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TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS
APRIL 11. 1979
The Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals met in regular session
on Wednesday, April 11, 1979, in Town Hall, 126 East Seneca Street,
Ithaca, New York, at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Vice Chairman Jack D. Hewett, Edward W. King, Edward N.
Austen, Joan G. Reuning, Lawrence P. Fabbroni (Town
Engineer/Building Inspector), Nancy M. Fuller (Secretary).
ALSO PRESENT: Mrs. James O'Connor, Roger Van de Poel, Josephine Van
de Poel, Charles R. Smith, Loran Marion, Norman Tidd,
Leonard J. Snow, Esq., Richard A. Perry, Margie Rumsey,
David Ludington, Vincent Hinkley, Bion Carpenter, R.C.
Mendiones, Mr. Halgas, Chris Fickes (WTKO News), Mindy
Lasser (WICB News), Laine Acton (WICB News).
Vice Chairman Hewett declared the meeting duly opened at 7:38
p.m. and accepted for the record the Clerk's Affidavit of Posting and
Publication of the Notice of Public Hearings in Town Hall and The
Ithaca Journal on April 2, 1979, and April 6, 1979, respectively,
together with the Secretary's Affidavit of Service by Mail of said
Notice upon the various neighbors of the properties under discussion,
as appropriate, and upon the Appellants and/or their Agents, as
appropriate, on April 3, 1979. Vice Chairman Hewett introduced the
Board members to those present.
APPEAL OF ELIZABETH E. O'CONNOR, APPELLANT, FROM THE DECISION OF THE
BUILDING INSPECTOR DENYING PERMISSION TO BUILD A TWO-FAMILY DWELLING
WITH THE SECOND DWELLING UNIT MORE THAN 50% OF THE FLOOR AREA OF THE
PRIMARY DWELLING UNIT AT 305 BLACKSTONE AVENUE, PARCEL N0,
6-71-1-11.1, ITHACA\, N.Y. PERMISSION IS DENIED UNDER ARTICLE IV,
SECTION 11, PARAGRAPH 21 OF THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING ORDINANCE.
Vice Chairman Hewett declared the Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened at 7:40 p.m. and read aloud from the
Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above.
Mrs. O'Connor was present.
Mrs. O'Connor stated that she wanted to put in the cellar steps
to the other side of the property, commenting that it is 6' to the
other side, and adding that the apartment is more than 50% of the
primary dwelling.
Mr. King asked to see the plans. Mr. Fabbroni stated that the
second unit has a basement and is, therefore, included in the square
footage of that unit, adding that Mrs. O'Connor would like to have
access to the basement for the second unit, rather than the primary
unit having the whole basement. Mr. Fabbroni noted that the 50% of
the second unit is the issue, adding that by changing partitions, they
can do it. Mr. Fabbroni stated that the building is under
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construction and the
Town has the
plans,
and
noted
to the
speak for
basement area
of the
second
unit is
the
issue.
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again that access
Mr. King asked what the percentage is of the second unit. Mr.
Fabbroni stated that the Zoning Ordinance says not to count the
basement area of the primary unit. Mr. Fabbroni stated that the
primary unit contains 1250 square feet; the secondary unit contains
approximately 922 square feet excluding the basement area, which is
over 50%. Mr. Fabbroni noted that these numbers do not include
basement area. Mr. Fabbroni stated that there has been a porch added
to the primary unit.
Mrs. O'Connor stated that they added 6' to the kitchen of the
primary unit and the porch also, adding that she built this for her
mother and brother.
Mr. Fabbroni noted that Mrs. O'Connor lives next door and stated
that that house was built as a duplex with a variance. Mr. Fabbroni
stated that the other property next door is owned by the Church. Mrs.
O'Connor stated that they are the only homes on the street --
Blackstone Avenue -- her present house and the one they are building.
Mr. King asked if
percentage of lot coverage
dwelling contains 2,300
coverage is certainly less
in an R-15 zone,
the dwelling will violate the maximum
on the lot. Mr. Fabbroni stated that the
sq. ft.; the lot is 1001x3001; the lot
than 10%. the Zoning Ordinance allows 20%
Vice
Chairman
Hewett asked if
there
were anyone present who
wished to
speak for
or against this
matter.
No one spoke.
A picture was displayed. The Board members indicated that it
looks like a duplex -- like the other house. Mr. King stated that he
did not see any particular objection to it, and the neighbors
apparently do not either.
Mr. Roger Van de Poel, 1106 Hanshaw Road, spoke from the floor
and stated that he had no objection.
MOTION by Mr. Edward King, seconded by Mr. Edward Austen:
RESOLVED, that the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals grant
and hereby does grant the requested variance to permit Mrs. O'Connor
to construct the second dwelling unit in the subject property at 305
Blackstone Avenue according to the plans which she has submitted to
the Building Inspector of the Town of Ithaca, such granting being a
variance from the requirement of Section 11, Paragraph 2, of the Town
of Ithaca Zoning Ordinance, in that the second dwelling unit will
exceed 50% of the floor area of the primary dwelling unit, the second
unit being 922 square feet proposed, and the primary unit being 1,250
square feet proposed approximately, with each unit having use of the
basement area.
vote.
There being no further discussion, the Vice Chair called for a
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® Aye - Hewett, King, Austen, Reuning,
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
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Vice Chairman Hewett declared the matter of the Elizabeth E.
O'Connor Appeal duly closed at 7:50 p.m.
APPEAL OF NORMAN E. AND LILLIAN Be TIDD, APPELLANTS, FROM THE DECISION
OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENYING PERMISSION TO EXTRACT NATURAL
PRODUCTS FOR REMOVAL AND SALE OF TOPSOIL AT 801 FIVE MILE DRIVE,
PARCEL NO. 6-31-2-18, ITHACA, N.Y. PERMISSION IS DENIED UNDER ARTICLE
XIII, SECTION 70, OF THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING ORDINANCE.
Vice Chairman Hewett declared the Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened at 7:51 p.m. and read aloud from the
Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above.
Attorney Leonard J. Snow was present representing Mr. Tidd.
Attorney Snow presented a
Environmental Assessment Form, a
photographs of the area. Attorney
is 300' x 300' x100' -- a triangle,
on this property,
sketch map, a completed Long
USGS topographic map, and six
Snow stated that the lot involved
adding that there are no buildings
® Mrs. Reuning asked if there has not been some taking of dirt from
there all along, noting that she lives there and has seen it for at
least a year -- trucks, that is. Attorney Snow responded, yes, he
believed so, probably, he suspected, for more than a year, however, he
really did not know.
Attorney Snow stated that, if the Board pleases, this is a
relatively small lot, triangular in shape, about 3491, and 185' across
the back, and points into the corner of Five Mile Drive on a dirt
road. Attorney Snow noted that land in the area is flat, adding that
this lot rises above it, the maximum elevation being less than 30'.
Attorney Snow stated that the Tidd proposal is to level this, noting
that in its present condition, it is not suitable for residential,
but, if flattened, it would be suitable for one home. Attorney Snow
stated that it does have utility for top soil. Attorney Snow stated
that Mr. Tidd would like to level this small hill by removing the top
soil, adding that when the work is done, it would be level, and
further adding that it has some grass and some small shrubs. Attorney
Snow stated that it has a cliff, so possibly this would remove some
kind of a hazard. Attorney Snow stated that Cliff Swallows inhabit
the area, but there are no other unique animals or plants. Attorney
Snow stated that this is the only economical or possible use of the
land.
Vice Chairman Hewettt asked if there were anyone present who
® wished to speak for or against the Tidd Appeal.
Mr. Loran Marion spoke from the floor and stated that he lives on
Burtt Place which is off the Five Mile Drive, adding that he owns the
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property across from the Tidd property and that he also owns property
immediately behind the Tidd property. Mr. Marion stated that Mr. Tidd
has been removing top soil for approximately three years and he had
assumed that he had approval. Mr. Marion stated that, after a great
deal of soul-searching, he has to oppose any further removal of top
soil from the area, adding that he does this on the basis of a pile of
trees, dirt, and rubble piled up at the end of the driveway for at
least three years. Mr. Marion stated that he had no confidence that
Mr. Tidd, when he completes this operation, will in any way attempt to
clean up the area in order to make it appealing for anybody who is
driving into his driveway. Mr. Marion stated that, also, there is a
gas line that runs over the hill, buried 5 feet, which is the property
of NYSEG. Mr. Marion, commenting that it would cost $6,000 to
relocate that line, stated that if the Board agrees to this, he would
like to see a clause that the gas line will be relocated; that there
will not be a ridge along Route 13 to accommodate the gas line. Mr.
Marion stated that he would also like something in there to the effect
that the area will be cleaned up and that there will not be a pile of
trash left, adding that it is an awful mess.
Mr. Marion stated that he was also concerned about the swallows,
adding that Mr. Tidd has dug into a 40 -foot area of that bank and dug
out all those nests, and probably carried off 100 nests of bank
swallows, which was not necessary. Mr. Marion stated that they could
have taken all the dirt they needed in a 12 -to -15 -foot area, adding
that he did not think Mr. Tidd has too much concern for other people
and other beings.
Charles R. Smith, Ph.D., Director of Public Education of the
Cornell University Laboratory of Ornithology, appeared before the
Board to speak to the biological aspects of this matter in regard to
the colony of "cliff swallows". Dr. Smith stated that the birds in
question are "bank swallows", not "cliff swallows, and displayed a
1976 photograph showing 196 nesting covets at the Five Mile Drive
site. Dr. Smith stated that Mr. Paul Finger, of the Tompkins County
Environmental Management Council, has accounted for 13 colonies in
Tompkins County, representing about 670 nests, or 1,340 birds. Dr.
Smith stated that the Five Mile Drive site is a large colony for
Tompkins County, noting that the only other one is in the Town of
Groton where there are about 200 nests. Dr. Smith noted that this
colony represents 30% of all the bank swallows in Tompkins County,
adding that if this colony is disturbed or if the soil is removed
without judicious planning, that 30% will be eliminated and there will
be a loss of anywhere from 400 to 1,000 fledgling birds. Dr. Smith
stated that, in his estimation, this is something that should be given
further consideration and stressed that there should be no disturbance
from April 1st through September 30th, Dr. Smith stated that a
contiguous wetland area also ought to be considered.
Attorney Snow stated that, obviously, you have to have clean-up,
and obviously, it was incorrect to remove top soil without permit;
® that is conceded, there obviously has been removal there for years by
others and the cliff occurred when the excavation ceased.
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® The Secretary entered into the record the following telephone
statement she received from Mrs. Constance E. Cook on April 10, 1979:
"The Zoning Board of Appeals should make every effort to upgrade that
area and fully enforce the law, and, in this case, the Appellant
should be required to level and grade the area so it does not look so
devastated. If the Appellant is allowed to take out top soil, that is
okay, but he should be required to level it and improve the appearance
of the area."
Mr.
King wondered
how
long
have
the Tidds have owned it, with Mr.
Marion
responding, no
more
than
three
years.
Mr. Tidd arrived and stated, probably five or six years;
certainly more than three years. Mr. Tidd stated that he did not want
to run a topsoil operation there. Mr. Tidd, noting that the Board has
seen the pictures, stated that it is a big lump that is not worth
anything to anybody, and added that he agreed with Mrs. Cook that the
area should be improved. Mr. Tidd stated that there are 3,000 to
4,000 cubic yards left, as a guess, to level it, adding that he would
like to level it down to about one foot above the highway, and further
adding that he would like to make a decent building lot out of it.
Mrs. Reuning pointed out that birds nest there. Mr. Tidd
responded, yes, they nest there, but they never did before, adding
that he only made a bigger area out of it, and further adding that
there was excavation even before he owned it. Mr. Tidd commented that
about three years ago, a builder wanted some dirt.
Vice Chairman Hewett noted that Mr. Marion had mentioned a mess
at the end of the lot, including upturned trees along the driveway.
Mr. Tidd responded, yes, they would be part of the general clean-up to
make it a building lot.
Mr. Austen asked, what about the gas line, with Mr. Tidd
responding, yes. when he gets the excavation done, he plans to
relocate the gas line, adding that he has talked to the gas company.
Mr. King asked where the gas line is, with Mr. Tidd responding,
parallel to the road, 13A, on the bank side. Mr. King wondered if
there were plans currently with NYSEG to relocate this gas line, to
which Mr. Tidd responded, verbal only. Mr. King wondered when, to
which Mr. Tidd responded, as soon as he gets the dirt down, adding
that he planned on taking dirt out parallel to the line and back of
it. Mr. King wondered how close, with Mr. Tidd responding, by mutual
agreement.
Mr. King noted that there appeared to be an estimate from NYSEG
that it would cost $6,000, to which Mr. Tidd responded, yes, that is
correct, but if he took the dirt out and did not make that much
excavation and dug a trench, the cost would be minimal.
®Vice Chairman Hewett wondered if, on the building lot, there
would be water and sewer, to which Mr. Tidd responded, no, well water
and septic system.
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Mr. Austen wondered what the regulations
are. Mr. Fabbroni responded that when you
yards, then you have to have a reclamation
particular bank, if the 3,000 to 4,000 yards
within the area of the ZBA. Mr. Tidd offered
office, and you can have a 1,000 a year,
on removing topsoil now
are in excess of 1,000
plan, adding that this
is a good number, falls
that he checked with the
Mr. Fabbroni stated that apparently, the nests are already in
there. Mr. Tidd asked if he would be allowed to go on his lot and
slope it, with Mr. Fabbroni responding, if there were some way to work
around the nesting season this year. Mr. Tidd stated that he believed
he was in his rights if he went down in there with a bulldozer and
sloped the grades so that there would be no hazards, and if he sloped
the grades the way it originally was, the swallows would not nest
there, adding that they have not nested there forever, only since he
started work there.
Mr. Fabbroni stated that the Town would have to look into it a
lot further from the environmental standpoint if Mr. Tidd proposed to
bury the nests that are there; if, on the other hand, we reach some
agreement that he went in there in the fall, that may be acceptable.
Dr. Smith pointed out that the birds are protected under the
Migratory Birds Act from April 1st through September 30th, adding that
the State Statutes have already been violated.
Mr. King wondered at what rate Mr. Tidd planned to remove the
topsoil -- on a regular basis or only sporadically, as he had need,
with Mr. Tidd resonding, probably, in the course of the summer to
level the entire area. Mr. King wondered if Mr. Tidd meant by removal
of topsoil from the site, and asked if Mr. Tidd had any other further
plans for the lot. Mr. Tidd responded, not other than to build a
house down there.
Mr. Fabbroni noted, for information, if you mine less than 1,000
tons a year, then you do not require a mining permit from the State,
you do require the permit under the Town's Zoning Ordinance that Mr.
Tidd is here now for; if you plan to mine more than a 1,000 tons per
year, you have to have a permit from the State DEC. Mr. Tidd asked if
this is being called a mining operation.
Mr. King asked how many cubic yards are in a ton, with Mr.
Fabbroni responding that 1 cubic yard equals 1-1/2 tons.
Mr. Austen wondered if there has ever been a permit issued for
this, to which Vice Chairman Hewett responded, no, there is nothing on
our record giving a permit. Mr. Tidd stated that he never knew he had
to have a permit.
Attorney Snow stated that it is one thing to disturb the birds
is
when the birds are in it, adding that you would not want to disturb
them at nesting time. Attorney Snow stated that he thought we have a
commitment here not to damage the gas line, adding that it would be
possible to work in other areas of the lot. Attorney Snow, commenting
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®that it is a relatively small lot, stated that he thought the area
would be enhanced.
Dr. Smith reiterated that any excavation activities should be
delayed until after September 30th, adding, also there is a contiguous
wetland there.
A brief discussion ensued with regard to drainage.
Attorney Snow
stated
that
he had
indicated that there was no
contiguous wetland,
adding
that
a hill
causes more drainage
problems
than a flat land,
and further
adding
that there is some
flat land
before you actually
get to
the
wetlands
-- about 300'-4001.
Attorney
Snow stated that by
using
good
management, there should be
no runoff
problem.
Mr. King asked Mr. Tidd how many years he had been excavating,
with Mr. Tidd responding that a couple of years ago they took out
several loads of dirt and about three years ago the cliff was created,
adding that the mound was probably there from the highway
construction. Mr. Tidd stated that last summer, late June or early
July 1978, a man wanted some dirt and he said okay, then he went in
and whether he got any he did not know, but Mr. Bonnell said no.
Mrs. Reuning mentioned the flood,of 1972 and wondered if that had
® affected that area. Mr. Marion responded, yes, it ran right into his
cellar door.
Mr. King asked Mr. Tidd what part of this he could currently
excavate without disturbing the birds, with Mr. Tidd responding, the
southern end. Mr. King wondered if that would be in the area of the
pipeline of the Gas and Electric. Mr. Tidd stated that no matter what
area you are in, you run into the area of the pipeline. Mr. King
asked Mr. Fabbroni if he had studied the EAF, to which Mr. Fabbroni
responded, yes, and it needs some correction to indicate that the
birds are there. Mr. Fabbroni pointed out that the form is not
signed. Mr. Tidd signed the form.
Mr. King asked Mr. Tidd if he could do this leveling operation
after October 1st and between October 1st this year and March 31 of
1980. Mr. Tidd stated that he would like permission to start on the
southerly end of that, keeping in mind that we do not want to disturb
the birds in there. Mr. Tidd stated that they do not have a deadline
that they have to meet; it is more of a convenience situation. Mr.
Tidd stated that if the birds are in there, they could work on the
other end of it instead, if they cannot, then they will just have to
wait.
Mrs. Reuning wondered if Mr. Tidd could work with an
ornithologist. Mr. King asked what would happen to the birds if Mr.
® Tidd started excavating, with Dr. Smith responding that it would
disturb the birds. Mr. Tidd asked, what about trucks, noting that
they are used to that noise. Dr. Smith stated that he did not object
to the leveling, but at the appropriate time.
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Mr. King stated that he thought the Board members should see the
site. Vice Chairman Hewett stated that he would like to adjourn this
matter until the Board can visit the site.
MOTION by Mrs. Joan Reuning, seconded by Mr. Edward King:
RESOLVED, by the Town of Ithaca Zoning
matter of the Norman E. and Lillian B.
extraction of natural products for removal
Five Mile Drive be and hereby is adjourned
set after discussion.
Board of Appeals, that the
Tidd Appeal in re the
and sale of topsoil at 801
until a date which will be
There being no further discussion on the MOTION, the Vice Chair
called for a vote.
Aye - Hewett, King, Austen, Reuning.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
After discussion, it was agreed that the Board members will meet
at the site at 11:00 a.m. on Saturday, April 14, 1979. Messrs.
Marion, Smith, Snow, and Tidd will be informed when the Board will
meet next on this matter. The Secretary was directed to inform
Chairman Francese of the on-site visit.
Vice Chairman Hewett declared the matter of the Tidd Appeal duly
adjourned.
APPEAL OF DEWITT HISTORICAL SOCIETY, APPELLANT, FROM THE DECISION OF
THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENYING PERMISSION TO HAVE AN OCCUPIED HOUSE
TRAILER AT 1406 TRUMANSBURG ROAD, PARCEL NO, 6-24-1-25.31 ITHACA, N.Y.
PERMISSION IS DENIED UNDER ARTICLE XIII, SECTION 59, PARAGRAPH b, OF
THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING ORDINANCE.
Vice Chairman Hewett declared the Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened and read aloud from the Notice of
Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above. Mr.
Richard Perry was present.
Vice Chairman Hewett read the following letter, dated April 6,
1979, from Mr. Brian Nevin, President of the DeWitt Historical Society
of Tompkins County to Chairman Peter K. Francese:
"...Notice has been received of a public hearing to be held on 11
April 1979 which notes that the DeWitt Historical Society has appealed
from an unfavorable decision of the Building Inspector to permit the
location of a house trailer on its property at 1406 Trumansburg Road.
Please be advised that the DeWitt Historical Society has not appealed
and does not appeal from such denial. We did not know that such an
® appeal had been made in our name, and do not sanction it. At no time
have we given anyone permission to have the trailer on the property.
In fact, the opposite is true! The location of the trailer on the
property is not consistent with the ownership and use of the property
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® as an historical landmark. Mr. Perry, who husbands the property for
the Society has been advised that the trailer will have to be moved."
MOTION by Mr. Edward King, seconded by Mrs. Joan Reuning:
RESOLVED, by the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals, that the
Appeal of the DeWitt Historical Society be dismissed.
Mr. Perry spoke from the floor and stated that he leases the land
from the DeWitt Historical and there is nothing in his lease that says
he cannot locate a trailer there and have an employee live there as
protection from vandalism and theft.
Mr. King pointed out that there is no appellant.
Mr. Perry spoke of pilfering and vandalism and stated that the
Sheriff's Department has done nothing. Mr. Perry stated that he
placed it there at a time when it was not feasible to have it moved
anywhere else, adding that he would move it if he were given
permission.
Mr. King stated that he could see no objection to continuing with
the hearing, but with that basis. Mr. King asked Mr. Perry if he had
his lease with him, with Mr. Perry responding, no. Vice Chairman
Hewett offered that he took it that the weather was the problem. Mr.
Perry stated that he has written DeWitt and has received no response.
Mr. Perry stated that his lease requires an arbitration committee of
three people, if he were granted the permission to place the trailer
in a suitable place. Mr. Perry mentioned Indian Creek Fruit Farm
comprised of 87 acres and stated that he leases the total land, that
is, everything but the house. Mr. Perry stated that over five years'
time there has been considerable loss by kids that are free to roam
the premises because there is no one there except the curator in the
Frear house, adding that he has lost produce, machinery, money.
Mr. King asked if someone lives in the trailer, to which Mr.
Perry responded, yes, the man that runs the fruit stand and works for
him.
Mr. Fabbroni wondered what kind of sanitary procedures Mr. Perry
would have. Mr. Perry stated that they will meet the requirements of
the Health Department, adding that there is water there from a well,
and electricity from a pole there.
Vice Chairman Hewett read from the Appeal Form as signed and
submitted by Mr. Perry under date of March 13, 1979, as follows:
...We need protection from vandalism and theft which the Sheriff's
Dept. has been unable to give us in the past. By having an employee
living in this mobile home, we can solve a housing problem as well as
protect my machinery and merchandise from neighboring kids who have in
® the past, destroyed machinery and have stolen from the barns and fruit
stand. The party living in the south part of the Frear house is
located too far from the buildings in question and is only there part
of the time. I therefore request a variance from the town
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ordinance."
Vice Chairman Hewett read from Article XIII, Section 59,
Paragraph b, of the Ordinance, as follows: "Upon special approval of
the Zoning Board of Appeals to be reviewed each year, one mobile home
for each property owner shall be permitted in all agricutural and R30
districts, provided that one of the occupants of said mobile home
shall be a full time agricultural employee of the property owner or a
bona fide agricultural student doing agricultural work for the
property owner."
Mr. King asked if the property were zoned R-30 or R-15, to which
Mr. Fabbroni responded that the parcel is split between R15 and Ag and
where Mr. Perry wants the trailer is in an R30 or an Ag district,
adding that the portion of the property that is farmed is in Ag. Mr.
Fabbroni commented that R15, as he has viewed it, is a little strange
for this piece of land, adding that R15 usually connotes land that has
public water and sewer available to it, and further adding that this
is a little peculiar to be zoned R15 -- a 15,000 -square -foot building
lot would probably never be approved.
Vice Chairman Hewett asked if there were anyone present who
wished to speak on this matter. No one spoke.
Mr. Austen asked Mr. Perry where he would propose to put the
® trailer if the Board so decided, with Mr. Perry responding, wherever
the Zoning Officer recommends, and also the DeWitt Historical Society,
Mr. Fabbroni offered that the factors of the well and the
electricity create a different perspective, adding that he had
envisioned it up by the barn. Mr. Perry offered that, if they could
have it, they would put it near the barn but in a way to be able to
see the fruit stand. Mr. King noted that there is a well near there,
to which Mr. Perry responded, yes. Mr. King suggested that, if Mr.
Perry could get the consent of the DeWitt Historical, he did not think
the Board will have any problem with it, that is, with agreement from
DeWitt for proper location and screening.
Mr. Fabbroni stated that he would suggest some other things: (1)
Mr. Perry could dig the test holes now, and explore the possbility of
septic fields, and (2) in the meantime, he could go up there and look
at the potential site behind the fruit stand, (3) take pictures from
the north and the south as to views; (4) do a test on the soil and
verify that it is a potable source of water. Mr. Fabbroni stated that
with these four things, the Board would be in a better position to
make a decision.
MOTION by Vice Chairman Hewett, seconded by Mrs. Joan Reuning:
RESOLVED, that the matter of the Richard Perry request to
® a mobile home on the farm he leases from the DeWitt Historical
be and hereby is adjourned to April 30, 1979, in order for the
and Mr. Fabbroni to be ready to return.
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Society
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® There being no further discussion, the Vice Chair called for a
vote.
Aye - Hewett, Austen, King, Reuning,
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Vice Chairman Hewett declared the matter of the DeWitt Historical
Society Appeal duly adjourned at 9:15 p.m.
APPEAL OF JAMES A. FREEMAN, APPELLANT, MARGIE RUMSEY, AS AGENT, FROM
THE DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENYING PERMISSION TO SUBDIVIDE
A LOT INTO TWO LOTS LESS THAN 15,000 SQ. FT. IN AREA AT 1450
SLATERVILLE ROAD, PARCEL NO. 6-58-2-30, ITHACA, N.Y. PERMISSION IS
DENIED UNDER ARTICLE XIII, SECTION 67, AND ARTICLE IV, SECTION 16, OF
THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING ORDINANCE.
Vice Chairman Hewett declared the Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened at 9:16 p.m. and read aloud from the
Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above.
Ms. Rumsey was present.
Ms. Rumsey stated that Mr. Freeman is requesting permission to
build a second small house in the rear and a variance is needed to do
® so. Ms. Rumsey stated that the existing house is very small and is a
very unique house, being a one -bedroom under FHA and a three-bedroom
for tax purposes.
Mrs. Reuning wondered about access to the second lot, with Ms.
Rumsey responding, through an existing driveway around a garage to the
back lot.
Mr. King wondered what Mr. Freeman would do with his family --
split it, half in one house?
Vice Chairman Hewett asked if there were anyone present who would
like to be heard on one side or the other. There appearing to be no
response, Vice Chairman Hewett asked if there were anyone present in
favor of the request. No one spoke. Vice Chairman Hewett asked if
there were anyone present in opposition to the request.
Mr. David Ludington and Mr. Vincent Hinckley indicated from the
floor that they were in opposition, noting that they border the
Freeman property on the west. Mr. Bion Carpenter also indicated his
opposition and stated that he resides less than one-half mile away.
Mr. R. C. Mendiones also indicated his opposition and stated that he
resides next door. Mr. Halgas voiced his opposition.
Mr. Ludington, 1456 Slaterville Road, asked what the purpose of
® this second building was, wondering if it were for the same family for
additional living space, or is the suggestion here approval for a
second lot -- a second family. Ms. Rumsey stated that the buyer is
interested for his family. Mr. Ludington wondered if the matter
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® actually being discussed here was about subdividing a lot, adding that
he was opposed to that. Mr. Ludington stated that the neighborhood
lots are large and he could see no reason why that small a lot with
that small a house should be permitted back away from the road.
Mr. Carpenter, 1467 Slaterville Road, stated that he would
question the need for subdividing the lot for one family, adding that
it would make very small lots for the area in relation to the others.
Mr. Mendiones, 1452 Slaterville Road, stated that he opposed the
subdivision of that lot whether crosswise or lengthwise, adding that
he is next door to Mr. Freeman's house. Mr. Mendiones stated that one
of the reasons why he opposed vigorously is the fact that if given
permission to divide that lot and build another house, the density of
population would be increased. Mr. Mendiones stated that another
thing is that he would like that neighborhood to be as it is, adding
that the houses are far apart and the houses are built there nicely
and far apart with a wide space to look at. Mr. Mendiones stated that
another thing is that if a Board will approve dividing this lot and
another house built in there, he was very sure that it is not going to
be the owners who buy this lot to build that house and then to be
rented, which would mean an additional increase, therefore, he would
like, personally, to have that neighborhood stay as it is.
Mr. Hinkley, 1446 Slaterville Road, stated that he would not
® agree to a variance for a separate standard lot without road frontage
for two reasons: (1) is there a hardship involved in this case? Mr.
Hinkley stated that he could see no undue hardship involved here, and,
(2) it would appear that a house to the rear of another one does
present a fire hazard, just in the delay of time in getting equipment
to that house in the rear which could be a danger to the house on the
other side. Mr. Hinkley stated that he would be opposed to this
variance. Mr. Hinkley stated that another question he would raise is
that the garage is now being occupied by another party and asked if a
variance has been granted for approval of occupancy in the garage.
Mr. Fabbroni stated that if the use of the garage is by another
party who is not a resident of the house and this use does not predate
zoning, then it is an illegal use.
Mr. Hinkley offered that this would be a third dwelling on this
land.
Mr. Halgas stated that he opposed the Board changing its mind as
to the denial.
Ms. Rumsey stated that if Mr. Hinkley is interested in that
garage - it is occupied by a blood relative, adding that if he is
interested as a busybody, it is okay.
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It was noted that the set back is out of order.
Mr. Ludington stated that this appeal was falsely presented,
adding that it was not even necessary for this to be here if he just
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Mr. Fabbroni pointed out that you cannot have two dwellings as
separate structures on one lot.
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really,
density.
Rumsey stated that she would like to better understand,
the concern of these people here, adding that it sounds like
Mr. Halgas stated that he liked the freedom of the country.
Ms. Rumsey spoke of the proposed owner's need for more room.
Mr. Fabbroni stated that, apparently, the potential buyer wants
more room, so he is going to build two separate houses so that he can
walk back and forth to and from each house. Vice Chairman Hewett
commented that he would wonder how long the family would put up with
this, and asked what would happen if he sold it, commenting that it
would be difficult. Ms. Rumsey responded that, in her opinion, it
would not be difficult.
Mr. Fabbroni offered that
looking at the pictures, an
somewhere between the garage and
build a new building in the back
if the problem is more space, from
architect could design an addition
the existing house, adding to have to
for room is the primary purpose.
Ms. Rumsey stated that they told her that they want a separate
building at the back with a separate lot. Mr. Austen stated that it
does not meet Section 16 of the Ordinance. Ms. Rumsey indicated that
the parcel is almost 28,000 square feet in size, adding that he is
more concerned with building a separate house. Mr. Fabbroni stated
that you cannot build a second house on one lot, even if you did not
have a separate lot, reiterating that you cannot build a second house
on that lot now without a variance.
Ms. Rumsey wondered about a variance for a second unit on this
lot, adding, let's drop the second lot, and further adding, let's
consider one lot with a separate building on it with a variance so
that it is the same family.
Mr. King stated that usually the Notice of the Appeal states the
purpose and this Notice is for a subdivision. Ms. Rumsey asked if she
could, on his behalf, drop that request, with Mr. King responding that
Ms. Rumsey could file a new appeal for that purpose. Ms. Rumsey
commented on bringing all these people back. Mr. Fabbroni pointed out
that Ms. Rumsey is talking about a second building, and stated, so,
let's talk about it on a second lot, adding, to change the appeal
would not probably change the discussion.
Mr. King stated that he, personally, feels that the Board is
® being asked to grant an area variance and a use variance and there is
no particular hardship or special circumstance being shown where the
Board has any right to grant such a variance. Mr. King stated that he
could understand the man's desires, however, he did not see anything
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® in this that merits a variance or a separate lot.
Mr. Ludington commented that if he loves the lot, he could expand
the existing house.
Mr. Austen stated that he saw nothing that would really permit
the Board to do this.
MOTION by Mr. Edward King, seconded by Mr. Edward Austen:
RESOLVED, that the Zoning Board of Appeals of the Town of Ithaca
deny and hereby does deny the Appeal of James A. Freeman, Appellant,
Margie Rumsey, as Agent, from the decision of the Building Inspector
denying permission to subdivide a lot into two lots less than 15,000
square feet in area at 1450 Slaterville Road, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No. 6-58-2-30, for the reason that there has been no showing of
unnecessary hardship to justify the granting of the application to
subdivide nor for a variance for the purpose of constructing a second
dwelling on the parcel.
There being no further discussion, the Vice Chair called for a
vote.
Aye - Hewett, King, Austen, Reuning.
Nay - None.
® The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Vice Chairman Hewett declared
Appeal duly closed,
ADJOURNMENT
the matter of the James A. Freeman
Upon Motion, Vice Chairman Hewett declared the April 11, 1979
meeting of the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals duly closed.
Jack D. Hewett, Vice Chairman.
Respectfully submitted,
Nancy M. Fuller, Secretary,
Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals.
Town of Ithaca
Zoning
Board of Appeals Meetings of April 11, 1979,
adjourned
to April
30,
1979.
IN THE MATTER OF A PUBLIC HEARING HELD ON WEDNESDAY, APRIL 11,
1979, AND ADJOURNED TO MONDAY, APRIL 30, 1979:
APPEAL OF NORMAN E. AND LILLIAN B. TIDD, APPELLANTS, FROM THE
DECISION OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR DENYING PERMISSION TO EXTRACT
NATURAL PRODUCTS FOR REMOVAL AND SALE OF TOPSOIL AT 801 FIVE MILE
DRIVE, PARCEL NO. 6-31-2-18, ITHACA, N.Y. PERMISSION IS DENIED
UNDER ARTICLE XIII, SECTION 70, OF THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING
ORDINANCE.
PRESENT: Jack D. Hewett,
Edward W. King
Edward N..Austen
Joan Reuning
FINDINGS OF FACT:
Vice -Chairman
WHEREAS, the subject property, which is nearly triangular in
shape and is located on the easterly side of Five Mile Drive at
its intersection with the southwesterly line of a private dirt
road, contains a natural grassy mound of sandy loam which rises
as much as fifteen feet above the general level of the area, viz.,
from a general level of about 405 feet MSL to something in excess
of 420 feet MSL, and contains approximately one acre of land with
perhaps something less than 10,000 cubic yards of such "topsoil"
material thereon above such approximated 405 foot MSL level; and
WHEREAS, such soil deposits have been excavated, and material
removed, from these sites on the northerly end of the lot, exten-
sive excavations having been made on the westerly side of the
mound with two lesser excavations on the easterly side thereof
leaving exposed steep banks, in two of which, bank swallows have
nested in 1977 and 1978; and
WHEREAS, evidence presented to the Board of Appeals indicated
that many of the nests and fledgling birds were destroyed last
summer by mining of the bank on the northeasterly face of the
mound; and it appears from the evidence that the birds will nest
in the bank only if it presents a rather -.precipitous face, and
that disruption of the bird habitat is to be avoided during the
nest.ing season which runs from approximately late April into late
August each year; and the Board having visited the site on April
140 1979, and there being no bank swallows in evidence at that
time, contrary to expectations that the birds might arrive as
early as April 1st; and
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WHEREAS, Section 70 of the Zoning Ordinance of the Town of
Ithaca provides for the regulation of the extraction of natural
products by requiring the Special Approval of the Zoning Board of
Appeals, such section requiring the submission of a plan of the
proposed project and proposed removal, with proposed regrading
and replanting of the property upon completion, the Board being
enjoined to take into account the possible future development of
land and the possible nuisance or detriment of the operation; and
the Board being empowered to impose such conditions as it deems
necessary to protect the general welfare of the community, such
possible conditions including placing time limits upon operations
and requiring a performance bond; and
WHEREAS, in addition to the finding of the foregoing facts
recited hereinabove, the Board further finds that:
(1) The property is in a Residential District R-9.
(2) There has been a substantial amount of brush, tree
roots, and debris collected and piled along the roadway at the
northerly end of the lot; and beer cans and other debris have I
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been deposited on other portions of the lot.
(3) A buried gas pipe line runs along the westerly side of
the lot parallel to Five Mile Drive, and it is reputedly buried
about 5 feet deep and runs over the top of the hill; and it
would be quite expensive to excavate to -the considerable depth
now necessary to drop such lot to an approximate 405 foot MSL l
level, but that if material were excavated from the immediate
area of the line, it could then be re -buried at the new level I
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without undue expense.
(4) It may be possible to conduct mining operations on the
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southerly side of the lot or'on the-more•gradualiy-sloped open i
--faces of the bank where no birds are nesting, without .unduly
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disturbing nesting bank swallows on the other open faces of the
mound, but the situation would have to be carefully monitored
during any operation conducted between April 1st and September j
30th tobe sure that the operations were not injurious to such
swallows as may be nesting there.
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(5) The appellant desires to remove the entire mound within
the next twenty-four months and to level and grade the lot to a
level near the present elevation of the roadway, viz., about the
405 foot MSL contour; and he has expressed his willingness to
attend to relocation of the gas pipe line to below such level so
that it would not be left buried in a ridge at its present loca-
tion (such possible pipe line ridge being deemed by the Board an
objectionable feature which must be avoided in these operations);
now, therefore,
BE IT RESOLVED, that the Zoning Board of Appeals of the Town
of Ithaca grant and hereby does grant Norman E. and Lillian B.
Tidd, a Special Permit under Section 70 of the Town of Ithaca
Zoning Ordinance to remove the top soil material from the site
of his property down to a level of approximately 405 feet MSL
in accordance with their plan, within the next thirty (30) months
this approval being expressly contingent upon the following:
1. That existing debris along the westerly site of the
property be removed promptly hereafter, and, that generally
during the operations they see that the site is kept clear of
debris.
2. That the operations be stopped at any time after it
appears that the bank swallows have moved in and that the opera-
tions are in any way upsetting or jeopardizing the birds.
3. That Mr. Tidd supply to the Enforcement Officer such
agreement as he can obtain with the New York State Electric and
Gas Company for the eventual relocation of the gas pipe line,
before the expiration of these thirty months, to below the new
surface level of approximately 405 feet MSL.
4. That Mr. Tidd either post.a performance -bond -running to
the Town of Ithaca or a letter of credit in an amount which would
be $14,000.00 more than the cost of lowering the pipe line to the
desired level, the performance bond or the letter of credit
being conditioned upon the completion of this leveling of the
property within the thirty months and completion -of the plan
generally.
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MOVED by Mr. Edward W. King, seconded by Mr.,Edward N. Austen.
Aye - Jack D. Hewett, Edward W. King, Edward N. Austen, Joan
Reuning.
Nay - None.
Carried unanimously.
STATE OF NEW YORK
COUNTY OF TOMPKINS ) SS:
TOWN OF ITHACA )
I, Nancy M. Fuller, Deputy Town Clerk of the Town of Ithaca,
New York, and Secretary to the Zoning Board of Appeals of said
Town, do hereby certify that the foregoing resolution is a true
and exact copy of a resolution duly adopted by the Zoning Board
of Appeals of said Town of Ithaca at an adjourned Public Hearing
held on the 30th day of April, 1979, with all members of said
Board of Appeals having had due and proper notice thereof, and a
Notice.of such Public Hearing having been duly and properly poste
and published on April 2, 1979, and April 6, 1979, respectively,
and said Notice of Public Hearing having been served by mail upon
the various neighboring property owners on April 3 and April 24,
1979, and that the same is a complete copy of the whole of such
resolution.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and the
Corporate seal of the Town of Ithaca, New York, this 10th day of
May, 1979.
Nancy M, duller, Deputy Town Clerk
and Secretary, Zoning Board of Appeal
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