;er�ila��^ �,tI,* i'��[.� ;,h, 7: €:�i�
P. 1+7, pr ~evai�ir,q tirrl 4 t the !}r ycf r� 'r; Vjr•, kiaZl S F M 4L.1 xri qtr rrF =i
l r•yd�?rl, New Yank, at which time �.l i a.rrter�eiz tpri Far?k "saM�s ��+i l l PZ F
given are npp�,rmt�.Rrit tP? bP heak4r.I. F'ek•� r may appma1, ii, F� t'r�` ;� =,� -,
b agent.
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DATED: Novpiak3e1% l G t h,
1-?':-'MlY M. ,Slater;
Zoning offie+*k�
Town, of L' }r'•yden
TB 12- 6 -90
page P
Gerald
J i 1
SLior' man -
once he gets e tabl fished is this going to he
opQi)
to
any type
cif boob as what happened before with the adult
book
store,
was
considering
Dave
J i 1
scjr
- he
Would
not
be
interested i n ar,y books of that
type
he
was
considering
books
late
on sports. He had written a batik on
bawling
hours.
and
ni-iw
plans
a book
1 =1ri Igolf.
Clm Walbridge - wanted to krii -iw what hCIurs he considiztlrred on being
open_
Dave
Jilson
W
he
would
like
9AM
doors
not
f -iresee
any
late
hours.
Closed public heaririq
to 5PM and maybe on weekends. He
PUOLIC HE=ARINS #2
DECEMgER 61 1990
proposed Li =cal Law 02 - 1390
supv Schuq - read the notice that Was published in the newspaper
to corsider wI oposed Local Law #a, 1990 (copy in minute book)
QUESTIONS AND/OR COMMENTS
Robert Leech m- wa7rits to know how a survey will change any immif the
1Zt4Rternents in this proposed 1 oca 1 law, He has 6 acres of land on
crie lot' and went to ZELGA fc;r a variance sin that he could bl-� iG ld a
second dwal l ing. Whether or rict that is sur a ed} B) often the
second or sUbsegUent structures with dwelling units are Used fOr
rental purposes, - he did ni_it think that this was anyones darn
bus a,ness as t _a whether it is used for a r`eirjta 1 purposq i .-fir if it
is a vacation home. C} such second or Subsequent dwelling are
Often not served by public water, sewer or roads - hitiw was the
first one served znd what iS gi =iiirlg to change that if it is
sur °veyvd. How about emergaracy vehicles, what is thy: survey going
to dry abc-lut that, there is ril= ithing tied in with th8t. E) what is
a survey going to do about ,kdequate a�Cess, waist' or sewer
services, he is wasting his time goiLn g ors herLm and wants Sii:DmaQne
to answer these.
Gi_[pv schlxg T whermr_+ di yrlra set that it has to be sL&jrveyed.
Rizibert Keech if y:,lmk have it Surveyed than you have a 1=it. He
wi,{,uld have to have Gsrzirge corile and survey this and make another
lot so they arm legal. He will 'ni=it be legal if this bLacomrys a law
of brmaking up the parcel. He wariti:i the answer to this question.
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James W. Hanson, Jr.
Commissioner of Planning
T6MP AS.= ' ounty
DEPA x`11 ENT F PLANNIN 1.
Rigos Pluildi ig A, 361,Harris S. x }ates Drive
Ilheca, T" i'iSrk-149 0.r
M E Al A R A N D U M
T0: Henry M. Slater., Zoning Officer, Town of, T?ryden
FROM: ,lames Hanson, Commissioner of Plannin�
RE: Zoning Review Pursuant to Section 239 -1 and —m of the New York State
General Municipal Law.
DATE: November, 30, 1990
Proposed di.scretionay action:
SPECIAL PERMIT REVIEW of Application by General Retail Enterprises Corp_ at
298 Cortland Eoad, Dryden, NY. '
Tax Map. No. 36- 1.12.1
Telephone
(607) 274 -5360
This Memorandum acknowledges your referral of the proposal identified above for
review and comment by the County Planning Department.
ZONING REVIEW, pursuant to New York General Municipal Law, Section 239 -1 and —m.
'l'he Proposal as subroitred will have no significant deleterious impact on intercom -
murlity, County or state i- nterests. Therefore, no recommendation is indicated by
the County Planning Department and you are free to act without prejudice.
However, in reviewing the Site Plan we see some potential. confli -et of traffic
entering and leaving the ;xte. Our suggestion is that only right turns be permitted
from Rt. 13 onto the site. we will be glad to assist the developer in this natter,
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Copy: file
toRof. 'r lrrf �arrf�pr
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NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
ON PROPOSED LOCATE LAW 000 2 OF THE YEAR 1990
LEGAL NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that the Town Hoard of the Town
of Dryden will hold a Public hearing at the Town Hall, 65 East Main
Street, Dryden, New York, on the 6th day of December, 1990, at 7:45
o'clock P,M. prevalling time, to hear all interested parties and
citizens for or against the proposed Local Law which would provide
for the regillation of the use of parcels of land for no more than
one structure with dwelling units. The text of said Local Law is
as follows:
1. Findings. The Town Board of the Town of Dryden hereby finds
) That some parcels of land within the Town have had
constructed on then more than one (1) structure with dwelling
units;
B)
often
the
second or
subsequent structures with dwelling
units
are used
for rental
purposes;
O) Such second or subsequent dwellings are often not served
by public water, public sewer or public roads;
D) The privately maintained driveways or accesses to these
dwellings units are often insufficient for emergency vehicles
toand are poorly maintained by the owners or landlords;
E) Allowing multiple structures to be used for dwelling
purposes can one panel of land may lead to difficulty in the
future where provision had not been made adequate access,
water acrvice and sewer service,
F) The construction of multiple structures on a single
pax-aal of land has lead to }problems in identifying the
addzvesses of such $ tructures for emergency purposes as well as
for other purposes;
G) Multiple structures on one parcel of land are now
permitted under the Town of Dryden Zoning ordinance without
obtaining subdivision approval;
H) The orderly development of land within the Town and the
health, safety and welfare of its residents and occupants of
structures depend on complete and thorough analysis of the
impacts of the construction of multiple structures on one
parcel of land including adequate provisions for water, sewage
disposal., drainage, access, traffic flow, density and other
erviranmental impacts associated with such construction.
1) This Local Law is adopted to protect the health, safety
and wrelfare c all residents of the Town of Dryden and to
promote the orderly and appropriate growth and development of
the Town and to regulate the density of parcels of land.
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2. Definition. For the purposes of this Local Law, a parcel of
land shall be deemed a tax asap parcel as shown by the official
Town of Dryden Tax Maprp.
3. PKobibition. Anything in any other Local Law, Ordinance,
Rule, Regulation or Requirement of the Town of Dryden to the
contrary notwithstanding, no parcel of land shall contain more
than one (1) structure with dwelling units.
4. Kaxiance. Any person, fire, partnership, corporation, or
entity aggrieved by the application of the provisions of this
Local Law may apply to the Town of Dryden Zoning Board of
Appeals for a use variance from the provisions of this Local
Law.
54 _Effective Date. This Local Law shall take effect upon its
adoption and filing as provided by law.
'own Board of the Town of Dryden
by r-
Susanne Lloyd, Town
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HOMEJ3�11I-DF A%SQCIATI0NN of Tom PKI S ORTLAND C09S
— 1465 k1F.C_KLENBURG ROAD.. ITFIACA, !\JI W YOKK 14850
113A
VOTE
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COUNTY
FR.OPO
ED
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#2
TEN REASONS '1'o
VOTE
NO
ON
FR.OPO
ED
LOCAL
LAW
#2
REQUIRING
A
VARIANCE FROM 'r
ME BZA
ANY
TIME
A
SECOND
developers
DWELLING
4nd
IS
PLACED
ON
A lapT
our
right
to
affordable
1+ Tf•t4�, decision
appropriate growth
the hands of a
Appeals
for determining
and
select
development
few
members
what
is
of the
of I:Eie
an
`]'own,
Board
" ...
or.,derlu
, " will
of Zoning
and
be iri
2. Potential danger exXstw that only housing for the wealthyv
and widdle class will be consi,dez•ed appropriate
3.
The
proposal
proposed
represents
law
is
an
a
for
home
owners
and
developers
housing Measure
4nd
wi,J.J.
limit
costly and elaborate prrocedure
4,
The
proposed
law
is
an
anti
affordabie
housing Measure
4nd
wi,J.J.
limit
our
right
to
affordable
housing
5. No demonstrated need for this law ex:Lsts
6. Existing local and shire laws and building codes already
regulate horsing in an equitable not arbitrary fashion
7.
More regulations mead mode costly housing for -the public
S. Board of Zoning Appeals would have the sole authority to
determine if a second dwelling is appropriate to ",,.the
orderly development of land within the mown. , ."
9. The proposed law offers an sir.bitrary approach to the
question of zoning issues
10. Zoning issues need to he addressed as part of the entire
Picture of land use, not, as a piecemeal solution to
individual, case problems
at 4T 111114
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TLS 12 -6 9() page 3
Bruno Schickel - rneraber =if the Homebuilderc� Assn +c. of
Tompkins/Cortland Co, Also a membear of To.mpkihs Cinurity affordable
advisory heard. He gave the board members a copy 1 :1f the reascir,s
to vent a no on the pv'oprrsed lcica l law. (copy i n Minute boom)
Brvno Schickel - there are going to be additional tests Incurred
tri d somethirlrl that he has a right tl,l do at the present time. He
is cor+cerned Fkbrziut affordable housing and dries not see,* any
demonstrated rased for the law to exist, YtiiFa r•�felr L�=, e.hMeT^gency
vehicle,, water arid sewer accassn ghat is the difference between
an crfleTg9VnCy vehicle netting to �Fk house that has a 400 fart
driveway that is not mairitai,ned ci-impared to a sil.r. ation 11ke
this. He dries not see a di'Ffe:rmencinm� there. The gLLe %Sticrr Of the
access for water and sewer;, ycu carp prat a water t�Lrid sewer pipe
anywhere and does not see this as 4 serious iSSLLe here. The
existing state and heal laws already regulate hi�,.k5ing and they
feel that they are adequate arid day not need an arbitrary law to
augment that. More regul�ktl0rre meal, mF_ire costly htiousing. Every
little thing that is piled izin c_iroes at a crlr�t and the qu+astion
is, is it worth it. He understands that this proposed raw is a
response t o a spsc i f in problem. em. This takes a very broad brush and
Paints a Very limited problem. He wc,uld SU.q.qO3t that there are
much rnor•in offeative ways to saslve the individual probierms that
exist and would enceur8ge thy+ board to des this. You shOLLI f be
looking for ways tizzy decrease the cost of h LLSinq. -this is the
f urid �trneni: a l responsibility of town g r_ivernmerrt wh i oh has sip l e
grower over land U15P r991.1 l at ions to have ways in which we taro
bring the hiziusing costs down. If we have a pvr oblehl then, lets
solve it in 4�k specific and limited way as possible.
Roger' Beek - wanted to know if this proposed law was drafted by
the full town bi:ard and then presented for a public hearing. When,
he read though the notice �Fkrid took a look at the findings, he was
appalled that sinrrle part of the land in the town was cilr,structed
with rncrl= than °trig dwelling unit and wanted to know if this was a
problem. Does the bi rd corrskder this to be something wrong.
There are a lot Of parcels of land that have mitre than one.
dwelling unit on it. Are theg,;e findings supPinsed to b4� problems
in the ccmmurrity?
Clm Walbridge - we are not �,Ffermri,rig to 8 house that has an
a part anent iv) i t . It is t wiD se par at c structures and there are
certain, individuals in tine towrF whi_, ar-e having sizeable rental
u nFits and getting around regulations by having it on r_ane parcel..
Roger Beck - is t
to what the pr'cbl
hi;1101,se he assumes
land has tit be zw
beyiwind this is h at
L JA
hat treat
�'Rl of tha
they W I 1
red for° t
he is not
ing
t i
ha
h it
S@
pri°,In1C:msl' He cannot get a grasp as
s. If they are building an apartment
ve ti =i get a building permit anti the
kirFd Of ijse. Is theyLe sCImeth r
Ing
i n _q F
CRV
T812 -6 -90 page 4
Supv
devel,lped
SchuR
- there
with
are
poor drfve%ways
prwlblVFaS with
and
arias that
peoplim buying
are
have
the houses
been
and
then
wanting
the
town to
plow the
road later
-in
finding
out that
the
ti-iwn
how
dries
riot own the
road and
wam rever
bA_illt
to
be i-irie.
Roger Beek - if somerorie chooses ti buy a h0use that is not on a
town rciad then that would be a matter~ hintwei:,�ri thAt indi idval. arid
the person he bought the Ftieuae front. This ehould not have to be
town bueiness. If he chose ti buy a hO�J,e thzt is net served by a
town roars then he wiiziuld have ti_, For °ril some errarigenje ,t with the
appropriate Persimin cir a neighborhood group too have the r:jad
plowed or he would have to plow it himself. It seems that the
town board has better things tls address them that. M not served
by public water} or sewf�r• - we have the health diepartment which
is legally empowered to take tarry of insuring that any dwelling
has potable water and you C�,�tri ncit build a he use or' r~c�rrjt a house
urrlozs it has an approved water tR�Uppl . The County HecAIth Dept
takee core of that and the same way with the sewer. if y=iu don't
have pub l i rm water arrd SF.5WRk' y zzi u have plenty �,i f re g u l antt i inns that
take Care of these =in the county leech. If he is wrong he would
like sornoone on the bcizrd to corm; t him &
Lim
WEk1bridge
-
there
are
repsu1ations
and
it varies
as3 to their
wipini-iris
as
to
how
effective
the
health
department
is'.
Roger Beck -- if the health dpartment is rrr,;it deirir4 thE�:ir j�-b they,
we should do somethirirg about that. See our county representamitivs=s
and heath departrriLzrrit cifficials and fist that. H) the orderly
developrn�?rrt of land within the Ti =iwri and the health, safety and
welfare of its residents and ecCLLpants ci= str UC!tur0S depend ors
ci- implete and thorough �zrrialysis of the impacts of the
constrUCtion. He sees that the number of regul at i ciris that aray
potential builder of a palace has ti_a go through is Dften
prohibiting people on the lrFw end of ths; economi,t scale of being
able to have �kriy home. Often they are not well adversed with
dealing with repul��tian* arid they PUri up against a brick wall.
They are pe =plc beComing fri.I.strated with having to deal with any
papLor� work at all ��tnd th+_ nL res,_A is thcit they are farted into
a situation that they end +.ap withcir.1t tha privilagf_ of ever
becorrsing a hizimeowr,Lzr~ and paying rem all f their~ lifer+ orw living
in scmLz other conditions. The r�esulte of this are detrimental to
the health, saf9tyr arid welfare of this cemmirtriity and we see the
evidence of that vtll rvc�r�, People became frustrated because they
cannot get a foot up 1 =1rj t1le rung -if a lzrrdder to rise
ecirDnl- mically. This is what we shi= i�.LId bc� addr" asir�g instead w�f
making it more cfifi�i, cult to raise yourself financially. He hopes
that the bi -lard considers this str'origly and net adopt this
proposed 1 i -,c4R 1 1 aw.
Norman Hya t t x 216 V i r; g i l Fed - is there an �5t i mat q kric,wri R5 to
Bows rrPuch additiurial tax revenue this might raise?
TEIZ -6-90 page 5
Charles Leonard, Hanlrar-ind Mill Rd . as he loizzik.s at the law
you are trying to tweak a lot of lard dawn for tlkx pur °pones in
order, to generate nore taxes. In dealing with the safety aspect,
their lure a few miles out =if town and they do not have any
ni�ighbor Ei and they like it that way. Faart of the acceptanep Of
living where they live is the acknowledgment that if they have a
f i Y`e the place will probably bUrri, but that is why they have
in *urlance. They have 3evereLl acre there and i=ine of their
thoughts was that in the 'Future th7ey Mould like to build a summer
cabin back away from their house in the woods. They do not carp
to have access with a. road, and will certairt ly never qet pub IIc
water there. When they build their surnmer cabin they will have to
get a sewer permit and the puhl is health department will take
care of that. To h,�ve ecirnecine come in and sUrvey their land into
a separate entity for them tizz do that iS pUshing the cost iap. If
there are people living ire the town that are not adequately
served by roads for arnb�t l ance5 because the landowner or land I Gird
of �� dwel l irio does ra�,t make the driveway passible, etc i:hse
issues should be addressed tri those individuals and make them
bring their property up to standard as oppiosed to rnak,ing it
difficult and experiSive for anycine that w�r�ts t� build in the
future,
Supv chug - your suggestion is ti.1 ma lit it m1 =1re specific 1;ri
'
sclrfle nLmo
Charles Leonard -- yew, r irjht v)ow he+ owns an apartment housn end
he has put a lCit of monE_+y irito it make it nice and deers not see
why anyone else who owns apartment houses to rent o+-At that they
should ta}e.e care of them and make thsm safe for the pLaople. If
there are per =iple in the town that are reluctant to do so} he
thought that it woulcl be rnor�e appropr~i.ate tc, g1 tf�l those
individuals and fi:irce them to bring tick:ir pri.iperties up to code
Or up to some standard for emergency vLhicl� +s. If they don't have
nurribers or soha a` foram of i dent i f i cat i cart that is reedily available
to tyre ambulance and fire, make t h -use propert ies be brClught Up t Q
5tarid�rd as oppolsed t1:1 surveying the sand. It doeso riot make any
sense as fat' aS making the place safe. If that is the intent of
this i zither than to generate mcire taxes, them it Mould {fie IDetter
to have y-U address thoHz -3 issues directly,
upr Schug as far z generating mrpre taxes, if the ecorid or
third hultSes ar,e bUi It i -in the same parcel �.ii= iraeh4,w the tax
assessrir krows and is assessed acQ1 =1rd i ng 1 y.
floger� Hatfield wanted tip krli-iw if this law is adopted will it
super cede all'of the i,ither Zoning regu],atiorj4.a or is this an
addit il-irizI arhgq as far as the htinimUr,i site limit should be. Are we
going to have tO go thr ~ough a riiinirriUm 5 acre lot in Order to get
subdivision 4�Rppr i -iva1.
Is
TEIE -6 -90 page E
10 Supv Schug � this will not ;effect subdivisior, apprF_va1.
Mao Lc�rzeri,
157
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Hollow
Rd
I)
to regulate
explicit
the
density
of
Parcels
rf land.
have
He did
mot
see
anything
in
the
proposed
lrtw
that
affects
how
many
parcels
of
land
exits
and
YOU JUSt
zai.d that
thane is
nothing
in this
proposal
that
affects.
He
wondered
if
that was
a mistake
and
you
real l
Y mean
the
density
of housing
on
lot!; instead
i'nf
the density
of parcels
of
land.
There
would
be
no change
in
lots.
Atty Perkins � the intent iS try regulatE ihn number ;.if dwellings
that carp be placed are one particular parcel.
Mac Larsen - there is nothing that i nci i cat es gre7rid father i nth any
existing units. So that any one that has more than pane unit on a
parcel would have to apply for a variance.
Atty Perkins . it would be an existing nonconforming use. The
Town Doard can not make anything unlawful that which already
exists.
M=
Larsen
- what
criteria is there
f-ir a Vajrianee.
Is there
explicit
criteria
that is indicated
that the �rorpinig
board would
have
to
fol
jL�w.
Atty Psrki,ris . a person whin seeks a variance from the provisions
of this 1 -ica 1 law would have to apply for a use vcar i arce. To
obtain a use variance the appl icartit wizziuld have to show that he
uOUld not use the land for anY other lawful purpose if hek
complied with all of the regulaticirrie.
Mae Larsen � when he purchased his property 3 yei`krs ago of 4.4
aerws he checked to see whether or ricit he could bin�i4ld a second
1101.1SLta and at that time we Could. If this passes then he could
still do that but it would haave to be subdivided which adds tin.
the cost. Yizziu said rentals were a problem, but this p ro polzed law
does not address rentals directly, As we get more arid more people
we are going try have+ to finds ways to har7dl, these pemiple and
provide therm with affordable housing. This seems tim be izirp nnora
thing that da=les riot do this. It seems 'ho be aimed at swims sor %t of
Problem that Xs alnROst 7 hidden agLarlda. Is i,t part Cif the purpose
to cornr�ect the weakness of the county health department, it
shouldn't be. If they are weak and not doing their ,job you should
get aLfter them and finake sonne changes there and insist that they
do their .ji =lb. If the rental unit is the kind of thing that rtieeds>
to ba� addressed that is what should be addressed nlitire directly
t h6�Ari this prophn5ed 1 Ica 1 jaw.
Clifford Ncirt
addressed. Wh
the le6Ast abl
you will find
size and road
F-1 � the -Lnipactm
errs we see the
La tc, deal with
that there ar
frontaoe. Thi
Orr this has }yet
Smp4�tCt it is
it. If You are
e already pr ov i s
s is before they
to be fully
ng tLw-) impact people
addressing land use,
ions fOr a minirrrurrt ICt
work with the health
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department that have their -.awn set of rules. These are things
that arse alrezdy in affe:et and they are required ti work with. If
there are sr.1me existing problems in the town he wiwik,t1d suggerst
that these problemis that were started either previi.-lus to tyre
currEunt r uli,r,gs r-ir were done in defiani::Le of the Current rulings
and any additional rules will further complicate things. Pri
example Of someone living in a rm :lbile home with plans tim� build a
permiRrerit Structure arid event rally MOVE,? up thr:�i,tph their hard
wrrk 4�knd.di1ir�enee. As the proposed law is presented an
irldividuall would rive 1LO dispose =if the rrrobile hi =,rne before they
started crr-instruction r2f their perhr,��%rieritt residence. You have
someone wiDr k. i n g hard t r� i n g to better t heriise 1 ves arid this law
would put them at a point where they were lzupposed tri exist for a
certain amount Of tirire with ril.,i house becai,r,e they would be unable
t ocrrpy their�tistir� one while they were trying t war ^k qtr
their; second arse. Fire - ether^ example weld be a farmer with several
hundred cries and a son who wanted to build his
. wn house or, the
land ti work. the firm, r�s would be puttying the farmer in the
posit i era "W f subdividing his land and 90ing thrar.crgh the expr%nse of
a S!WrVEY and closing, dFheds and poLssible losing OL-g exemptions
simply for^ his sern to bui Id hi5 awry hCILLSe to be able to stay on
the farm and help with the farming OPeraticns. He sees a lot of
negative impact from sor��ething that he hropLms was intended to makcz
this a better commurity,
`'1911 'residential builder in Tompkins Co. - every regulat ic:r, that
they have tizzi fare iriCreases the cost anti seems urrnec2ssaryu There
are fewer and fewer farms in the county and is being less
passible to deal with farming, One inf then ways the farmer has to
deal with r•cta.rerjierat is tO yell off parts of the land If the
h�{s to s�abdi de farme^ i and sell off a 1cD acr4Lta parcel ti.wi sorrreone
who wants to build �� hr�r��e it will cmist 4knd thL*t,Q gees the woney
that he hits in the bank. It seems that this pr'opr-�secl lacy Karts to
IIPF'it rental Ur,its. If the pernple in the town want tim, l unit
rent a} ur°rits it would seem a limit easier- a.rd a `&quite ble if you
change your zi =fining ordinance s1 t hat there are places in the torn
cohere you can have rental i.kriits. If s0me1 =1ne W8rlts a place bad
Enough they can hire experts that they need arid got a variarree to
get the rantai unit in a ptice where it is root Toned. This goes
on all the time fi=irA the people that have the mcney and the
patience to fght for• th vrLianQesi . In his experience, mist of
the time they will qut the variance. So why not keep it simple,
if the t1-1wrr wartm ti_ rezi�me. Don't rtrake things herd on everybody
b m }tIng these little individual lFtws that have tizi be looped at,
Brian Mix, Ringwoind Fed -- the issuQ tonight as affo� - %dable hcrasingm
He is a young rrran trying to work. his way tip the ladder and lives
in t�k rea,= inably small hl"WIuSe and dizzies riot have any Children at them
pr ;ess?nt time. When Fie has children he will Hither hive to add on
to h iS pr°ersent hinuse o1r4 what has been an izziption up Lcrit i 1 now was
to prove furtherl bask cirt his property of ID acres and build a
b i g qsr; house and rent the house that he is currently in. This law
will completely eliminate that without going through the
TB12W6 -90 page a
hassle of hay+iy%g it surveyed which would ji,tst make it meet the
regule�t ir1rris t1lat are already there as far as the road fr onl;age.
This will be Just one more step that someone has to take. It has
been mentirzined about the sewer systeh1 arid questioning the health
department as to what is a quality -if 4R potable sFz der system.
AbOLLt a m =lath ago there was a meeting with the health departrment
ran the new sewer storms. As of DeQ 1st riew laws took. effect arid
writhokAt any exaggeration whatsoever a persoir) buildirip a 3 bedrOOffl
hou5iiiaa will crest tine third i -if the const r"uct i On ,just fi-ir the sewer
system alone wrh i ch would cast fri_ rn 10r 000 to $15,000.00. Sewer
systems are always going to be a question. There is no one in
this room that car, a�afely say themkt they are an authority on these
systems that they are @ping to wore.. This law is riot qOing to
char°ige that. The systems are safe cind they are going to he the
same s stinvne. This is just going ti�i be One more expen -ae for the
people that can least afford it will have to payu
Bill chick.el, Fergumon Rd -- he finds it rather ircinic that the
torn is considering this legislation the very year that the
countries of eastern Europe have been thr i -wing Off the Ll.trderI5 Of
hureaQcrary and requIations that have been so troubled and
burdened them. We have been cw�heerzng therrti Qn For gears in hopes
that they would gelh rid cif this terrible situation. He thinks
there is a certain parallel with what we are dazzling here ]in this
regard in the philosim-iphy ire dcamoc,rat is socxi4t z 2 in government.
Them is the principle Of subsidiary arid by that them larger
agencies ir.vr bi,idies should never be doing what tha smaller; more
local Specific Ores should be di =ling. Yt Seems to him the
application of this pr•opOSed iaw would be that if we have
specific problsfirs with fire} roads, health department, water and
sewer that those bi =dies should he encouraged arid sparked tim., get
or1 toheir tees and dr�i the things that need tea be dinne. You �,thould
address the problems and let the uxistirLg agenclea tend to those
matters itrid solve the pr :� b 1 erns rather t hart creating another tier
of bureaucracy fi-ir regulations and costs. In a CFLeeping way we
get tQ knew that they get tizi be troublesome?, problemat is and
costly. He thinks that it would be a step in the wrong dires_tion
tO make life ir>Orle c !Impl icatetJ in Dryden. He WIDUld encourage the
Tclwri Es:ard not to adopted this law.
Pnrnard COrneliu54 Ringwood Rd - he is concerned alb, ;,ut G}
multiple strUCtures on ore parcel Of larid. He has a parcel Of
land with several structures as rental iricoFfle property. If
si- imething should happen to the rental rnar rat or if he snOLLld
become disabled and severi�kl of these houses bLaciarflp vacant fa=ir a
period Of more than One year is he going to have to Met these
subdivided before he can rerent one of the hozx5es. Also does
su bd i v i 5 i Or+ mi:at� ri separating. He does r5rit unicier5t and why you
subdivide something SO that YIDLL Ciro sell, a piece of pre= iperty. Why
she -iFald we have to gr thrciugh the subdivi5iiz.irt when you are net
dividing arnything. He htis had eno�Lgh exper'ierice with the town
TB12-6 -90 page 9
to know
that
if a piece
of land is
vacant
for
and it is just
have enough cif
little freedom,
more
than
a year it
goes
back
to
nothing. After
a year
you can't
even
continue
to
use
it for
what it
was designated
for
in the
beginning.
If someone
should
family
decide
residence
that they
and no
want to rezone
apartments
Ringwood
which
this
Rd.
could
to single
happen then
he would
be OUt
because
he has 3 or
4 buildings
that
he has
to
pay taxes
on.
He wants
it down and
final
that
he
Bernard
Cornelius
that
you
is
are
opposed to
infringing
proposed Local
on his privacy.
Law
#k2
- 1990.
He feels
Burr
Ripley,
West Dryden
Rd - feels the same way as everyone
else
certainly
pay
here
for a
and it is just
have enough cif
little freedom,
another government restriction that we
them and 1_1ur taxes are high enough to
Ralph Varri, 471 Midline Rd - has a large parcel of land that he
had intentions to build a couple of separate houses, not as
rentals, but for members of the family. He does nint want ti-.i
subdivide the property, but if they chi =ease to sell that house at
a latter time they would then subdivide and would be situated so
that they could sell it. It seems that this proposed law already
addresses things that have already been done in the past and riot
what is to be done in the future. You could not get a building
permit until you have y_,! t septic permit. All this about water and
sewer and having your house being built are things that have been
® done in the past and cannot happen now unless you circumvent the
law o -if the town. The law should be more specific to issues and
not take such a broad sweep of things. On Midline Rd. close to
his house there were two houses that were built. The trailer
stayed in place, the house went up and maybe one house took a
year and a half- to build, the small house which is about twice
the size of the trailer but a nice addition to the neighborhood.
Fie did not think that we should stunt that type of progress, If
there are specific things that the board feels that they need to
address they should be more specific about it. He would like to
say along with everyone else that less regulations would be a
good thing for the town and the country. Rentals out in the
country are the cheapest rentals you can find anywhere and they
are needed.
Ross Gerbasi - many of the new homes going up in the area are
including an apartment over the garage or a separate building in
order to have security on the premises. This should be considered
as our population changes.
Burr Ripley - was curious as to who the father was of this
proposal, was someones neighbor bi_ti lding to close to a lot line.
There must have been some reason for this. We. are eliminating our
options if we have this and any time you eliminate your options
your property value goes dawn because it is not as saleable.
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® Bob Keech
- several
- she
months ago
many
of us
wasted
the
a beautiful
but
she
evening because
someone
issue
came
up with
a foiol
ish
idea
that
we
you
should have
minimum
survey is
5 acre lets.
He
feels
that
this
is
about
is
the
require
all
of
the people
to go
through
all the
right
steps,
carne kind
of a deal.
road
In fact
he wiziuld
wager
that
driveway
the
person
correct
that
suggested
this would
even identify
themselves.
This
is
ridiculoUs
and he has
not had
his answer
yet why
a survey
is
going
to
eliminate
any of these
problems,
and
he is
still
waiting
for
the
answer. If
that person
is here
please tell
him
what
it
is
going
to change.
0
,0
Clm
Walbridge
- she
is not
the author
that is
of the
the
proposal,
but
she
thinks
that this
issue
is
not
only
the
survey.
Just as
you
say
the
survey is
on a
piece
of
paper,
but
it
is
going to
require
all
of
the people
to go
through
all the
right
steps,
have
the
road
frontage,
make
sure
the
driveway
is
correct
etc.
Bob Keech - the survey is not going to do that at all. The
surveyor
will put the lint lines
on
and tell the area of it and
that is
all. As chairman of
the
Zoning
Board of Appeals for 16
years
he found that proposals
like
this was brought on by the
have's
and they caused problems
for
these who have not.
Clm Hatfield - after listening to all of
thOLLght it would be a good idea to take
board and take another look at it and he
decision.
Closed public hearing
TOWN BOARD
DECEMBER
these opinions he
this back to the drawing
would like to table the
MEETING
61 1990
Supv Schug called the t _iwri board meeting to carder
Members and guests participated in the Pledge of Allegiance
Roll call was by the Town Clerk:
Present: Supt/ Schug, Clm Roberts, Clm Walbridge, Clm
Hatfield, Clm Corrigan and Atty Perkins
RESOLUT I C14 _ #284 GRANT SPECIAL_ PE RM i'r
GENERAL UNLIMITED ENTERPRISES - David J'ilson
Clm Walbridge offered the following resolution and asked for its
adopt iorr:
RESOLVED, that this Town Board grant a special permit to David
Jils(:rn, General Unlimited Enterprises with 1) "Boiler Plate
Conditions" adopted 7- 10 - -qc7; 2) the entrance be from Rt 13 and
exit be on Liverm_ ire Rd; 3) this special permit is for David
Jilson cminly and is not transferable.
2nd Clm Hatfield Roll call vote - all voting Yes
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NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
ON PROPOSED LOCAL LAW NO. 2 OF THE YEAR 1990
LEGAL NOTICE IS
HEREBY
GIVEN that the
Town Board
of the
Town
of Dryden will hold
a public
hearing at the
Town Hall,
65 East
Main
Street, Dryden, New
York, on
the 6th day of
December, 1990, at
7:45
o'clock P.M. prevailing time,
to hear all
interested
parties
and
citizens for or against
the
proposed Local
Law which would provide
for the regulation
of the use of parcels of
land for
no more
than
one structure with
dwelling
units. The text
of said
Local Law
is
as follows.
i. Findings. The Town Board of the Town of Dryden hereby finds.
A) That some parcels of land within the Town have had
constructed on them more than one (1) structure with dwelling
units;
B) Often the second or subsequent structures with dwelling
units are used for rental purposes;
C) Such second or subsequent dwellings are often not served
by public water, public sewer or public roads;
D)
The privately maintained
driveways or
accesses
to these
dwellings
units are often insufficient for
emergency
vehicles
and
are poorly maintained
by the owners or
landlords;
E) Allowing multiple structures to be used for dwelling
purposes on one parcel of land may lead to difficulty in the
future where provision had not been made adequate access,
water service and sewer service;
F) The construction of multiple structures on a single
parcel of land has lead to problems in identifying the
addresses of such structures for emergency purposes as well as
for other purposes;
G) Multiple structures on one parcel of land are now
permitted under the Town of Dryden Zoning Ordinance without
obtaining subdivision approval;
H) The orderly development of land within the Town and the
health, safety and welfare of its residents and occupants of
structures depend on complete and thorough analysis of the
impacts of the construction of multiple structures on one
parcel of land including adequate provisions for water, sewage
disposal, drainage, access, traffic flow, density and other
environmental impacts associated with such construction.
I) This Local Law is adopted to protect the health, safety
and welfare of all residents of the Town of Dryden and to
• promote the orderly and appropriate growth and development of
the Town and to regulate the density of parcels of land.
�J
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2. Definition. For the purposes of this Local Law, a parcel of
land shall be deemed a tax map parcel as shown by the official
Town of Dryden Tax Maps.
3. Prohibition. Anything in any other Local Law, Ordinance,
Rule, Regulation or Requirement of the Town of Dryden to the
contrary notwithstanding, no parcel of land shall contain more
than one (1) structure with dwelling units.
4. variance. Any person, firm, partnership, corporation, or
entity aggrieved by the application of the provisions of this
Local Law may apply to the Town of Dryden Zoning Board of
Appeals for a use variance from the provisions of this Local
Law.
5.
Effective
Date.
This Local
Law shall take effect upon its
adoption
and filing
as
provided by
law.
Town Board of the Town of Dryden
Susanne Lloyd, Town'-Clerk
•
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RESOLUTION! #C285 PROPOSED OCAL LAW #2 - 1.990
Clrn Hatfield offered the
following
resolution
and asked for its
adoption:
RESOLVED, that this Town
Board discontinue
the consideration of
proposed Local Law #2 --
1990 as
it presently
stands.
2nd Clm Corrigan
Roll
call vote
-- all
voting Yes
RESOLUTION #286 ARTICLE 78 PROCEEDINGS DR7 LANDFILL_
Clm Corrigan oaffered the following resolution and asked for its
adoption:
RESOLVED, that this Town Board authorize Jan Kublick to enter
into action Article 78 proceedings filed against DEC as
commissioner with regard of setting aside the siting process
which is part of the 360 hearing in Supreme Court, Albany County
in an arnount rii it to exceed $5,000.00
2nd Clm Roberts Roll call vote - all voting Yes
Adjourned: 9:30PM
Susanne Lloyd
Town Clerk.
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