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Town of Ithaca Public Works Committee Meeting
October 27 , 1994, 8:00 a.m.
Town of Ithaca Highway Barn
1. Approval of Minutes David
September 29, 1994
• 2 . Discussion of New York State Road
• Construction in 1995 Fred •
3. Discussion of Maple Avenue Construction Dan and Fred
4 . Discussion on Direction of Public Works
Department Organization Dan and Fred
5. Update on Forest Home Drive Bridge Fred
6 . Update on Judd Falls Road Construction Fred
. 7. Discussion of Budget Saving Incentives Fred
8. Update on Water Projects on Troy and Coddington Roads Dan
9. Update on Sewer projects on West Haven Road Dan
10. Update Highway Property Acquisition Fred
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Jon Kanter Town Planner
George Frantz, Assistant Town Planner
Andrew Frost, Code Enforcement Officer
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TOWN OF ITHACA
Public Works Committee Meeting Minutes
October 27, 1994
Present: David Klein, Chairperson; Dan Walker; John Whitcomb; Rich
Schoch, and Fred Noteboom
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The meeting began at 8: 10 a.m.
John Whitcomb moved that the minutes from the September meeting be
approved, and David Klein seconded it. The minutes were approved.
New York State Road Construction in 1995
Fred Noteboom informed the Committee that the construction on Route
13 and at the Octopus that will be started in the Spring of 1995
will have an impact on the Highway Department with regard to time.
It will hold up traffic, including the Highway equipment because
Route 13 and the Route 13A are our main routes to connect the
Highway Barns with the rest of the Town.
The discussion evolved to what impact the Octopus project will have
on the Town's sewer and water. David asked if the City of Ithaca
had decided to "back" ' the Octopus project and would they be working
on their sewer and water to upgrade it. John indicated that they
were still discussing it. Dan Walker indicated that the Town of
Ithaca will work with the City regarding the water and sewer. Dan
also indicated that the Octopus project will take approximately
three years to complete.
Maple Avenue Construction
Fred informed the Committee that he met with Cornell University in
regards to a project Cornell is planning on Maple Avenue. Cornell
would like to add several facilities and a larger parking area.
Fred indicated that the Town would want to take advantage of this
opportunity to resolve a number of safety issues on Maple Avenue
during this construction process. Cornell' s projects are slated to
be completed in July 1995 .
David asked if the changes Cornell wants to make have to be
presented to the Planning Board and if the Planning Board was
involved in our design for Maple Avenue. Fred indicated that one
of our concerns is that the East Hill Recreation Way uses this
section of Maple Avenue as a connection. The sight distances are
poor and the road is much to narrow to adequately accommodate
vehicle traffic as well as pedestrian and bicycle traffic. The
Town should be able to work in conjunction with the City of Ithaca
and Cornell University to resolve these problems. Fred also
indicated that he has been in contact with the Planning Department.
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He talked about combining our project with the Cornell project and
bidding them both at the same time. David asked if this project
was budgeted for in 1995 , and Fred indicated that it was. David
then asked what the approximate cost would be, and Fred indicated • -
around $100,000. David asked if the City of Ithaca was interested
in participating in the project since Maple Avenue continues in the
City. Fred said that he has talked with the City and they
indicated they were interested in working together on the project.
David then asked if the road would have to be closed during
construction, and Dan indicated that it would.
There was a discussion as to how much, if any, Cornell University
would pay to. reconstruct Maple Avenue. Dan felt that if Cornell
changed any sight distances when constructing the new facilities
and parking area, that they might be interested in contributing
funds for the reconstruction of Maple Avenue.
David asked if the design of the road would be done "in-house" , and
Dan indicated that it would not be contracted out but possible
Cornell or the City could help design the road.
David asked where the drainage would go, and Fred indicated that it
probably will be connected to the City storm system. Dan indicated
that the drainage will have to meet the DEC specifications.
Direction of Public Works Department Organization
Fred felt that the Town was moving towards a Public Works
Department since all the Departments are working together during
parks and trail, water and sewer, and road construction projects.
David asked if we have an models to follow. Dan felt that we
already have a model since we work together on projects. He felt
that the distribution of funds need to be looked at. David asked
how it would affect the budget process. John indicated that there
are only two different categories within the Town budget that are
impacted.
Fred indicated that he felt that the City of Ithaca was not a good
model to look at because there are too many "fragments" . John
indicated that we should look into how other Towns work their
Public Works Department. It was agreed that no new management was
needed, but Fred indicated that possible new laborer/ME0 positions
are needed.
It was discussed that sometimes it would behoove the Town to
contract out large projects, such as Judd Falls Road, so that the
Town has time to work on other smaller projects.
Fred also indicated that during this winter, he and Rich would be
working on a "Highway and Parks Department" goals and objectives.
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Forest Home Drive Bridge
Fred informed the Committee that there was a report in one of the
local newspapers regarding Tompkins County not having any money - -
budgeted for bridges in 1995. Fred talked to Jim Kazda and was
informed that Forest Home Bridge was not cut from the Tompkins
County Budget.
John asked what the Town' s responsibility is regarding the bridge ,
and Dan indicated that the driving surface, walkways, and
approaches were the Town' s responsibility.
Fred said that the Town budgeted $50,000 for construction on the
Forest Home Drive Bridge. Fred also informed the Committee that
the Town was "Flagged" for unsafe walkways on the upstream bridge.
Fred told the Committee that the bridge walkway has been fixed
using galvanized screws.
John asked if the Highway crews fixed the plates on the downstream
bridge, and Fred said that it was done . David said it still
rattles as cars go by, though.
Fred said that the County was cited for Ok' ing overweight vehicles
on the downstream bridge. David asked who is the Town's contact
person with the County regarding the Bridge. It was decided that
Fred should be.
Judd Falls Road
Fred informed the Committee that the Town will be having a meeting
with the Forest Home Associate group to discuss the rebuilding of
Judd Falls Road as soon as we have a design in place. Dan said
that the water and sewer design has been drawn up. His time frame
for designing the whole project is as follows: November they will
continue field work, and in December they will have the design
ready for review.
John asked what the cost of this project will be, and Fred
indicated approximately $100,000. Dan also said that some drainage
work has already been completed on Judd Falls Road.
David asked about the path that runs along the west side of Judd
Falls Road. John will be meeting with the Forest Home Associate
and will discuss it with them. There was also mention about moving
the stone wall and the utility pole .
Budget Savings Incentives
Fred introduced an idea where the Town could reward employees for
their money saving ideas. David said we would have to look at the
laws regarding this type of procedure. Fred also indicated that it
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should be brought to the Personnel Committee ' s attention. David
thought it was a good idea, and John said he would talk to Pat
Punger, Personnel Manager, about it.
Troy Road and Coddington Road Water
Dan said that the contractor will be starting work this week. John
asked where he would be starting, and Dan indicated Troy Road.
John also asked what the time frame for this project is. Dan
indicated it should take two weeks for the contractor to dig on
Troy Road and one week to dig on Coddington Road. John then asked
which side of Troy Road they would be working on, and Dan indicated
the west side .
John asked if the Town needed to get permits from the County to dig
on the sides of the roads. Dan indicated that he is drawing up an
agreement for John to sign.
Dan said that the work may be done by Thanksgiving, with a little
"clean up" work to be done in the spring.
John asked if there would be any blasting, and Dan said hopefully
not.
West Haven Road Sewer
Dan informed the Committee that the contractor will start work
around November 4, 1994, and be done by Christmas. He indicated
that some of the houses will be connected to the system as the
contractor goes along. Dan also said that the Town will connect
the houses in exchange for easements.
Miscellaneous
David asked if the drainage problem in the Whitetail Drive area has
been resolved. Dan said we think the problems have been corrected.
The acquisition of the property and storage shed is in the hands of
the attorneys and that the price of $47,000 was accepted.
Fred handed out a draft copy of a Mission Statement for the Highway
and Parks Department. David said it was adequate.
The Town will be constructing a handicapped accessibility ramp in
the front of Town Hall. This is slated to begin the week of
October 31 , 1994.
John received complaints about the paving on Lexington Drive. Fred
explained the following: Lexington Drive used to be two separate
cul-de-sacs. They were connected but the asphalt parts of the cul-
de-sacs remain. It does look bad. David suggested that the Town
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take out the gravel/asphalt, extend the driveways and put grass in.
It was agreed upon that this idea is the best solution. Fred said
the work could not be done until next spring or summer. John asked
if they would need to put in culvert pipes in the driveways, and
Fred did not think so.
John also received a call regarding putting up a street light at
404 Winthrop Drive. John will talk to the man about putting in a
lighting district or having New York State Electric and Gas put on
a light with the resident paying for it.
John received a letter for a resident regarding the Town' s policy
on mailbox replacement. Fred suggested that the wording of the
policy be reviewed.
The meeting was adjourned at 9 : 40 a.m.
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