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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD MEETING
Tuesday, November 2, 2010
215 N. Tioga Street, Ithaca, NY 14850
Board Members Present: Chair: Fred Wilcox; Members: George Conneman, John Beach, Jon
Bosak, Rod Howe, Hollis Erb
Staff Present: Jonathan Kanter, Director of Planning; Bruce Bates, Director of Code Enforcement;
Debra DeAugistine, Deputy Town Clerk; Creig Hebdon, Engineer; Susan Brock, Attorney for the Town
Call to Order
Mr. Wilcox declared the meeting duly opened at 7:02 p.m. and accepted the posting of the public
hearing notice.
AGENDA ITEM
Persons to be heard
Joel Harlan, Newfield, spoke in favor of any and all development.
AGENDA ITEM
SEAR Determination: Minnick 2 -Lot Subdivision, 7 LaGrand Court.
Ms. Minnick stated that they're in the process of selling their house at 7 LaGrand Court. The property
was two parcels when they originally purchased it, but they consolidated in order to reduce taxes.
They now want to subdivide the property into the two parcels they originally purchased. They have
had an offer from someone to purchase the lot. She believes the drainage swale was there when they
purchased the lot and was there when the property was subdivided the first and second time.
PB Resolution 2010 -087: SEOR, Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval, Minnick 2 -Lot
Subdivision, 7 LaGrand Court, Tax Parcel No. 45. -1 -39
Moved by George Conneman; seconded by John Beach
WHEREAS:
1. This is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed two -lot
subdivision located at 7 LaGrand Court, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 45 -1 -39, Medium Density
Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 1.26 +/- acre parcel into one 0.64 +/-
acre lot (Lot 39) that contains the existing house and one 0.62 +/- acre vacant lot (Lot 40).
Andrew J. Minnick and Sharyn E. Minnick, Owners /Applicants, and
2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is acting as Lead Agency
with respect to Subdivision Approval, and
3. The Planning Board on November 2, 2010, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short
Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and Part II prepared by the
Town Planning staff, a survey map entitled "Subdivision Map, No. 7 LaGrand Court, Town of
Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York," prepared by Lee Dresser, Licensed Land Surveyor, T.G.
Miller P.C., dated 5/22/01 and amended 9/20/10, and other application materials, and
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4. Town planning staff has recommended a negative determination of environmental significance
with respect to,the proposed Subdivision Approval;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of environmental
significance for the reasons set forth in the Environmental Assessment Form Part II referenced above,
in accordance with the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act for the above referenced
action as proposed, and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be required.
A vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Conneman, Beach, Bosak, Howe, Erb
NAYS: None
AGENDA ITEM
PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed 2-
lot subdivision located at 7 LaGrand Court, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 45 -1 -39, Medium Density
Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 1.26 +/- acre parcel into one 0.64 +/- acre lot
(Lot 39) that contains the existing house and one 0.62 +/- acre vacant lot (Lot 40). Andrew J. Minnick
and Sharyn E. Minnick, Owners /Applicants.
Rick Couture, 104 Westhaven Road, talked about the proposed changes to the Ithaca College Events
Center, while the Board waited to begin the public hearing.
Mr. Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:15 p.m. Mr. Bates stated that his only concern is that the
house only just meets the setback requirement. The swale on the property was discussed. Mr.
Hebdon concluded that all stormwater issues would be addressed if and when someone wants to
build on the property.
Ms. Minnick stated that one of her neighbors is purchasing the lot and is aware of the swale.
Mr. Wilcox closed the public hearing at 7:22 p.m.
PB Resolution No 2010 -088: Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval, Minnick 2 -Lot
Subdivision, 7 LaGrand Court, Tax Parcel No. 45.-1 -39
Moved by Rod Howe; seconded by Hollis Erb
WHEREAS:
1. This is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed two -lot
subdivision located at 7 LaGrand Court, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 45 -1 -39, Medium Density
Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 1.26 + /- acre parcel into one 0.64 + /- acre
lot (Lot 39) that contains the existing house, and one 0.62 + /- acre vacant lot (Lot 40). Andrew
Minnick and Sharyn Minnick, Owners /Applicants, and
2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as lead agency in
environmental review with respect to Subdivision Approval, has on November 2, 2010, made a
negative determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted as
adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and Part II
prepared by the Town Planning staff, and
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3. The Planning Board on November 2, 2010, has reviewed and accepted as adequate a survey
map entitled "Subdivision Map, No. 7 LaGrand Court, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New
York," prepared by Lee Dresser, Licensed Land Surveyor, T.G. Miller P.C., dated 5/22/01 and
amended 9/20/10, and other application materials;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
1. That the Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed two -lot subdivision located at 7 LaGrand Court, as shown on the survey map entitled
"Subdivision Map, No. 7 LaGrand Court, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York," subject to
the following conditions:
a. submission for signing by the Chairperson of the Planning Board of an original or mylar copy
of the final subdivision plat and three dark -lined prints, prior to filing with the Tompkins County
Clerk's Office, and submission of a receipt of filing to the Town of Ithaca Planning Department,
and
b. the final subdivision plat shall show the lot width at the maximum required front yard setback
line of 50 feet from the street line.
A vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Conneman, Beach, Bosak, Howe, Erb
NAYS: None
AGENDA ITEM
Consideration of a sketch plan for the proposed City of Ithaca Hard Fill Site located in the southwest
corner of the Town of Ithaca off Van Ostrand Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 34 -1 -19,
Conservation Zone. The proposal involves placing 5,000 to 10,000 cubic yards of hard fill per year in
the former gravel mine over the next 10 to 15 years. The fill consists of material generated from City
of Ithaca pipe trenching and roadway reconstruction projects. The project will also include stormwater
facilities, and the site will be restored and seeded as the site is filled. City of Ithaca, Owner /Applicant;
Charles A. White, P.E., Barton & Loguidice, P.C., Agent.
Charles White, representing the City, gave a summary of the project. The City -owned property is
bounded on the south by the Town of Newfield, to the west by the Town of Enfield, and to the north
and east by the NYS parks. An easement across Casella's property provides access. The site is
gated, and will remain so. It will be used solely by the City. This project will improve stormwater
conditions on the site, which will be a benefit since there's currently erosion taking place.
The Board agreed that it looks like a good use for an old gravel pit. They'd like to see more than
simple seeding when the project is done. They also expressed concern about the road bearing 500 to
1000 trucks trips per year. They will also want to know the content of the fill that will be deposited. The
next step in the process is for the applicant to file a fill permit with Public Works.
Mr. Wilcox invited the public to speak.
Irene and Tony Petito, 108 Millard Hill Road, parallel to Van Ostrand, noted that they just got a letter
today regarding the project. He gave a brief 10 -year history of the proposed project. When they
became aware that the City wanted to put a dump in Newfield, Mr. Petito, as the Newfield code
enforcement officer, looked into it. Residents and Friends of Treman State Park objected to the
proposed dump for reasons of site, noise, and negative effects to Treman. A petition was circulated
with over 400 names on it. He cited quotes by John Clancy, then Regional Director of State Parks,
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who was concerned about the original dump project for reasons including that the site is clearly visible
from the Finger Lakes Trail and the significant noise impact on park patrons. He hopes the PB looks
at the terrible intersection between Route 13, Van Ostrand Road, and Millard Hill Road. You hold your
breath waiting to get out. There's no electricity at the site. He cited the DEC as saying that 40% of all
dumps aren't successful because they're not monitored property, the lighting is poor, the location is
isolated — it's the perfect area for illegal dumping. Dumping is getting worse because of the economy
and people don't have the money to take their junk to a legal landfill. They're hoping the Board looks
at safety of the road, which is very steep and has a bad intersection. An old woman told him several
years ago that the City is acting like a bully and is treating the citizens of Newfield as 2nd -class
citizens. They are opposed to the City of Ithaca using a Newfield road to drive through Newfield
property to dispose of their waste. To questions, he answered that the petition stated that they were
strongly opposed to use of the property as a hard fill dump given its proximity to Treman State Park &
the Fingerlakes Trail and adverse affects to the surrounding environment. The City never notified
anyone in Newfield; they just put up a gate at the site. When he and his wife talked with City officials,
they said they did not need a permit and were going to put a dump there. Period. There were a lot of
editorials and letters opposing this project. He noted that he is working closely right now with the City
on a project that will benefit the neighborhood it is going into, so it's hard to speak in opposition to
another of the City's projects. He requested that the Town look hard at this issue and work to mitigate
concerns.
Glen Caslich, 34 Millard Hill Road, directly across from the site, said he was also involved ten years
ago. The road is bad even though the Town of Newfield has done work on it in the past week. It's a
seasonal dirt road, is .in a highly erosive area, and has a 4 -ton weight limit. The creek runs parallel to
the road. It has gone from a one -lane road to places as wide as Millard Hill Road, and as gravel is
shoved around with truck traffic, it is migrating down to his property, which he objects to. The answer
is for the City and the Town of Ithaca to pave the road, fix the intersection, and install guardrails. It
should not be Newfield's problem to take up the paving and maintaining of the road for heavy traffic.
He wondered whether the DEC would be involved since materials will be brought into a site that is
very erosive. It's gravel -based in some spots, clay in others. It's very soft and there's a lot of water
moving through it to the inlet (then to the lake) and to people's back yards and homes. He sent a letter
regarding this to the Town Board and Planning Board.
Tom Kline, a Town of Ithaca resident who owns lot 1 at Treman Meadows on VanOstrand Road,
noted that the property backs up to Treman State Park. He agreed with the other speakers that the
truck traffic and heavy equipment will damage the road, which will cost the Town of Enfield. He's
concerned about the materials going into the site and runoff into the water systems. He noted that
monitoring, enforcement, and overseeing maintenance will all be expenses to Town of Ithaca
taxpayers. He's concerned about the safety of the intersection as it is now, and said that adding
traffic, especially heavy trucks, creates a very unsafe situation. If the project goes through, seeding is
not appropriate; he would like to see a plan using native species similar to Treman Park. He
purchased the property to build a house and for quiet enjoyment, and has concerns that the noise
from bulldozers and other equipment will impinge on his right to quiet enjoyment. He noted that the
City has a site of their own they could use, but it has become valuable, and now they want to build
houses on it. He stated that this is not a reason to trash other people's land.
Rich Dolge, Town of Newfield Councilman, stated that the Town of Newfield Highway Supervisor
assessed the road and put a 4 -ton limit on it. The Town contracted with Delta Engineers for a road
study to establish a baseline so they can later to evaluate the damage to the road. They are very
concerned about the intersection; school buses stop there to get onto Route 13.
Joel Harlan, Newfield, lives up there and thinks the road should be paved. There's a drop -off on the
left side of the road going up, and it needs a guard rail, because somebody is going to go off that road
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and it is often hard to stop and the bottom, making it hazardous for people waiting there for buses.
She pointed out a very wet area with a large gully on the proposed development land (she handed out
photos). There's an intermittent creek there, and at this time of year, mud is at least ankle deep. The
incidence of break -ins has increased dramatically as has the garbage at the side of the road. She
wondered how much more development this area can take, and noted that even clustering 30 houses
— Bundy Road has only 44 houses in total right now — will really change things. She expressed
appreciation for the Board's view of what's happening on West Hill.
Mr. Conneman asked Ms. Fogarty how she would propose to fix the Bundy Road traffic problem. Ms.
Fogarty responded that the speed limit needs to be lowered to 30 mph on lower Bundy. She said that
upper Bundy is straight, and what was said about straight roads is true: people go 60 -70 miles an
hour there. In order to slow the traffic on lower Bundy, the traffic on upper Bundy will also have to be
slowed. She also said that a traffic light should be installed at the bottom, but since Bundy Road is
down hill all the way, there can't be a traffic light unless the speed limit is reduced. Other concerns
she cited are wildlife — there's a black bear in that area — and light pollution, which is a concern for
people who want to live in an area without streetlights.
Stephanie, 134 Bundy Road, was concerned that the area that's been designated as a driveway is the
only point of direct egress onto Bundy Road from the development. Measured at 50 feet across, if it's
defined as a driveway, it only has to be one lane. Even if it is two lane, it will put the greatest traffic
impacts on the road below the development.
Connie Cole, 125 Hopkins Road, is concerned that the road that will exit onto Hopkins goes between
her and her neighbor's property. They've already experienced three break -ins on their property since
Overlook was built. Also, the traffic on 96 is horrendous. Before building more developments, she
would like the Town to look at crime and traffic. She also expressed concern about her well water if
there are further demands on the water table. During dry summers, their volume is low. The Town
assured them awhile ago that the area would all be left agricultural.
John Humphreys, 117 Hopkins Road, stated that the area at the top portion of the property is a big
field that must look like a great place for a developer. The horned owls live here — he heard them the
previous night. It's an issue of quality of life and quality of space. He understands that it will be
developed, but would like a plan that will maintain the quality of the place they live.
Abraham Lee, 144 Bundy Road, has lived in the area for 23 years and is concerned about the quality
of life and the dramatic, change that this could bring. He described how, when farmer Perry developed
Perry Lane and Alterra; there was a sensitivity to the projects that didn't change the character of the
immediate community, ;and the neighbors appreciated that. He stated that he always knew that West
Hill would be developed, and rightly so, but it's the approach to that and the sensitivity in terms of the
design and the maintenance of certain characteristics of that general community that can be a win -win
situation. He does not think this particular development does that. He is concerned that it proposes
something as green that has little green value to it.
Addressing the applicants, Ms. Erb recapped the issues brought forward by the Board and the
neighbors and noted that these are the topics to consider for the next time they come back.
Mr. Luciano responded that the Board has been clear in articulating what they need for the project to
go forward. He appreciates the education brought forward by the community and wants to work
cooperatively with them to put something together that everyone will be proud of and feel comfortable
living with.
Mr. Kanter suggested setting up a joint neighborhood meeting, an informal get together to look at
revised plans, noting that is not a requirement, but is well- received by the residents. Staff offered to
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facilitate. The applicant said such a meeting would be acceptable. Mr. Kanter advised that the next
step should be a revised sketch plan.
AGENDA ITEM
Approval of Minutes: October 5, 2010
PB RESOLUTION No. 2010 -089: Minutes of October 5, 2010
Moved by George Conneman, seconded by Rod Howe
WHEREAS, the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has reviewed the draft minutes from the meeting on
October 5, 2010; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approves the minutes, with corrections, to be the
final minutes of the meeting on October 5, 2010.
A vote on the motion was as follows:
AYES: Erb, Conneman, Beach, Bosak, Howe
NAYS: None
Approval of Minutes: October 19, 2010
PB RESOLUTION No. 2010 -090: Minutes of October 19, 2010
Moved by Rod Howe, seconded by John Beach
WHEREAS, the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has reviewed the draft minutes from the meeting on
October 19, 2010; now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approves the minutes, with corrections, to be the
final minutes of the meeting on October 19, 2010.
AYES: Erb, Conneman, Beach, Bosak, Howe
NAYS: None
AGENDA ITEM
Other Business
Meeting of November 16th
• EcoVillage TREE final site plan approval
• Simple 2 -lot subdivision
Adjournment
Upon motion by John Beach, the meeting adjourned at 9:39 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
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Debra D ugistine
First Deputy own Clerk
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
215 North Tioga Street
Ithaca, New York 14850
Tuesday, November 2, 2010
AGENDA
7:00 P.M. Persons to be heard (no more than five minutes).
7:05 P.M. SEQR Determination: Minnick 2 -Lot Subdivision, 7 LaGrand Court.
7:05 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for
the proposed 2 -lot subdivision located at 7 LaGrand Court, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel
No. 45 -1 -39, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the
1.26 +/- acre parcel into one 0.64 +/- acre lot (Lot 39) that contains the existing house and
one 0.62 +/- acre vacant lot (Lot 40). Andrew J. Minnick and Sharyn E. Minnick,
Owners /Applicants.
7:10 P.M. Consideration of a sketch plan for the proposed City of Ithaca Hard Fill Site located in
the southwest corner of the Town of Ithaca off Van Ostrand Road, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No. 34 -1 -19, Conservation Zone. The proposal involves placing 5,000 to 10,000
cubic yards of hard fill per year in the former gravel mine over the next 10 to 15 years.
The fill consists of material generated from City of Ithaca pipe trenching and roadway
reconstruction projects. The project will also include stormwater facilities and the site
will be restored and seeded as the site is filled. City of Ithaca, Owner /Applicant; Charles
A. White, P.E., Barton & Loguidice, P.C., Agent.
7:45 P.M. Consideration of a Sketch Plan for the proposed Goldenrod 30 -Lot Subdivision located
off Bundy and Hopkins Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 24- 4 -6.2, Medium Density
Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 67 +/- acre property into 30
new residential lots. The project will also include four lots reserved as open space and
natural areas (totaling 13.5 +/- acres), two new roads, new stormwater facilities and
utilities. Gy Corporation, Owner; Finger Lakes Green Development, LLC, Applicant;
Jose L. Guisado, R.A., GA Architects, PLLC, Agent.
6. Approval of Minutes: October 5, 2010 and October 19, 2010.
Other Business
Adjournment
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
273 -1747
NOTE: IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS UNABLE TO ATTEND, PLEASE NOTIFY
SANDY POLCE AT 273 -1747.
(A quorum of four (4) members is necessary to conduct Planning Board business.)
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
Tuesday, November 2, 2010
By direction of the Chairperson of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a Public Hearing
will be held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday, November 2, 2010, at 215 North Tioga
Street, Ithaca, N.Y., at the following time and on the following matter:
7:05 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed 2 -lot
subdivision located at 7 LaGrand Court, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 45 -1 -39, Medium
Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 1.26 +/- acre parcel
into one 0.64 +/- acre lot (Lot 39) that contains the existing house and one 0.62 +/- acre
vacant lot (Lot 40). Andrew J. Minnick and Sharyn E. Minnick, Owners /Applicants.
Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all persons in support of such matters or objections
thereto. Persons may appear by agent or in person. Individuals with visual impairments, hearing
impairments or other special needs, will be provided with assistance as necessary, upon request. Persons
desiring assistance must make such a request not less than 48 hours prior to the time of the public hearing.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
273 -1747
Dated: Monday, October 25, 2010
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