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Home My WebLink AboutPWC Minutes 1994-07-20 TOWN OF ITHACA ENGINEERING MEMORANDUM TO : Public Works Committee: David Klein, Chairman John Whitcomb Edward Conley Fred Noteboom Rich Schoch FROM: Dan Walker, Town Engineer SUBJECT: Public Works Committee Agenda for 7/28/94 DATE : July 20 , 1994 The Public Works Committee will meet 8 : 00 A.M. , July 28, 1994 at the Town Highway Garage . AGENDA 1 . Forest Home Bridge Design -- - Fred and Dan 2 . Judd Falls Road Reconstruction Plans 3 . Discussion of Permits for Work in Town Highway R.O.W. -- Fred 4 . West Hill Sewer - Maintenance -- Dan 5 . Town Hall Status Update -- Dan 6 . Progress - Tompkins County Five Year Bridge Plan - J. Whitcomb If you are unable to attend this meeting, please notify me as soon as possible. xc: Joan Lent Noteboom, Town Clerk Jon Kanter, Town Planner George Frantz, Assistant Town Planner Andrew Frost, Code Enforcement Officer P.M AOtaOS FINAL Public Works Committee Meeting Minutes July 28, 1994 Present: Rich Schoch ; Fred Noteboom; David Klein, Chairperson; Dan Walker; John Whitcomb ; and Ed Conley Guests : Jim Kazda, Nancy Brcak, Bruce Brittain, and Brent Stephens The meeting began at 8 : 15 a . m. The first item on the agenda was discussion on the downstream Forest Home Drive Bridge . This consumed most of the meeting ' s time . Dan Walker indicated that he will represent the County/Town/Forest Home Improvement Association at the Town Board Meeting, August 8 . 1994 . Dan indicated that the Forest Home Improvement Association (FHIA) would like to see Option 7 as the new design for the downstream bridge reconstruction . Dan indicated that he . as the Engineer and Fred , as Highway Superintendent, preferred Option 4 . The question was asked about how much funding would come from ISTEA. Jim Kazda indicated that it would be lower than 50 percent. There were other discussions regarding the costs to build the bridge but it was decided that the Town of Ithaca ' s portion would not be greatly effected by the different options . David indicated that the FHIA would prefer a wooden deck, and Fred indicated that all the debris will fall through the cracks to the steel below and it will bring the bridge back to it current state of disrepair quicker than a concrete deck. Nancy expressed that she felt that the funding from ISTEA was made available because it was a historic preservation project and that a wooden deck was more in keeping with historic preservation. Dan indicated that a wooden deck would create more maintenance than a concrete deck, and David concurred saying that it would also be more slippery. Jim indicated that in the long term a wooden deck is not the answer because of maintenance problems and earlier replacement of wooden planks . There was also a discussion regarding the use of bicycles on the bridge walkway ( recreational or commuter) . At this point in the meeting David acknowledged that the Town Board would be looking for the Public Works Committee ' s recommendations . so the meeting progressed to decide what the Committee ' s recommendations are . The Committee narrowed the choices ( of options ) down to two--Option 4 and 7 (with 3 girder support) . Public Works Committee Minutes Page 2 It was indicated that the staff (Engineering and Highway) would prefer Option 4, FHIA preferred Option 7 , and David preferred Option 7 with a 6 foot concrete walkway. After discussions on the historical aspects of the bridge, Jim Kazda pointed out that although the State concurred with FHIA on . the historic structure, he believed .that the State will also have to look at .curFent structure requirements. . There was a discussion regarding having a girder under the walkway " or a cantilever system which could have colored and textured concrete on it. David felt a cantilever system under the walkway would be visually appealing. Weight limits were also discussed with regard to the bridge. At, , . present there is a 5 ton limit on local traffic but the bridge is built to carry heavier loads such as school buses, fire trucks, moving vans, etc. • John said the difference in price between Option 4 and 7 was around $10,000. John also indicated that if the walkway was increased .in width from 4-feet to 6 feet, it would be easier to maintain. in the winter months. Another advantage to a 6 foot walkway instead of a 4 foot one is . that if there is a 6 foot walkway pedestrians would have more room to walk when/if a bicyclist comes along. • Ed Conley agreed with the staff that a 6 foot walkway was best but 7 `grr •;:A,4. .r ' felt that the .FHIA Eshould be":sked htheir .opinion Bruce indicated; s ' ,r' ; 'that he''felt 'the FHIA would ,rather shave o4ffoot would discuss itrfurther with FHIA �3 r, !at r}'i bf There was much discussion regardin+g ;the r{maintenance of the4 ,�f�' "`z�+e structure in 'the ,€uture and what„typically 1would happen when the :. ; ` )� ty"ry: rwF` ae5 �.., "�' roc 4-•, j,r bridge needed painting, etc 'T aKp u}nc: {:�+ail+dew.'.: ., r ,•,.. r S�9 t�i>^+��k ,e 4;„ Discussion evolved to the maintenance of a concrete ,verses a .,wooden ;,�-�rz �, ; deck.' Concretehas a` -longer`-life than `wo`od2 The three different "�'z ahi'� r'fE ways to color concrete were also discussed Yf >+r, The FHIA's preference on this is a wooden 'deck. David indicated he would prefer wood but there were more problems involved with wooden - - . decks. ' Overall, the Public Works Committee has , the following recom- + , mendation to the Town Board for the design of the Forest Home LDrive 0: Bridges Ft �' � . 6 ie N'SC N , Option 7 with a six foot cantilevered concrete :walkway , fs z, 44,3 +jr. .7 y C 4� with no changes to the abutment width '/10. r �r , bC r �, f 1, f ,,... >7$ Public Works Committee Minutes Page 3 At the end of the discussion, Jim Kazda stated he would address the bridge issues with the Tompkins County Public Works Committee at their next meeting. As the Forest Home Drive bridge discussion left little' time to ' discuss other issues, it was decided that items 3 and 6 on the agenda would be discussed at the next meeting. aintenan West Hill Sewer--M ce, Dan informed the Committee that • . there was a blockage in the sewer which needed to be reconstructed. _ John asked if the project could be extended over a three or four year period instead of being considered a Capital Project. Dan felt that it could. Judd Falls Road Reconstruction Plans: John indicated that there had been no progress on the reconstruction plans but that there was a meeting on August 9, 1994, at 4:00 p.m. in the Board Room to _ discuss this. John also felt that Cornell University's input would be helpful. Town Hall Status ,Update: Dan indicated that there will be a ;.. :, , , . meeting to discuss different options and costs. He• feels it will be September . before we will have all the figures. `David asked about a program and/or feasibility study. 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