HomeMy WebLinkAboutCOC Minutes 2024-06-13 TOWN OF ITHACA CODES AND ORDINANCES COMMITTEE (COC)
Meeting of June 13, 2024—5:30 pm
Shirley A. Raffensperger Board Room, Town Hall
Minutes
Members present: Rob Rosen, Chair, Eric Levine,Eva Hoffmann, Chris Jung, Bill Arms
Excused-Susie Gutenberger-Fitzpatrick.
Staff Present: C.J. Randall, Director of Planning; Dan Thaete, Director of Engineering; Dana
Magnuson, Senior Code Officer; Marty Moseley, Director of Code Enforcement.
Guests: none
The meeting began at 5:30 p.m., recorded on Zoom and streamed live on the Town of Ithaca
YouTube channel.
1. Member comments/concerns. None
2. Review minutes from May 9,2024, COC meeting. Rob moved to approve the minutes
with minor changes proposed by Susan Brock, Eva seconded.
3. Continued review of initial draft of Subdivision of Land Regulations. Rob noted the
receipt of the "Visualizing Density" document that was included with the COC mail out.
C.J. shared a slide from Maine regarding a typical lot size and picture for reference. She
explained the pictures that showed one dwelling unit per acre, one dwelling unit per two
acres, etc. She also stated that the Planning Department was working on examples around
the town where a cluster subdivision could occur and how that density would look. She
will share those examples with the committee when they are complete.
The committee picked up on Page 18 of PDF,§234-29 (F) Development Standards. The
term "townhome" may need to be defined within this section or referenced back to the
definition in the overall Zoning Chapter(if there is one). The committee discussed(F) (a)
& (b)regarding the zoning laws that the Planning Board may waive (setbacks, lot sizes,
etc.), along with new requirements for applications to include a site capacity worksheet
for the lot yield with a conventional subdivision versus a cluster subdivision. In F (2) (a),
Marty asked that dwelling size be clearly determined, otherwise the Unform Code
calculation of 300 sq. ft. minimum would be used for conformity and a variance process
would need to be sought if the dwelling size were lower. C.J. suggested removing the
term "dwelling size"from this section and potentially add a maximum dwelling unit size
in the buildable area.A maximum lot size was also discussed. Marty asked for
clarification in F (2) (d): is it meant to apply within the newly subdivided area or
adjoining/existing parcels and residences? C.J. will clarify this language.
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§234-29 (G) Conservation Standards. Bill stated the increase in open space/conservation
easement to be set aside from 10%to 40% seemed like a large increase and would double
the density in the buildable areas. He did not want this to be a disincentive to builders in
the area. C.J. explained that the yield in the cluster subdivision versus a conventional
subdivision would be the same; the site capacity calculation worksheet the developer
provides would show what the underlying zoning would allow and how it can be
arranged to maximize open space and save on infrastructure. The depictions in the draft
language will be scaled and accurately show the examples. Dan Thaete asked if the 40%
of the unbuildable land included the stormwater areas, roads, etc. C.J. stated that would
be clarified in the worksheet.
Dan commented that, based on the class definitions, reducing the land after all of the
natural restraints(contour, slopes, water features)by 40%did seem hard to achieve, at
least on paper. He encouraged the Planning Department to illustrate scenarios in the town
where these standards could be achieved, so the committee could visualize the language
better. C.J. referenced the Open Space Index and other town developed assets that
developers have to help them work around the constraints. The Planning Department will
take a few parcels and run them through the classification scenarios with conservation
assets for the next COC meeting.
Bill also expressed concern to not make the language so complicated that the developers
with large subdivisions skip the cluster or conventional process and directly go to the
Town Board with a less complicated PDZ. Bill noted that interest rates, cost of building
and procedural regulations were top constraints. Rob added that there is an economic
problem that prohibits development that is not controlled by the zoning regulations -
there are many factors.All agreed that the intent is to not add to the prohibition with these
new regulations.
C.J. mentioned possibly hosting a developer's roundtable around the time of the
upcoming American Planning Association New York Upstate Chapter conference to be
held in Ithaca this fall,to gather input from the other side of the table to help develop
processes that are within the control of the local municipality. She noted that removing
the road standards from the law and incorporating them in the new Site Design and
Criteria Manual would be a helpful tool for developers. She also clarified for Bill that
cluster subdivisions generally involve multiple owners in the end (typically fee simple
residential lots),whereas developments with the Planned Development Zone (PDZ)
approach are often one entity covering a number of acres and frequently do not include
the subdivision of land.
Further down in the document§234-30 Buffer Zones, Eva asked for an explanation on
why the buffer zones were greater from residential zones than from industrial and
commercial zones. Marty explained the impact of the cluster subdivision is likely to have
more impact on a residential zone than the commercial or industrial zone. Therefore,the
setback would be larger. C.J. stated that this section remained from the original document
and there may be legislative history that may add to the reasoning. Dan Thaete added that
a larger buffer may be wanted to protect the cluster subdivision from an industrial zone.
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The committee ended before Section I-line 891 (original PDF paper version) Permanent
Open Space. The Planning Department will follow up with map visualizations of
potential conventional/cluster subdivisions with the applied proposed conservation asset
classifications.
Other business: next meeting scheduled for July 11, 2024, at 5:30 p.m.
• Agenda:
- Continued review of initial draft Subdivision of Land Regulations
The meeting adjourned at 6:56 p.m.
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