HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 2012-08-07TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
215 North Tioga Street
Ithaca, New York 14850
Tuesday. August 7. 2012
AGENDA
7:00 P.M. Persons to be heard (no more than five minutes).
7:05 P.M. SEQR Determination: EcoVillage Gourd Workshop, Rachel Carson Way.
7;05 P.M. PUBLIC BDEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Gourd
Workshop located along Rachel Carson Way at EcoVillage at Ithaca, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 28-1-
26.84, Planned Development Zone No. 8. The proposal involves constructing a 900 +/- square foot building
in an open field to be used as a workshop, display area, and office. The project also includes a gourd garden,
garden fencing, entrance paths and new landscaping. EcoVillage at Ithaca Village Association Inc., Owner;
Graham Ottoson, Applicant; Noah Demarest, Agent.
7:20 P.M. SEQR Determination: Frandsen 18-Lot Subdivision, Park Lane.
7:20 P,M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary Subdivision Approval for the proposed 18-lot
subdivision located off Park Lane south of John Street, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 56-3-13.2 and 57-2-
1.2, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves the construction of one new road
(approximately 1,237 feet long) to provide access to 16 new residential lots and one lot dedicated for
stormwater facilities. The project will also include the installation of new water, sanitary sewer, and storm
sewer systems. William P. Frandsen, Owner/Applicant; Theodore E. Lauve, P.E., Agent.
7:45 P.M. SEQR Determination: College Crossings Modifications, Danby Road.
7:45 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and Special Permit for the
proposed modifications to the College Crossings Development project located on the northeast comer of the
Danby Road (NYS Route 96B) and King Road East intersection, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 43-1-3.23,
Neighborhood Commercial Zone. The proposed modifications include changes to the stormwater
management plans and using the second floor of the new building for residential rental apartments instead of
office space. College Crossings, LLC, Owner/Applicant; Evan N. Monkemeyer, Agent.
8:15 P.M. Consideration of a sketch plan for the proposed Comell University Plantations Botanical Gardens project
located adjacent to the Plantations' Brian C. Nevin Welcome Center (124 Comstock Knoll), Town of Ithaca
Tax Parcel No. 67-1-6, Low Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves the development of a 1 +/-
acre Peony and Perennial Garden and a '>4 +/- acre East Asian Garden around the Welcome Center.
Associated with these new gardens are a small pedestrian bridge, stone seat walls, paths, courtyards, garden
arbor, sculptural stone, bollard lighting, and modifications to the stormwater management plan for the site.
Comell University, Owner/Applicant; David M. Cutter, University Landscape Architect, Agent.
9. Approval of Minutes: July 17,2012
10. Other Business:
11. Adjournment
Susan Ritter
Director of Planning
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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
Tuesday. August 7.2012
By direction of the Chairperson of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that Public Hearings
will be held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday, August 7, 2012, at 215 North Tioga
Street, Ithaca, N.Y., at the following times and on the following matters:
7:05 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Gourd
Workshop located along Rachel Carson Way at EcoVillage at Ithaca, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No. 28-1-26.84, Planned Development Zone No. 8. The proposal involves
constructing a 900 +/- square foot building in an open field to be used as a workshop,
display area, and office. The project also includes a gourd garden, garden fencing,
entrance paths and new landscaping. EcoVillage at Ithaca Village Association Inc.,
Owner; Graham Ottoson, Applicant; Noah Demarest, Agent.
7:20 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary Subdivision Approval for the proposed 18-lot subdivision
located off Park Lane south of John Street, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 56-3-13.2
and 57-2-1.2, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves the construction
of one new road (approximately 1,237 feet long) to provide access to 16 new residential
lots and one lot dedicated for stormwater facilities. The project will also include the
installation of new water, sanitary sewer, and storm sewer systems. William P. Frandsen,
Owner/Applicant; Theodore E. Lauve, P.E., Agent.
7:45 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and Special Permit for the
proposed modifications to the College Crossings Development project located on the
northeast comer of the Danby Road (NYS Route 96B) and King Road East intersection.
Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 43-1-3.23, Neighborhood Commercial Zone. The
proposed modifications include changes to the stormwater management plans and using
the second floor of the new building for residential rental apartments instead of office
space. College Crossings, LLC, Owner/Applicant; Evan N. Monkemeyer, Agent.
Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all persons in support of such matters or objections
thereto. Persons may appear by agent or in person. Individuals with visual impairments, hearing
impairments or other special needs, will be provided with assistance as necessary, upon request. Persons
desiring assistance must make such a request not less than 48 hours prior to the time of the public hearing.
Susan Ritter
Director of Planning
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Wednesday, August 1,2012 | THE ITHACA JOURNAL
TOWN OF ITHACA
PLANNING BOARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC
HEARINGS
Tuesday, August 7,2012
By <treclion of the Chair
person of the Planning
Boani. NOTICE IS HER^
GIVEN that Public Hsarlngs
win beheld by the Planning
Board of the Totvn of Ithaca
on Tuesday, - August 7.
2012, at 215 North Tioga
Street, Ithaca. N,Y.. at the
following times and on the
following matters:
7:05 P.M. Consideration of
Preliminary and Fmd Site
Plan A^roval lor the pr^
posed Gourd Workshop 1^
Gated along Rachel Ceraon
Way at EcoVIBt^ at-IUia-
ca. Town of Ithaca Tax Par
cel No. 28-1-26.84. Plai
ned Deyelopment Zone
NOf 8. The proposal In-
vol^ constrtitiipg a 900
+/- square foot buHdirig m
an open field to fai^used as
a workshop, display area,
and office. The project also
includes a gourd garden,
garden fencing, entrance
paths and new landscaping.
EcoVlllage at Ithaca Vlllege
Assodalion Inc.. Owner;
Grtiiam Otioson. Ap|4l-
caib Noah Demarest.
Agent.
7:20 P.M.ConsideraUon of
Preliminary SuixlMslon Ap
proved for the proposed 18-
lot subdivision located off
Park Lane south of John
Street. Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No.'s 56-3-13.2 and
57-2-1.2, Medium Density
Residential Zone. The pro
posal Involves the corv
struction of one new road
(approximately 1,237 feet
long) to provide access to
1*6 new residential lots aid
one lot dedicated for
slormwater facilities. The
prpjdct will also indude the
installation of new water,
sanitary sewer, and storm
sewer systems. William P.
Frandsen ,
Owner/Applicant; Theo
dore E. Lauve. P.E.. Agpnt.
7:45 P.M. ConsidersUon of
Prellminaty and Rnal Stte
Ffen ^iproval and Special
Permit for the proposed
modifications to die Col
lege Crossings l^evelop-
ment project located'on the
nprdieast comer df tf^;
Derdiy Road (NVS Route
968) and King Road East
interSBCtlbn. Town of Ithaca
Ttot Pared hio. 43-1-3.23,
Neighlwrhood Commercial
Zone. Thd proposed motf^
ficelions Include changes to
the stbrmwater manage
ment plans and using the
second Boor of the new
building for residenhal rent
al apertments Instead of of
fice space. Cdlege Cross
ings. LLC.
Owner/Appllcait;. Evan N.
Monkemeyer, Agent
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hear dl persons in. suppn,
of such matters or ot^
Sons tfiereto. Persons may
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inqiairmeitts or other spe-
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with assistance as neces
sary, upon request. Per
sons desiring assistance
must make such a request
not less tfian 48 hours prior
to the time of tfie public
hearing.
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8/1/2012
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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Tuesday, August 7, 2012
215 N. Tioga Street, Ithaca, NY 14850
Board Members Present:
Fred Wilcox (Chair), Linda Collins, George Conneman, John Beach, Ellen
Baer, Jon Bosak, Eric VanderMaas
Staff Present:
Susan Ritter, Director of Planning; Dan Tasman, Planner; Chris Balestra, Planner;
Mike Smith, Planner; Bruce Bates, Director of Code Enforcement; Creig Hebdon, Town Engineer;
Dan Thaete, Town Engineer; Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt, Attorney for the Town; Deb DeAugistine,
Deputy Town Clerk
Call to Order
Mr. Wilcox called the meeting to order at 7:02 p.m. and accepted the secretary’s posting of the public
hearing notices. He announced that the sketch plan for the proposed Cornell University Plantations
Botanical Gardens project had been postponed.
AGENDA ITEM
Persons to be heard –
No one came forward to address the Board.
AGENDA ITEM
SEQR Determination:
EcoVillage Gourd Workshop, Rachel Carson Way
Noah Demarest and Graham Ottoson were present to give the Board updates and answer questions.
Mr. Demarest stated that they have not made any significant changes since sketch plan; it’s the same
design and concept. They’re coordinating their effort with TREE for the utilities. Mr. Demarest said
that the planting plan for TREE was approved, but that they are making slight modifications to Ra-
chel Carson Way, pushing some parking to the south that they had originally proposed at the corner
of the triangle on the northern tip. To accommodate this, they had to move the plants around, but
they did not change the quantities and species. The plants for Ms. Ottoson’s project are mainly
gourds, so they won’t change.
Mr. Demarest said that the site plan shows more detail in terms of the handicapped accessible parking
space: they’re proposing a stone dust path and a ramp to the porch.
Mr. Wilcox stated that the movement of the TREE plantings is caused by the fact that the paved por-
tion of the road is being moved within the road right–of-way to provide for the parking spaces in
front of the proposed structure. Mr. Demarest agreed and said that Ms. Ottoson is locating her build-
ing relative to the existing edge of the road, so the building could stand alone if the road is never
paved.
Mr. Wilcox stated that he is thrilled with the architectural details.
PB Resolution No. 2012-052: SEQR, Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, EcoVillage Gourd
Workshop, Tax Parcel No. 28-1-26.84, Rachel Carson Way
Moved by John Beach; seconded by George Conneman
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WHEREAS:
1.This action involves consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed
EcoVillage Gourd Workshop project, located along Rachel Carson Way, Town of Ithaca Tax Par-
cel No. 28-1-26.84, Planned Development Zone 8-EcoVIllage. The proposal includes construction
of a one story, ±900 square foot commercial building in an open field to be used as a workshop,
display area, and office. Other improvements include a fenced gourd garden, entrance paths,
new landscaping and parking. EcoVillage at Ithaca Village Association, Inc., Owner; Graham Ot-
toson, Applicant; Noah Demarest, Agent; and
2.This is an Unlisted action, for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is acting as lead agency
in the environmental review for this project; and
3.The Planning Board, on August 7, 2012, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Envi-
ronmental Assessment Form, Part I submitted by the applicant, and Part II prepared by Town
planning staff; and drawings titled “Gourd Workshop at EcoVillage Preliminary/Final Site Plan
Review”: cover, dated July 8, 2012 (L000), Existing Survey, dated July 8, 2012 (L101), Context
Plan, dated July 8, 2012 (L102), Site Layout Plan, dated July 8, 2012 (L201), Grading Plan, dated
July 8, 2012 (L301), Planting Plan, dated July 8, 2012 (L401), Utility Plan, dated July 6, 2012
(C101), North/South/East/West elevation renderings, date-stamped July 31, 2012, all prepared
by Noah Demarest, RA, RLA, LEED AP; and other application materials; and
4.The Town Planning Staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental signifi-
cance for this project.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board makes a negative determination of environmental signifi-
cance in accordance with Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law and 6 NYCRR Part 617
New York State Environmental Quality Review for the above referenced action as proposed, based on
the information in the EAF Part I and for the reasons stated in the EAF Part II, and, therefore, a
Draft Environmental Impact Statement will not be required.
Vote: Ayes – Wilcox, Collins, Conneman, Beach, Baer, Bosak, VanderMaas
AGENDA ITEM
Public Hearing
: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed Gourd
Workshop located along Rachel Carson Way at EcoVillage at Ithaca, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.
28-1-26.84, Planned Development Zone No. 8. The proposal involves constructing a 900 +/- square
foot building in an open field to be used as a workshop, display area, and office. The project also
includes a gourd garden, garden fencing, entrance paths and new landscaping. EcoVillage at Ithaca
Village Association Inc., Owner; Graham Ottoson, Applicant; Noah Demarest, Agent
Mr. Wilcox opened the pubic hearing at 7:15 p.m.
Mr. Wilcox asked why they’re installing a double fence. Ms. Ottoson explained that it will make the
fence deer-proof because deer won’t jump into a narrow space. By making two fences seven feet apart,
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the fences can be lower. The fence will work equally well as a trellis to hang the gourds on. Mr. Bosak
related that he had read how to construct two four-foot-high fences spaced four feet apart to create a
completely deer-proof fence. He said that he has a relatively low fence with an even lower electric
fence four feet in front of it, and the deer don’t mess with it.
Mr. Wilcox closed the public hearing at 7:20 p.m.
PB Resolution No. 2012-053: Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, EcoVillage Gourd Work-
shop, Tax Parcel No. 28-1-26.84, Rachel Carson Way, Town of Ithaca Planning Board, August 7,
2012
Moved by Ellen Baer; seconded by Eric VanderMaas
WHEREAS:
1.
This action involves consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed
EcoVillage Gourd Workshop project, located along Rachel Carson Way, Town of Ithaca Tax Par-
cel No. 28-1-26.84, Planned Development Zone 8-EcoVIllage. The proposal includes construction
of a one story, ±900 square foot commercial building in an open field to be used as a workshop,
display area, and office. Other improvements include a fenced gourd garden, entrance paths,
new landscaping and parking. EcoVillage at Ithaca Village Association, Inc., Owner; Graham Ot-
toson, Applicant; Noah Demarest, Agent; and
2.This is an Unlisted action, for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in
environmental review for this project has, on August 7, 2012, made a negative determination of
environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmen-
tal Assessment Form, Part I submitted by the applicant, and Part II prepared by Town planning
staff; and
3.The Planning Board, on August 7, 2012, has reviewed and accepted as adequate the following
drawings titled “Gourd Workshop at EcoVillage Preliminary/Final Site Plan Review”: cover, dat-
ed July 8, 2012 (L000), Existing Survey, dated July 8, 2012 (L101), Context Plan, dated July 8,
2012 (L102), Site Layout Plan, dated July 8, 2012 (L201), Grading Plan, dated July 8, 2012
(L301), Planting Plan, dated July 8, 2012 (L401), Utility Plan, dated July 6, 2012 (C101),
North/South/East/West elevation renderings, date-stamped July 31, 2012, all prepared by Noah
Demarest, RA, RLA, LEED AP; and other application materials.
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
1.That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board waives certain requirements for Preliminary and Final
Site Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final Site Plan Checklists, having deter-
mined from the materials presented that the waiver will not result in a significant alteration of the
purpose of site plan review or the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and
2.That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board grants Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the
proposed EcoVillage Gourd Workshop project, as described in the materials referenced above,
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subject to the following conditions being met before a building permit is issued, unless otherwise
noted:
a.Approval by the Town Board of an amendment to the Planned Development Zone No. 8 -
EcoVillage requirements to permit and regulate limited commercial uses, and the location and
attributes of the buildings and sites where they will be housed; and
b.Submission of one original set of final site plan drawings on mylar, vellum or paper, signed
and sealed by the registered land surveyor, engineer, architect or landscape architect who pre-
pared the site plan materials; and
c.Submission of a certificate signed by the owner of the land to the effect that they own the
land, authorized the project, and agreed to have the project built in the manner of the ap-
proved final site plan; and
d.Submission of details on lighting, which must conform to the Town of Ithaca Outdoor Light-
ing Law; and roofing materials; and
e.Submission of documentation of all necessary approvals from county and state agencies before
any certificate of occupancy is issued.
Vote:
Ayes – Wilcox, Collins, Conneman, Beach, Baer, Bosak, VanderMaas
AGENDA ITEM
SEQR Determination:
Frandsen 18-Lot Subdivision, Park Lane
Theodore Lauve, Chuck Guttman, attorney, and Mr. Frandsen were present. Mr. Lauve said that the
major change since sketch plan was to remove Edwin Drive from the project: six lots on 80 acres. The
reason Edwin Drive was removed is that an adjacent owner bought the property because he wanted to
keep the site undeveloped. This reduces the impacts substantially. The storm drainage system has
been improved to meet the current regulations. The layout, road design, utility design, etc, are all the
same as before.
Mr. Wilcox stated that three major issues were pointed out in Mr. Smith’s cover memo: no additional
parkland setaside, the length of the street, and the hammerhead turnaround at the end of the street.
Mike Smith said that the turnaround is on general-purpose land.
Discussion on the lack of parkland
Mr. Wilcox explained the ten-percent rule: The Planning Board, as a general rule, often requires that
a subdivider allocate ten percent of their land for public use. This may not be necessary for this sub-
division, given the amount of land that has been set aside in the area during previous subdivisions.
Mr. Bosak said he would be inclined to waive it, especially if they can get a promise of proper access
to the park at the end of the road. He agrees that there’s enough parkland set aside already. On the
table was a letter from resident Tim Marchell regarding his appreciation of the park and requesting
that the Planning Board be sensitive to the screening of the park from the development so views
aren’t disrupted.
Discussion on the length of the road
Mr. Wilcox said that Town law sets the maximum length of a road in a cul-de-sac at 1000 feet for safe-
ty purposes. In a cul-de-sac, there is only one way out, and the longer the cul-de-sac, the greater the
chance that a tree or electric wire could block someone’s egress. The original subdivision was ap-
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proved approximately 20 years ago. Mr. Wilcox is not in favor of extending the street beyond 1000
feet for safety considerations. If the street is not extended, the subdivision will have to be adjusted by
removing a couple of the lots and moving the hammerhead closer to the intersection. He would be
willing to allow those additional lots to be divided off when and if the road is extended and connect-
ed internally to another street in the Eastern Heights neighborhood, because there would then be two
methods of ingress and egress. The proposed road is 1250 feet, 25 percent more than the Town code
would currently allow.
Mr. VanderMaas agreed, especially given the topography. Mr. Lauve explained that the grade starts off
at 11.75 percent, goes to 6 percent, then 5 percent, then 11 percent, then 2 percent at the cul-de-sac.
Mr. Bosak agreed that the grade was problematic.
Mr. Wilcox said that the issue is not that Board members don’t favor the additional lots per se, but
that there are reasons to limit the road length to 1000 feet until the road can be connected.
Mr. Guttman said that the original subdivision was granted in July of 1986 and did include that road
length in the configuration. Mr. Wilcox added that John Street was approved with the same road
length by a previous Planning Board.
Mr. Bosak said that the rules are in place for a reason, and that just because something unsafe was
approved before, doesn’t mean it should be approved again. He also stated that the Board would have
to have a good reason promoting the public welfare to waive the rule. Ms. Collins stated that she was
ambivalent. She wondered why 1000 feet was chosen for a cul-de-sac. Ms. Moynihan-Schmitt said
that she didn’t know the legislative intent behind the rule, but said that it makes sense that safety
would be a concern. The applicant has to show that the regulations will cause a significant hardship
or practical difficulties.
Mr. Guttman responded that the strongest argument to be made is that it was done in the past. He
doesn’t know if the limit was in place at the time the subdivision was proposed in 1986. This was set
forth in the preliminary subdivision and the project was granted. If the rule was in place at that time,
then the same logic applies. If not, the situation is that the limit was put in after the preliminary sub-
division was approved, and it would modify something that was previously approved by the Planning
Board. The situation is more complicated because in 2004, the Town Board came to Mr. Frandsen
for an easement to do work in the area, and a consideration of that request was to put in the ham-
merhead, which is now Town land. Those negotiations were already made.
Mr. Wilcox stated that if a previous board granting preliminary approval set a precedent, the same
logic would preclude the Board from bringing the stormwater management system up to today’s speci-
fications. The stormwater management that was approved in 1986 is not sufficient under today’s reg-
ulations. Mr. Hebdon made the clarification that state regulations overrule the stormwater aproval.
Ms. Moynihan-Schmitt stated that this Board is not bound by those prior determinations.
To a question from Mr. Wilcox, Mr. Smith responded that the Town owns the land to the east of the
hammerhead. If the road were to be connected through to another future road, it would go straight to
the south from the hammerhead.
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Mr. Bosak said that the 2004 negotiations take away the point he was trying to make regarding the
Town Board. He also stated that while he is going to resist being prevented from exercising the
Board’s best judgment just because another board decided something else, there’s such a thing as
respecting the decisions of your own board. Other Board members agreed.
Mr. Lauve said that 1250 feet is a short cul-de-sac; he lives on an 8000-foot dead-end road.
Mr. Hebdon said that the hammerhead follows the details he sent to the applicant’s engineer, but
that Engineering will need to determine the actual area the Town gave them in which to put the
hammerhead, then work within that parameter to make the hammerhead work.
Mr. Hebdon stated that the stormwater meets all state specifications and all the green criteria. The
applicant had to put a homeowner’s association together because the Town would prefer not to take
over the stormwater facility. There are a few things they’ll have to take care of for final subdivision
approval.
Mr. Bosak said that the intersection is not a minor issue. Turning left off Route 79 is not fun, and he
thought that adding another 16 cars during the peak hour is a big deal. Mr. Beach said that making a
left turn from Park Lane onto Slaterville Road is a challenge and is exacerbated by the traffic at Six
Mile Creek Winery. Mr. Wilcox said that people should avoid the intersection to the greatest extent
possible, and that 16 cars per hour is one car every three minutes and won’t be noticed. Ms. Collins
added that having lived on Eastern Heights Drive for a year, she knows that drivers don’t have to exit
the neighborhood onto Route 79 – there are multiple ways to get out. She said it is not the same traf-
fic issue as when there is only one egress possible onto a busy road, and that there’s reason to believe
that people living on that road will likely be headed to Cornell and East Hill Plaza. Mr. Beach agreed
that there are other ways to exit from that neighborhood.
PB Resolution No. 2012-054: SEQR, Preliminary Subdivision Approval, Frandsen 18-Lot Subdivi-
sion, Tax Parcel No.’s 56-3-13.2 and 57-2-1.2
Moved by Linda Collins; seconded by John Beach
WHEREAS:
1.This action is consideration of Preliminary Subdivision Approval for the proposed 18-lot subdivi-
sion located off Park Lane south of John Street, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.’s 56-3-13.2 and
57-2-1.2, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves the construction of one new
road (approximately 1,237 feet long) to provide access to 16 new residential lots and one lot dedi-
cated for stormwater facilities. The project will also include the installation of new water, sanitary
sewer, and storm sewer systems. William P. Frandsen, Owner/Applicant; Theodore E. Lauve,
P.E., Agent, and
2.This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is acting in an uncoor-
dinated environmental review with respect to the project, and
3.The Planning Board, on August 7, 2012, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Long Envi-
ronmental Assessment Form (LEAF) Part I, submitted by the applicant, and Part II prepared by
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Page 7 of 14
Town Planning staff, a packet of drawings titled “Preliminary Plans – Frandsen Subdivision – Bri-
an Lane Section”, dated February 15, 2006, revised June – 2006 by John S. Macneill, Jr. P.E., re-
vised June / July 2007 by John S. Macneill, Jr. P.E., and revised June 1, 2012 by Theodore E.
Lauve, P.E., and other application materials, and
4.The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental signifi-
cance with respect to the proposed project;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental
significance in accordance with Article 8 of the Environmental Conservation Law and 6 NYCRR Part
617 New York State Environmental Quality Review for the above referenced actions as proposed,
based on the information in the LEAF Part I and for the reasons set forth in the LEAF Part II, and,
therefore, a Draft Environmental Impact Statement will not be required.
Vote:
Ayes – Wilcox, Collins, Conneman, Beach, Baer, Bosak, VanderMaas
AGENDA ITEM
Public Hearing
: Consideration of Preliminary Subdivision Approval for the proposed 18-lot subdivi-
sion located off Park Lane south of John Street, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.’s 56-3-13.2 and 57-2-
1.2, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves the construction of one new road (ap-
proximately 1,237 feet long) to provide access to 16 new residential lots and one lot dedicated for
stormwater facilities. The project will also include the installation of new water, sanitary sewer, and
storm sewer systems. William P. Frandsen, Owner/Applicant; Theodore E. Lauve, P.E., Agent
Mr. Wilcox opened the public hearing at 8:28 p.m.
Phil Cornell, 117 Park Lane, stated that the main concern he has is safety. Park Lane has become a
cut-through for commuters to Ithaca, probably because of the congestion on Pine Tree Road. He
agreed with Mr. Beach that the egress onto Route 79 is a problem. If the Town hasn’t cut the brush
on the side of the road, the problem is worse. Randy Blooding [not present], whose house butts right
into Park Lane at the bottom of John Street, has had several cars land in his yard every winter. He’s
had to put a large boulder and a tree in his yard to mitigate that problem. The grade is significant: lots
of people can’t make it up Park Lane in the winter. Park Lane probably should not have gone through
with the grade proposed, and the neighbors fought it, but did not succeed. It’s not just commuter
cars, but tractor trailers. There is a park at the T with Tudor and Park Lane, with a stop sign that is
used only 50 percent of the time. The park is well used, and with the major thoroughfare it has be-
come, it is a safety issue. He’s heard a rumor that there will be a stop light on Pine Tree. If that’s the
case, traffic in the morning will be backed up to Park Lane. He said they have no problem with in-
creased development, but rather with safety. Another egress at the end of these roads to Route 79
would be a help.
Pat Cornell said that she has been home during the summer and sees a lot of traffic. She has talked to
the Highway Department about signage for Tudor and Park Lane. The traffic through those areas is
important. She was told by Fred Noteboom that the signage is what it is and that she’ll have to call
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the police to control issues of speeding and not stopping. She thinks that an additional road will
cause more problems.
Patty Carnell, 120 Park Lane on the corner of John and Park, stated that hers was the first house built
before John Street went in and her house faces John. She said she agrees with Mr. and Ms. Cornell
that it’s a safety issue. Traffic is horrendous every morning when she turns right out of John Street.
Cars go flying up the hill, and because of the curve on Park Lane, she has a hard time seeing if some-
one’s coming, making it difficult to pull out. When walking her dog in the evening, she often feels
like she’s going to get run over.
Susan Ritter referred to an email she received from a resident, which she followed up with a phone
call. He told her he uses the trail on Eastern Heights. There is access to that trail from John Street.
While on the trail, he has a sense of being in the woods, before coming into the open area of Eastern
Heights Park. He was hoping that this development would not push out that wooded feel. Ms. Ritter
thinks the hammerhead may get quite close to the trail.
Discussion on the County review
Regarding the County’s point about affordability, Mr. Wilcox said the Town Board has exerted influ-
ence on certain developments; Vine Street Cottages, for example. Holochuck was both subdivision
and site plan, and some units had to be affordable. Mr. Hebdon stated that Public Works is not eager
to take on curbed streets. The City’s trucks are set up to plow curbed streets; the Town’s are not. Ms.
Baer stated that she thought ten percent affordable units is a good idea – that’s something lacking in
the County. Mr. Wilcox said that the problem is that people throw the term “affordable” around, and
he’s not sure if the Board designated units that are truly affordable or rather more affordable because
they have a lower purchase price. Then there’s the issue of how to keep them affordable in perpetuity,
so that the first buyer doesn’t gain the advantage of getting a house at the affordable price, only to
have it rise to the market value. Ms. Ritter said that the Town is contemplating doing something, but
that there aren’t any local laws requiring it. The direction the draft Comp Plan is going is to allow
mixed types of housing and mixed lot sizes, and, to some degree, let the economics guide things. The
current zoning calls for standard-sized lots with single family homes, and since townhouses can’t be
mixed with single family homes, things tend to be expensive.
Discussion on safety
Mr. Bosak said that when Board members talk about increased traffic, they’re usually talking about
inconvenience, but that’s not the issue in this case. He said that he thinks this will make a bad situa-
tion worse at the intersection of Park Lane and Route 79, going both ways, and that what he heard
from the neighbors doesn’t make him feel any better about it. He personally doesn’t want it on his
conscience if something happens there. He thinks the problem needs to be mitigated and he doesn’t
think it’s impossible to do.
Mr. Wilcox asked what the difference is between the Slaterville Road/Burns Road intersection and
the intersection in question. He doesn’t like to make a left-hand turn onto Route 79 from Burns
Road once school starts, but he doesn’t think of it as dangerous, but rather as a level of service F dur-
ing peak hours. Mr. Bosak responded that the Burns Road intersection isn’t in front of the Board.
Mr. Beach said that later in the day when the winery is open and traffic is egressing from their parking
lot, more cars are added to the mixture. Mr. Wilcox agreed that it functions as a slightly offset four-
way intersection. Mr. Bosak stated that there are various ways this could be dealt with, such as the
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State putting in a signal, but that it would probably be easier to build a road than to get the State to
cooperate.
Ms. Collins pointed out that the people who spoke at the public hearing were concerned about traffic
within the neighborhood itself, not at the intersection. They’re feeling the impact of Park Lane be-
coming a cut-through. She said the Board needed to decide what the focus is. The traffic issues within
the neighborhood itself are beyond the discussion of the subdivision. She agreed that 16 peak-hour
cars would have an impact on the neighborhood. In her neighborhood, Commonland, an issue was
solved with lots of discussion within the neighborhood and by working with the police. She suggested
that there will need to be some grassroots neighborhood action to deal with the safety issues, but that
those issues were not in front of the Board. She’s not convinced that the impact of the subdivision on
either of the situations will be great.
Mr. Bosak responded that it is right to distinguish between those two things, but that he doesn’t see
them as neatly separable issues and thinks they all add up to one mess. The same was true of the Hol-
ochuck project. Mr. Conneman said that Holochuck was a waiting issue. Mr. Bosak agreed, but said
his point was that when you slice things off and pretend they’re not connected to anything else, you
never reach a stopping point. The camel’s back is broken, but you never see where that straw was. But
he acknowledged that the distinction Ms. Collins made was a correct one.
Regarding mitigation, Mr. Guttman stated that the original project included Edwin Drive, which
would have had six lots. He said the applicants heard the same discussion about the traffic issues at
sketch plan and made the decision to eliminate Edwin Drive. They assumed it would be a more palat-
able project to the Board with 16 lots rather than 22 lots. So in some sense, they tried to mitigate the
concerns.
Regarding parkland, Ms. Ritter said that there is a total of 44 acres of parkland and trails in that area.
The Board generally agreed that the lack of parkland, the length of road, the lack of affordable hous-
ing units, and the lack of parkland were not problematic.
Mr. Conneman thought something should be done about the safety issue – that it should not simply
be ignored.
Ms. Collins responded that the Board’s focus is the impact of this project on the neighborhood. A lot
of the pressures on this neighborhood are internal. These are real issues, and there will be some im-
pact from this project, but she doesn’t think it’s a significant enough impact to make her feel uncom-
fortable. She thinks they’re separable in that sense and not something that the Board can deal with.
Ms. Baer agreed that Park Lane being used as a cut-through was not something that could be dealt
with at the meeting, but agreed that it is a real issue and encouraged neighborhood residents to take
action. Mr. VanderMaas also agreed that the cut-through is a problem but that the subdivision is not
causing the problem.
Mr. Hebdon stated that neighborhood residents shouldn’t be surprised if they see traffic counters out
there shortly. He said that he can’t go to the State without cold, hard facts, and that traffic counts
throughout the neighborhood and at each of the intersections will be necessary. This was the first
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time he’d heard about it being used as a cut-through, and this is an action he can take, separate from
what the Planning Board can do.
Ms. Collins stated that problems can be fixed by neighbors coming together, and said that her neigh-
borhood just went through a serious set of issues that were resolved by action within the community.
There were naysayers who thought it couldn’t be done. Residents did neighborhood testimonials that
were very powerful. She assured residents that the Board is not ignoring their concerns.
Mr. Wilcox closed the public hearing at 9:14 p.m.
Mr. Conneman left the meeting after voting on the following resolution.
PB Resolution No. 2012-055: Preliminary Subdivision Approval, Frandsen 18-Lot Subdivision, Tax
Parcel No.’s 56-3-13.2 and 57-2-1.2, Town of Ithaca Planning Board, August 7, 2012
Moved by Eric VanderMaas; seconded by Linda Collins
WHEREAS:
1.This action is consideration of Preliminary Subdivision Approval for the proposed 18-lot subdivi-
sion located off Park Lane south of John Street, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.’s 56-3-13.2 and
57-2-1.2, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves the construction of one new
road (approximately 1,237 feet long) to provide access to 16 new residential lots and one lot dedi-
cated for stormwater facilities. The project will also include the installation of new water, sanitary
sewer, and storm sewer systems. William P. Frandsen, Owner/Applicant; Theodore E. Lauve,
P.E., Agent, and
2.This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting in an uncoordi-
nated environmental review with respect to the project has, on August 7, 2012, made a negative
determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a
Long Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and a Part II prepared
by Town Planning staff, and
3.The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on August 7, 2012, has reviewed and accepted as
adequate, a packet of drawings titled “Preliminary Plans – Frandsen Subdivision – Brian Lane
Section”, dated February 15, 2006, revised June – 2006 by John S. Macneill, Jr. P.E., revised June
/ July 2007 by John S. Macneill, Jr. P.E., and revised June 1, 2012 by Theodore E. Lauve, P.E.,
and other application materials,
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
1.That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary Subdivision Approval for the
proposed 18-lot subdivision located off Park Lane south of John Street, as described in the draw-
ings listed above, subject to the following conditions:
a.granting of the necessary variances from the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals, prior to
final subdivision approval, and
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b.approval by the Town Board of the concept and locations of Brian Lane, the sanitary sewer
mains, and the water mains, following the recommendation of the Town’s Public Works
Committee, prior to final subdivision approval, and
c.either revision of the plans to move the Brian Lane turnaround completely on Tax Parcel No.
56-3-13.2, or approval by the Town Board, following the recommendation of the Town’s Pub-
lic Work’s Committee, to locate the proposed turnaround on Town property and revision of
the plans to locate the turnaround within the reserved strip on Tax Parcel No. 57-2-1.2, prior
to final subdivision approval, and
d.submission of the final subdivision plat, including all requirements on the Final Subdivision
Checklist, prior to final subdivision approval, and
e.submission of draft documents regarding the creation, operation and responsibilities of a
home owners association or similar entity to own and maintain the stormwater facilities, satis-
factory to the Attorney for the Town, prior to final subdivision approval, and
f.submission of a tree / vegetation preservation plan to include specific trees or vegetation to be
preserved during construction along with the proposed measures (flagging, fencing, etc.) to be
implemented during construction, and any tree or other planting proposed as part of the pro-
ject, prior to final subdivision approval, and
g.revision of plans to include “no parking” signs located at the Brian Lane turnaround, prior to
final subdivision approval, and
h.submission of construction details and specifications of all proposed structures, roads, wa-
ter/sewer facilities, stormwater management, and other improvements, using current Town of
Ithaca Standards, prior to final subdivision approval, and
i.revision of plans to show the water main easement between lots C23 and C25 to be 20 feet in
width, prior to final subdivision approval, and
j.revisions of appropriate drawings and the SWPPP to show the delineation of the Conserva-
tion of Natural Areas regarding the stormwater reduction, prior to final subdivision approval,
and
k.evidence of the necessary approvals of the Tompkins County Health Department on the final
plat regarding the realty subdivision, prior to signing of the plat by the Planning Board chair,
and
l.submission of the necessary easement, revised to be shown 10 feet beyond the edge of the
swale on each side, from the adjacent landowners (Tax Parcel No. 56-3-26.2) for stormwater
facilities to cross their property to reach Park Lane, satisfactory to the Attorney for the Town
and the Town of Ithaca Public Works Department, prior to the signing of the subdivision plat
by the Planning Board chair, and
m.a truck hauling plan(s) is to be provided regarding the removal of the excavation material (if
leaving Park Lane) and the delivery route during construction of the infrastructure, for review
and approval by the Town of Ithaca Public Works Department, prior to any work occurring
on the site, and
n.the construction of the road, stormwater facilities, and water and sewer facilities, satisfactory
to the Town of Ithaca Public Works Department, is to occur prior to the application for any
building permits for any houses, and
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o.submission of drainage easements, maintenance schedules / agreements, and/or deed re-
strictions or other legally sufficient mechanisms for all lots containing stormwater facilities
(including the proposed rain gardens), satisfactory to the Attorney for the Town and the
Town of Ithaca Public Works Department, prior to the application for any building permits
for any houses, and
p.submission of a stormwater “Operation, Maintenance, and Reporting Agreement” between
the property owner and the Town of Ithaca, satisfactory to the Attorney for the Town and the
Town of Ithaca Public Works Department, prior to the application for any building permits
for any houses, and
q.upon issuance of Final Subdivision Approval, submission for signing of one original or mylar
copy and three dark-line prints of the final plat by the Planning Board Chair, said plat to be
filed in the Tompkins County Clerk’s Office, and a copy of the receipt of filing provided to
the Town of Ithaca Planning Department, prior to the application for any building permits
for any houses, and
r.submission of record of application for and proof of receipt of all necessary permits from
county, state, and/or federal agencies, prior to the issuance of any certificates of occupancy for
any houses,
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board finds that there is no need for any park land reservation
created by this proposed subdivision, and hereby waives the requirement for any park land reserva-
tion,
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board finds that the proposed 1,237 +/- foot long new paved road
is acceptable for this proposed subdivision, is still consistent with the purpose of the Subdivision
Regulations, is consistent with the neighboring John Street to the north, and hereby waives the re-
quirement that a street with a cul-de-sac shall not exceed 1,000 feet in length (Section 234-23.I of the
Town Code).
Vote:
Ayes – Wilcox, Collins, Beach, Baer, VanderMaas Nays – Conneman, Bosak
AGENDA ITEM
SEQR Determination:
College Crossings Modifications, Danby Road
Mr. Monkemeyer and Edward Keplinger, architect, were present.
Mr. Wilcox said that it is not the Planning Board’s role to argue with Mr. Bates’s position, which is
that the zoning allows mixed-use residential, but does not allow the occupancy. Board members did
not have a problem with residential units on the second floor, but there’s an interpretation that it will
not be allowed as proposed.
Ms. Moynihan Schmitt stated that Mr. Bates has a right to make a determination of the code, and if
that determination is not acceptable to the applicants, they can appeal to the ZBA for a review of the
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determination. The Planning Board can also ask for a review. Mr. Bates’s interpretation is that the
residential part of the mixed-use should follow the code definitions of dwelling unit and family. She
thinks that part of the disconnect is that there’s no mention of dwelling in that particular section of
the code, so Mr. Bates was wishing to supply a definition. It could be argued under the rules of con-
struction, that if you do not have a definition of dwelling, dwelling unit, or family in that particular
section of the code, it does not apply. The argument at the ZBA will be: what is the definition of
dwelling? Dwelling is primarily used as living quarters. And the flip is that in mixed-use, by definition,
residential is an accessory use. There’s a conundrum because the zone allows accessory residential use,
but it cannot be primary like in a dwelling. So it seems that the zone cannot permit a dwelling, as
defined in the code, because it has to be accessory in that particular provision. She said that the code
should be revised so that it’s clearer, but if there is a question on interpretation, it should go to the
ZBA.
Mr. Wilcox stated that the ZBA can affirm Mr. Bates’s decision or do something else. Mr. Bates stated
that there will then be a decision for what is permitted and what is not permitted for future projects.
Mr. Monkemeyer said that when he read the mixed-use ordinance, it was silent on the issue of occu-
pancy and dwelling. This is a commercial zone, and the kinds of occupancy will not be families and
children, but people who might want to live in a commercial space, such as the entrepreneurs them-
selves. There’s a lot of opportunity here and to narrowly define it to something you might find in a
low-density residential zone may not be what the crafters of this ordinance had in mind.
Mr. Wilcox responded that the Board is powerless on the issue. The Board cannot make a determina-
tion; that’s the purview of the ZBA.
Mr. Bates stated that the point is that there’s nothing to base his ruling on, so by denying it, he’s forc-
ing the ZBA to make a ruling on it, and then the decision will be made.
Mr. Wilcox stated that there’s general agreement that the Board likes the revised plan. He suggested
moving on to discuss the stormwater, which is the second issue.
Mr. Keplinger stated that they had spoken with the site engineer and are working on the stormwater
issues. Mr. Wilcox said that without the review from the Town Engineer, the Board wouldn’t be able
to get through the environmental review.
Mr. Monkemeyer stated that the problem with the stormwater plan that was approved is getting to a
depth of 13 to 15 feet deep. They hit rock at six and a half feet, so to get to that depth, they’d have to
blast. Blasting is expensive. He’d rather run the stormwater under the parking lot like College Circle
and some other commercial projects did.
Mr. Hebdon responded that they were handed the revised 237-page stormwater plan on Monday, so
they hadn’t been able to do more than a cursory review. He’s sure an agreement can be reached; it’s
just not done yet.
Mr. Bosak stated that he agrees with the County’s recommendations. He thinks this might finally be a
way to find a location for the bus stop; in fact, the chunk that would make a good bus stop belongs to
the County.
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Mr. Monkemeyer said that the reason he wants to change the use from office to residential is because
tlie residential will work. He thinks the reality is that, in the future, all that land will evolve into
Ithaca College. So far, the space has a locally-owned bakery and a fitness center. He needs 12,000
square feet of preleased space to get the loan and only has 8500. There's a lack of demand for office
space.
Mr. Bosak wanted to convey that the Board is happy with the mixed-use concept. Mr. Wilcox stated
that it's unusual in the Town because of the zoning. The Comp Plan update has looked at this issue
of separating commercial and residential. When College Town allowed six- or seven-story buildings
with commercial on the ground, it worked well for them. Mr. Bosak agreed, saying that the best cities
in the world are organized with businesses on the ground and residential above.
Ms. Collins said that the residential units might appeal not only to younger people, but that older
people also would like to live where there's a bakery or a bank downstairs. She suggested that Mr.
Monkemeyer be open to a different demographic.
Mr. Monkemeyer responded that he saw her point, but since he initially designed the two spaces for
office space, he wants the floor plan to be able to go either way.
AGENDA ITEM
Approval of Minutes ofjuly 17, 2012
PB Resolution No. 2012-056: Minutes of July 17, 2012
Moved by Fred Wilcox; seconded by Linda Collins
WHEREAS, the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has reviewed the draft minutes from the meeting on
July 17, 2012; now therefore be it
RESOLVED, the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approves the minutes, with corrections, to be the
final minutes of the meeting on July 17.
Vote: Ayes - Wilcox, Collins, Beach, Baer, Bosak, VanderMaas
AGENDA ITEM
Adjournment
Upon a motion by Jon Bosak the meeting adjourned at 9:53 p.m.
Respectfully submitted.
Debra DeAugistine-, Deputy T