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TOWN OF ITHACA
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD Date
APRIL 15 , 1986 Clcri<
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on
Tuesday, April 15 , 1966 , in Town Hall, 126 East Seneca Street, Ithaca,
New York, at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chairman Montgomery May, David Klein, James Baker , Barbara
Schultz, Virginia Langhans, Edward Mazza, Lawrence P.
Fabbroni (Town Engineer) , Susan C. Beeners (Town Planner) ,
Lewis D. Cartee (Town Building Inspector) , John C. Barney
(Town Attorney) , Nancy M. Fuller (Secretary) .
ALSO PRESENT: Town Councilwoman Shirley Raffensperger, Keijo Autio,
Scot Raynor, Attorney Laura H. Holmberg, Muhammad A.
Razzaq, Craig Pease, Helen Pease, Ralph Button, Charles
Dalkert.
Chairman May declared the meeting duly opened at 7: 30 p.m. and
accepted for the record the Clerk's Affidavit of Posting and
Publication of the Notice of Public Hearings in Town Hall and the
Ithaca Journal on April 7, 1986 and April 10 , 1986 , respectively,
together with the Secretary's Affidavit of Service by Mail of said
Notice upon the various neighbors of each of the properties under
discussion, as appropriate, upon the Clerk of the Town of Ithaca, upon
the Tompkins County Commissioner of Planning, and upon the applicants
and/or agents on April 10 , 1986 .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES -- February 4 , 1986
MOTION by Mrs . Virginia Langhans, seconded by Mr. David Klein:
RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
Meeting of February 4, 1986 , be and hereby are approved as written.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - May, Klein, Baker, Langhans, Mazza.
Nay - None.
Abstain - Schultz.
The MOTION was declared to be carried.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - March 4, 1986
MOTION by Mr. James Baker, seconded by Mr. David Klein:
RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
Meeting of March 4 , 1986 , be and hereby are approved as written.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Planning Board 2 April 15 , 1986
Aye - May, Klein, Baker, Schultz , Langhans.
Nay - None.
Abstain - Mazza.
The MOTION was declared to be carried.
ENGINEER'S REPORT - Lawrence P. Fabbroni, P.E.
Mr. Fabbroni reported that right now we have water and sewer
specifications out for bid with respect to the Pine Tree Road Tank and
the Hungerford Tank repainting. Mr. Fabbroni noted that these are the
last two tanks which we have not painted in the first cycle of his
experience as Town Engineer. Mr. Fabbroni stated that, as part of
this project, cathodic protection will be a part of the work at both
tanks plus cathodic protection has been requested for bid for the
Ridgecrest Road tank. Mr. Fabbroni commented that a total of nine
tanks will have been fully painted, with cathodic protection. Mr.
Fabbroni hoped for a little lower level of painting in the future now
that we have gone through all the tanks and repaired pitting, adding
that, even though it has been twenty years, they are in amazingly good
shape, probably because of better design in the old days.
With respect to highways, Mr. Fabbroni reported that Burns Road
is pretty much completed as to sub-base placement and, pending drier
weather, we can get in and really finish off the roadway in a hurry.
Mr. Fabbroni offered that there has been a lot of progress over the
winter. Mr. Fabbroni stated that a lot of fill has been utilized
which, through Cornelius , has proved to be very inexpensive -- 50
cents a yard1p aced -- a pretty good bargain. Mr. Fabbroni stated
that the landscaping will occur in May under Ms. Beeners' direction --
all at once.
Chairman May wondered when the road would be opened and Mr.
Fabbroni responded that he was looking toward July, adding that it
would not hurt to let it get in the gravel and let heavy trucks go
over it for a while, and further adding that we have had a couple of
freeze-thaw cycles. Mr. Fabbroni commented that there has been good
natural compaction because of the kind of winter it was.
Referring to the Hospital access road, Mr. Fabbroni reported that
he is reviewing some designs and recalled for the Board the monies
held out by the Planning Board with respect to that road and in
connection with the Professional Building and the Medical Office
Building. Mr. Fabbroni noted that it does need to be surveyed,
however, the three parts are coming together, adding that our part
would be mainly design and coordination and the two private entities
would build the road. Mr. Fabbroni stated that the County would
continue on and complete the connection into the old upper driveway
and then the Town would wind up with a Town road from Route 96 to
Indian Creek Road which we would maintain. Mr. Fabbroni stated that
this whole matter is evidence of a nice partnership.
With respect to Forest Home Drive, Mr. Fabbroni stated that it is
kind of dug up at the moment, adding that it does not really resemble
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a road. Mr. Fabbroni stated that with some drier weather things
should move along, commenting that there is poor soil under the
pavement. Mr. Fabbroni reported that the pavement has been milled off
and stockpiled for the new road, explaining that they are taking off
about 2'h to 3 feet of the worst clay in the world, the old road being
like full depth asphalt put on clay. Mr. Fabbroni commented that
there was not too much heavy traffic after it ceased to be a State
highway.
In regard to Park Lane Extension, Mr. Fabbroni reported that
there has been some activity, last month particularly, to better
establish drainage. Mr. Fabbroni stated that he is continuing to work
with the Town Board and NYSEG on the cost of moving the gas line
there.
Insofar as Judd Falls Road was concerned, Mr. Fabbroni reported
that the design is being worked up and will be discussed with the
homeowners. Mr. Fabbroni noted that the work will involve Judd Falls
Road being narrowed down and the scope of the one-way as very limited
one block. Mr. Fabbroni stated that he will talk to the neighbors
house-by-house about the concept. Mr. Klein wondered where this
reconstruction on Judd Falls Road was proposed to occur, with Mr.
Fabbroni responding, where Judd Falls Road hits into Forest Home Drive
to the Jug Handle. Mr. Fabbroni commented that the proposal has all
the advantages of pedestrian and bicycle accommodation and little of
the disadvantages of the former one-way systems. Mrs . Langhans
wondered which way the one-way would go, with Mr. Fabbroni responding,
toward the Campus. Mrs. Langhans asked Mr. Fabbroni if he had talked
to the people, with Mr. Fabbroni responding that he had not yet done
so, adding that Mr. Flumerfelt was working it up. Mr. Fabbroni
offered that the proposal does have a lot of advantages and, thus, his
reasoning for the one-on-one contact. Mr. Fabbroni commented that
there is really only one person who would be forced to go round about.
With respect to the Ithaca Area Wastewater Treatment Plant, Mr.
Fabbroni reported that it is moving right along, noting that the Lake
work is complete and the Outfall is about done. Mr. Fabbroni stated
that he anticipated Segment 1 completion in July with Segment 2 having
about 8 to 12 months to go before the total plant is completed.
Chairman May thanked Mr. Fabbroni for his report and stated that
he was glad to have him back, adding that he was missed on some
occasions. Mr. Fabbroni stated that he was glad to be back, but he
was pleased that Mr. Lovi had obtained such a nice position
down-State.
BUILDING INSPECTOR'S REPORT - Lewis D. Cartee
Mr. Cartee ' s Report of Building Permits Issued for the month of
February 1986 indicated that 6 permits were issued for $195 ,000 . 00 in
improvements, as compared with February of 1985 when 6 permits were
issued for $84 ,063.13 in improvements. Mr. Cartee' s Report of
Building Permits Issued for the month of March 1986 indicated that 11
permits were issued for $473,751 .00 in improvements, as compared with
March of 1985 when 13 permits were issued for $175 ,100.00 in
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improvements.
Mr. Cartee, noting that the Board members each had received a
copy of his Reports, stated that he had a couple of things he would
like to mention. Mr. Cartee stated that Town Attorney Barney had
advised him that Park Enterprises has not appealed the case on the
billboards, and so, sixty days from March 31st they are scheduled to
come down.
Mr. Cartee reported that Town Attorney Nelson Roth has filed
papers with the Court relative to taking down the remains of the old
Knight' s Meat Market.
Mr. Cartee reported that the new Physicians ' office Building
construction is going well with occupancy probably by late summer.
Mr. Cartee reported that Attorney Walter Wiggin ' s Bed and
Breakfast on Danby Road -- La Tourelle --- is coming along and is very
luxurious.
Mr. Cartee reported that there is some controversy relative to
Cayuga Vista where there seems to be a change in the footprint
approved by the Planning Board.
Mr. Cartee reported that he issued an occupancy permit for the
new Ithaca College Bookstore portion of the expanded Egbert Union for
use as office space for less than 100 staff persons. Mr. Cartee
stated that it was a temporary certificate not to go past January 1 ,
1987. Mr. Cartee stated that the structure is partially completed,
adding that he has been consulting with Gene Dymek who has been very
cooperative and helpful.
Mr. Cartee reported that the subdivision on Honness Lane being
developed by Ivar Janson -- Grandview -- has started with work being
done on the interior road. Mr. Cartee reported that one building
permit for a duplex has been issued.
Mr. Cartee reported that we will soon have the addition to Dr.
Purdy' s Dental Offices on Ellis Hollow Road which was approved on
April 1st by the Planning Board.
Mr. Cartee reported that he has issued seven building permits and
five occupancy certificates for Rocco Lucente's Sapsucker Woods Road
properties. Both Mrs. Langhans and Chairman May wondered how many had
been sold, with Mr. Cartee responding, four, and adding that the
record-keeping for these properties is very difficult.
Mrs. Langhans asked Mr. Cartee if the house that Mr. Jonson built
on Honness Lane is a "model" , with Mr. Cartee responding that it has
been sold and the person who bought it lives on Pine Tree Road.
Chairman May thanked Mr. Cartee for his Reports and information.
REPORT OF THE PLANNING BOARD REPRESENTATIVE TO THE COUNTY PLANNING
Planning Board 5 April 15, 1986
BOARD - Carolyn Gri orov.
Chairman May, noting that Mrs. Grigorov was not present this
evening, asked if there were any questions on the County Planning
Board Minutes for February 12, 1986 , and March 12 , 1986 , copies of
which were mailed to the Board members by Mrs. Fuller. There were
none.
PLANNER'S REPORT - Susan C. Beeners
Ms . Beeners, commenting that we were now into our busy season,
stated that the month of May is booked ahead, as is the first meeting
in June -- already -- with development projects and also with some of
the special projects that we are currently into or are about to embark
on, for example, the Five Mile Drive rezoning discussions.
Ms. Beeners reported that the SEQR revisions should be in effect
in July, so, our reviews could be much more thorough since there is a
lot more required of the applicant as to the provision of information.
Ms. Beeners commented that this will be somewhat of an encumbrance for
a while to get used to.
Ms. Beeners reported that in mid-May the Cornell Tradition people
will arrive on the scene and, in addition to having two working with
Parks under Richard Schoch' s supervision, there will also be a natural
resources department student who will be spending a lot of time
compiling maps related to natural resource inventories. Ms. Beeners
stated that she also hoped to arrange to have that person work at
Cornell utilizing the ZOOM STEREOSCOPE (TM) . Ms . Beeners stated that
she hoped by the end of August -- this student' s term -- that the
inventory would be complete for the Comprehensive Plan. Ms. Beeners
offered that, in the meantime, as the Board sees fit and as that
information is compiled, it might be that certain studies, such as the
industrial sites, certain demographic housing and occupancy studies,
and other individual studies, might be considered. Ms. Beeners
commented that this will not happen all at once, but a few could
appear as compiled.
Ms. Beeners reported that, in Parks, Richard Schoch is currently
systematizing the Park Management Program.
Ms. Beeners reported that the Burns Road plantings will be going
in in May and June, commenting jokingly that we are not having the
summer workers at the right time.
Ms. Beeners reported that work will be done on the Hungerford
Heights Park, for example, a play structure and a small trail.
Ms. Beeners reported that into the Fall, there will be
landscaping done along Forest Home Drive, with the trails being
restored as part of the project as well as the gabion work.
Ms. Beeners reported that we are continuing working with the
State and the City on the Cayuga Trail which the City is building from
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Cass Park to Buttermilk, adding the hope that easements and funding
will permit it to continue to South Aurora Street below Morse Chain
and on to Burns Road on the old railroad right of way.
Chairman May asked if there were any questions or comments with
respect to Ms. Beeners' report; there were none. Chairman May thanked
Ms . Beeners for her report.
PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF FINAL SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR
TROY-KING HEIGHTS, SECTION 2, BEING A 7-LOT SUBDIVISION OF LANDS ON
TROY ROAD , TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL NO. 6-44-1-4 . 32 . PAUL B. ERDMAN,
OWNER.
Chairman May declared the Public Hearing in the above-noted
matter duly opened at 7:55 p.m. Mr. Erdman was not present.
The following documents were before the Board.
1 . Drawing [reduced] entitled "Subdivision Plan, Troy-King Heights,
Section 2, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, N.Y. , Drawing No. 1 ,
Sheet No. 1 of 1" , prepared by Erdman, Anthony, Associates, P.C. ,
Consulting Engineers & Planners, Rochester, N.Y. , for Paul B.
Erdman, P.E. , L.S. , P.O. Box 46, Arkport, N.Y. 14807 , signed,
sealed and dated March 17 , 1986, by Paul B. Erdman, Registered
Engineer, amended to show a drainage swale which is to be dug
prior to lot sales , and a 15-foot easement leading to the "green
area";
2 . Dra_ wing entitled "Supplemental Map" , undated, showing the
continuation of the 15-foot easement to a "green area" and the
"green area" .
3 . Attachment to Supplemental Map setting forth a metes and bounds
description of the "green area" .
4 . Resolution adopted by the Planning Board at its April 1, 1986
meeting with respect to Troy-King Heights, Section 2 , granting
Preliminary Subdivision Approval.
5 . Draft Resolution with respect to Final Subdivision Approval.
Ms. Beeners appended to the bulletin board a full-sized version
of the Subdivision Plan which the Planning Board members each had
received in a reduced size. Ms. Beeners also appended to the bulletin
board a small map showing the total property owned by Mr. Erdman and
showing the location of the green area.
Ms. Beeners stated that the items that the Board had required for
final subdivision approval have been provided by Mr. Erdman -- one of
them being the swale, a two-foot swale, on the mother parcel rather
than on the smaller lots proposed for subdivision, and, that that be
dug prior to lot sales. Ms. Beeners pointed this out on the map and
noted that it runs behind the lots and on out to Troy Road. Ms.
Beeners also pointed out the 10-foot-wide easement to the "green
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area" , as the Board requested, and which runs along the north and west
property lines to the "green area" which is shown as two acres. Ms.
Beeners noted that one-half acre of that "green area" is what is going
with this current subdivision, there being one and a half acres from
another previous one. Ms. Beeners pointed out that this area will
serve as a buffer for the South Hill Swamp. Ms. Beeners noted that
Mr. Erdman had also provided a metes and bounds description of the
rrgreen area" .
Ms. Beeners pointed out that, in the draft resolution before the
Board, on the second page, item #2 was offered since the feeling at
the last meeting was that the easement could be subject to change as
long as it did provide access to a public road.
Chairman May wondered how we can reasonably monitor, or police,
the matter of the two-foot swale to be sure that that swale is done
before the first sale of the lots . Mr. Mazza offered that a building
permit could be withheld until that is done, adding that the map is
going to be filed and pointing out that it says that right on the map
before the Board. Mr. Fabbroni agreed, adding that it should show up
in any search. Mr. Mazza noted that it would show up but someone has
to go look for that map. Mr. Fabbroni stated that he would feel more
hesitant if it were not right on the map, adding that the map has to
be filed and he has to get the Health Department to sign off on the
rear property and, also, file the map because it is five lots.
Chairman May, noting that this was a Public Hearing, asked if
there were anyone who wished to speak. No one spoke.
Mr. Mazza asked if anyone checked the description attached, with
Ms. Beeners responding that it appears to be okay.
Chairman May closed the Public Hearing at 8 : 01 p.m.
MOTION by Mrs . Virginia Langhans:
WHEREAS:
1 . The Town of Ithaca Planning Board has reviewed a Short
Environmental Assessment Form for the proposed Erdman subdivision
and has made a determination of negative environmental
significance.
2. The Planning Board has reviewed this subdivision at a Public
Hearing on April 1 , 1986 , at which time Preliminary Subdivision
Approval was granted with the condition that certain amendments
be made to the Final Subdivision maps.
3 . This action is the subdivision of a 122.98 acre parcel , tax map #
6-44-1-4.32 , fronting on Troy Road, County Road 123 , into 7
parcels consisting of 3 proposed residential lots of .57 acres
each, 2 proposed residential lots of . 6 acres each, a .5 acre
"green area" , and a remaining 119.57± acre parcel.
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4 . The .5 acre "green area" is proposed to adjoin a 1.5 acre "green
area" which was set aside as part of a subdivision by the same
owner of adjacent lands as an undeveloped open space buffer to
the "South Hill Swamp" , for a total of 2 acres of "green area. "
5 . The Planning Board has reviewed the amended Final Subdivision
maps which consist of the following:
a.) A survey map entitled "Troy--King Heights, Section 211 ,
prepared by Erdman, Anthony, Associates, P.C. , (no date) ,
which has been amended as required to show a drainage swale
which is to be dug prior to lot sales, and a 15 foot
easement leading to the "green area";
b. ) A supplemental map showing the continuation of the 15 foot
easement to a "green area; and a metes and bounds
description of the "green area" .
6 . A 60 ' right of way has been reserved for drainageways , utilities ,
and future access to the interior acreage, for which a second 60 '
right of way currently exists.
THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED:
1 . That the Planning Board grant and hereby does grant Final
Subdivision Approval for this subdivision as presented and
described on the amended maps and in the "green area" metes and
bounds description.
2 . That the 15 foot easement from Troy Road to the "green area" be
subject to change at the request of the developer and as would be
arranged with the Town of Ithaca, the objective being to ensure
access to the "green area" from a public road.
Prior to there being a second to Mrs. Langhans' Motion, Town
Attorney Barney stated, with respect to paragraph #2 under "Resolved" ,
that it seemed to him rather than "arrange" it ought to be subject to
approval of the Town of Ithaca. Mr. Mazza countered that he was not
sure that that was the way we left it with Mr. Erdman. Town Attorney
Barney mused that if access is along a relatively traversable road and
he chooses the side of a cliff, it could be a problem, adding that
maybe it should be something like roughly equivalent in terms of
traversability. Mr. Mazza stated that that was the intent. Chairman
May suggested indicating that it be subject to the approval of the
Town of Ithaca. Mr. Mazza pointed out that that means someone in the
Town could say "NO" . Mr. Klein read paragraph #2 out loud, as
follows: 112. That the 15 foot easement from Troy Road to the 'green
area' be subject to change at the request of the developer and as
would be arranged with the Town of Ithaca, the objective being to
ensure access to the ' green area' from a public road. " Mr. Mazza
noted that he could put it wherever he wants as long as we have
access, adding that with this big parcel we tie him up but have no
more control than what we already do. Mr. Mazza pointed out that,
with further subdivision, he has to come back to us -- obviously.
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Town Attorney Barney wondered if this easement were traversable now.
Mr. Fabbroni stated that the purpose of this open space is to buffer a
unique area, noted approval if we have an easement, and commented that
we really do not want people travelling through the area. Mr.
Fabbroni stated that what is needed is to satisfy the intent of being
able to get to the green area. Town Attorney Barney commented that
the contour lines are pretty wiggly particularly on the western end of
it , and wondered if maybe we would have to build a bridge now. Mr.
Fabbroni stated that he thought it can be traversed. Town Attorney
Barney stated that he just raised it as a question, adding that it
seemed to him it should be roughly equivalent. Mr. Mazza stated that
he had no problem with that, but, he did not want it subject to the
Town approval. Mr. Mazza pointed out that, for all intents and
purposes, if he subdivides it he has to come back to the Planning
Board. Mr. Mazza suggested adding "roughly equivalent traversability"
or whatever you want to call it. Town Attorney Barney suggested --
"subject to change to another location substantially equivalent in
traversability" .
Mrs . Langhans withdrew her Motion which had not been seconded.
MOTION by Mrs. Virginia Langhans, seconded by Mr. Edward Mazza:
WHEREAS:
1. The Town of Ithaca Planning Board has reviewed a Short
Environmental Assessment Form for the proposed Paul B. Erdman
subdivision, known as Troy-King Heights, Section 2, being a 7-lot
subdivision of lands on Troy Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.
6-44-1-4. 32 , and has made a determination of negative
environmental significance.
2 . The Planning Board has reviewed this subdivision at Public
Hearing on April 1 , 1986, at which time Preliminary Subdivision
Approval was granted with the condition that certain amendments
be made to the Final Subdivision maps.
3 . This action is the subdivision of a 122.98 acre parcel, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 6-44-1--4 .32, fronting on Troy Road (County
Road 123) , into seven parcels consisting of three proposed
residential lots of .57 acres each, two proposed residential lots
of . 6 acres each, a .5 acre "green area" , and a remaining 119 . 57±
acre parcel.
4 . The .5 acre "green area" is proposed to adjoin a 1.5 acre "green
area" which was set aside as part of a subdivision by the same
owner of adjacent lands as an undeveloped open space buffer to
the "South Hill Swamp" , for a total of two acres of "green area. "
S . The Planning Board has reviewed the amended Final Subdivision
maps which consist of the following:
a. ) A survey map entitled "Subdivision Plan, Troy-King Heights,
Section 2, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, N.Y. , Drawing
No. 1, Sheet No. 1 of 1", prepared by Erdman, Anthony,
Planning Board 14 April 15 , 1986
Associates, P.C. , Consulting Engineers & Planners,
Rochester, N.Y. , for Paul B. Erdman, P .E. , L.S. , P.O. Box
46 , Arkport, N.Y. 14807 , signed, sealed and dated March 17 ,
1986 , by Paul B. Erdman, Registered Engineer, which has been
amended as required to show a drainage swale which is to be
dug prior to lot sales , and a 15-foot easement leading to
the "green area";
b. ) A supplemental map, undated, showing the continuation of the
15-foot easement to a "green area" with a metes and bounds
description of the "green area" attached thereto.
6 . A 60-foot right of way has been reserved for drainageways,
utilities, and future access to the interior acreage, for which a
second 60-foot right of way currently exists.
THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED :
1 . That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board grant and hereby does
grant Final Subdivision Approval for the Paul B. Erdman
subdivision, known as Troy-King Heights, Section 2, being a 7-lot
subdivision of lands on Troy Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.
6-44-1-4.32 , as presented and as described on the aforementioned
survey map and supplemental map and in the "green area" metes and
bounds description.
2. That the 15-foot easement from Troy Road to the "green area"
shown on the aforementioned supplemental map be subject to change
to another location substantially equivalent in traversability at
the request of the developer and as would be arranged with the
Town of Ithaca, the objective being to insure access to the
"green area" from a public road.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - May, Klein, Baker, Schultz, Langhans, Mazza.
Nay -- None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairman May declared the matter of Final Subdivision Approval
for Troy-King Heights, Section 2 , Paul B. Erdman, Owner, duly closed
at 8:08 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A REVISION OF
USES IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT AT 615 FIVE MILE DRIVE, TOWN OF
ITHACA TAX PARCEL NO. 6-31-2-30 . TIMOTHY CIASCHI , TERRY CIASCHI , AND
KEN (KEIJO) AUTIO, OWNERS.
Chairman May declared the Public Hearing in the above-noted
matter duly opened at 8 : 09 p.m. Mr. Autio and his Architect, Scot
Raynor, were present.
The following documents were before the Board:
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1 . Drawing entitled "Site Plan, 615 Five Mile Drive, Ithaca, New
York" , dated April 4 , 1986 , prepared by Scot A. Raynor, A.S.L.A. ,
Sheet No. 1 of 1.
2. Short Environmental Assessment Form, as completed, signed, and
submitted by Keijo Autio under date of April 9 , 1986 [Part I] ,
and as reviewed by Susan C. Beeners, Town Planner, under date of
April 10, 1986 [Parts II and III] , as follows:
"A. Does action exceed any Type 1 threshold in 6 NYCRR, Part
617. 12? -- NO.
B. Will action receive coordinated review as provided for
Unlisted Actions in 6 NYCRR, Part 617. 7? -- YES.
C. Could action result in ANY adverse effects on, to, or
arising from the following:
Cl . Existing air quality, surface or groundwater quality or
quantity, noise levels, existing traffic patterns,
solid waste production or disposal, potential for
erosion, drainage or flooding problems? --- No
significant adverse impact expected. The property is
not located in the official special flood hazard area.
C2 . Historic, archeological, visual or aesthetic, or other
natural or cultural resources; agricultural districts;
or community or neighborhood character? -- (see
attached) .
C3. Vegetation or fauna, movement of fish or wildlife
species, significant habitats, or threatened or
endangered species? -- No significant adverse impact
expected.
C4. A community' s existing plans or goals as officially
adopted, or a change in use or intensity of use of land
or other natural resources? -- Action is consistent
with existing zoning regulations.
C5. Growth, subsequent development, or related activities
likely to be induced by the proposed action? -- No
significant adverse impact expected, if current usage
level is maintained.
C6. Secondary, cumulative, or other effects not identified
in C1-C6? -- No significant adverse impact expected.
C7. A change in use of either quantity or type of energy?
-- No significant adverse impact expected. "
Box checked which sets forth that it has been determined, based
on the information and analysis above and any supporting
documentation, that the proposed action WILL NOT result in any
significant adverse environmental impacts.
Attachment -- ADDENDUM TO SEQR S/EAF:
"The property under concern is located in an area
for which a zoning study is currently being conducted.
Under the existing Light Industrial zoning of the site,
the property meets all existing zoning requirements,
with the exception of a front yard setback, which
requirement was waived in an earlier site plan approval
for the property.
If the property were to be rezoned to R-30 , low
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density residential zone, as is currently proposed, the
property would be one of several nonconforming (Light
industrial/commercial) uses in the proposed residential
zone. As a nonconforming use, any expansion of the
site use would be subject to approval by the Zoning
Board of Appeals.
Because of the significant buffering effect of the
New York State Department of Environmental Conservation
Flood Control easements on the property and adjacent to
it, and the isolation of the site from buildable
residential areas, it is determined that the property
and its use do not and will not have a significant
adverse effect on neighborhood character. "
3 . Letter, dated March 27 , 1986 , from Floral Avenue Properties,
Timothy Ciaschi, Kenneth Autio, and Terry Ciaschi, Partners, 615
Five Mile Drive, to Susan Beeners, as follows:
"In response to your letter here are the following items you
asked for:
A. 3800 square foot warehouse
1 . Ithaca Ice Company with one employee and one major
(large) truck. They use approximately 1400 square
feet.
2. Larry Thayer of Thayer Appliance is using the
remaining 2400 square feet for storage of his
appliance line. No trucks and no employees except
for occasional pack ups.
B. 1600 square foot office building
1 . Globe Securities has approximately 800 square feet
and employs one person and one car.
2 . Matco Electric has 800 square feet and also
employs one person and one car.
C. The road that leads to these businesses is a 22 foot
right of way. "
4 . Minutes, Planning Board, August 5, 1975, pages 2 and 3 , 5 and 6 ,
in re Madison Electric.
5. Minutes, Town Board, August 11, 1975, page 4 , in re Madison
Electric.
6. Draft Resolution in re Ciaschi/Autio Revised Site Plan Approval,
SEAR.
7. Draft Resolution in re Ciaschi/Autio Revised Site Plan Approval.
Mr. Raynor appended a large colored version of the proposed site
plan to the bulletin board and noted that the site was outlined in
red. Mr. Raynor stated that this was a very complicated site and drew
the Board ' s attention to various existing easements, levees, power
lines, etc. Mr. Raynor oriented the Board and the public to the site,
noting that 615 Five Mile Drive is in the Town of Ithaca right near
the Inlet and Coy Glen Creek [indicating same on the drawing] . Mr.
Raynor pointed out [indicating on the drawing] the access drive from
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Five Mile Drive, and noted that it is twenty-two feet wide and
gravelled, and which, he commented, was in somewhat poor condition.
Mr. Raynor [indicating] stated that the building on the "far left" is
a shed used for storage, and the building in the "middle" is split in
half and is the one occupied by Globe Securities and Matco Electric.
Mr. Raynor [indicating] stated that the "larger" building is used as
an ice warehouse by the Ithaca Ice Company and as storage by Thayer
Appliance. Mr. Raynor pointed out five parking spaces, indicating
their location. Mr. Raynor noted the location of two doors into the
warehouse and pointed out employee or owner parking spaces , as well as
a gravelled area which also allows for turn-around and parking for
occasional visitors. Mr. Raynor stated that there are only four trees
on the site and indicated an area "here" which is grass. Mr. Raynor
pointed out that the shaded blue area [indicating] is the Flood
Control Easement, commenting that with that flood control protection
the project ended when it went in. Mr. Raynor stated that there is a
15-foot setback from the RipRap Collector Basin [indicating on the
drawing] and also noted the 15-foot setback from the toe of the levee.
Mr. Raynor indicated on the drawing that there is also a levee over
"here" which finally goes over to the Basin. Mr. Raynor indicated on
the drawing the location of two public easement lines, and stated that
there really should not be any building in that, however, "this"
building was there before that easement so it is grandfathered in and,
therefore, is no problem. Mr. Raynor stated that there are sanitary
facilities for "this building here" [indicating] , that is, two
toilets. Mr. Raynor stated that there was a septic tank in place and
the water comes from a well from the land of Dierk Teriouw, there
being an easement to use that water. Mr. Raynor pointed out on the
drawing the location of a gas pump with a 1,000 gallon underground
tank. Mr. Raynor stated that he would be happy to answer any
questions .
Chairman May asked if there were any questions from the Board;
there were none at this point. Chairman May, noting that this was a
Public Hearing, asked if there were any questions from the public;
there were none.
Ms. Beeners asked about the number of trips per day that those
agencies named are making. Mr. Raynor responded that the only people
making daily trips are Ithaca Ice and Thayer Appliance and, at that,
no more than two trips a day. Mr. Raynor commented that they try to
limit the trips because it is too costly for them otherwise.
Mrs. Langhans wondered what it was that was being asked of the
Board if this is already existing. Ms. Beeners stated that the matter
before the Board is a change in the site plan that was brought in by
the owners. Ms. Beeners noted the Minutes with respect to this
property in connection with Madison Electric's Site Plan Approval of
an office building -- Planning Board August 5 , 1975 and Town Board
August 11 , 1975 -- which were included in the Board's materials to
provide background information. Ms. Beeners stated that Globe
Securities is in that building now, as is Matco Electric. Ms. Beeners
stated that, according to those 1975 Minutes, there was some problem
with and discussion about frontage -- whether there was really a front
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yard or not, setbacks, sideyards, and the like. Ms. Beeners noted
that the Planning Board and the Town Board approved the site plan
which was presented at the time. Ms. Beeners noted that there was
also some discussion at that time as to the number of employees which
Mr. Madison had which, she believed, were three, with one man in a
truck most of the day. Ms. Beeners stated that that was about all we
have as to prior usage. Ms. Beeners offered that it was for the Board
to decide if this is a substantial change in that use and if it would
approve the site plan as it stands.
Mrs . Langhans inquired of Ms . Beeners how this might affect the
proposed future rezoning of the Five Mile Drive area. Ms. Beeners
stated that if it were to be rezoned as proposed tonight and if this
area south of Coy Glen Creek were to be changed from Light Industrial
to R30 , this property would remain as a legal non-conforming use.
Chairman May wondered if, since the Department of Environmental
Conservation is a possible affected agency, the Board needed to give
them an opportunity to reply before it does anything. Mr. Fabbroni
stated that he would think not, adding that we are not changing
anything physically there, and further adding that you do not get into
the DEC easement except for this small area "here" [indicating on the
site plan] . Mr. Fabbroni explained that this other easement was taken
by the Army Corps of Engineers when they built the drop structures on
Coy Glen Creek, commenting that he did not know why they took such a
big easement -- the drop structures being the only explanation.
Chairman May wondered what the possibility might be of creek
contamination occurring and noted that there is an underground tank
there. Mr. Fabbroni commented that they would be under the same
constraints as anybody in the State. Chairman May, noting the tank
size as not over a 1,000 gallons, asked again if DEC needed to be
given an opportunity to comment.
Mr. Raynor stated that, in 1980, DEC gave a permit to Madison
Electric and the tank was there. Mr. Raynor stated that they did not
have enough room because the Flood Control took so much land so they
were given a permit and this situation is what came of all that. Mr.
Raynor pointed out that nothing has been changed on-site, only the
tenants have changed which resulted in a slight change in use.
Mr. Klein, noting that the "middle building" is offices, asked
what the little one was again. Mr. Raynor stated that it was a
storage shed. Mr. Klein asked if the buildings are identical to
earlier ones, with Mr. Raynor responding, yes. Mr. Fabbroni stated
that Madison Electric used to be on the whole site. Mr. Klein,
reiterating that the three buildings were Madison' s, offered that the
only change is interior use. Mr. Klein asked if the uses were
different, with Mr. Cartee responding, yes, and stating that the
manufacturing of ice is different from storage. Mr. Klein offered
that that would be the primary difference. Mr. Cartee stated that
that is why the matter is before the Board. Mrs . Langhans wondered
how this made it a Planning Board matter. Mr. Cartee stated that the
building is full of equipment with the other use being Thayer
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Appliance storage. Mr. Cartee stated that the Health Department is
investigating the water for the manufacture of ice as to whether or
not "this flowing well" [indicating] meets standards. Mr. Cartee
stated that in addition to that, he did not believe there is a
bathroom facility in that building for the employees. Mrs . Langhans
noted that the water is actually coming from a well, with Mr. Fabbroni
concurring and adding that it is a deep well, and, one that the Town
drilled when it was exploring water sources. Mr. Fabbroni stated that
the well is some three hundred to four hundred feet deep. Mr. Cartee
stated that he had strong reservations about the electric equipment in
the building relative to electric power for the coolers inside,
particularly with two different occupancies. Mr. Cartee stated that
he did not know what has been done to the building about codes.
Chairman May wondered what the power in the building is. Mr. Klein
commented as to whether the change in use was just done, with Mr.
Cartee responding that he just happened to find it. Mrs. Schultz
wondered what kind of permit DEC would have issued and if it should
not have come through the Town, wondering, further, if the permit
would be for the use, with Mr. Fabbroni replying, no, and adding that
such permit would be for access and the building and goes with the
building and any owner. Mr. Fabbroni stated that he did not see where
any change in the use would require any other approval, adding that
the Board is dealing with a change in use whereas the building code
requirements apply to code regulations for a given use. Chairman May
stated that he accepted that, adding that Mr. Cartee, however, has
some very good concerns. Chairman May stated that he was not sure
that the Board should be addressing site plan until code violations
have been addressed. Mr. Fabbroni offered that it was a bit of the
cart before the horse in that Mr. Cartee cannot enforce the Code if
the use is not okay. Mr. Klein asked Mr. Fabbroni if the uses were
legal, with Mr. Fabbroni responding, yes, and adding that they are
allowed light industrial uses.
There being no further discussion, Chairman May asked if there
were anyone present from the public who wished to speak; no one spoke.
Chairman May closed the Public Hearing at 8:29 p.m. , and asked the
Board to turn to the matter of the Short Environmental Assessment
Form. Chairman May noted that there was a recommendation from the
Town Planner, Ms. Beeners, for a negative declaration.
MOTION by Mr. David Klein, seconded by Mr. Edward Mazza:
WHEREAS:
1. This action consists of a change in site plan and building use of
an office and warehouse facility located in a Light Industrial
Zone at 615 Five Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.
6-31--2-30 . This is an unlisted action for which a Short
Environmental Assessment Form has been completed and reviewed at
Public Hearing on April 15, 1986.
2. Any further development of this property for unlisted or Type I
actions will be the subject of further environmental review.
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3 . A recommendation of a negative determination has been made by the
Town Planner.
4 . The Department of Environmental Conservation, which holds a flood
protection easement on portions of the site, may be an affected
agency and will be notified of this determination.
THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED:
1 . That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board shall act and hereby does
act as the Lead Agency for the environmental review of this
project.
2 . That this project is determined by said Planning Board to have no
significant adverse impact on the environment, and, that a
negative declaration of environmental significance shall be and
hereby is made.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May, Klein, Baker, Schultz, Langhans, Mazza.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairman May then asked the Board to turn to the matter of
consideration of site plan approval. Chairman May noted that, in the
draft resolution presented by Ms. Beeners, proposed paragraph #3,
[ "Existing site activity consists of the use of a warehouse and an
office building by 3 agencies, each with one employee, on a daily
basis, and by a fourth agency for appliance storage and pickup on an
occasional basis. "] in the "whereas" portion, does not reference the
fact there there is an ice manufacturing use in place, and suggested
that that needs to be picked up somewhere. Ms. Beeners stated that
that would be fine if the Board desired that. Mr. Klein agreed that
such a reference should be in there. Chairman May noted again that it
was a significant use which needed to be recognized. Mrs . Langhans
suggested that it should be mentioned in paragraph #3 as Chairman May
had indicated. Mr. Klein, pointing out that the office building is
subdivided for two tenants and the warehouse has two tenants, one for
storage and one for manufacturing, stated that it is not quite stated
that way in the draft resolution. Ms. Beeners offered that the way it
reads is okay in that it is grammatically correct and factually
accurate with the exception of the ice manufacturing aspect. Town
Attorney Barney agreed. Chairman May agreed. Discussion followed as
to wording with Mr. Fabbroni and Mrs. Langhans suggesting the
inclusion of words such as "used for ice manufacturing and
warehousing" . Chairman May, noting that it was a warehouse for
appliances as well as ice manufacturing, stated that, the big thing was
the equipment. Mr. Fabbroni wondered if "warehouse for manufacturing
ice" would work, and Town Attorney Barney thought that the insertion
of the words "one of which is an ice manufacturing concern" in
paragraph #3 would do the trick.
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Mrs. Langhans stated that she dial not particularly agree with
proposed paragraph #4 ["The Planning Board has determined that the
current site use does not represent a significant increase in
development or activity from the previous site use. "] , it appearing to
her that it was significant to go from one use to four. Chairman May
stated that, from a business standpoint, he agreed. Mr. Mazza
countered that if you had three accountants running three separate
businesses or one business with three accountants what would be the
difference? Mr. Mazza stated that it is the activity of the use that
is the significant issue. Town Attorney Barney suggested using the
words "significant increase in traffic" , or, "intensity of use" . Mr.
Fabbroni commented that when it was Madison Electric there were
transformers and wire spools all over the place, adding that you could
hardly work your way through the yard. Mr. Fabbroni stated that, now,
there is no outside storage to speak of. Mr. Klein commented that he
was sure Mr. Madison had a significant amount of traffic in there.
Mrs. Langhans indicated that she was satisfied with "development"
being changed to "traffic" . Town Attorney Barney suggested changing
"current" to "requested" .
MOTION by Mrs . Virginia Langhans, seconded by Mr. Edward Mazza:
WHEREAS:
1 . The Town of Ithaca Planning Board has reviewed a Short
Environmental Assessment Form for a change in site plan and
building use of an office and warehouse facility located in a
Light Industrial Zone at 615 Five Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No. 6-31-2-30 , and has made a determination of negative
environmental significance.
2. A site plan for one business with three employees was approved by
the Planning Board on August 5 , 1975 and by the Town Board on
August 11 , 1975.
3 . Existing site activity consists of the use of a warehouse and an
office building by three agencies, one of which is an ice
manufacturing concern, each with one employee, on a daily basis,
and by a fourth agency for appliance storage and pickup on an
occasional basis.
4 . The Planning Board has determined that the requested site use
does not represent a significant increase in traffic or activity
from the previous site use.
5 . The New York State Department of Environmental Conservation Flood
Control Easement on portions of the subject property and on
adjacent properties creates a substantial buffer zone between the
subject property and adjacent existing and future residential
areas.
THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED :
1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board grant and hereby does
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grant approval to the revised site plan for property known as 615
Five Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 6-31-2-30,
presently owned by Timothy Ciaschi, Terry Ciaschi, and Keijo
Autio, as presented at Public Hearing, April 15, 1986 , entitled
"Site Plan, 615 Five Mile Drive, Ithaca, New York" , Sheet 1 of 1,
dated April 4 , 1986 , prepared by Scot Raynor, A.S.L.A.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - May, Klein, Baker, Schultz, Langhans, Mazza.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairman May declared the matter of Site Plan Approval for the
Ciaschi/Autio property at 615 Five Mile Drive duly closed at 8:44 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF THE RE-SUBDIVISION OF TWO LOTS, TOWN
OF ITHACA TAX PARCELS NO. 6-58-2-39.11 AND 6-58-2-39 .12 , LOCATED AT
119 HONNESS LANE, INTO THREE LOTS, AND, CONSIDERATION OF A
RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS THAT, UNDER SECTION
280-a OF THE TOWN LAW, A VARIANCE BE GRANTED TO PERMIT DEVELOPMENT OF
PROPOSED LOT #3 NOT FRONTING ON A PUBLIC STREET. MUHAMMAD AND
KHURSHID RAZZAQ, OWNERS/DEVELOPERS.
Chairman May declared the Public Hearing in the above-noted
matter duly opened at 8 :45 p.m. Attorney Holmberg, Dr. Razzaq, and
Contractor Pease were all present.
The following documents were before the Board.
1 . Survey Mat entitled "Survey Map Showing Proposed Subdivision of
Lands of Muhammad & Khurshid Razzaq, [Lots #1 , 2, and 3] , [Tax
Map Parcels 58-2-39 . 11 , 39. 121 , Honness Lane, Town of Ithaca,
Tompkins County, New York" , dated February 28 , 1986 , prepared by
T.G. Miller Associates P.C. , signed and sealed by Allen T.
Fulkerson, L.L.S.
Attachment to Survey map entitled "Proposed Plot Plan for
Muhammad & Khurshid Razzaq -- Lot #3 , undated.
2. Minutes -- Planning Board, February 4 , 1986.
3 . Minutes --- Planning Board, March 4 , 1986.
4. Minutes - Zoning Board of Appeals, March 19 , 1986.
5 . Letter from George R. Pfann, Jr. to Attorney Laura Holmberg,
dated April 15, 1986 , as follows:
"Re: Razzaq Subdivision on Honness Lane
A;_ youknow, I represent Gladys Blatchley who is selling the
property adjoining the Razzaq parcel to Ivar Jonson. As you also
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know, there is a title problem relating to the location of the
Church property. I have talked to Jim Miller who represents the
Church. I have been working constantly with the surveyors for
the past month. It is my understanding that the Church will
accept as their boundary lines, the boundary lines as outlined in
the deed from Blatchley to Razzaq and as shown on the survey
Razzaq had prepared by Tom Miller's office.
I have explained the entire situation to Larry Fabbroni and given
him the same scenario. "
Attorney Holmberg appeared before the Board and stated that this
meeting constituted their third appearance before the Planning Board.
Attorney Holmberg, noting that the Board members had before them a
copy of the proposed subdivision map showing the three lots, pointed
out that the sizes proposed are larger than the requirements for the
zone. Attorney Holmberg stated that there was adequate access over
the existing roadway for proposed Lot #3 . Attorney Holmberg stated
that she believed that the questions which were asked last time had to
do with problems arising from errors in the deed to the Hillside
Alliance Church, and whether, in fact, the Razzaq boundary lines are
as shown or would be affected by a new survey for property to be
conveyed to the Church. Attorney Holmberg stated that Attorney George
Pfann has talked to Town Engineer Fabbroni and she had presented a
letter from him [Pfann] which indicates that the boundaries have been
accepted as the boundaries for the Church property. Attorney Holmberg
stated that they also met with Mr. Perkins and the Attorney for the
Church to discuss the use and maintenance of the roadway. Attorney
Holmberg stated that it was her understanding that the only other
person who uses it is Mr. Ponchalek. Attorney Holmberg stated that
both Mr. Ponchalek and Mr. Dalkert were invited to that meeting,
however, Mr. Dalkert did not come, nor did Mr. Ponchalek. Attorney
Holmberg stated that they have agreed that number one is the approval
they are seeking, adding that the Church cannot do anything until they
have title. Attorney Holmberg stated that they have written
agreement, which will be recorded, to share the maintenance and the
upkeep of the roadway, adding that it goes as far as to agree with the
Church that if they do not use it in the winter they would have no
responsibility for any plowing. Attorney Holmberg also noted how this
connects with the title clearing. Mr. Ralph Button, representing the
Church, spoke from the floor and stated that what Attorney Holmberg
had outlined was correct. Continuing, Attorney Holmberg stated that
construction has begun on "this" lot which fronts on Honness Lane [Lot
#21 . Attorney Holmberg, recalling that there had been a question on
drainage, stated that there will be a drainage ditch along the east
side of the driveway, adding that the drainage flows in two
directions, and mentioning Mr. Perkin 's thoughts on the eave draining
on the Church property also. Attorney Holmberg commented that Dr.
Razzaq and Mr. Perkins went out to look at how this entry will be
graded to get adequate access.
Chairman May thanked Attorney Holmberg and, noting that this was
a Public Hearing, asked if there were anyone who wished to speak.
Town Councilwoman Raffensperger spoke from the floor and asked
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how many feet from Honness Lane the proposed third house would be.
Attorney Holmberg responded that to the edge of the lot it is 159
feet. Town Councilwoman Raffensperger wondered about the placement of
the house, approximately, noting the twenty-foot driveway, and adding
that she had read how far somewhere. Town Councilwoman Raffensperger
stated that she was concerned about life safety. Attorney Holmberg
pointed out that it would be some 160 feet to the lot line from where
the house would be and added that she, herself, has a driveway
one-tenth of a mile long. Chairman May offered that he would say 169
feet plus 25 feet, judging from the sketch.
Town Councilwoman Raffensperger stated that she had a question as
to the Planning Board' s consideration of a subdivision, that is, the
approval of a lot which is not yet legal -- in other words, there is
no legal lot until the Zoning Board of Appeals permits a variance.
Town Councilwoman Raffensperger offered that the Zoning Board of
Appeals acts within very narrow legal limits and for the Planning
Board to act in advance of that is prejudicial.
Mr. Klein pointed out that the Planning Board has been doing
this, adding that the Zoning Ordinance requires it.
Town Attorney Barney offered that it seemed to him that the
logical route is for the Planning Board to look at it, adding that
there is no point to getting a lot unless a variance is granted and,
also, it is fruitless for the Zoning Board of Appeals to look at it if
there is no subdivision.
Attorney Holmberg stated that the two approvals are also mutually
dependent in that lot 3 is not much good without access.
Town Attorney Barney noted that sub-section 3 of Section 280-a of
the Town Law talks about, or contemplates that, other requirements
have been met and, without subdivision, those other requirements could
not be met.
Mr. Klein recalled comments made at other meetings about access
by, he thought, Mr. Armstrong, who has a barn and a path. Attorney
Holmberg stated that there is no right of way involving Mr. Armstrong,
adding that he does have a path and a barn, however, they are not
related.
Mrs . Langhans stated that she did ask about that at an earlier
meeting and he [Armstrong] said he had no legal right of way but he
has used it.
Referring to the Sketch of proposed Lot 3 , attached to the
proposed Subdivision Plan [Survey Map] , Mr. Klein noted that the
proposed house had been sketched in at a spot next to the drive. Mr.
Klein wondered how one would consider the setbacks for front yard and
side yard and pointed out that the boundary with the Church is only
120 feet deep. Mr. Klein offered that if you set the house back 40
feet, or a 50-foot set back, you take out the backyard.
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Mr. Craig Pease, Dr . Razzaq' s Contractor, spoke from the floor
and stated that he had drawn a proposed plot plan for that particular
lot and asked if the Board would like to see it. Attorney Holmberg
noted that the driveway will be moved west to make a better access
into the Church, commenting that this sometime use sort of grew up
over the years when it was nice and empty open space. Referring to
the Sketch, Attorney Holmberg pointed out where the Church parking lot
is, were it shown on the plan. Mr. Pease showed the Board the plan he
had, whereupon it was noted that the Board members had that plan
before them. Discussion followed around the table among the Board
members and Mr. Pease as they perused the drawing. Chairman May
indicated that there appeared to be confusion over land being deeded
to the Church. Mr. Fabbroni clarified that situation by pointing out
on the drawing what was going to happen. Town Attorney Barney
wondered where the setback would be and 39 feet was discussed. Mr.
Fabbroni commented that the Church parking lot is on what they thought
was their land, which it apparently is not, but which will become
their land. Discussion ensued with respect to a pin set in the road
as well as other pins. Mr. Pease showed Mrs. Langhans individually
what was what. Dr. Razzaq talked about bushes and explained that he
had visited the site with a gentleman from the Church and the Attorney
where there was agreement to take out two bushes and widen the road.
Mr. Charles Dalkert, 105 Honness Lane, spoke from the floor and
stated that, in re plans to leave the road the same on Honness Lane,
he wondered if "we" are only talking about the Church end. Dr. Razzaq
responded that they are definitely going to improve the roadway. Dr.
Razzaq described how they went on a rainy day, spoke of gravel on the
road, and stated that he wanted it to be absolutely clear about there
going to be small ditches and proper drainage as soon as they finish
building the new house at 117 Honness Lane [Lot 2] . Mr. Dalkert
cautioned that before you go pushing everything around and changing
the location of the fence, everyone should be aware that the fence
became the boundary lines, adding that those fences have been there
for ten years. Dr. Razzaq reiterated his description of the
discussions with respect to the road and the bushes and the bend in
the roadway, adding that there are just bushes there, no fence, and
further adding that the Church people agreed. Mr. Dalkert pointed out
that those bushes are hedge fences. Mr. Fabbroni commented that the
two bushes are on the Church land. Mr. Ralph Button, of the Hillside
Alliance Church, asked how long it was there, commenting that the area
used to be the Blatchley Farm back then. Attorney Holmberg agreed,
adding that the roadway was a farm lane then. Attorney Holmberg
described how the land became divided between two members of the
family at that spot, adding that the lane has been in existence for a
long while.
Chairman May stated that the Town Attorney had just spoken to him
and raised a question with respect to the Survey and the depth of
proposed Lot 3 which seems to be 147 feet, not 150 feet. Town
Attorney Barney indicated that the depth was not ascertainable.
Attorney Holmberg indicated on the map and stated that she thought
Town Attorney Barney will find there to be 100 feet "here" and 150
feet "here" , with the total acreage involved being over half an acre.
Planning Board 22 April 15, 1986
Town Attorney Barney pointed out that there need be 150 feet from the
right of way line. Discussion followed having to do with not knowing
exactly what the situation was since the map was a photocopy.
Attorney Holmberg showed on the map where the line would go and noted
over 200 feet of land. Mr. Fabbroni wondered if a scale would be of
help to Town Attorney Barney, with Town Attorney Barney responding
that he would like a professional surveyor to tell him what the
distances were. Attorney Holmberg stated that she did not know how
one can compute it when one does not have a rectangular lot, and
suggested that the Board could, perhaps, resolve that dilemma by
conditioning approval on that 150 feet being there. Mr. Fabbroni
asked if "this" road were to be relocated to try to be within "this"
new boundary line, whereupon a discussion followed with respect to the
150 feet question and whether it is measured from the edge of the
right of way. Mr. Pease offered that even if you took off ten feet,
he scaled 200 feet. Town Attorney Barney, Attorney Holmberg, Chairman
May, and Mr. Pease spent considerable time pouring over the map.
Mr. Dalkert spoke from the floor and pointed out that during the
discussion, earlier, it had been said that there was going to be a
change in the road surface. Dr. Razzaq responded that that was
correct, adding that it will be gravel. Mr. Dalkert wondered about a
ditch on the west side. Attorney Holmberg stated that the drainage
was on the east side of the roadway. Mr. Fabbroni wondered if Mr.
Dalkert were questioning the wisdom of the drainage ditch on the upper
side of the road. Mr. Dalkert replied that he was, and added that he
did not want it in his backyard or in his basement. Mr. Button
offered that they think that is the best place.
Chairman May commented that the Zoning Board of Appeals is the
Lead Agency, whereupon further discussion ensued, with Town Attorney
Barney offering that the Planning Board had chosen lead agency as this
was a subdivision. Mrs . Langhans noted that there seemed to be two
things for the Board to speak to -- the resubdivision and a
recommendation on 280-a.
MOTION by Mrs. Virginia Langhans, seconded by Mrs . Barbara
Schultz :
RESOLVED, that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approve and
hereby does approve the re-subdivision of two lots, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcels No. 6-58-2-39 .11 and 6-58-2-39 . 12 , located at 119 Hon ness
Lane, into three lots, as shown on Survey Map entitled "Survey Map
Showing Proposed Subdivision of Lands of Muhammad & Khurshid Razzaq,
[Lots #1 , 2 , and 3] , [Tax Map Parcels 58-2-39. 11 , 39. 12] , Honness
Lane, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York" , dated February 28 ,
1986, prepared by T.G. Miller Associates P.C. , signed and sealed by
Allen T. Fulkerson, L.L.S. , and on Attachment to Survey Map entitled
"Proposed Plot Pian for Muhammad & Khurshid Razzaq -- Lot #3 , undated,
both before this Board at Public Hearing this date, April 15, 1986 ,
and
FURTHER RESOLVED, that said Planning Board recommend and hereby
does recommend to the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals that a
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variance from Section 280-a of the Town Law, be granted to permit
development of proposed Lot #3 not fronting on a public street.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Langhans.
Nay - May, Klein, Baker, Schultz .
Abstain - Mazza.
Chairman May stated that the MOTION had failed.
At 9 :20 p.m. , Chairman May informed Dr. Razzaq and Attorney
Holmberg that it would appear that the matter of the Razzaq request
for re-subdivision had been denied by the Planning Board. Attorney
Holmberg thanked the Board for its time and stated that she would have
to consider whether or not withdrawing the request which is to be
before the Zoning Board of Appeals tomorrow night, whereupon she and
her clients departed.
Mr. Fabbroni stated that he would like to ask a question of the
Chair and, having been granted permission to do so, noted that the
Board had taken a negative vote resulting in the subdivision request
being turned down, and asked the Chairman if he would consider taking
an affirmative vote denying the proposal with some findings. Chairman
May stated that he agreed with that.
Chairman May stated that, first, he did not see a need for the
subdivision. Mrs. Langhans commented that the Board had put through
the Loehr house off Crest Lane with no road frontage, although it was
a part of a larger area, and so, in keeping with that train of
thought, if it meets all the legal requirements -- size and so on --
she felt the Board should at least okay it.
Town Attorney Barney suggested that the Board might be willing to
consider findings such as -- (1) the access roadway, or driveway, will
not provide adequate access for emergency vehicles; (2) the way the
lot is laid out is not readily susceptible to the building of a house
that would meet normal side yards and setbacks; (3) the siting of a
third house between a barn and a Church is undue and unnecessary
density; (4) from an aesthetic standpoint, it does not seem to fit in
with the character of the neighborhood; (5) an inappropriate
precedent might occur which could affect other R15 lots in the Town
with depths more than the minimum; (6) the two lots requested for
resubdivision into three lots were part of the Blatchley Subdivision
recently reviewed by the Planning Board.
MOTION by Mr. David Klein, seconded by Mr. James Baker:
RESOLVED, that, in the matter of the request of Muhammad and
Khurshid Razzaq for the re-subdivision of two lots , Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcels No. 6-58-39. 11 and 6-58-2-39. 12 , located at 119 Honness Lane,
into three lots, as shown on Survey Map entitled "Survey Map Showing
Proposed Subdivision of Lands of Muhammad & Khurshid Razzaq, [Lots #1 ,
2, and 3] , [Tax Map Parcels 58-2-39 . 11 , 39.121 , Honness Lane, Town of
Planning Board 24 April 15, 1986
Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York" , dated February 28, 1986 , prepared
by T.G. Miller Associates P.C. , signed and sealed by Allen T.
Fulkerson, L.L.S. , and on Attachment to Survey Map entitled "Proposed
Plot Plan for Muhammad & Khurshid Razzaq -- Lot #3 , undated, both
before the Town of Ithaca Planning Board at Public Hearing this date,
April 15 , 1986 , said Planning Board find and hereby does find:
1 . that the access roadway, or driveway, will not provide adequate
access for emergency vehicles,
2. that the way the lot is laid out is not readily susceptible to
the building of a house that would meet normal side yards and
setbacks,
3 . that the siting of a third house between a barn and a Church will
cause undue and unnecessary density,
4. that, from an aesthetic standpoint, it does not seem to fit with
the character of the neighborhood,
5 . that an inappropriate precedent might occur which could affect
other R15 lots in the Town having lot depths in excess of the
minimum,
6 . that there is no need for such resubdivision, it being that the
two lots requested for resubdivision into three lots were part of
the Blatchley Subdivision recently reviewed and approved by the
Planning Board;
AND, FURTHER RESOLVED, that, based on the foregoing Findings,
said Planning Board deny and hereby does deny the Razzaq resubdivision
request.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - May, Klein, Baker, Schultz.
Nay - Langhans.
Abstain - Mazza.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairman May declared the matter of the Razzaq subdivision duly
closed at 9:30 p.m.
DISCUSSION OF FIVE MILE DRIVE ZONING STUDY
The Board members each had before him/her a copy of the
"Preliminary Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement for the
Rezoning of Lands in the Area of Five Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca, New
York" , dated April 11, 1986 , as prepared by Susan C. Beeners, Town
Planner, comprised of 16 pages of text, Appendices A, B, and C, and 5
maps.
Ms. Beeners reported that the Town Board is proposing to amend
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the Zoning Ordinance by rezoning some 160 acres of land lying within
1 ,500 feet of Five Mile Drive, the project area being shown on Map #1 ,
and the full description of the land being considered being shown on
Maps #2 and #3. Ms. Beeners stated that the land is presently zoned
for a variety of purposes -- multiple residence, R9 high density
residential, R15 medium density residential, R30 low density
residential, light industrial, and heavy industrial. Ms. Beeners
commented that the rezoning will substantially change the possible
future character of this area by eliminating all light and heavy
industrial zoning and most of the R9 zoning, however, it is proposed
to expand the existing multiple residence district to include one
adjacent property which contains a multi-unit dwelling. Ms. Beeners
explained that on the east side of Five Mile Drive north of Coy Glen
Creek, all property which can be served by existing public utilities
is proposed to be zoned R15 , but, all property on the west side of
Five Mile Drive north of the Coy Clen intersection currently zoned R9
and served by public utilities will remain R9 . Ms. Beeners stated
that all remaining property with the exception of the multiple
residence district, as expanded, is proposed for rezoning at R30 . Ms.
Beeners pointed out that all presently legal land uses will be
permitted to continue although the rezoning might make them
non-conforming.
Ms. Beeners commented that there were a few corrections to the
maps in the GEIS before the Board and a few things that did not get in
there that she wanted to mention. Ms. Beeners affixed four maps to
the bulletin board and referred to them as she spoke. Ms. Beeners
spoke of and pointed out the R9 parcels that can be served by public
utilities, adding that these R9 designations are proposed for
elimination and are shown in orange. Ms. Beeners also pointed out the
proposal for the elimination of a good amount of light industrial and
industrial with those areas proposed as R30 low density. Ms. Beeners
reiterated that around 160 acres of land is affected. Ms. Beeners
pointed out the one exception mentioned which is the slight expansion
of the existing multiple residence zone to include a parcel right
across the street from that existing multiple residence zone where
there is a five-unit building and also to expand the zone south of
Fidler Road -- south , to make some corrections as to what was
originally established and to include some residences on the south
side, in other words, to consolidate and correct some areas and uses .
Ms. Beeners spoke of the Land Use portion of the Statement,
commenting that she had done a "windshield survey" and had utilized
information given to her by the Building Inspector, Mr. Cartee, also.
Ms. Beeners noted that the land in the project area is used for
residential, industrial, commercial, open space and public purposes,
and agricultural -- as shown on Map #5. Ms. Beeners stated that at
this time, single-family, low-density development is the predominant
land use with 20 dwelling units in the project area, adding that
several of the single family parcels contain pastures or croplands.
Ms. Beeners commented that outside of the multiple residence district
where there are three three-family dwellings and one single-family
dwelling, there are three two-family and one five-unit dwellings. Ms.
Beeners stated that, as she had mentioned, since the five-unit
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dwelling is located directly across from the existing multiple
residence district, it is proposed that this district be expanded to
incorporate this dwelling. Ms. Beeners also noted that a considerable
amount of land is public use/tax exempt; most of the land zoned light
industrial is vacant; the land in the industrial district is vacant --
except for an active agricultural field east of Cayuga Inlet near
Buttermilk Falls Road.
At this juncture, Mr. Fabbroni commented that "those
three-families" [indicating on the map] should only be two families,
adding that if they are for more than two-families , they are not in
compliance. Ms. Beeners offered that she had assumed they were
three-families because there were three front doors. Mr. Fabbroni
stated that when he inspected them, they were two-families. Ms.
Beeners suggested that the one five-unit dwelling across the street
looks like it should definitely be included in the proposed multiple
residence district, if we want consolidation there.
Referring to the land use map, Ms. Beeners noted that the orange
circles indicate three light industrial uses only that are active.
Ms. Beeners noted the Mancini land on Route 13 and stated that it is
out of the scope of this project.
Ms. Beeners suggested that, if the Boards were to go with this
kind of rezoning where industrial land is eliminated, it should be
considered having the staff study other sites for industrial use.
Speaking to Page 13 of the Statement, Ms. Beeners commented that, if
one looks at the industrial uses permitted under the zoning ordinance,
and which would be the ones eliminated, one could consider them
somewhat less than modern, adding that this aspect had been spoken to
in VII, Mitigation Measures, on Page 15.
Ms. Beeners stated that, as she had stated at the beginning,
there are some things which should be in the statement, one of which
is traffic volumes , and another is a topo map which, although listed
in the contents, is not there. Ms. Beeners stated that she also
wanted to see what the existing vegetation is. Ms. Beeners stated
that she had done studies there for the Parks and Open Space Plan
Update in 1984 which was approved by the Town Board in concept and
which identified a potential park site adjacent to the proposed Cayuga
Trail. Ms. Beeners spoke briefly about easements for that proposed
recreational trail which would be developed jointly with the Town and
the City and also about the alienation proceedings with the City with
respect to that proposed park site, proposed for acquisition by the
City as part of a parkland substitution proposal.
Mrs. Langhans inquired if the Town gets many inquiries as to
light industrial proposals . Mr. Fabbroni responded that we get a few,
however, the price of land is so high, it never blossoms. Mr.
Fabbroni suggested that if this much industrial land were to be
removed from the zoning map, the Town ought to take a look at where it
might zone other lands, adding that it could very well be in that same
area -- along Route 13 .
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Ms. Beeners displayed the presently existing Zoning Map for the
Town, pointing out the industrial zones including Therm and NCR.
Chairman May suggested that not only should we be doing a
locations study, we should also reconsider our definition of light
industry and heavy industry.
Town Attorney Barney inquired of Ms. Beeners what her timing on
this proposal might be, with Ms. Beeners responding that she was
trying to observe all of the SEQR timeframes and mesh those with the
Town Board schedule. Ms. Beeners commented that what you see here is
fairly complete and, so, the final draft could be ready for the May
6th Planning Board meeting at which time, considering our discussions
tonight, it would be appropriate to have a public hearing on it and
then consider a recommendation on the rezoning to the Town Board, and
also, recommend that the Town Board be the lead agency on it. Ms.
Beeners spoke briefly about the involved agencies with respect to this
rezoning, mentioning, among others, the County Planning Department and
the City of Ithaca, as a courtesy, adding that there will be a number
who will have a 30-day comment period. Ms. Beeners stated that by May
12th she could see the Town Board reviewing the draft and setting the
date for a public hearing -- June 9th, when, she believed, we would
have had our 30-day lead agency comment period. Ms. Beeners allowed
as how, then, she has questions about a negative declaration
determination -- possibly, July 7th.
Chairman May stated to Ms. Beeners that she had done a very nice
job on this project, adding that the Statement was very well done.
The Board members concurred.
ADJOURNMENT
Upon Motion, Chairman May declared the April 15, 1986 meeting of
the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at 9:59 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Nancy M. Fuller, Secretary,
Town of Ithaca Planning Board.
To: The Town of Ithaca Planning Board XA/W`��.
From: The undersigned residents of 178 Seven Mile Drive and vicinity
W. .
Re: Opposition to the proposed Rezoning of the lands of Paul A. Jacobs from Residence
District R-30 to Residence District R-5 (Mobile Home Park District), located at 136-146
Seven 'Wile Drive, Town of Ithaca, Tax Parcel No. 6-33-2-2 and a portion of Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 6-33-2-1. Paul A. Jacobs, owner/developer. AND FURTHER,
condiseration of Subdivision Approval for a two-lot Subdivision of the lands of Paul A.
Jacobs, 146 Seven Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 6--33-2-1, Paul A. Jacobs,
owner/subdivider.
Date: Presented at the Public Hearings held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on
"play 6, 1986.
It is the understanding of the undersigned that the proposed change will have the effect of
adding between thirty (30) and forty (40) new mobile homes to College View Park. This
(at an average of 2.5 people per mobile home) will add between 75 and 100 additional
people, in a high density situation, to the street. Further, given the absence of public
transportation, this could add as many as sixty (60) to eighty (80) additional cars, regularly
using the street, as well as many additional cars driven by visitors.
The undersigned strenuously oppose the aforementioned Rezoning on the following
grounds:
1. Seven Mile Drive was not built to handle this kind of auto traffic. If the Park is
approached from the Bostwick side, drivers experience a sharp and dangerous curve which
has already been the site of numerous accidents. If approached from Rt. 13, the entry
onto that road is hindered by the absence of a traffic light, making entry both difficult and
time consuming. Further, Seven Mile Drive lacks the appropriate "shoulders" in many
places along the road necessary to handle increased traffic.
2. Seven Mile Drive is a rural street. Heavy farm equipment routinely uses it.
Horseback riders routinely use it. Parents have not, to date, had any undue concerns
regarding the safety of their children on it. Given the inappropriate nature of the road to
handle significantly increased traffic, safety concerns would arise for all of the
aforementioned current users.
3. People who bought homes on Seven Mile Drive and made (or are making) improvements
to those homes, did so on the clear understanding that they were in an R-30 District, with
the value that such a District has. A change to an R-5 District would result in an
immediate, minimum drop in value of between ten percent (106) to fifteen (156) and
possibly more, as based on real estate industry averages, thereby adversly effecting the
investment of "working people", unable to absorb such a loss.
4. This area is not served by public water. Many residents experience water problems,
particularly in the form of slow flowing wells. A sudden increase in population density
could adversely affect the water tables and exacerbate an already problematic water
situation.
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5. Because of the lack of public water, many residents already have concerns regarding
fire protection. An increase in population, particularly in a high density enviroment,
would further add to this problem.
S. Regarding the current status of College View Park:
A. This Park is "grandfathered" under current Zoning. It fails to
meet Zoning regulations even under current R-5 standards, yet alone
R-30 standards. The undersigned question the adviseability of granting
a right to expand such a "non-conforming" property.
B. This Park has already had significant water, sewer and drainage
problems. Residents were advised by the Health Department to boil
their water in 1984 and again in 1985. Once again, expansion of this
Park can only increase these already well established and serious
problems.
7. The undersigned question whether in granting the variance for College View Park, the
Board can reasonably fail to grant such a variance for other such development. The large
amount of open farm land on the street opens the way to what would amount to a total
redefinition of the area. The Board is now faced with the problem of the deciding
whether to retain the basic single family home orientation of the street, or turn it into a
series of mobile home parks.
In conclusion:
1. Given the greater awareness today of the delicate ecological balance maintained by
nature and the obvious threats posed to this area by the increased water consumption and
traffic congestion caused by a sudden increase in population density, it is demanded by the
undersigned that if the Planning Board is inclined to grant this variance, it should do so
only after a full EPA environmental impact study is performed.
2. The undersigned further demand that the Town Board express its willingness, formally
and in writing, to provide Seven Mile Drive with public water and sewers, in the event that
the requested variance is granted and anticipated problems ensue. The Board should
further indicate its committment to improving the road to accomodate the increased
traffic problems following the approval of the requested variance.
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EXHIBIT 2
College View Mobile Home Park was purchased in December 1980 at
a tax sale held by the County. At the time of purchase the Mobile
Home Park had been condemned for five (5) years . Since the pur-
chase the following imnrovments have been made:
1981 Steel septic tanks (500 gallons) in lots #19, 20, 2.3 ,
and 24 were replaced with concrete tanks (1000 qallons) .
Complete replacement of all electrical wireinq in lots#
1 through 16 .
1982 Removed 4X4 posts at each lot and installed all tele-
phone lines underground.
1983 Complete replacement of all electrical wirein.v in lots#
19 ,20, and 22.
Removed all mail boxes from Seven Mile Drive and instal-
led new mail box system in the park area.
1984 Complete replacement of all electrical wireinq in lots#
9 and 10.
Steel septic tanks (500 gallons) in lots #9 and 10 were
replaced with concrete tanks (1000 gallons) .
1985 Installation of a new water pump and chlorinator in the
original well.
1986 Installation of back-up water system (new pump and
water pressure tank) .
Replace College View Park sign on Seven Mile Drive.
Replace night-lights with centrally located mercury
vapor lights .
General up keep and replacement of several older homes
with newer ones.
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