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DATE,',
. REGULAR MEETING
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 17, 2009
215 NORTH TIOGA STREET
ITHACA, NEW YORK
Board Members Present
Rod Howe, Chairperson; Fred Wilcox, George Conneman, Hollis Erb, Susan Riha, Jon
Bosak.
Excused
Kevin Talty.
Staff Present
Jonathan Kanter, Director of Planning; Dan Walker, Director of Engineering; Bruce
Bates, Director of Code Enforcement; Susan Brock, Attorney for the Town; Carrie
Coates Whitmore, First Deputy Town Clerk.
Others
Paul Carubia, Sue Heavenrich, Marguerite Wells, Aliu Hain, Steve Bauman, Monty S.
Bexman, Don R. Crittenden, Kathleen Friedrich, Lew Durland, Ken Walkeys, Marie
Harkins, Mary Russell, John Rancich, Joel Harlan, Jonathan Meigs, Rick Couture,
Michelle Palmer.
Call to Order
Chairperson Howe declared the meeting duly opened at 7:03 p.m., and accepted for the.
record Secretary's Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of Public Hearings
in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on January 28, 2009 and February 2, 2009,
together with the properties under discussion, as appropriate, upon the Clerks of the
City of Ithaca and the Town of Danby, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of
Planning, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of Public Works, and upon the
applicants and /or agents, as appropriate, on February 2, 2009.
Chairperson Howe stated the Fire Exit Regulations to those assembled, as required by
the New York State Department of State, Office of Fire Prevention and Control.
AGENDA ITEM
Persons to be Heard
None.
PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION
The purpose of the Public Scoping Session is to consider public comments on
the Draft Scoping Document (dated December 30, 2008, Revised January 12,
2009, Further Revised January 28, 2009) regarding the scope and content for the
Draft Environmental Impact Statement (EIS) that will be prepared for the proposed
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Carrowmoor Development, located off of NYS Route 79 (Mecklenburg Road) north
of Rachel Carson Way, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 27 -1 -14.2, Agricultural and
Medium Density Residential Zones. The proposal involves the development of
400 +/- residential condominium units, a community center complex, up to 36,000
square feet of neighborhood oriented commercial uses, up to 32 living units in a
residential building for the elderly, a child care center, and other mixed -use
development on 1.58 +/- acres. The project will also include multiple new roads
and walkways, open recreation areas, stormwater facilities, and community
gardens. John Rancich, Owner; Steve Bauman, Agent; Mary Russell, Attorney.
The proposed actions, including site plan and subdivision approval by the
Planning Board and rezoning to a Planned Development Zone by the Town Board,
are Type I actions pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, 6
NYCRR Part 617, and Chapter 148 of the Town of Ithaca Code regarding
Environmental Quality Review.
Chairperson Howe read the public scoping session public notice. He then explained
that there would not be a formal presentation of Carrowmoor, but the Board would be
hearing public comments. He reminded everyone that the purpose of the evening's
comments is to make sure the Board has identified all the environmental elements that
need to be looked at during the environmental review process. Chairperson Howe
opened the public hearing at 7:06 p.m.
Board Member Wilcox asked if Chairperson Howe could explain to the public what the
scoping document is. Chairperson Howe explained that the scoping document's
primary purpose is to make sure the Board has identified all the environmental aspects
to be looked at during the environmental review process. He hoped that people had
had a chance to look at the scoping document; it includes issues such as:
transportation, community character, lighting, viewshed, nature of businesses, noise,
phasing of elements of the proposal, and watershed.
Chairperson Howe then asked that comments be kept to 5 minutes, and invited the
public to address the board.
Joel Harlan came before the board and expressed his excitement and support of the
project. He thought that the project would be a learning experience, for everyone with
regard to how the project was going to come about. Mr. Harlan hoped the project
becomes a reality. He stated that they needed to learn about it, work on it, and that the
project was going to take time. He thought that it would be a "good show' if the project
becomes a reality.
Lew Durland came before the board and read his letter dated January 22, 2009 to
Jonathan Kanter, to the Board. See attachment #1.
Board Member Riha stated that there is a lot of concern about traffic and one of the
issues raised is that traffic is already taking shortcuts through neighborhoods and not
traveling on the main roads. She asked if it was explicit in the scoping document that
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the neighborhood roads will be studied. Chairperson Howe thought it was up to the
Board to make sure that the issue is covered in the scoping document. Board Member.
Riha said the Board needs to understand how much traffic is bypassing the main traffic
routes right now; this would help the Board to determine the possible impact of the
development on traffic. Chairperson Howe noted that there were streets listed in the
scoping document, and the Board needs to make sure the smaller streets are included.
Attorney' Brock added that the Board also needs to state what it is they want the
applicant to do regarding the streets —what type of analysis? Board Member Riha
stated she wants to know how much traffic is moving through the neighborhoods, at
what times and at what speeds.
Mr. Kanter listed some of the intersections included on Page 8 of the scoping document.
He thought that the document could be more specific in terms of what it means in terms
of neighborhood livability and could be more specific with regard to what neighborhoods
need to be targeted for the analysis.
Chairperson Howe directed the Board's attention to two letters that were on the table
that evening. He then solicited comments from the public.
Jonathan Meigs came before the Board and noted that he had not had the opportunity
to review the scoping document; some of his comments may be addressed in the
document already. Mr. Meigs urged that the scope of the EIS include a comprehensive
evaluation of the project's neighborhood commercial component and its potential
impacts. He believed that the following should be included in the scoping document:
rationale and justification for including a commercial component to the project; a
rationale for the amount of space proposed; the types of businesses to be
accommodated and space allocations for each; the projected number and frequency of
vehicle trips generated within Carrowmoor that might be intercepted by these
businesses instead of traveling offsite for shopping; the projected hourly volume of trips
originating offsite that might be attracted by the businesses in Carrowmoor; the number,
size and type of signs, including lighting of highway signs, to be placed on Route 79 to
identify the businesses; provisions for handling waste, especially from food preparation
or other activities requiring special treatment; the potential for other commercial
development to be attracted to Carrowmoor's vicinity.
Mr. Meigs commented that up to 36,000 square feet is a large amount of commercial
space to be located in this particular area of the Town, and he wondered how it fits the
goals and objectives of the Town plan. Carrowmoor and other proposed developments.
in the area significantly reduce the possibility for agriculture uses to remain an important
and desirable aspect of the Town's character.
Mr. Meigs questioned if the SLUD (or PDZ) provisions were an appropriate mechanism
for evaluating the acceptability of the development of Carrowmoor's size and scope. He
then thanked the Board.
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Kathleen Friedrich came before the Board and wondered if the Bundy Road /Route 96
intersection was being considered. Chairperson Howe stated that it is a listed
intersection in the scoping document. Ms. Friedrich went on to say that the intersection
is a huge problem already. She understood that there was also proposed development
across from Bundy Road with .106 proposed units. She thought other proposed
developments in the area needed to be considered as well. Ms. Friedrich stated that
the proposed developments would wipe out any open space that currently exists.
Pat Dutt came before the Board and stated that she has gone over the Full
Environmental Assessment Form and has prepared comments. Ms. Dutt then read
through her statement and submitted them to the Board. See Attachment #2.
Chairperson Howe interrupted Ms. Dutt to explain that the Board would not be making
changes to the EAF; the Board was listening to the issues being raised to make sure
they. are addressed in the draft scoping document. Ms. Dutt understood and read her
closing statements from her submitted comments (Attachment #2).
Ms. Dutt then read a prepared statement on behalf of Joan Lawrence. See Attachment
#3.
Chairperson Howe asked if anyone else wanted to address the Board. There being no
one, he left the public hearing open and asked if the developer wanted to make any
general comments based upon public comments.
John Rancich came before the Board and stated that he thought the comments
mentioned that evening were covered in the scoping document. He added that the
questions raised will be answered and explored during the EIS process. Mr. Rancich
thought that he had already agreed to address almost all the concerns people have had.
Board Member Wilcox stated that one starts with concept and ends up with a plan. He
asked Mr. Rancich where he was in the process between concept and plan. Mr.
Rancich explained that the drawings are placeholders to say what their idea is and that
they have not designed the buildings at this point. He has had this idea for years and it
has matured over time; he thought that it was becoming a better and better plan. Mr.
Rancich emphasized that nothing is cast in stone and the project is a concept that he is
trying make happen. He is willing to go through all the necessary studies to address
individual comments concerning the concept. Once that is complete and the property is
rezoned, he will make a plan and will be coming before the Planning Board with their
plan.
Chairperson Howe stated that it is hard to do a scoping process on a concept; there
needs to be some nuts and bolts to the plan to be able to react to in terms of the
environmental assessment. Board Member Wilcox added that that was one of his
points and it makes the developer's task harder. He also wanted the public to know that
not all numbers are known at this point.
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Board Member Conneman raised two of his concerns; he wanted Mr. Rancich to put in
writing what he thought Platinum LEED means, and he wanted Mr. Rancich to hire a
traffic engineer who is going to measure what happens in Ithaca, not an engineer who
was going to equate Ithaca with Columbus, Ohio based upon a manual. He stated that
if Mr. Rancich wanted to convince him to allow Mr. Rancich to build the project then he
was going to have to have a traffic engineer who studies the roads in Ithaca and
understands what Ithaca is about.
Mr. Rancich responded that he hired a traffic engineer a few weeks ago, and it is a firm
the Town has worked with before. He said that according to Mr. Kanter, the Town has
worked well with them and is very happy with their work. In response to Board Member
Conneman's request that the Platinum LEED details be put in writing, Mr. Rancich
confessed that he did not know it. He did know that it was available to be done and was
an arduous goal to achieve, but if they aim high and end up with gold then that is what
the Town will know. Board Member Conneman then requested that the Town be told
what silver, gold and platinum are specifically.
Board Member Riha asked if LEED certification had anything to do with the SEAR
process. Mr. Kanter responded that it has to do with the section on energy resources
that the Town identified as a significant issue. He thought it would be helpful for the
Board to know what the different potential LEED ratings are. Mr. Kanter stated that the
Board could not require LEED certification under current laws.
Steve Bauman came before the Board and explained that LEED certification addresses
items that are outlined in the Environmental Impact Statement. It also includes the
sustainability aspects of the buildings —what type of energy is utilized, occupancy and .
density, open space, etc. Each item is ranked by points and the culmination of points
determines certification level.
Board Member Riha asked if that information would be in the scoping document or in
the Environmental Impact Statement. Chairperson Howe thought that it was a separate
issue from the scoping document.
Referring to parking concerns, Mr. Bauman explained that the 750 parking spaces
mentioned are required by the Town's development procedures. They would like to
have fewer parking spaces based upon their concepts of reducing vehicles. Mr. Kanter
directed the Board's attention to Page 10, Section K, Energy Resources, of the scoping
document. He read the section to the Board and commented that it was addressed, but
it was a question of whether the Board wanted it to be more specific. Board Member .
Conneman thought it could be more specific.
Board Member Riha stated that LEED certification is more than energy, and she
recalled that it was discussed under site plan with previous projects. Mr. Bauman
explained that LEED certification is an elective process, on their part; they believe it is
the way things should be done for the way the economy and the planet is going.
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Attorney Brock explained that the purpose of the EIS is to focus on potentially significant
adverse environmental impacts of the proposal and how they can be mitigated. To the
extent that the developer is proposing to get LEED certification, it breaks down into the
applicant proposing a series of discrete actions or design elements for the project that
cumulatively will lead to certification. She thought that the Board's concern wasn't so
much whether the developer attains the certification, but rather what are the potentially
significant adverse environmental impacts. of the proposal. If the applicant is proposing
certain elements he can apply to the LEED certification process, will those particular
elements help to mitigate the impacts? Attorney Brock suggested that instead of
making the developer go through their paces to show that the project will meet a
particular level of LEED certification, the Board should focus on the impacts of the
proposed project, what is being built into the project from the beginning that will not
create adverse impacts where otherwise you might expect them, and what are they
proposing to do with the project to mitigate some of the impacts occurring. She
reiterated that the document's purpose was not to be an in -depth informative document
on the LEED certification process itself.
Chairperson Howe asked Mr. Kanter if he had a comment. Mr. Kanter directed the
Board's attention to Board Member Wilcox's question of whether the proposal was a
concept or a plan; he understood that by the time the Environmental Impact Statement
is complete it will be a plan. The concept has to evolve into a plan in order for the
impacts to sufficiently be identified. Otherwise, all the Board has is a Generic
Environmental Impact Statement, which would not be sufficient to pursue a zoning
change.
Chairperson Howe stated that if there are items the Board heard that are not in the
scoping document sufficiently, the Board needs to make note of it. He decided that he
would state his comments first. Chairperson Howe brought up the issue of assessing
the neighborhood commercial component. He knew that the commercial component
was included in the scoping document, but liked how the several aspects of the
neighborhood commercial component were articulated during the public hearing.
Chairperson Howe then stated that he was struggling with the issue of nodal
development and what it is. He was a proponent of nodal development and was unsure
if the proposal was nodal development or not. It was a broader question that he would
be struggling with as they move forward. Chairperson Howe then expressed concern
with the timing of the review of the Comprehensive Plan and this development. He
noted that both projects needed to run through their process, but wondered how they
were going to coincide. Board Member Riha concurred.
Chairperson Howe then solicited comments from board members. Board Member
Conneman added that community is very important and that Mr. Rancich has
recognized that.. He stated that some of the neighbors are present that evening, and
Mr. Rancich should look at what.impact the project has on the community as he's filling
out the Environmental Impact Statement. Mr. Rancich responded that he met with Ms.
Dutt at her home when she called him to make a presentation to the West Hill Home
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Owners Association. He spent as much time with them as they were willing to spend
with him explaining the project. His door is open to Ms. Dutt and anyone else.
Chairperson Howe asked Board Member Conneman if the section on community
character was sufficient or if he wanted to add language. Board Member Conneman
thought the language was sufficient, and if Mr. Rancich carries out what is said in the
section then he has done what he should do in looking at the community.
Board Member Bosak stated that traffic has been identified many times as something
that needs mitigation. It occurred to him that there are two forms of the position that the
applicant seems to be taking with regard to traffic. What he calls the strong form is by
providing services at the top of the hill the development could actually reduce the
amount of traffic. He knows that it will be addressed, but he has his doubts that it will be
true. Board Member Bosak stated that there is another form that is not quite the same
thing. He explained that they know that there are "X" number of people who are going
to be coming and living on West Hill over the next "Y" years and it can be shown (and
was shown in the Route 96 study) that if the two alternatives given this number of
people are sure to come are A) let them live wherever they want or B) stack them all in
one place then you get a better traffic impact by putting them all in one place. Board
Member Bosak was expecting that the applicant was also going to look at traffic that
way. All he was saying was when the applicant does look at it that way, Board Member
Bosak will want to know where the original premise came from that "X" number of
people are sure to be living here within "Y" years. He thought that most of the time the
numbers are accepted as inevitable, but it didn't seem to be inevitable given current
circumstances.
Board Member Bosak went on to say that the removal of agricultural land is an impact
that needs to be mitigated. He was curious to know how and would like to see in the
study how the applicant intends to mitigate the removal of agricultural land. He was not
sure how anyone can do that. Mr. Rancich was not sure they could do that, but he
would certainly look at it and have an answer for Board Member Bosak. The answer
might be that 90 acres of tillable land are lost.
Board Member Riha stated that she is concerned about how the project interfaces with
the Comprehensive Plan and the Route 96 corridor management study. She presumed
that at some point there would need to be changes in the road system given the number
and size of proposed projects. She asked if that would be part of the Town's
Comprehensive Plan because one of the mitigation strategies would be to build
additional roads and reroute current roads to accommodate a large increase in
development on West Hill over the next 10 to 20 years. Board Member Riha wondered
if the Town was requiring the Holochuck EIS to include Carrowmoor and is Carrowmoor
including Holochuck project. She asked if all projects should include at least several
hundred more units because there is likelihood that there will be several more hundred
units in the next decade.
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Mr. Kanter responded that both the Carrowmoor and the Holochuck EIS's will have to
consider the additional units on West Hill. Staff met with the applicant and NYS DOT
officials discussed the connector road that goes north to Bundy Road and whether that
may have to be completed in conjunction with the Carrowmoor development in order to
make it work. DOT was leaning heavily in that direction at the time. Mr. Kanter said
that the traffic analysis will have to look at whether that connection has to be made in
order to make the traffic flow work better in that area.
Board Member Riha stated that it might be good to assume a different road system. Mr.
Kanter explained that it was built into the scoping document and it will have to be really
fleshed out in the traffic analysis. Board Member Riha thought that it would need to be
addressed in the Town's Comprehensive Plan because the applicant would have to
make assumptions. Mr. Kanter stated that unfortunately the 1993 Comprehensive Plan
does not give a lot of information about traffic, which is one reason it was being
updated. The development will interact with the plan update and vice versa, but the
timing is an off -set. Chairperson Howe thought it was good to hear that there would be
a relationship as the comprehensive planning process and the Carrowmoor project
move forward.
Board Member Erb asked if the Route 96 corridor study suggested a signal light at the
Bundy Road /Route 96 intersection. Mr. Kanter replied that it wasn't specifically
suggested. Board Member Erb stated that the Board is clearly talking about diverting
traffic over to Bundy Road, which will then have to enter on Route 96. Mr. Kanter
explained that the Carrowmoor study will have to look at it. Board Member Wilcox
added that the Holochuck development will have to look at it as well:
Mr. Kanter stated that the Route 96 study suggested creating an entrance area along
Route 96 near Bundy Road into the new nodal area at the hospital through such means
as a round -about or other landscaping, signage, and other traffic calming measures that
could help to slow traffic to realize you are coming into a more heavily developed area.
Board Member Riha asked if the scoping document should include a request for an
analysis of having several hundred more units and not just assuming present conditions
plus Carrowmoor. Mr. Kanter explained that any traffic analysis has to look at
background growth, which basically factors in a certain percentage of area -wide growth
on top of the development of the proposal being studied. In cases where numbers from
specific projects are known, those numbers have to be factored in. It normally does not
project out 20 years what is going to happen on West Hill. He noted that even the
Comprehensive Plan is not going to be that accurate in that kind of a projection, but it
will probably include a build -out analysis on West Hill.
The Board then turned their attention to Board Member Erb's concerns. Board Member
Erb stated that one speaker spoke of groundwater impact and asked if the concept of
groundwater patterns and what the construction project might be anticipated to them to
them was covered on Page ,6 of the scoping document, item C4— Describe
predevelopment conditions including on -site and off -site watershed mapping.
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Chairperson Howe noted that Mr. Walker shook his head yes. Board Member Wilcox
then asked why the Board thought there was a potential impact on groundwater. Board
Member Erb did not know and Board Member Wilcox said that is the reason why it
should be studied. Mr. Walker explained that groundwater mapping is more critical
when groundwater is being utilized as the primary water supply or is the major use as a
groundwater supply. It does not happen on West Hill because it is not reliable.
Carrowmoor will be served by public water, and most of the residents in the area are
served by public water. Part of what the applicant is doing with surface water
catchment and building the ponds may impact groundwater, but groundwater is not a
resource being utilized other than how it is related to surface hydrology and the stream
flow of the area.
Board Member Erb heard Mr. Walker say that groundwater is not a big enough issue to
force it into the scoping document. Mr. Walker agreed.
Board Member Erb then asked if the proposed Town law permits hotels and bed and
breakfasts. Attorney Brock explained that they are permitted and the hotel can only
have up to 24 rooms. Board Member Erb followed up by asking if there was any
provision for site plan review in the future to reduce the number of required parking.
spaces. Mr. Kanter answered that there are specific parking provisions in the proposed
local law that are different from the Town's normal parking provisions. Attorney Brock
added that the proposed local law does not require as much parking as the Zoning
Ordinance. Going back to Board Member Erb's question on hotels and bed and
breakfasts, Attorney Brock stated that the square footage of those businesses is
included in the maximum 36,000 square feet for commercial uses.
Chairperson Howe asked if the draft local law was available on -line. Mr. Kanter
responded that the local law currently was not on -line, but he liked the idea of posting it
to the Town's website.
Board Member Erb returned to the concerns and issues she had, and stated that she
has been skimming the scoping document and cannot find the word "dust" as in
"construction dust ". She asked if it was addressed. Chairperson Howe did not think
that it needed to be found right then, but that they should make note of the issue. Board
Member Erb then stated that someone raised the issue of signs on Route 79 and she
wanted to mention that signs have already been discussed by the Board. Signs would
not be allowed currently under Town law, and it would be addressed during the. Board's
site plan review of the project.
Board Member Erb asked what would happen if there was full residential occupancy,
but not continuous neighborhood market services in the commercial component of the
development. She was worried that if small businesses come and go, there might be
long periods of time with no corner market. Mr. Rancich explained that the commercial
spaces are going to be owned by the condominium association and the condominium
association will control the rent charged to individual businesses of Carrowmoor. The
spaces will not be for sale, so an outside owner cannot come and raise rents. Board
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Member Erb thought Mr. Rancich has said in the past that his traffic engineers have
experience evaluating similar projects that include imbedded neighborhood commercial
development, but the alternative that most worries her is that Carrowmoor residents
vote to keep shopping at Wegman's. This results in there not being a corner market to
intercept people and keep them off of Hector Street for short trips.
Mr. Rancich admitted that he had not thought of that scenario because the flavor of
Carrowmoor is to have a small community. The spirit and character of Carrowmoor is
based on residents with outside neighbors coming in and establishing a community. He
could not say it would never happen, but thought it was highly unlikely. Board Member
Erb thought it was an alternative that needed to be clearly addressed so it could be
seen in all. of its stark ugliness. Chairperson Howe suggested that the issue could be
included when assessing the neighborhood commercial component. He thought it
would be hard to address, but it could be put on the table. Board Member Erb noted
that there was also an alternatives section and wondered if the Board should ask that
the alternatives section include full residential build -out and occupancy without the
neighborhood commercial to intercept traffic. Board Member Bosak did not think that
that was what alternatives meant in that section. He thought the reason the items were
listed was to tell the Board why these courses of action were not taken instead of the
one proposed.
Chairperson Howe suggested it be added to the section expanding upon the
neighborhood commercial component. Mr. Rancich stated that if part of the concern
was for the project to go back to purely residential development, then the whole
exercise was for naught because he could.put a postage subdivision on the. land. He
felt that was not what was needed to be there —more tract housing was not needed.
Board Member Erb stated that Mr. Rancich helped her realize that the as of right
alternative already covers what she is asking for because it would be sprawl
development putting the same number of people in the same general space. Mr. Kanter
added that the traffic consultant will have to look at as a baseline what traffic would
normally be generated from a 400 unit residential development to then be able to say
what traffic would be generated from the proposed project.
Board Member Erb stated for the record that there is already built into the document
discussion of routes, frequency and duration of construction vehicle traffic. It also
includes a general neighborhood livability analysis that considers existing driveway
delays and traffic conditions for area residents and how the proposed development
relates to it.
Board Member Wilcox noted that there was nothing left for him to say other than a few
quick comments. He commented that Mr. Meigs talked about commercial impacts and
Mr. Meigs raised points Board Member Wilcox had not considered. He thought Mr.
Meigs's point of whether commercial space might attract other commercial space to the
area and that the point warrants at least a paragraph to acknowledge the point has
been thought about. Board Member Wilcox stated that a lot of Ms. Dutt's points would
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be addressed during site plan review and that he did not have any other comments
because other board members had addressed them.
Board Member Bosak followed up on Board. Member Erb's comment regarding the list
of alternatives. He thought the list was missing something important —given the
assumption that "X" number of units needs to be added to the housing stock, why
shouldn't the housing be built in the City. He stated that creating nodal development is
good, but increasing urban density was better and thought it should be explicitly added.
Attorney Brock explained that the applicant was not required to consider alternatives on
land that they do not own or have access to. Board Member Bosak responded fair
enough, but it was going to remain a central question for him.
Mr. Walker thought it was a more appropriate question for the Town's Comprehensive
Plan than an environmental impact statement. If the Town is going to be developed
with nodal development that allows for certain types of land uses, the alternative is not
using the land for that —then what is the alternative. to provide those resources? Mr.
Kanter. agreed it was a Comprehensive Plan question, but thought if it was asked about
every remaining undeveloped area of the Town it would be counter to where the
Comprehensive Plan was going. He gave the example of the Route 96 corridor; it is
going to be a growth corridor, but was more of a question of how the growth was going
to occur. Board Member Bosak asked if that was circular and he commented that he
did not know that the Comprehensive Plan had already been revised. Mr. Kanter stated
he was saying where the Comprehensive Plan was going to be going —he could state
as a fact that the Comprehensive Plan was not going to say that everything should be in
the City. Board Member Bosak asked .if the Board should be basing decisions'on Mr.
Kanter's assessment of what the Comprehensive Plan will look like. Mr. Kanter
responded that the Board should be basing its decision on where is the best place in the
Town for growth to occur; not that growth isn't going to occur in the Town.
Attorney Brock interjected that the Board should be looking at the proposed action and
what are the potentially significant adverse environmental impacts of the action and can
they be mitigated acceptably. Board Member Riha thought that was why the
Comprehensive Plan was important; it did seem that there was going to be growth on
West Hill, but she is concerned whether the roads can handle the traffic.
Attorney Brock read from the SEAR regulations a list of types of alternative actions that
can be looked at during the EIS process. Board Member Bosak stated he understood,
but a person who spoke earlier made the assertion that in fact what the Board was
considering was contrary to the Comprehensive Plan and referred to it as illegal. He
asked if the Board was supposed to be judging the project according to the law they
have or the law they are going to have. Chairperson Howe stated that the
Comprehensive Plan is not law —it is a guide. Attorney Brock explained that zoning is
supposed to be consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. Zoning is in the province of
the Town Board and if the Town Board revises the zoning to accommodate the types of
actions that are being proposed, it is not the Planning Board's purview to then say it
does not think the Town Board's zoning is consistent with the Comprehensive Plan. It is
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the job of the Town Board, and the Planning Board does not have the ability or the
authority to state that it thinks what the Town Board did was illegal. Board Member
Bosak understood that Attorney Brock was saying that the Planning Board was not
supposed to be interpreting it in light of the Comprehensive Plan, but rather in the
context of the law that the Planning Board is assuming will be passed to create the
zone.
Attorney Brock thought that the Planning Board needed to focus on the environmental
impacts and let the Town Board sort out its decision as a result of the EIS process. The
Town Board may decide that the law needs to be revised in some way as a result of the
environmental review. She reiterated that the Planning Board needed to focus on the
impacts of the project. Attorney Brock thought that the scoping document should talk
about the consistency of the project with the Comprehensive Plan.
Chairperson Howe then asked if there were other Board comments. Board Member Erb
asked how far out they were asking the applicant to go for neighborhood livability
analysis. Mr. Kanter thought language could be added to the neighborhood livability
section by adding specific references to the neighborhoods mentioned during public
comments. He suggested the language, "include an analysis of cut - through traffic and
its impacts on the following neighborhoods including Campbell Avenue to Brookfield to
Route 96; Warren Place to Richard Place, Sunrise, Cliff Park Road, Hook Place, Taylor
Place to Elm Street; and Westhaven Road to Elm Street to Coy Glen Road." He did not
think traffic counts needed to be done at every intersection because once they get the
traffic flow at the beginning. intersections then the livability analysis can look at the other
safety and speeding and other issues on livability. Board Member Erb discussed the
intersections listed in the scoping document with staff.
Chairperson Howe asked if there was anyone who wanted to address the Board before
he closed the public hearing.
A young woman came before the Board and thought that there was a misunderstanding
regarding groundwater impact. She stated that the Board had the idea that whoever
mentioned it was asking about its impact as a resource, but she thought the speaker
meant groundwater's impact as a product and what groundwater would be created from
Carrowmoor. Chairperson Howe thought it was okay and that it had been covered in
the scoping document.
The young woman then asked Mr. Rancich if he knew when the traffic engineer review
would be complete.
Marie Harkins came before the Board and wondered what kinds of standards the
residents would be held to. She noted that electric cars were being proposed, but
would residents sign an agreement to hold on to their electric cars or will the cars be
sold for SUVs. Ms. Harkins asked if residents would have to sign an agreement that
they would use the shuttle bus to go to Wegman's. She wanted the EIS to look at what
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happens if the residents don't follow through on the usage of electric cars and the
shuttle bus.
With no one else interested in addressing the Board, Chairperson Howe closed the
public hearing at 8:37 p.m. He then gave Mary Russell, attorney for applicant, an
opportunity to address the Board.
Mary Russell came before the Board to respond to the comment of the project being
contrary to the Comprehensive Plan. She explained that in the 1993 Comprehensive
Plan there is a goal of encouraging nodal development in the Town. When the Plan
was implemented in the Zoning Ordinance, the Town looked to the Special Land Use
District form of zoning to enable nodal development to take place. She went to say that
the Town Board had structured a Special Land Use District to accommodate specific
nodal development such as Carrowmoor.
Chairperson Howe stated that the Board did not need to identify language to go into the
scoping document that evening; the minutes would capture items indentified that need
to be included. He thought that the Board would also receive additional material to look
at during the next meeting.
Mr. Kanter added that the next meeting would be an opportunity for the Board to get its
thinking straight on what it wants to do to revise it. He did not think that a revised
document would be ready for that meeting.
Chairperson Howe thanked everyone for their comments and noted the Board would be
working on it over the next couple of meetings. Board Member Wilcox asked Mr.
Rancich how long it would take him to come back with a draft EIS. Mr. Rancich thought
it would take about a year to complete.
AGENDA ITEM
Distribution of the Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (Final
S /EIS) for the Ithaca College Wetland Mitigation Plan as part of the Athletics and
Events Center project, located off Coddington Road near Rich Road, W.
Northview Road, and the Water Tank Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 42 -1-
9.2 and 43 -1 -4, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves the
construction of approximately 4.5 acres of wetland in two locations on the Ithaca
College lands to compensate for approximately 2.77 acres of wetland being lost
as part of the Athletics and Events Center project. Ithaca College,
Owner /Applicant; Richard Couture, Associate Vice- President of Facilities, Agent.
Chairperson Howe announced that the Board had received the Final Supplemental
Environmental Impact Statement for the Athletic and Events Center.
Rick Couture and Michelle Palmer came before the Board to provide an update on the
Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement. Ms. Palmer stated that the
document was submitted to the Town that day and it contains the draft FSEIS and
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additional information. She noted that there was one change to a quantity; in further
study they found that there would be 2 acres of wetland that would be existing wetland
that would be included in the easement instead of 3. A map is also included that shows
the easement boundaries around the wetlands that have been discussed with the
Finger Lakes Land Trust as well as both areas of the wetland mitigation. The Board
was also given a memo from the Finger Lakes Land Trust regarding a proposed
memorandum of understanding between the Land Trust and the College and maybe the
Town. Ms. Palmer wanted to incorporate the additional comments that came in on
February 13th into the document and then resubmit to the Town in the next few days.
Mr. Kanter stated that the question was raised at the last Planning Board meeting as to
whether the Board would require a Final Supplement EIS and then go to a Findings
Statement as opposed to making negative declaration based upon the Supplemental
EIS. He thought that Ithaca College determined that it would be better to put it into the
form of a Final SEIS and go with the more standard procedure in SEQR of going back
to the Final Findings Statement.
The Board discussed comments made in the letter from Nick Schipanski. They then
discussed the format in which the Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement
would be received. It was decided that Ithaca College would provide supplemental
pages to the Final Supplemental. Environmental Impact Statement the Board had
received that evening.
With no further discussion, Chairperson Howe thanked Ithaca College.
AGENDA ITEM
Presentation and discussion regarding the 2008 Planning Department Annual
Report..
Mr. Kanter presented the Planning Department's 2008 annual report to the Planning
Board. He then highlighted various aspects of the report to the Board. A copy of the
report is attached to the Town Board minutes of February 9, 2009.
The Board briefly discussed the proposed Verizon cell tower in the Town of Dryden,
actions taken by the Zoning Board of Appeals, the Ferguson conservation easement
and Cornell's T -GETS (Transportation- focused Generic Environmental Impact
Statement).
AGENDA ITEM
Other Business
Board Member Bosak asked if towns have the ability to regulate gas drilling. Board
Member Riha stated that towns do not regulate gas drilling, and it is exempt from all
stormwater pollution regulations.
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Chairperson Howe mentioned he received a copy of the letter Bruce Bates sent Cornell
regarding compliance of construction material on Pine Tree Road. Mr. Bates explained
that Cornell has not applied for a use variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals, and
the letter notifies them of the violation and requests that Cornell come into compliance.
Mr. Kanter reviewed the agenda for the March 3rd Planning Board meeting.
AGENDA ITEM
Approval of Minutes: February 3, 2009
No discussion. Board Member Wilcox moved and Board Member Erb seconded
approval of the minutes with corrections submitted by Board Member Bosak and Board
Member Erb.
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2009— 013: Adopt Planning Board Minutes of February 3,
2009
Motion made by Fred Wilcox, seconded by Hollis Erb
WHEREAS, the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has reviewed the draft minutes
from the meeting on February 3, 2009,
Now, therefore, be it
RESOLVED, that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approves the minutes, with
corrections, to be the final minutes of the meetings on February 3, 2009.
A vote on the motion was as follows:
AYES: Howe, Wilcox, Conneman, Bosak, Riha, Erb.
NA YS: None
The motion declared to be carried unanimously.
Adjournment
Upon motion by Board Member Riha, ,Chairperson Howe adjourned the meeting at 9:23
p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
PL ����
Carrie Coa �f'
Whitmore
First Deputy Town Clerk
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PLANNING BOARD 02 /17/2009 ATTACHMENT #1
112 Valley View Road
Ithaca, NY 14850
January 22, 2009
Jonathan Kanter, Director of Planning
Town of Ithaca
Town Hall
215 North Tioga Street
Ithaca, New York 14850
JKanter@town.ithaca.ny.us
Dear Mr. Kanter,
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We are long time West Hill residents, and have lived in our current house on Valley
View Road in the Town for the past 14 years. We are writing to you to express our
concern about the proposed Carrowmoor development on Mecklenburg Road.
I, Lew Durland, am a licensed Professional Engineer and LEED° Accredited
Professional, and I have made my 28 year career in energy conservation, renewable
energy and green design. When I fast heard of the Carrowmoor project, I was excited
with the prospect of expanding Ithaca's vibrant sustainable community. The developer's
proposal to build a green community with renewable energy is laudable. I am also
encouraged by their plan to pursue a LEED® Platinum rating from the U.S. Green
Building Council (USGBC). Where development and renovation are planned, we should
strongly encourage it to be done sustainably.
However, as I learn more about Carrowmoor, I have more reservations about the project
and I am greatly concerned about its potential negative impact on the community.
My first concern has to do with its enormous scale and rural location. Their proposed
project — 400 units,pf housing, a hotel, bed and breakfast, and retail space — all located far
from the center of the City of Ithaca - is a city unto itself. Is it the intent of the Town to
create another center of the community? The proposed development in a rural location
would remove over one hundred acres of agricultural land and over ten acres of forested
land. It's not really green when you carve out your own private oasis from previously
undeveloped land.
This proposed large development would put an enormous strain on our existing
infrastructure. The traffic increase is likely to be very significant. At the January 6,
2009, Planning Board meeting, the developer said that he thought this development might
decrease traffic - -at least at certain times. Anyone who lives on West Hill knows that
decreasing traffic on Saturday morning is insignificant. The real bottlenecks occur on
weekday mornings and evenings. Carrowmoor will undoubtedly increase traffic during
those times. As traffic is backed up along Hector Street, mote people will travel down
Westhaven, Elm Street, and Coy Glen. Increased volume and speed are already making
Jonathan Kanter
January 22, 2009
those streets dangerous, at times, for us when we walk our dog, as it is for others.
Carrowmoor is likely to make it worse.
Part of the renewable energy for this proposed development is contingent upon the
developer's proposed wind farm. What happens if the wind farm does not get approved?
It would be far "greener" to use the wind farm to provide renewable energy to our
existing needs, rather than in such a self - serving manner, creating a new energy demand
where there is no such demand at the moment.
How committed to a green development is the developer? He said that the development
would attempt to achieve a US Green Building Council LEED® (Leadership in Energy
and Environmental Design) Platinum rating. Yet, at the January 6, 2009 Planning Board
Meeting, no one from his team (the developer, his designer, nor his attorney) knew
whether or not the U.S Green Building Council was a federal agency. The U.S. Green
Building Council is a non - profit organization, and the LEED° rating system is a third -
party certification program. The developer and his team should know all of this by now,
especially if, as they claim, they are attempting to achieve USGBC's highest green
building rating.
In these economic times, as people are losing their houses and businesses are closing, is it
wise to allow our zoning to be changed for a new city on the hill? The developer's
proposal is very likely to degrade the quality of life for those of us on West Hill. Please
do not let this developer's proposed "idyllic" community be a nightmare for the rest of
the neighborhood. We strongly urge you to move very cautiously with this proposed
project, and consider stopping it or scaling it way back.
Sincerely,
Lewis H. Durland and Christine M. Jolluck
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135 Westhaven Rd
Ithaca NY 14850
pduttster@gmail.com
February 15, 2009
Subject: Carrowmoor Scoping Meeting, February 17
Dear Town of Ithaca Planning Board,
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to voice my opinion on the Carrowmoor
Project. This is the first meeting of this kind that I have been to, and please excuse me if
the questions I have are more appropriate for another form.
With respect to the full Environmental Assessment form, Part 1:
• Pg 3 states that the depth of the water table is 6 to 30 feet, because building
foundations extend below the 6 -foot depth, I am asking for a full review by the
U.S.G.S. on the impact of groundwater on the site and groundwater and any
aquifers down gradient, to Cayuga Lake.
• Pg. 3 without a survey, how do you know that the site is not located over an
aquifer?
• Pg. 3: you have checked that hunting or fishing occurs, I'm assuming deer
hunting, I want to know what impact the loss of this habitat will have on the deer
population, if the density of deer will increase in the surrounding neighborhoods,
and what impact this will have: we already have a very serious deer problem here
• Pg. 4 agree that Carrowmoor needs to consult with DEC and Fish and Wildlife
concerning plant or animal species that is threatened or endangered, and I would
like to see that document.
• Pg. 5: statement 17: the site is served by existing public utilities? No
improvements are necessary to allow connection?
• Pg. 5: statement 18: noted, not verified, concerning site in Agricultural lands
• Pg. 5 number of off - street parking spaces is 750 +. What does the plus mean?
What about parking along the streets there? Could that number be up to 1000?
How does anyone know where are those cars are going? Is Carrowmoor is self -
sustaining —with all their retail and trails and van service, why do they need so
many parking spaces? They're not going to contribute to the cross -town traffic,
are they?
• Pg. 5, ques. 3 at the bottom, Will disturbed areas be reclaimed, and you've
indicate Yes and NA; how can agricultural areas be reclaimed for mixed -use
residential open space -Ag- Recreational?
Pg. 6: this project could go on for 9 years. That's a long time for people who live
nearby to tolerate the noise, pollution and traffic of construction. What sort of
traffic will be generated over those 9 years? I imagine very heavy concrete trucks
that not only clog the streets but severely damage them. As a tax payer, I want to
be compensated for this damage. Already you can go to Wal -Mart which hasn't
been around long, and see that the roads have not held up.
• P6. You mention creating jobs. What kind of jobs? Will the workers be paid a
Living Wage? Will they make enough money to live at Carrowmoor —a mixed
income establishment —or will they merely service Carrowmoor?
• P. 7: q. 17: the project will not involve the disposal of solid waste? (checked NO)
P. 7 q. 21: Project will use solar, wind, micro- hdyro, geothermal (ground- return
heat pump or cooling igneous body beneath the land)? Did not see any plans for
this on the website. How much solar? Solar panels on every rooftop? An array
of solar panels in the open field? What is micro- hydro? I never heard of it. How
much energy does it generate? What if the wind farm is not approved? Then,
will you still be a carbon neutral community? Carrowmoor will produce as much
energy as it consumes? Will these sustainable, zero carbon condos be air -
conditioned? I see no large trees on the land that could shade the houses.
P7. 23. No number given for anticipated water usage. We on West Haven have
had water pressure issues, and that needs to be investigated.
P. 8: zoning: subdivision checked, which means Carrowmoor although it presents
itself as a sustainable neighborhood is in actuality, contributing to sprawl. People
who own half - million dollar condos are not about to take the bus into Wegmans
or Cornell.
P. 9: q. 5: statement of "400 residences with 40 median income units" —what do
you mean by median income? What about condo fees? How much will those be?
What kind of income would you need to live there? AND >... exactly how many
buildings are we talking about 400 condos, 32 elderly residences, 36,000 of
commercial. That's a huge footprint for this area, in fact, it's way out of
proportion, and it will radically, irrevocably change the West Hill.
P9. q 6: stated to be "Nodal Development with full economic cross - sections
economics" Is this the place for a Nodal Development? At the top of a hill where
you have all these tributaries feeding into one narrow and residential road, Hector
Str.? And what does "full economic cross section economics" mean? A mixed
income neighborhood? Using John's numbers from a March 2008 meeting, and
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I'm sure the numbers have gone up, the average price for a unit is 400,000. This
does not include condo fees. The majority of people in Tompkins County could
not afford to live in this neighborhood; therefore you end up creating, in the
words of a friend of mine, an "oasis for the rich."
• P9. q.6: nothing stated for traffic mitigation
• P.9. `Is the proposed action compatible with adjoining /surrounding land uses
within a' /a mile —no it's not: high density residences, enough roads to support
750+ cars
• P. 10 12a: our assertion is that the existing network is NOT adequate to handle
additional traffic. As the traffic study is being completed, we want to be
involved. We want not only Hector Street assessed, but also the intersection of 79
and West Haven, West Haven and Elm, and the dangerous intersection of Elm,
Floral Ave, Hector Street and State Street. We want to make sure that the
cumulative impact of all the new developments: the new Linderman apts.,
EcoVillage, and Holochuck are thoroughly evaluated and with input from the
residents. Hector Street is a narrow, twisty street, especially dangerous 5 -6
months of the year during the winter. We are already at the breaking point in the
morning and at after work with the buildup of traffic at the Octopus and on route
13. From 4 to 6 on rt 13, you sit in a traffic jam, cars idling and producing carbon
dioxide. A development that is sustainable would not add to this mix. If the
community is walkable, and the residents ,plan on spending most of their time
there, why is the developer asking for 750+ parking spaces?
Part 2:
• p. l Construction of paved parking areas for 1000 or more vehicles, check box
unless 750 is a firm number
• p.2: after q 3, add Other impacts: Drainage to Cayuga Lake and surrounding
creeks
• p3: Proposed action will adversely affect groundwater: if foundations are deeper
than 6 feet, there will be an adverse effect on gw, if only to increase TDS (total
dissolved solids)
• Proposed Action will likely cause siltation or other discharge into an existing
body of water: check: all creeks downgradient deserve evaluation
• P. 3 near bottom: is it true that 430+ buildings won't require expansion of existing
waste treatment and /or storage facilities?
• P. 4: add other impacts: Dust generation during construction due to vegetation
removal and construction actives.
• P4. Impact on plants and animals: has this been investigated, - -won't affect any
threatened or endangered species? Is that true? Otherwise, check. Removal of a
portion of a critical or significant wildlife habitat? What about bird habitat?
Migrating geese? What about the deer? Deer are a huge issue on the West Hill.
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• P. 5 Impact on Ag land resources: I want it to be noted that 95 acres of land that
was protected as agricultural land, is being removed forever from agricultural
usage.
• P.5 I want to know what the impact will be on the Community garden.
• irreversibly changed
• p. 6. Impact to an archaeological site: I would be interested in seeing the
information on this
• p. 6 q 13: Will proposed Action affect the quantity or quality of existing or future
open spaces or recreational opportunities? Check yes. As a biker, a vista of stone
castles would completely ruin this route. A stop light would shatter the area's
peace.
• P.7 top: A major reduction of an open space important to the community. Check
Yes. This is a beautiful vista that one sees as traveling into Ithaca and it would be
obliterated by the presence of the 430 buildings.
• P. 8: check: a major reduction of an open space important to the community. Yes,
this is an important biking route. In addition, we NEED open spaces: this is what
gives the West Hill its rural atmosphere. This development will impact severely
on viewsheds, and to evaluate this impact, I am requesting that a helium balloon
study be undertaken: helium_ balloons are stationed where the 430+ buildings
would be, and at the height that they would be at, and at least this would give the
city and the town an appreciation of what the are getting themselves into.. I
• P9. Q 16. who pays for the extension and maintenance of energy transmission
lines?
• Q. 17 noise was checked. How do you propose to compensate apt. owners and
home owners for the 9 years of noise related to construction? There were 3
houses built down the road from where I live, and the noise was disruptive; I can't
image what the noise level would be like for 30 buildings, let alone 430.,
• P. 10 impact on growth and character of neighborhood. The plan is to add 900
residents in an area of maybe 2,000 to 3,000? The neighborhoods that we know
will cease to exist.
• Check: Proposed Action will conflict with officially adopted plans or goals.
Officially, these 95 acres was meant for agricultural purposes; the zoning was
supposed to protect this land. I don't understand when or how the zoning was
changed, but whoever changed it, was not protecting the neighborhoods on the
West Hill. In addition, Ithaca is a sustainable community: putting 750+ new cars
on the road only contributes to the sprawl and neighborhood car mentality. More
cars will make the already dangerous roads more dangerous to walkers and bikers,
those who try to live a sustainable lifestyle
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Continuation: That area was never zoned for 36,000 square feet of commercial
development: this area was never intended for retail by those who wrote the 1993
Comprehensive Plan and retail should not be allowed there now; furthermore, the
only way to make retail work here would be to draw those from downtown and
the East and South Hills, which would increase traffic. Furthermore, neither were
the Great Hall or recreational facilities envisioned here, which again, will
encourage more traffic up the West Hill.
In summary, although I support efforts toward sustainability - -dense housing,
walking, biking, use of alternative energies, I see Carrowmoor as actually contributing to
sprawl. These 750+ vehicles still have to get down the hill unless these residents are
content to restrict themselves to Carrowmoor. These vehicles have one main tributary in
which to flow, and this is a twisty, steep tributary that is very dangerous in winter, which
we have about 5 months of the year.
I am not convinced that alternative energies will supply a major part of the
development's energy: I see no numbers on this on the Carrowmoor website, nor have I
heard of any discussed during the meetings I've attended.
The addition of 36,000 feet of retail is contrary to the 1993 Comprehensive Plan and
may be illegal. Furthermore, having a Great Hall for celebrations such as weddings and a
large recreation center will encourage traffic up the hill. More traffic woes.
- Finally, Carrowmoor has not addressed the need for housing in this community—
which there is. Carrowmoor was marketed to wealthy Cornell alumni, not the individual
who commutes daily from Enfield because he can't find affordable housing in Ithaca.
Affordable housing is in the range of $120,000 to $200,000; Carrowmoor's median price,
that's a 1,600 sq ft unit, is $400,000. Very few people living on the West Hill could
afford such a place.
Sincerely,
Ms. Pat Dutt
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Jonathan Kanter
From: Joan Lawrence olaw75 @peoplepc.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 9:45 PM
To: jkanter @town.ithaca.ny.us
Subject: Carromoor Development
To: Town of Ithaca Planning Board
From: Joan Lawrence, 325 Warren Place, Ithaca
Re: Carromoor Development
Date: February 17, 2009
I am concerned about new and heavier traffic on Warren Place, Cliff Park Rd, Taylor Place, and lower Sunrise
Road. This is the "short -cut" through the neighborhood that drivers already take - especially in the morning - that
brings them out at the armory on Sunrise where they are let out into backed up traffic by accomodating drivers
coming down Hector St. Since none of these streets have sidewalks and some are very steep, this can be a real
hazard for school kids, walkers, and our neighbors. Several years ago, the city bus skidded across Hector St.
and into the bedroom of the house across the street because it was unable to stop at the corner of Sunrise Rd.
Luckily, the people had just left the room. It would make sense if these streets and possibly Hook Place with its
10% grade were included in the scoping, especially since most of these streets already need repair and additional
traffic would make the road surface significantly worse. It is doubtful that the City has the resources to repave all
these streets because of Carromoor's additional traffic. Since Warren Place is a wide, mostly straight street,
drivers tend to speed through the neighborhood, and some of them respond to a signal to slow down by giving the
finger and deliberately speeding up. This disregard is totally unacceptable to this neighborhood and our streets
need to be included in the scoping document.
Joan Lawrence
2/17/2009
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
215 North Tioga Street
Ithaca, New York 14850
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
AGENDA
7:00 P.M. Persons to be heard (no more than five minutes).
7:05 P.M. PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION: The purpose of the Public Scoping Session is to consider public
comments on the Draft Scoping Document (dated December 30, 2008, Revised January 12, 2009,
Further Revised January 28, 2009) regarding the scope and content for the Draft Environmental
Impact Statement (EIS) that will be prepared for the proposed Carrowmoor Development, located
off of NYS Route 79 (Mecklenburg Road) north of Rachel Carson Way, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel
No. 27 -1 -14.2, Agricultural and Medium Density Residential Zones. The proposal involves the
development of 400 +/- residential condominium units, a community center complex, up to 36,000
square feet of neighborhood oriented commercial uses, up to 32 living units in a residential
building for the elderly, a child care center, and other mixed -use development on 158 +/- acres.
The project will also include multiple new roads and walkways, open recreation areas, stormwater
facilities, and community gardens. John Rancich, Owner; Steve Bauman, Agent; Mary Russell,
Attorney. The proposed actions, including site plan and subdivision approval by the Planning
Board and rezoning to a Planned Development Zone by the Town Board, are Type I actions
pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, 6 NYCRR Part 617, and Chapter 148 of
the Town of Ithaca Code regarding Environmental Quality Review.
Copies of the Draft Scoping Document are available at the Town of Ithaca Town Hall, 215 North
Tioga Street, Ithaca, NY 14850 (call 607 - 273 - 1747), or on the Town's website at
www.town.ithaca.ny.us.
Distribution of the Final Supplemental Environmental Impact Statement (Final S/EIS) for the
Ithaca College Wetland Mitigation Plan as part of the Athletics and Events Center project, located
off Coddington Road near Rich Road, W. Northview Road, and the Water Tank Road, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 42 -1 -9.2 and 43 -1 -4, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal
involves the construction of approximately 4.5 acres of wetland in two locations on the Ithaca
College lands to compensate for approximately 2.77 acres of wetland being lost as part of the
Athletics and Events Center project. Ithaca College, Owner /Applicant; Richard Couture, Associate
Vice - President of Facilities, Agent.
4. Presentation and discussion regarding the 2008 Planning Department Annual Report.
Approval of Minutes: February 3, 2009.
6. Other Business:
Adjournment.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
273 -1747
NOTE: IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS UNABLE TO ATTEND, PLEASE NOTIFY
SANDY POLCE AT 273 -1747.
(A quorum of four (4) members is necessary to conduct Planning Board business.)
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC SCOPING SESSION
Tuesday, February 17, 2009
By direction of the Chairperson of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that a Public Scoping
Session, pursuant to 6 NYCRR Part 617, also known as the New York State Environmental Quality Review
Act, and Town of Ithaca Code Chapter 148, Environmental Quality Review, will be held by the Planning Board
of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday, February 17, 2009, at 215 North Tioga Street, Ithaca, NY, at the following
time and on the following matter:
7:05pm The purpose of the Public Scoping Session is to consider public comments on the Draft
Scoping Document (dated December 30, 2008, Revised January 12, 2009, . Further
Revised January 28, 2009) regarding the scope and content for the Draft Environmental
Impact Statement (EIS) that will be prepared for the proposed Carrowmoor Development,
located off of NYS Route 79 (Mecklenburg Road) north of Rachel Carson Way, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 27 -1 -14.2, Agricultural and Medium Density Residential Zones.
The proposal involves the development of 400 +/- residential condominium units, a
community center complex, up to 36,000 square feet of neighborhood oriented
commercial uses, up to 32 living units in a residential building for the elderly, a child care
center, and other mixed -use development on 158 +/- acres. The project will also include
multiple new roads and walkways, open recreation areas, stormwater facilities, and
community gardens. John Rancich, Owner; Steve Bauman, Agent; Mary Russell,
Attorney. The proposed actions, including site plan and subdivision approval by the
Planning Board and rezoning to a Planned Development Zone by the Town Board, are
Type I actions pursuant to the State Environmental Quality Review Act, 6 NYCRR Part
617, and Chapter 148 of the Town of Ithaca Code regarding Environmental Quality
Review.
Copies of the Draft Scoping Document are available at the Town of Ithaca Town Hall,
215 North Tioga Street, Ithaca, NY 14850 (call 607- 273 - 1747), or on the Town's website
at www.town.ithaca.ny.us.
Said Planning Board will at said time and said place hear all persons who are interested in commenting on this
matter. Persons may appear by agent or in person. Individuals with visual impairments, hearing impairments or
other special needs, will be provided with assistance as necessary, upon request. Persons desiring assistance
must make such a request not less than 48 hours prior to the time of the public scoping session. Written
comments on the Draft Scoping Document will also be accepted through 4:OOpm on February 27, 2009 at Town
Hall at the address indicated above.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
273 -1747
Dated: January 28, 2009
Publish: February 2, 2009
Monday, February 2, 2009 THE ITHACA JOURNAL
TOWN OF IT HACA
PLANNING BOARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC
SCOPING SESSION
Tuesday,`
I ..
February" 17; §009
By direction of; tfie. Chair-
ppeerson of tfie:<.PI pnningg.
ewrd NOTICE IS, HERE -
BY GIVEN.'that a; Public. i
1 Scopmg Session pursuant I
I'to 6 NYCRR .Part 617, also i
known as the New York
State Environmental Quali
; y Review Act; and Tgwn
1of Ithaca Code' Chapter
:148,' .Environmental :.Quoli-
lty, Revietiv; will be held by
+the Planning Board. of the --------- .-- . -_.__ _.__
(Town of Ithaca -on Tues-
open recreation areas,
4 February . 17, I stormwater. facilities, and i
009, at 215 North Tioo- I community gardens. John
ga Sheet, 'Ithaca; . NY at RanciSh,. or
the following fime;and:on' Bauman, Agent; Mary Rus-
sell, Attorney. The pro=
7:05pm The Purpose posed '- actions, including
of the Public Scopmg..Ses- ! site Ian and subdivision
sion is to considpr. public .approval by the . Planning,
com the ments on . Draft gourd and rezoning ,to a
Scoping Document' (dated Planned:,: Development
Decein er 30, ;20,0 , .Re j Zone by the Town Board,
vised January 12 ;" 2009; are Type I actions pursuant
Further Revised January i to the State Environmental
28,..2009 regarding the Quality : - Review Act, 6
scope an. content for the NYCRR . Part'. 6-17; and
Draft Environmentph lmpdM Chapter. 148 of the Town I
Statement IIEIS). that wi0 be; of Ithaca Code reeggording I
prepared (for the proposed Environmental Quality Re I
Carrowmoor'Development, . v1 ew.
located off of NYS Route. Copies of : the Draft
79 (Mecklenburgy' Road) ScoPmgg�� Document are
north of Roche available at the Town of i
Way, Town of Alta Taz { Ithaca Town.. '•Hall; 215
Parcel No: 27.1. 1'4:2; Ag- I North Tioga Street, Ithaca,
ricultural . and -Medium y NY 14850 (call 607-273-
Density, Residential Zones. 1747)' 'or on the Town's
The proposal inyolVes. the website at
development of 400 +/- �www.town.ithoca.ny.us.
.residential condominium
units, a, community center I Said Planning Board will
complex, up to;,. '36000 at said'' time and said
square, feet of neig�ibor place hear all persons.!
:hood oriented co- mmercial who are interested in com-
uses' up to 32 Ii in units. menting on this matter.
in a residental building fors Persons may appear. by
the: elderly, •a child'; care agent or in person. Indi
center, and other'; rnized viduals .with visual
use development on i58 I impgirmgnis hearing
+ (s- acres. The pr. e neill impairments or other spa-.
a so include .multiplle new, cial. "needs,_ will be provid-
roads and walkways, ed with assistance as nec-
essary, upon request. Per-
sons desiring, assistance
must make such a request
hot less than 48 hours pri-
or to the time of the public
scoping '. session. Written
comments on . the Draft
Scoping Document-will, al-
so be . accepted through
4:00 in on February 27,
2009 -at Town Hall of the
address indicated above.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP'
Director of Planning
273 -1747
Dated:
January 28, 2009
Publish:
February 2, 2009
Town of Ithaca Planning Board
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TOWN OF ITHACA
AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING AND PUBLICATION
I, Sandra Polce, being duly sworn, depose and say that I am a Senior Typist for the Town of
Ithaca, Tompkins County, New York; that the following Notice has been duly posted on the sign
board of the Town of Ithaca and that said Notice has been duly published in the local newspaper,
The Ithaca Journal.
Notice of Public Hearings to be held bathe Town of Ithaca Planning Board in the Town of Ithaca
Town Hall 215 North Tioga Street Ithaca New York on Tuesday February 17 2009
commencing, at 7:00 P.M., as per attached.
Location of Sign Board used for Posting: Town Clerk Sign Board — 215 North Tio ag_Street.
Date of Posting: January 28, 2009
Date of Publication: February 2, 2009
Sandra Polce, Senior Typist
Town of Ithaca
STATE OF NEW YORK) SS:
COUNTY OF TOMPKINS)
Sworn to and subscribed before me this 2 "d day of February 2009.
Notary Public
CONNIE F. CLARK
Notary Public, State of New York
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