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TOWN.OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 16, 2004
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on Tuesday, November 16,
2004, in Town Hall, 215 North Tioga Street, Ithaca, New York, at 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Fred Wilcox, Chairpersons Eva Hoffmann,
Conneman, Board Member; Tracy Mitrano, Board Member
Board Member; Rod Howe, Board Member; John Barney,
I
.m.); Jonathan Kanter, Director of Planning (7:19 p.m.);
Engineering (7:31 p.m.); Susan Ritter, Assistant Director
Environmental Planner.
Board Member; George
(7:15 p.m.); Larry Thayer,
attorney for the Town (7:19
Daniel Walker, Director of
of Planning; Mike Smith,
EXCUSED: Kevin Talty, Board Member; Christine Balestra, Planner.
OTHERS: Thomas Hartshorne, 108 Kay St; Bill Goodman, 231 Rachel Carson Way;
David Mountin, 274 Gray Rd; Helen Gibson, 108 West Haven Rd; Barbara Warland,
108 West Haven Rd; John Keefe, Cornell University; Rob Gilbert, Cornell University;
Michelle Baily, Cornell University; Shirley Egan, Cornell University; John Gutenberger,
Cornell University; (several other representatives from Cornell that did not speak or sign
in).
Chairperson. Wilcox declared the meeting duly opened at 7:05 p.m., and accepted for
the record Secretary's Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of Public
Hearings in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on November 8, 2004 and November 101
2004, together with the properties under discussion, as appropriate, upon the Clerks of
the City of Ithaca and the Town of Danby, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of
Planning, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of Public Works, and upon the
applicants and /or agents, as appropriate, on November 10, 20040
Chairperson Wilcox read the Fire Exit Regulations to those assembled, as required by
the New York State Department of State, Office of Fire Prevention and Control.
AGENDA ITEM: PERSONS TO BE HEARD
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the
members of the public to address the board on ar
With no persons present to be heard, Chairperson
meeting at 7:06 p.m.
meeting at 7:05 p.m., and invited
item that was not on the agenda.
Wilcox closed this segment of the
AGENDA ITEM: SEOR Determination: Hartshorne 2 -Lot Subdivision, 106 & 108
Kay Street
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:06 p.m.
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Chairperson Wilcox — Do you wish to make a statement or not?
Tom Hartshorne, 108 Kay St
I don't think its necessary. It's very clear. It's outlined in the paragraph.at the top here.
Chairperson Wilcox — Are you aware of any environmental concerns related to the
subdivision being proposed? .
Mr. Hartshorne — None.
Chairperson Wilcox — Questions with regard to environmental review? There are none.
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004 -113: SEOR, Preliminary and. Final Subdivision
Approval, Hartshorne Two -Lot Subdivision, 106 and 108 Kay Street, Tax Parcel
No.'s 71 =1 -54 and 7141 55
MOTION made by George Conneman, seconded by Larry Thayer.
WHEREAS.
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed two -lot subdivision located at 106 and 108 Kay Street, Tax Parcel No.'s
714-54 and 71 -1 -55, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves
subdividing off a 0.12 + /- acre parcel from 106 Kay Street and consolidating it with
108 Kay Street, Thomas H. Hartshorne, Owner /Applicant, and
2. This is an Unlisted. Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is
legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with
respect to Subdivision Approval, and
3. The Planning Board on November 16,
adequate a Short Environmental Asse:
applicant, and Part 11 prepared by the
"Survey Map No. 106 & 108 Kay Street,
York," dated September 13, 2004, by
application materials, and
2004, has reviewed and accepted as
>sment Form Part 1, submitted by the
Town Planning staff, a survey entitled
Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New
Allan T. Fulkerson L.L.S., and other
4. The Town planning staff has recommended a negative determination of
environmental significance with respect to the proposed Subdivision Approval.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED.
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination
of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental
Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed and, therefore, neither
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a Full Environmental Assessment Form, nor an Environmental Impact Statement will be
required.
The vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Thayer, Howe.
NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:07 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval
for the proposed 2 -lot subdivision located at 106 and 108 Kay Street, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 71 =1 =54 and 71 =1 =55, Medium Density Residential. Zone.
The proposal is to subdivide off a +/- 0.12 -acre parcel from 106 Kay Street to be
consolidated with 108 Kay Street, Thomas H. Hartshorne, Owner /Applicant.
Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:07 p.m. and invited members of the
public to address the board. With no members of the public present to be heard,
Chairperson Wilcox closed the public hearing at 7 :08 p.m.
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004 -114: Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval,
Hartshorne Two -Lot Subdivision, 106 and 108 Kay Street, Tax Parcel No.'s 71 =1 10054
And 71 =1 -55
MOTION made by Fred Wilcox, seconded by Rod Howe.
WHEREAS.
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed two -lot subdivision located at 106 and 108 Kay Street, Tax Parcel No.'s
71 =1 -54 and 71 =1 -55, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves
subdividing off a 0.12 + /- acre parcel from 106 Kay Street and consolidating it with
108 Kay Street. Thomas H. Hartshorne, Owner /Applicant, and
2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as
lead agency in environmental review with respect to Subdivision Approval, has
on November 16, 2004, made a negative determination of environmental
significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short
Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and Part It
prepared by the Town Planning staff, and
3. The Planning Board on November 16; 2004, has reviewed and accepted as
adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part. 1, submitted by the
applicant, and Part 11 prepared by the Town Planning staff, a survey entitled
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Approved December 7, 2004
"Survey Map No. 106 & 108 Kay Street, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins County, New
York," dated September 13, 2004, by Allan T. Fulkerson L.L.S., and other
application materials.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED:
i. That the Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Subdivision
Approval for the proposed two -lot subdivision at 106 and 108 Kay Street, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 714-54 and 71 -1 -55, as shown on the survey map
entitled "Survey Map No. 106 & 108 Kay Street, Town of Ithaca, Tompkins
County, New York," dated September 13, 2004, by Allan T. Fulkerson L.L.S.,
subject to the following conditions.
a. submission for signing by the Chairman of the Planning Board of an
original or mylar copy of the final subdivision plat, and three dark -lined
prints, including the name and seal of the registered land surveyor, prior to
filing with the Tompkins County Clerk's Office, and submission of a receipt
of filing to the Town of Ithaca Planning Department, and
b. Within six months of this approval, consolidation of the 0.12 + % acre
subdivided parcel from 106 Kay Street (Tax Parcel No. 714-55) with the
neighboring property at 108 Kay Street (Tax Parcel No. 714-54), and
submission to the Town Planning Department of a copy of the request to
the Tompkins County Assessment Department for the consolidation.
The vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Thayer, Howe.
NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
AGENDA
ITEM:
SEQR
Determination:
Extension
/ West
Haven
Road
Mountin 8 -Lot Subdivision, Elm Street
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:09 p.m.
Bill Goodman, 231 Rachel Carson Way
Since the last time we were here, if you remember the discussion, we had a meeting
with Town staff toward the end of October and we split it up what was lot f at that point,
which was one lot into. three separate lots, lot f, lot g and lot he Lot g. is going to be
dedicated to the Town for general municipal purposes and it contains the access road
for two lots back here plus the emergency access road for Ecovillage. Then lot f would
continue to be donated to the Town for public park and then lot h is going to be taken
over by Mr. and Mrs. Terwilliger, who live here, and consolidated with their lot. The
Town wanted this strip here to remain in private hands and the Town will get an
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easement over lot' h to put in a walking trail for additional access from Elm St Ext up to
the park. Then of course, the Town will own this strip to give it access through here as
well.
Chairperson Wilcox - Susan, can you tell me why the Town decided to deal with those
two access strips differently?
Ms. Ritter - Well, I think there was a thinking that having one owned access would be a
good idea. It would give the Town a little bit more control over getting access into the
park and having some control over if there needed to be parking facilities and things like
that, but I think the Town wanted to limit the liability. We were kind of given some legal
counsel that perhaps we should limit the liability and the cost associated with having
both access drives. It was thought the one off West Haven seemed to make the more
sense.
Chairperson Wilcox - So, if the Town had their choice, they might not have taken either
strip?
Ms. Ritter - I think it was a desire to have...
Chairperson Wilcox - I mean from 'a liability point of view they might not have wanted to
take either one, but they decided it would be in the Town's best interest to have one so
that they would have access to it.
Ms. Ritter - And the one on West Haven seemed to make most sense.
Chairperson Wilcox - Given its current use which is. ..and its also the secondary access
to Ecovillage right now, right?
Ms. Ritter - That's correct. So maybe down the road some future day maybe that would
turn into a public road, but not anytime soon.
Chairperson Wilcox - And then the little piece for the snowplows to turnaround.
Ms. Ritter - That's correct. Right.
Chairperson
Wilcox -
Questions?
I mean we have
seen this one a couple times now
and I kind of
wish Mr.
Barney was
here at this point,
but he's not.
Board Member Hoffmann - It seems to me that all the things as I look at the papers we
got that all the things have now been taken care of really.
Chairperson Wilcox - We went through most of the environmental issues at the last
meeting.
No further discussion.
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PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004 -115: SEOR, Preliminary and Final Subdivision
Approval, Mountin 8 -Lot Subdivision, Elm Street Extension/West Haven Road,
Tax Parcel No. 28 =1 -28.22
MOTION made by Larry Thayer, seconded by Rod Howe.
WHEREAS.
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed 84ot subdivision located on Elm Street* Extension and West Haven
Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 284- 28.22, Medium Density Residential
Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 33.3 +/- acre parcel into four
residential building lots (between 3.7 +/- and 5.8 +/- acres in size) along Elm
Street Extension, two narrow parcels of 2.7 +/- and 0.98 +/- acres in size to be
consolidated with existing adjacent parcels, a narrow 0.98 +/= acre parcel with
access off W. Haven Road to be conveyed to the Town for municipal purposes,
and a 10.7 +/- acre parcel to be donated to the Town for open space /park
purposes. Helen DeGraff Family Real Estate, Owner; David Mountin, Applicant,
and
2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is
legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with
respect to Subdivision. Approval, and
3. The Planning Board on November 16, 2004, has reviewed and accepted as
adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the
applicant, and Part II prepared by the Town Planning staff, a survey entitled
"Final Subdivision Plan for Mountin Subdivision" by Scott E. Edsall and William A
Edsall, Land Surveyors, P.C., dated Nov. 5, 2004, and plans titled "Elm Street
Extension Town of Ithaca Subdivision Review Hydrologic Investigation" date
stamped 9116104, prepared by Tompkins County Soil and Water Conservation
District, and "Erosion and Sediment Control Plan for Elm Street Extension
Subdivision" date stamped 9130104, and other application materials, and
4. The Town planning staff has recommended a negative determination of
environmental significance with respect to the proposed Subdivision Approval.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED.
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination .
of environmental significance in accordance with the New York. State Environmental
Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed and, therefore, neither
a Full Environmental Assessment Form, nor an Environmental Impact Statement will be
required.
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The vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Thayer, Howe.
NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:14 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval
for the proposed 8 -lot subdivision located on Elm Street Extension and West
Haven Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 28 -1- 28.22, Medium Density
Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 33.3 +/= acre parcel into
four residential building lots (between 3.7 +/= and 5.8 +/= acres in size) along Elm
Street Extension, two narrow parcels of 2.7 +/= and 0.98 +/- acres in size to be
consolidated with existing adjacent parcels, a narrow 0.98 +/= acre parcel with
access off W. Haven Road to be conveyed to the Town for municipal purposes,
and a 10.7 +/= acre parcel to be donated to the Town for open space /park
purposes. Helen DeGraff Family Real Estate, Owners David Mountin, Applicant,
Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:15 p.m.
Chairperson Wilcox — Proposed lot d actually has two points of frontage on.Elm St Ext.
Ms. Ritter —Yes.
Chairperson Wilcox — Does it need a variance?
Ms. Ritter — You don't add those two together and come up with the 150, is my
understanding.
Chairperson Wilcox —. You need a contiguous...
Ms. Ritter _ That's right. We've had that happen before where we've had two pieces, in
fact, I think it was on Elm St and there were two pieces and the two of them together
would have come up with the right amount but it has to be contiguous.
Chairperson Wilcox — Do we have any questions of the applicant?
Chairperson Wilcox invited members of the public to address the board. With no
persons interesting in addressing the board, Chairperson Wilcox closed the public
hearing at 7:17 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board.
Chairperson Wilcox — Has the Town Attorney reviewed the draft resolution that is in
front of us?
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Ms. Ritter — I believe so. I don't know if he has reviewed this most recent one.
Chairperson Wilcox — I read it and I didn't find anything, but...
Ms. Ritter — The only thing different from the previous easement was now we need to
get a maintenance agreement for the parcels that would be fronting on Elm St and
would be using the Elm St Ext driveway. That would be necessary because we are
approving a subdivision and just wanting to make sure there is a maintenance
agreement. So that was really., the other addition also is loth. Ym sorry lot g.
Chairperson Wilcox — Lot g is separate lot now.
Ms. Ritter — So we need to get an easement on lot h to. get an easement access that
trail and maintain it.
Chairperson Wilcox — Good timing, John. We were just discussing the Mountin
resolution. It is what I would call a complicated subdivision requiring numerous
consolidations and easements and agreements.
Attorney Barney — We have talked about these before.
Chairperson Wilcox - Before we get to the resolution,
Mr. Mountin and your other members who will be
neighbors who have come together to put this together,
is a wonderful show of community support and maybe
benefits both the neighbors and the Town. I don't k
congratulations.
1 think it is appropriate to thank
putting houses there and the
finance it in some way. I think it
even activism a little bit, which
:now how you pulled it off, but
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004416: Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval,
Mountin 8 -Lot Subdivision, Elm Street Extension/West Haven Road, Tax Parcel
No. 28 =1 -28.22
MOTION made by George Conneman, seconded by Eva Hoffmann.
WHEREAS.
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed 8 -16t subdivision located on Elm Street Extension and West Haven
Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 28- 1- 28.22,, Medium Density Residential
Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 33.3 +/- acre parcel into four
residential building lots (between 3.7 +/- and 5.8 +/- acres in size) along Elm .
Street Extension, two narrow parcels of 2.7 +/- and 0.98 +/- acres in size to be
consolidated with existing adjacent parcels, a narrow 0.98 +/- acre parcel with
access off W. Haven Road to be conveyed to the Town for municipal purposes,
and a 10.7 +/- acre parcel to be donated to the Town. for open space /park
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purposes. Helen DeGraff Family Real Estate, Owner; David Mountin, Applicant,
and
2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as
lead agency in environmental review with respect to Subdivision Approval, has
on November 16, 2004, made a negative determination of environmental
significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short
Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the applicant, and Part 11
prepared by the Town Planning staff, and
3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on November 16, 2004, has
reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form
Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and Part ll prepared by the Town Planning
staff, a survey entitled "Final Subdivision Plan for Mountin Subdivision" by Scott
E. Edsall and William A Edsall, Land Surveyors, P.C., dated Nov. 5, 2004, and
plans titled "Elm Street Extension Town of Ithaca Subdivision Review Hydrologic
Investigation" date stamped 9116104, prepared by Tompkins County Soil and
Water Conservation District, and "Erosion and Sediment Control Plan for Elm
Street Extension Subdivision" date stamped 9 130104, and other application..
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED:
i. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for
Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval, as shown on the' Preliminary and
Final Subdivision Checklists, having determined from the materials presented
that such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of
subdivision control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the. Town Board, and
2. That the Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Subdivision
Approval for the proposed 84ot subdivision located along Elm Street Extension
and West Haven Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 28 -1= 28.22, as shown on
the survey entitled "Final Subdivision Plan for Mountin Subdivision" dated Nov. 5,
2004, by Scott E. Edsall and William A Edsall, Land Surveyors, P.C., subject to
the following conditions:
a. prior to signing of the plat by the Chairman of the Planning Board, the
Town Board grants approval for the Town to accept the donation of lands
shown as "Lot F" for a Town park, and "Lot G" for general municipal
purposes, all as shown on the above - referenced subdivision map, and
be granting of the necessary variances for Parcels A, By C, D. and F from the
Zoning Board of Appeals, prior to the signing of the plat by the Chairman
of the Planning Board, and
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ce submission for signing by the Chairman of the Planning Board of an
original or mylar copy of the final subdivision plat, and three dark -lined
prints, including the name and seal of the registered land surveyor, prior to
filing with the Tompkins County Clerk's Office, and submission of a receipt
of filing to the Town of Ithaca Planning Department, and
do submission of an easement and maintenance agreement, for review and
approval by the Attorney for the Town, allowing the shared use and
maintenance of the access driveway off Elm Street Ext. between Parcels
A, B, C. and D, said approval.to be issued prior to the signing of the plat
by the Chairman of the Planning Board, and
e. submission of a maintenance agreement, for review and approval by the
Attorney for the Town, to insure continued shared maintenance
responsibility of the access drive off Elm Street Extension (Lot H) between
parcels owned by Cowie & White, Terwilliger, and Luft prior to the signing
of the plat by the Chairman of the Planning Board, and
fe completion of an easement agreement (to be incorporated into the deed
when Lot F is conveyed to the Town),. for review and approval by the
Attorney for the Town, granting a temporary 20 foot wide easement from
Lot H for trail construction, and granting a permanent 10 foot wide
easement from Lot H for purposes of providing public access and Town
maintenance of a pedestrian trail, and
go within six months of this approval, consolidation of Parcel E with the
adjacent Eco Village at Ithaca Inc. property (Tax Parcel No. 28. -1- 26.22) to
the north, and consolidation of Parcel H with the Terwilliger property (Tax
Parcel No. 29. -4 -12) and submission to the Town Planning Department of
a copy of the request to the Tompkins County Assessment Department for
the consolidation, and
he submission of record of application for and approval status of all
necessary permits from county or state agencies, including but not limited
to the Notice of Intent for Stormwater Discharges Associated with
Construction Activities for NYSDEC, and
i. conveyance of Lot F to the Town of Ithaca for park purposes and Lot G to
the Town of Ithaca for general municipal purposes prior to the issuance of
Certificates of Occupancies for Lots A — D.
The vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Thayer, Howe.
NAYS: None.
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The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
AGENDA ITEM: SEQR Determination: Cornell University East Campus Research
Facility, Corner of Tower and Campus Roads
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:23 p.m..
John Keefe, Cornell University
Good evening. My name is John Keefe. I am the project manager for the East Campus
Research Facility. Tonight along with Dr Rob Gilbert, the Associate Dean of the College
of Veterinary Medicine, we are going to present the site plan review for the East
Campus Research facility. If you recall, we were here back in August with our sketch
plan review. From that point in time, we have certainly advanced our drawings and our
specifications to the point where we feel we are ready for the preliminary and final site
plan review for the Phase I and II%
The East Campus Research facility is an 80,000 gross square foot facility. It will
be four floors with three floors dedicated to research and the top floor dedicated to the
mechanical areas. It is slated to be primarily an animal holding facilities and it will be
able to handle any studies up from biological safety 1 through biological safety 3. The
building is needed by Cornell University and before] talk more about the site plan I
would like to read a quotation from the provost at Cornell that really spells out the
reasons why we want to build this facility. Earlier this year, Provost Martin stated:
"Cornell University regards the use of animals in research and teaching as
essential to continued progress in science, engineering, medicine,
agriculture, and education. We also consider essential to devote all
resources necessary to adhere to the highest ethical standards of animal
care and use."
That is the primary reason that we have a desire to build this facility. On my. left
your right is the vicinity plan and hopefully I can show you about where we are at. This
is Tower Road running along here, north being in this direction, Campus Road and then
366 along the side here. This is the College of Veterinary Medicine's medical facility,
large and small animal clinic, and this right here is the 9 -story veterinary research tower,
which is a prominent landmark at Cornell.
The East Campus Research facility is proposed to be in the northeast corner of
Tower and Campus Roads in this area here is shown. On the map on my right, maybe
a little hard to see some of the cross hatches, but we tried to overlay the new building
on existing conditions and show the old building so that you. can get an idea of what it is
going to look like. This` right here is the lab animal sciences building and that is the
24,000 gross square foot facility we will be demolishing to place the new facility in this
location.
Basically what we have dog
location. We have moved it further
building. So our parking situation
taken the bus stop located here,
Number one, it brings the bus stop
sight lines if you are trying to pull
there is a bus in the way.
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ie, is if you look there is a parking lot right in this
south and added additional parking to the rear of the
really became a wash when we did that. We have
moved it more to the north really for two reasons.
closer to the entrance to the college and it has better
out of the parking lot right now it is quite difficult if
The building is basically blocks that are designed...(not audible)... to Tower
Road. The main block, which right here, is the animal holding portion of the facility. We
have what we call an east support block here. That is a three -story structure. It is all
part of the facility, but it comes more into blocks... easier to explain. In that section there
will be both procedure and research area. To the rear, we have what we call the east
support block. That is a two -story structure and that primarily has the loading docks,
shipping and receiving on the first floor and on the second floor it has a rather large
cage and rack washing facility.
To the rear, we sort of refer to this as our mechanical tail. That is where our
utilities will be entering and that is where the electrical panels are and a lot of the
mechanical pumps. Then finally, up in this area is what we refer to, as neck of the
facility and that is basically the connectivity to the veterinary research tower as well as a
conference room in the commons area. We have also highlighted at the bottom here,
which will be Phase II and Phase II is our potential future expansion. No idea when and
if we would do this and it would depend upon research needs and availability of funding
in the future.
Next, I will give you a little idea of how we plan to landscape the facility. Again,
we look at this, as a prominent entry to campus and a prominent entry to the veterinary
medical center so what we have planned to do currently is line the Town Road area with
sort of a hedge maple or a tree of that type. We have a coniferous grouping up in this
area right here basically to assist in circulation. Against the buildings we have some
shrub massings here and here. This little area here is sort of an inner courtyard. We'll
have a signature tree, some type of flower crab apple or something like that in there,
which will also be visually lit at night. Again, the parking lot here and the brick pavers in
this area and lawn to continue up through here.
The traffic circulation will have no alteration at all. It will remain as it always has
been. Pedestrian circulation we will focus pedestrians out and around the facility rather
than up close to it.
These two boards give you an idea of what we are proposing it to look like. This
on my right is the east side and that's the side facing the college of veterinary medicine
and the west side which is the Tower Road expose, which is the primary exposure for
the facility. We are planning to use parallel overlapping brick panels for primarily most
of the building. The glaze structures you see here are actually our corridors in the front
and back and they are going to be a translucent structural glazing. Sort of a u- shaped
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channel glass to bring some light into the facility. The commons area down here is also
made up of that translucent structural glass and it also has some clear glass reveals in
its
Board Member Hoffmann — Can I ask you a question at this point? We don't see the
medical facility on this drawing. Is that because it is hidden by this building or because
you just didn't draw it?
Mr. Keefe — Its because the architect didn't draw it in.. You are going to see it, but if you
could imagine this top of the stair tower here is about 76 feet and. I believe that the
veterinary medical center runs about 85. So depending on if you are down low or if you
are standing up you will get a view of it. So we just say that we are standing close to
the building at this point. In this picture you can sort of see it in relation. This is a
southern view. Both the southern and northern exposures will be this infill material that
is sort of an aluminum glaze metal panel along with clear glass reveals in these areas
here. This also gives you a good idea on how it stands in relation to both the tower as
well as the vet med center. On our right is the artist rendering of what the facility should
look like.
Board Member Hoffmann — And that is seen from where?
Mr.. Keefe
— That is seen from Tower Road if
you
are almost even with the vet research
tower, you
are sort of looking at it in an angle
that
way.
Chairperson Wilcox — With the commons area right in the middle.
Mr. Keefe — That is correct. This is the commons area right here. They have left out
the flowering crab so you could see the building itself. So the next step we did is we
took...we tried to take a look at what it is going to look like from various locations
throughout the surrounding community. We took six shots, which are shown down
there on the bottom right hand corner of that slide and as you see in the shots if it is
depicted in bright yellow that is what you will see, if its dotted in yellow, which you really
can't see on some of these it would be hidden by other structures or vegetation.
The first shot is coming up Dryden Road on Route 366. You will be able to see
it. The building will not be that yellow. We took a lot at ... shot two is from Forest Home.
Actually we moved up from Forest Home up Pleasant Grove Road, not a visible facility
from that point. Three was our shot from the municipal golf course and four from West
Hill and in both of those locations it is concealed. Five gives you a view from
Hungerford Hill. Hungerford Hill you will get to see a little bit of it and I think the best
way to picture this in your mind is if you can see the vet research tower and you come
down about 60 feet or 50 feet that's what you are going to see of this facility because it
is sort tucked in there. Finally, from South Hill there will be some evidence...
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Board Member Hoffmann - I have some questions about that. The first one is why did
you choose to look at the view from Hungerford Hill? There is not even a public road
going through there. That road is closed to the public for going through.
Mr. Keefe - I wasn't aware of that. I've driven on it.
Board Member Hoffmann - There are signs on it saying that. And the ... I mean there
are other roads in that area, like I just did a quick survey tonight I approximately knew it
already from living in that area and seeing it, but if you go on Pine Tree Road, which is a
very heavily traveled road you might see it a little bit from certain spots from Maple
Avenue you certainly see it. From Route 366 further west than where you took the
picture you certainly see it because you are closer to the facility. Lets see. What was
the other road I thought of? From Ellis Hollow Road and especially at the end where
Game Farm Road comes off Ellis Hollow.you definitely see it. So why did you choose
Hungerford Hill? That doesn't make any sense tome. .
Mr. Keefe - I just tried to basically spread it out along the major points in the taller
elevations and I choose Hungerford Hill as one of them. There is really no other
reasoning behind it other than that. We are certainly not trying to hide the building. I
think architecturally it is a very attractive building, but we wanted to show it from various
locations and I guess I was wrong in my choice of Hungerford Hill.
Board Member Hoffmann Yeah, I think so because there aren't that many people
going that road and the only people who go there are the people who go out to work in
those labs or supposedly. I mean there is a sign that says it is not a through road and
its Cornell's property. The other question I had is where on South Hill did you take that
picture?
Mr. Keefe - The exact location is pinpointed right there.
Board Member Hoffmann - What is the name of the road?
Mr. Keefe - Deer Run,
Board Member Hoffmann - I don't know. That doesn't look like Deer Run to me from
this map that I have, but it is really very hard. I'd like to know what road you took it on
because I think there are probably roads where you can see it more. I'm not saying this
because I think it is necessarily going to be a problem. You see the existing buildings
much more than you are going to see this. I just think it is a poor choice of places if you
are trying to make a point about what can be seen and what can't be seen because you
should make a choice of places where there are lots of people who might see it or not
see it rather than a road on a private property where not many people are going to see
it except Cornell people and this is a Cornell property. Do you understand what I am
trying to say?
Mr. Keefe - I certainly do.
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Board Member Hoffmann — I don't know how other people feel about this, but I felt it
was a little odd.
Board Member Howe — It wasn't really an issue for me. I think it gives you a sense from
a variety of locations so I was very comfortable and there are two buildings next to it
that are much taller so it was really not a major issue for me and this gave me a sense.
Board Member Hoffmann — Right, but I think you would get a better sense that it is
going to be much more visible than some of those other roads that I mentioned in the
southeast than the view you get from Hungerford Hill.
Board Member Howe - Like I said, I don't see it that way.
Mr. Kanter — I think if you were doing a visual analysis in the sense of possible
significant impact on scenic resources I think you would do it the way you are describing
its I don't think that is what this was. I think it was a characterization of what the
architecture would look like. It's recognizing that it is basically an urbanized campus
area so it is not like a scenic viewshed that you are affecting.
Board Member Hoffmann— Right, but I disagree and I .take exception of the Hungerford
Hill Road choice. Anyway, that was just something that I wanted to say when you were
talking about that. You can go on ahead with whatever you were going to talk about
next.
Mr. Keefe— What I've done is taken the second floor plate to give you an example of
what the interior is going to look like since all the floor plates on each of the floors are
pretty much identical. The drawing on my left here represents the phase I and all we
did over here is add in the phase II. As you can see, phase 11 would simply be just one
additional suite or one additional bay of the. six rooms. We have also taken into account
all fire and life safety issues that if we ever put this phase II in it still meets the
requirements, the stairs and stand pipes and those items.
So anyway, if you look at the diagram to my left, your right, I talked earlier about
the animal holding room block, which is right here. This is a four -story block with the
four -story being all mechanicals. What this is, is it starts out as an administrative area
in this portion, has a men's and women's locker room and then simply two bays or two
suites of six rooms each.
This is the example of the west support bar and on the second floor, which is the
entrance to wear we plan to have the barrier mouse facility that is primarily sterilization
to get into the facility itself for both personnel equipment and animals. The support bar
on the east side is a full cage and rack washer facility, if you can imagine this is like a
very, very large dishwasher, sort of walk through type and the machinery at the top is a
conveyor tunnel washer where you rotate things through when they are being cleaned.
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One of your concerns in August was security and we have been working closely
with both Cornell Police, local security agencies, and a security consultant that we've
hired. I just wanted to touch for a second on those aspects. All of the doors basically
into the facility and into the rooms and into these airlocks here are going to be secured
with a proximity reader. The ones at the very entrance of the facility will have both the
proximity reader and either a keypad or some type of biometrics. So for instance if Dr
Gilbert lost his ID card and I ran and got it I could not get in unless I had the biometrics
or his keypad address to get in.
If you are a researcher working in this room right here, you would pass one, twol
three, four, five, six, seven doors. I don't want to say that we have seven levels of
security, but it is also for access control because we want only certain people to have
access to certain rooms. Certain workers could only have access to certain rooms
because you don't want workers who are perhaps working on one species of animal
mixing with another species. That is how we sort of keep it separate by using proximity
readers on a door allowing access only to certain areas. I think that concludes our
formal portion of the briefing and we would be happy to take any questions you have at
this point.
Board Member Hoffmann — You showed us the floor plan of the phase II building, but
you have not shown in the elevations what the phase II building might look like. Is that
right?
Mr. Keefe — That is correct because if you ... all you can do on this is that it would be
exactly the same except that it would continue out to here and come down that one bay.
I have a picture in the office of it but it was really ... you couldn't even tell the difference.
Board Member Hoffmann — Right, but for our purposes, I think ... maybe I should make
sure. Does this approval include both phase I and phase II?
Mr. Smith — No. The approval is just for the phase I, the 80,000 square feet. The
segr...all the material referenced both phases, the seqr part I referenced both phases.
Without having the timeframe for the second one, we didn't put it along with it and the
timeframe in the zoning ordinance when you would have to go through and actually start
construction from the time period that you get the approvals without having the time and
just the phase I would take construction over two years. They would have to come back
at some point anyways, so...
Board Member Hoffmann — So this is just for general information in the future. We are
not approving those.. Ahat phase I I addition that you show us.
Mr. Keefe — That is the way it was explained to me. Yes.
Board Member Hoffmann —That explains that. Thank you.
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Board Member Mitrano — The translusive material that you mentioned on the front
there,. how is that perceived from the inside? Is it dark window or...
Mr. Keefe — No. Its...if you can imagine a window with maybe like wax paper on it so
you can see images, but you can't see any distinct features of it. This is the view that
you would get.
Board Member Mitrano — And on the outside how is it perceived?
Mr. Keefe — It would be exactly the same because it is basically a u- shaped channel
glass, which is interlocked- like this .so you would really get the same. You could see
shadows and shapes and that would be about it.
Board Member Mitrano — Is it more environmentally sensible in our climate to not use
windows? I'm just trying to understand.
Mr. Keefe — Certainly you could build a building with absolutely no windows in it, but that
is not desirable for the people who work inside. This glass does have a...l mean it
would obviously... the glass would transmit more cold or heat than brick would, but this
type of glazing is much different than you would really see on a normal double panel
window. It's much better rating than that.
Board Member Mitrano — The second question 1 have, I'm just a little bit curious and it is
probably tanjuncture to site plan review, but what are your policies with respect to the
records that are . kept by the security systems that use biometrics or other forms of .
identity augmentigation.
Mr. Keefe — Could you ask that again?
Board Member Mitrano — What do you do with the records that are kept by the
technology that records entrance and exits...?
Mr. Keefe — They would be kept by the facility manager. That individual would have
knowledge of who went into what rooms at what times and that is an important thing to
know.
Board Member Mitrano — And do you have any access policies as to how that
information is disclosed or not disclosed?
Mr. Keefe — I'm not aware of any that we have planned right now.
Board Member Conneman — I have a question. You didn't bring a sample of the
materials or did you show them to the staff?
Mr. Keefe — No, I did not.
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Board Member Conneman - Sometimes it helps to see a sample of what the siding is,
what the windows are or so forth.
Board Member Howe = I wasn't here for the August meeting and I should know this, but
where is the waste incinerator. I know that all the waste from this building will go to the
waste incinerator.
Rob Gilbert, Cornell University
Before this facility is complete, the new waste management facility at Cornell will be
complete. The current incinerator is situated right here and the new waste management
structure extends slightly west and north. It makes it more or less in the same spot with
a slightly bigger footprint.
Board Member Mitrano - I am woefully ignorant about veterinary medicine. Is there a
design purpose to the lack of windows in the tall structure that exists in what appears to
be the design of this one that doesn't have windows? There must be a purpose to it
and I'm curious as to what that is.
Mr. Gilbert - I'm probably not the right person to comment on that, I don't personally like
that windowless feature on that tall building, but many researchers ,prefer the
environmental control that the lack of light allows in a laboratory. Others have precisely
the opposite view and enjoy looking out over the lake or whatever they see.
Board Member Hoffmann - I would assume that if there were windows in the building
they would be just to look through rather than to be able to open because they have
these special pressurized rooms and so on to contain the things you don't want to let
out.
Chairperson Wilcox - While we are on windows, is there potentially an issue with not
wanting people to be able to peer into the facility?
Mr. Gilbert - Yes.
Chairperson Wilcox - Okay. That is sufficient for me. If I may, you mentioned... John
mentioned biological safety levels one through three. Couple minutes on what that
means or what they are just...) don't need excrutiatly technical detail.
Mr. Gilbert - Federal regulations divide infectious agents into levels one through four.
From the least dangerous to work with to the most dangerous to work with and
prescribe increasing levels of requirements for the physical facility, training of the staff
and the kinds of equipment and containment apparatus that is used to handle them. So
very briefly, level one is the kind of thing that might even be used in a biology high
school class. It is regarded as pretty safe for the people who are using it and it requires
levels of precaution that you would consider common sense, a sensible impervious
surface to work on, doors on the room you are working in, elementary personal
protection perhaps gloves and eyewear in some instances.
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Progressing to level two, which requires slightly more stringent physical facilities,
lockable doors, impervious surfaces that are readily cleaned, principle investigator or
laboratory director who is a skilled scientist, who is an experienced scientist who
assumes responsibility, who lays down written procedures, who is responsible for
insuring all of the employees are trained and comply with training and a slightly elevated
level of protection including eyewear and mandated lab jackets and disposable gloves
and so on.
Going to level three, which requires a fairly sophisticated level of building
management with air pressure control, making sure the air flows into building rather
than flows out of it, a two door barrier as you enter into it so that an interlocking so that
you cannot have both doors open at once into the building and completely impervious
surfaces all the way around, floor, walls, roof, ceiling of all the penetrations through the
walls so that those can be properly sterilized and cleaned and the interior of the building
can be fumigated. All the work surfaces have to be impervious. You are required the
use of biosafety cabinets. The air that leaves the unit has to be hepa filtered on the way
out. The biosafety cabinets, of course, are hepa filtered on the way in and out. Then
the scientist in charge requires a certain level of training and responsibility and is
responsible for creating for each laboratory within a unit, specific, laboratory specific
safety manuals and safety procedures, training the people, insuring and recording and
documenting at least annual. retraining of those individuals. Then there is personal
protective gear and although it is not required, our facility will allow a complete change
clothing in and out.
The kinds of organisms that we have projects involved at biosafety level three
include tuberculosis, west nile virus, for example. We are not proposing biosaftey level
four. That is the most dangerous kind of stuff, things like Ebola and rather scary things
that require complete isolation and further set of refinement of the procedural and
physical requirements for the facility.
Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you. Appreciate it. Scary stuff sometimes.
Board Member Mitrano — Interesting. I'm glad you asked I was thinking that.
Board Member Hoffmann — I have another question. In part four of the eaf there is talk
about the old building and demolition and what has to come away from the site before
the new building is_ built and it has become known that there is both asbestos and lead
based paint there. What is that building used for now?
Mr. Keefe —That building is currently used as an animal holding facility?
Board Member Hoffmann - And are those healthy animals or are they animals with
infectious deceases that are housed there now?
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Mr. Gilbert — Most predominately are healthy animals and are used mostly in studies of
physiology and other prohibitions without specific infectious disease studies. I speak
under correction. I don't believe there is any infectious disease study in that building at
the moment. Certainly there is no sophisticated level three -type work.
Board Member Hoffmann — The reason I ask the question is that you mention in talking
about how to dispose of the materials after the demolition that some of it might be
recycled and reused either on campus or some of them in the past the University has
permitted Ithaca Neighborhood Housing Services to salvage building materials from
buildings. My question was, are we sure that these building materials are going to be
safe to reuse for residential use.
Mr. Gilbert — I cannot speak to the asbestos and lead, I'll leave that to John, but
certainly from an infectious point of view these materials would be perfectly safe.
Mr. Keefe — The lead and asbestos would have to be abated before we did any
demolition, obviously.
Board Member Hoffmann — Because I wouldn't want to approve something that would
create problems down the line even though I think it is a good idea to reuse materials.
Board Member Mitrano — Are there Federal regulations that prevail with respect to some
of these materials such that would be an answer to your questions?
Mr. Keefe — Not other than asbestos and lead abatement.
Board Member Mitrano — In other words, the Federal regulations do take care of the
asbestos.
Mr. Keefe — Yes.
Board Member Hoffmann — Well, I think there are regulations about the lead -based
paint, too.
Mr. Keefe — Yes. Correct.
Board Member Hoffmann — And any of that would be taken care of before. it was taken
to a landfill as well?
Mr. Keefe — That is correct.
Attorney Barney — Well, asbestos goes to specified landfills, certified depositories to it.
It is basically gets bagged and your name gets put on it and its yours for life.
Board Member Hoffmann — As far as demolition, there is also the question of taking it
away from the site and you showed a map with truck routes and mentioned that 366
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would be the main route near the site, but what other routes leading to 366 would be
used? The map seems to indicate Pine Tree Road.
Mr. Keefe — The exact truck routes right now are unknown because we don't know
exactly which landfill the contractor will be taking the materials to. So what we would
have to do is have the mapped out once we come to that conclusion, probably in the
spring, and have that approved by your office before we utilize it.
Board Member Hoffmann — I am concerned that Pine Tree Road has been blackened
on this map. Pine Tree Road takes a lot of construction traffic and the residents who
live there are very much troubled by all the truck traffic that they have day and night and
I would be very interested to know what other alternative truck routes there might be for
this project.
Mr. Keefe — At the present time I do not know because I don't know which way the
material would be moving and how that is exactly going to be handled.
Board Member Conneman — Would that come back to this board?
Chairperson Wilcox — As drafted it would not come back to use. If we should get
passed the environmental review and get to the actual site plan review. The drafted
resolution concludes a provision that the director of engineering would make that
approval subject to whatever input we provide Dan Walker.
Board Member Mitrano — What -is the opportune moment for us to provide that?
Chairperson Wilcox — The opportune moment, I think, would be when we get to the site
plan review.
Board Member Mitrano — Because I would endorse what Eva suggested.
Chairperson Wilcox — Clearly we want the truck traffic to stay on state highways as
much as we can and limit the access and the travel across either county roads or town
roads, absolutely. There is no doubt about that and I'm sure the applicant is aware of
that. On the other hand, if the applicant is going to take material out 366, towards
Dryden, it is pretty easy to get from this site to 366. If, on the other hand, they are going
to take materials out Route 79 E and they have to get from there to Route 79 that is
where Pine Tree Road becomes an issue.
Board Member Mitrano — Well, there is Ellis Hollow. I mean there are some
alternatives.
Board Member Hoffmann — Well, Ellis Hollow is not the greatest route to take either, but
that is not mostly in the Town so I guess we can...as concerned about that, though
personally I feel that we have to be concerned about other communities as well.
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Board Member Mitrano — It is also not as heavily populated as Pine Tree,
Board Member Hoffmann — No. It probably isn't. So can you.. what typically happens?
What choices are there once it comes to you, Dan?
Mr. Walker Well, basically I look at the road situation and the ability of the road to
carry it. Basically county roads and state roads are meant for Intermunicipal traffic and
they are designed to carry weight of the trucks and have to be licensed for the weight
that they carry and they can't travel over roads or bridges that are not sufficient to
handle the weight. If they stay on the state routes, primarily our town roads such as
through Forest Home with one -lane bridges there are weight limitations and we wouldn't
want to send that kind of truck traffic through Forest Home. So we would prefer to see it
on the state routes, which is Route 366. If they are heading to the north probably the
most,. it might be a slightly longer distance, they are going to go out route 13 but they
can take route 366 directly to route 13. The other option is to take route 366 into
basically Mitchell ST and down. route 79 through the city and to route 13 in that
direction. There is a lot of heavy truck traffic that takes that route now.
Board Member Hoffmann — That is not a very happy solution either.
Mr. Walker— But those are state routes and they are designated as being sufficient for
vehicles that meet the state vehicle and traffic law for safety and containment as far as
materials and being...for the appropriate hazardous materials. So there is
really... basically I want to make sure that they stay, on the state road or major road and
not travel through Forest Home and dump it into the creek or something.
Board Member Conneman — You would include Pine Tree in that too, wouldn't you?
Mr. Walker - Pine Tree Road is a county road and it is meant to carry the heavier traffic.
Board Member Conneman — Well...
Mr. Walker — So it is rated as a connector road in the town by the Federal Highway
Transportation: That is why we get funding for that road to the county for maintenance
on it.
Board Member Mitrano — And we don't on Ellis Hollow?
Mr. Walker — Ellis Hollow is also a county road. I'd say Ellis Hollow is probably rated at
a lower capacity than Pine Tree is simply because of the connection between two state
roads.
Board Member Mitrano —Is great on Ellis Hollow? Right? Hmm...break it up a little bit.
Mr. Walker — Well, a lot of it depends on where they are going with it to the landfill.
Most of the material is probably going to head up to Seneca Meadows.
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Board Member Mitrano - Where is that?
Mr. Walker - That is up in Waterloo.
Board Member Mitrano - So they would take 89 or 96.
Mr. Walker - 969
Board Member Mitrano - Okay.
Board Member Hoffmann - That means it has to go through the City of Ithaca.
Mr. Walker - There are a lot of trucks that go through the City of Ithaca right now on
state routes. They would be limited to Seneca St and Green St basically on the routing
because that is route 79.
Board Member Conneman - But it is also true, isn't it that going from the airport to route
366 the state has maps to put through Forest Home. Isn't that right?
Mr. Walker - Maps to do what?
Board Member Conneman - The map of the access to route 366 is through Forest
Home, which is not true.
Mr. Walker - No. The principle route because... Forest Home is a very poor choice
because of the,, in the middle and the rating of the road is not as a connector road. It is
pretty much as a residential road. The actual preferred state route would be out 366 to
13, not through Forest Home. It is shorter to go through Forest Home or Free Road but
both of those situations are rough on trucks and they cannot make the turns. They are
both rated for weight so they are not supposed to travel on those roads.
Board Member Conneman - You have seen them in front of the Forest Home church
where they do get hung up occasionally.
Mr. Walker - There is a 10,000 pound weight limit in Forest Home except for normal
delivery. Occasionally truckers get lost and that is what their excuse is, but they are still
in violation of the...but some of those trucks...one of those trucks was actually
delivering to the water treatment plant, which is technically local unfortunately.
Board Member Hoffmann - Well I have some more questions unless someone else
wants to have a chance.
Chairperson Wilcox - Before we go on, do we have any idea of the ratio of trucks
removing demolition versus the number of trucks that would be bringing in building
materials? Just out of curiosity.
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Mr. Walker- Well the building that they are building is bigger than what they are taking
down.
Chairperson Wilcox - Yeah. I was just thinking here that consideration of the truck
traffic bringing in the building materials might be more important than the truck traffic
removing...
Mr. Walker - It will probably be spread out over a longer period of time simply because
demolition would probably take six weeks and construction would take two years. I
mean the heaviest construction traffic will be during foundation construction and
framing, you know, structural work.
Chairperson Wilcox - Eva, you had more questions.
Board Member Hoffmann - Okay. I read attachment seven about the biological safety
level policies and procedures for this level three facility and I think it sounds pretty good,
but I still have some questions. For instance, you talk about an independent contractor
will maintain and certify the cabinets to insure optimum performance and containment
and there was some talk about the hepa filters being used in various places and I've
heard of cases where a contractor comes in and takes care of those things, but they
don't necessarily, this is in the past probably, they didn't necessarily know much about
the safety precautions and the filters were disposed of in the regular trash. Will your
contractors who do this and deal with hepa filters that probably contain infectious agents
or similar things; will they be specially trained to do that?
Mr. Gilbert - What I can say is that we have a biosafety engineer employed by the
College Veterinary Medicine and so the interaction with such contractors would be by
him and people like him. So the supervision of the contractor is in the hands of
professional engineers whose specialty is biological safety. So I can't speak to the
training of the consultant or the external engineers, but they are supervised by Cornell
staff who do know what they are doing.
Michelle Bally, Cornell University
The companies that we use to certify the equipment that is all that they do. They are
specially trained companies that this is their business and they are certified.
Chairperson Wilcox - Since I have you on record, are you.. you are part of the Cornell
contingency here?
Ms. Baily - Yes.
Chairperson Wilcox - And your function is with Cornell?
Ms. Baily = I'm responsible for the animal care and use program.
Chairperson Wilcox - Thank you.
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Board Member Hoffmann — Yes, thank you. You know all of these things sort of form
chains of events and the chain is only as good as their weakest link. Sometimes there
is just a little tiny thing that doesn't work right and that's what made me think that
something like taking care of these filters might just break the chain. I think I read
somewhere that there would be inspections of the labs at certain intervals. Is that right?
To see that everything is going the way it should?
Mr. Gilbert — I'm not sure what you are referring to, but all the labs are inspected
periodically. If you referring specifically to the biolevel safety three, the biosafety level
three labs are periodically vacated and decontaminated completely no matter what is
going on. The daily use requires certain or frequently repeated daily decontamination of
work surfaces and so on. In addition to that, there are periodic vacation of the lab and
fumigation of the entire unit. So that happens on a regularly scheduled basis and the
work is interrupted to achieve that if necessary.
Board Member Hoffmann — And what happens if there is an accident and how are
accidents reported and to whom and how are they taken care of?
Mr. Gilbert — Well, the reporting possibly would depend on the nature of the accident. If
the accident involves an individual being bitten by an animal then they would report that
to a supervisor who would report it and channel it into our occupational health channels
and it would be handled that way. If it is a chemical spill, it gets reported by a
supervisor and eventually to environmental health and safety who ultimately are
responsible for certifying that a spill has been appropriately dealt with and handled and
so on. If it is a mechanical accident you are referring to, the engineering systems are
designed to fail -safe so that the failure of mode is such that it prevents the escape of an
agent or a spill. The Ym not sure if you have other examples of kinds of accidents you
foresee.
Board Member Hoffmann — No, I don't because I'm not in the
the field, but I am just imagining that accidents might happen
that something might accidentally escape the building ev
features and who would get involved. Is there some Federal
with such an accident or is it taken care of locally by the
department?
field. I'm not educated in
and my concern would be
en with all these safety
agency that gets involved
people who work in this
Mr. Gilbert — Again, it is difficult for. me. I'm not trying to evade the question at all. It's
difficult for me to speculate without knowing what you have in mind. The building,.Ahe
kinds of things that might escape. An escape of an animal is extraordinarily unlikely
since the animals are contained in a primary containment or a cage of some kind within
a room within all the barriers that John mentioned. So the unassisted escape of an
animal from a facility is an extraordinary remote possibility. Likewise the escape or
leakage of agents from the building...the only place where agents will be used that
would be of concern that are not ... biosafety level two agents can be used in rooms that
have open windows for example as long as they have a fly screen. So the only agents
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that are of concern from that point of view would be biosafety level three and there the
entire building is impervious. The surfaces of the biosafety level three rooms are
impervious and all of the components of the building that require penetration of the wall
by pipes or cables or whatever have to be sealed so that a spill is.. although the work is
meant to happen in a biosafety cabinet, assuming something fell out of that or an animal
fell out of that or some fluid spilled, it would still be contained within a room, which itself
is a barrier which room is also in a unit which is a barrier. So the possibility of an
inadvertent escape of an agent is extraordinarily small.
Board Member Hoffmann - And if. someone stepped in a spill.. well I don't want to go
too much into it, but I can imagine things happening. I have to trust that this is taken
care of I guess.
Board Member Mitrano - Are any of these agents what I understand are now being
called select agents under more recent Federal legislation?
Mr. Gilbert - Well, the select agents are different, a different classification from the
biosafety level classification. So the biosafety level classification is designed based on
the risk to the health of the people handling the organism and the potential surrounding
people. The select agents are those agents, both chemical and biological, who.. which
have potential for use in biological warfare or terrorism. So if they fall in a biosafety
category, the biosafety level regulations pertaining to that category still pertain, but in
addition the select agents are governed by very detailed and prescriptive regulations for
security. So there is biological safety and the shear security of making sure that select
agent material is not stolen principally and bluntly. In addition to the biosafety level
requirements, the access is more strictly controlled, single access is not allowed and an
individual may not go in there alone. Any individual going into the building or the select
agent unit requires approval on a one by one basis by the Federal government and only
those people may enter the room even the room within which the agent is kept in a
separate locked container. So the select agents are governed in a security way in
addition to the biological precautions.
Board Member Hoffmann - Good. I am glad to hear that. I will move on to more
mundane things.
Chairperson Wilcox - Before we move on, I want to stay here if I can just briefly. At the
vet school today, given the research that is done, what is the highest biological safety
level that is currently on campus?
Mr. Gilbert - The highest biosafety level currently is three and it is the two agents I gave
by way of example earlier and that is tuberculosis and west nile virus.
Chairperson Wilcox - And so there are areas today at the Vet school that operate under
biological safety level three.
Mr. Gilbert - Yes, sir.
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Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you. Eva?
Board Member Hoffmann - Yes. There was some mention of the construction workers
parking in some specified places, not right here, but'somewhere else. Where are they
going to park?
Mr. Keefe — We haven't identified where exactly the construction workers are going to
park at this point. What we did on a recent project that I managed is that the
supervisors were allowed to park in the vicinity of the building and the workers would
park remotely and then transported in and I assume in this workforce with the number of
people we have a possibility of having on at one time it would be the same principle.
Board Member Hoffmann — Where were they allowed to park remotely in the past?
Mr. Keefe — They parked at the Oxley Lot.
Chairperson Wilcox — The newly completed Oxley Lot right across from the Cornell
Heating and Cool plant, which I think we approved the changes a couple of years ago
and just recently finished. In fact, I think it was approved as a temporary lot as a
construction.. well it was one of the reasons given was temporary lot for construction
workers primarily on central campus where there is no parking.
Board Member Thayer — Exactly.
Chairperson Wilcox — That would be convenient sort of. It's pretty close. Eva, I'm sorry.
Floor is yours.
Board Member Hoffmann — Okay. There was some discussion about noise from the
exhaust system in front of the fans and this concerns me personally a little bit because
the new facility right near where I live, the new Baker Lab Addition on Hungerford Hill
Road, actually this past summer there was much more noise from those fans than I had
expected. So when I am outside in the summer I hear this high - pitched whine and it is
not pleasant. There aren't too many people living that close to the facility that you are
building and I suppose the people in Forest Home are the closest. Do you think that's
right and maybe it is shielded by other buildings from Forest Home, but I'm much more
aware that noise can be a problem than I was before the Baker Lab Addition with all
these modern fans.
Mr. Smith — I think the closest resident in Forest Home is about 1600.feet away and that
is in a.straight line down.
Board Member Hoffmann — I don't know how many feet I am away from the Baker Lab,
but I certainly hear it through a lot of trees. Is there any way that that kind of noise can
be...if it turns out to be heard where it is not supposed to heard, is there any way to
change that?
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Mr. Keefe — The only way you can change it is to put sound attenuators on it. They are
planned to be in the project as it is right now just because the nature of the veterinary
college. and the work is going on there. We don't want it too loud for the people working
there or teaching classes so we have a concern just from that perspective as well as
residents being 1600 feet away. So all the fans are going to be equipped with
attenuation devices, which will even further reduce it.
Chairperson Wilcox — Baffle the sound in some way?
Mr. Keefe — That is essentially what it does. These are strobic fans that are designed to
run very quietly anyway, but they are rather large and massive. So you can baffle the
sound as it comes out.
Board Member Hoffmann — The last question that I have for now is I was puzzled by the
lights that you are proposing that are called M1 along the road between the building and
the parking areas. They are sort of historic style lights and I'm wondering why you have
chosen such lights for this, which is a modern looking building.
Mr. Keefe — Well, they are basically the same lights used around Cornell, trying to
maintain the same appearance throughout the university, but one of the conditions on
there was to put cutoffs on them and we plan to do that also.
Board Member Hoffmann — It is also the style. I don't see any lights looking like the
ones in the drawing up in this area. All the other lights there are much more modern
looking so where on campus do they have these lights like you are proposing?
Mr. Keefe — Actually there are ones right there, unless I did a mistake in the submission.
Board Member Hoffmann — I didn't see them and I was just up there and the lights were
on. Are they right on this site you mean?
Mr. Keefe — Yes.
Board Member Hoffmann - How many are there? Could I have missed them?
Chairperson Wilcox — Roughly?
Mr. Keefe — I think there are six or eight because it is very, very little change. We are
going to move them out of the way and probably reuse them and put cutoffs on them
because it is a Cornell standard is.basically what is specified. Again,) might have put .
the wrong information in the packet, but I don't believe that I did.
Mr. Smith — I was going to correct myself on that. The lights that were shown in those
Ml's, the detail that was in there wasn't very clear and I thought the light bulb was
actually in the center of the fixture. I did some more research this afternoon and I
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couldn't match exactly this fixture, but I found the edge water ones with this same style
and it looks like it does have a cutoff on it with the way it is. So that condition may not
be necessary or it may need to be reworded to make sure what I found is what is being
proposed because it looks very similar.
Board Member Hoffmann — I am talking about this one, which has this more old
fashioned look.
Mr. Smith — Right and when I was Ic
centered in that piece and the ones
here, it actually shows the bulb up
would showed down. I'm not sure
There's two different versions of it,
sheet provided.
Joking at that, I was thinking the bulb was actually
that I found on the web instead of the bulb down
on the top area in the enclosed area and then it
if. that is what is being proposed exactly or not.
but the dimensions didn't match exact to the cut
Chairperson Wilcox — What is clear is the desire for cut -off.
Mr. Smith — And it looks like that style can do that very easily. I'm not sure if what is
proposed is that one or not.
Board Member Hoffmann — I am concerned about glare, but in this case I was puzzled
about the style as much as being concerned about that. I don't have any problem with
them putting on this style, I was just questioning the reason for it because it doesn't
seem to fit with the look of this particular part of campus. That's it for me for now.
Chairperson Wilcox — Mike, you all set? Any comments you want to add on the light
fixtures? Any other questions with regard to environmental review?
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004 -117: SEOR, Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval
and Special Permit, Cornell University East Campus Research Facility, Corner of
Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 63 =1 -2.2, 67 =1 -10.2
and 67 -140.3
MOTION made by Tracy Mitrano, seconded by Rod Howe,
WHEREAS.
1. This action involves consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval
and Special Permit for the proposed Cornell University East Campus Research
Facility located on the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No.'s 63- 1 -2.2, 67440.2 and 67440.3, Low Density Residential Zone..
Phase I of the proposal involves the construction of an approximately 80,000
square foot four -story building, with a possible Phase II four -story addition
consisting of 24,000 square feet. The facility will house animals used for
research and teaching and will be directly connected to the Veterinary Research
Tower. The project also includes the demolition of the existing one -story
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Laboratory Animal Services wing of the Veterinary Research Tower that currently
occupies the site. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; John M. Keefe, Agent,
and
2. This is a Type I Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has indicated
its intent to act as Lead Agency in a coordinated environmental review with
respect to Site Plan Approval, Special Permit, and the Height Variance, and
3. The Planning Board, on November 16, 2004, has reviewed and accepted as
adequate a Full Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the
applicant, and a Part II prepared by Town Planning Staff, two bound packets
containing plans, details, and other information titled "East Campus Research
Facility - Preliminary Site Plan Review" and "East Campus Research Facility -
Long Environmental Assessment Form" date stamped Oct. 12, 2004, prepared
by Cornell University and other application material, and
49 The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of
environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval,
Special Permit, and Height Variance;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED;
That the Town. of Ithaca Planning Board, having received no objections from
other Involved Agencies, hereby establishes itself as Lead Agency to coordinate the
environmental review of the above - described actions;
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
That the Town. of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of
environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental
Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and therefore, an
Environmental Impact Statement will not be required, and that a notice of this
determination will be duly filed and published pursuant to the provision_ s of 6 NYCRR
Part 617.12.
The vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Thayer, Howe.
NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 8:24 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and
Special Permit for the proposed Cornell University East Campus Research
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Facility located on the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No.'s 63 =1 -2.2, 67 =1 -10.2 and 67 =1 -10.3, Low Density Residential Zone.
Phase I of the proposal involves the construction of an approximately 80,000
square foot four -story building, with a possible Phase II four -story addition
consisting of 24,000 square feet. The facility will house animals used for
research and teaching and will be directly connected to the Veterinary Research
Tower. The project will require the demolition of the existing one -story
Laboratory Animal Services wing of the Veterinary Research Tower that currently
occupies the site. Cornell University, Owner /Applicants John M. Keefe, Agent.
Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 8:25 p.m. and asked members of the
board if they had any questions on the site plan:
Mr. Keefe — I just have one comment, perhaps it was a misinterpretation on my part:
We originally desired to do preliminary site plan review for phase I and II and then
obviously you thought the documents were good enough to do a final on phase I, is that
still what we are looking at? I think we would still like to pursue preliminary on phase II
so when we come back later if we need. an extension or something like that...
Chairperson Wilcox — Do me a favor, repeat it but change the words. What would you
like to walk away with?
Mr. Keefe — I would like to walk away with preliminary site plan approval for phase I and
II and final for phase I.
Board Member Hoffmann — But you haven't given us...
Chairperson Wilcox — Do we have anything that would allow us to give preliminary
approval for phase II?
Mr. Smith — I think the material of the seqr, all the material would be adequate if the
board judges it that way. From what I was looking at it was for one and two, but I think if
you grant preliminary approval that final approval has to be granted within 18 months or
something like that, I believe is the timeframe.
Chairperson Wilcox — In
addition,
many
of the drawings that we have looked have not
included phase II, some
have and
some
have not.
Mr. Smith — The majority of the pieces included both pieces.
Chairperson Wilcox — Shirley, do you want to speak to either one of them or to us?
Shirley Egan, Cornell University Counsel's Office
The reason of course that a party applies for preliminary approval for a second phase is
so that they know that they have it. If there was any remote chance that we could not
get approval at a later date of the second phase we would certainly need to rethink what
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we have presented to you here today because having the ability to build this addition if
we have the money and the need at a later date is very key to this project. So that was
the reason that we applied for both. We are more than happy to come back and ask for
an extension or perhaps given that we anticipate at least at this moment that we won't
be coming to you for a final approval of phase II within the normal time periods in your
statute perhaps even the terms of preliminary approval could right now extend that
period of time that it would be good for. Otherwise, we're happy to come back and get
extensions at a later time, but it is important to us to have the preliminary approval of
the second phase of that. We have designed it. We have presented the materials on it
and it is just something that I assumed was .going to be considered tonight and hearing
Mike talk this evening was the first that I knew that that was somehow what was not
going to be presented to the board. We certainly thought it was being presented and do
think it is vital interest to go ahead and have that portion approved tonight.
Board Member Mitrano — Well, it does have in the proposed resolution, under paragraph
1 of the whereas...
Chairperson Wilcox — Can we step back for a second? Lets first look at the public
hearing notice that was provided.
Mr. Kanter — There should be no problem with that. And the seqr resolution definitely
included phase II in terms of the environmental review.
Chairperson Wilcox - Yes.
Board Member Hoffmann — Well, I just want to be sure because I thought somewhere in
the text that it said that you didn't know how the phase II building was going to be used
because you didn't' know when it was going to be happening in the future and that you
wanted to build a state -of- the -art building now, but then maybe the next phase would be
the next "state -of — the -arf' with different kinds of...and things like that. Maybe it would
be a level four - security building.
Mr. Gilbert — No. It couldn't comply with the requirements for level four. The extension
wouldn't even involve the level three unit, which is contained well within the building and
not near its boundary. The envisioned extension is simply the addition of one animal
suite for three floors. If there were major changes in the state of the art they would be in
internal fixtures and things like that, but the building systems are designed and
contemplated to accommodate a simple extension whose shape and layout is really
determined now and is determined by the architects to be complied with safety and fire
codes and so forth. So there would be no substantial difference. I could anticipate if
there was a long delay of 10 or 15 years that there might be enhancements in the,
internal furniture or something like that, but I would expect that is the limit of the
advance that we could accommodate between now and then.
Chairperson Wilcox — Mr. Barney, comments?
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Attorney Barney - Well, actually I would like to look at the Town Law because it is not
really in our zoning ordinance that governs I think the phasing, I think it is the Town law
itself. My only concern is that we are looking at seqr as it applies to this phase I
proposal while technically the seqr resolution could be drawn, I think, to cover both.
get a little bit concerned where we have had the experience in the past where we make
a seqr determination and then rules change in the seqr or the circumstances change,
our review changes and that sort of thing and whether we want to be locked into a seqr
determination for something we know. ..right now. ..its really your call.. I'm not sure that
it is a legal issue.
Board Member Thayer - They would have to come back for an extension, however,
right?
Attorney Barney - That's why I want to take
months, but I'm not quite sure how it works.
that so if you could give me five minutes
months I would have a little bit of concern.
a look at the Town Law. I think it says 18
I, quite frankly, wasn't prepared to react to
:o be more prepared...even if it were 18
Board Member Mitrano - And if things change, John, are they generally laws with which
they would have to comply anyway?
Attorney Barney - Well it has always raised an interesting question because you have
granted seqr approval, you have done the environmental review and found no
significant environmental,, adverse significant environmental impacts today and we are
now looking at a project four years from now, which comes in and are the rules still the
same. What has gone on in the area surrounding it? What other construction has
traffic situations? As a matter of practice, I am not comfortable seeing us really
expanding too much beyond what is proposed for the immediate building. I understand
Shirley's concern to some extent, but that is a concern when anybody comes in.
Board Member Mitrano - So there is nothing about approving the seqr at this time that
would exempt them from complying with new environmental regulations?
Attorney Barney - I'm not too sure that is true.
Board Member Mitrano - I think that might be a very pertinent to ask that. In other
words, we wouldn't want to be grand fathering things that we don't even know might
exist.
Mr. Kanter - I think from the staff's standpoint, there was such an amount of detail for
the phase I project that we were prepared to recommend preliminary and final approval
to the board at one meeting as were are now considering. It really would not be that
much extra for Cornell to come back in with this phase II, which is only a smaller portion
of this same type of facility and do the same thing pretty much in one meeting if the
same kind of information were put together.
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Board Member Thayer - Give them preliminary and final at that point.
Mr. Kanter - Right.
Board Member Mitrano - That sounds appropriate.
Board Member Thayer - ,Makes sense. to me.
Board Member Hoffmann - But that still wouldn't deal with what John was just talking
about.
Mr. Kanter - It would because they would be presenting a whole new application to the
board.
Attorney Barney - At the time when they were ready to basically build.
Mr. Kanter - And again, it was our comfort level with the unspecified timeframe of phase
II, which is why we...
Board Member Hoffmann - I see what you are saying. I actually was a little confused
when we voted on the seqr because in my conversation earlier in. the evening I had
understood that we were only talking about phase I so I forgot that this actually said
phase [I.
Attorney Barney - I said possibly. I mean I think it needs to be clarified one way or
another whether you are granting or making a seqr determination with respect to both
phases, not a possible. I'm sorry I didn't catch that when you were doing the resolution.
Board Member Hoffmann - Yeah, and I didn't either and I should have since I talked
about it.
Ms. Egan - I think we went to some pains to disclose in the leaf of everything about
phase I and phase II. I think we very distinctly answered some questions in double
format to say this was phase I and this was phase II. It seems to me that there is
protection for this sort of thing that you, John, were concerned about in just our having
to come back for extensions of that because at that point in time you could assess then
had something so radically changed that you no longer wanted to grant the extension to
it. And this is perhaps more a theoretical concern on my part, but my concern is at the
outset if there were some objection right up front to giving preliminary approval to phase
II of it, we would certainly want to know that right now.
Attorney Barney - I don't think anybody here is expressing an objection, but on the
other hand there might be an objection four years from now depending on what
the,, what my concern is that we might have a very strong disagreement three years
from now if preliminary were granted and the board at that point in time said we think
there has been sufficient change in circumstances and we don't think we want to extend
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it and Cornell taking the position that the refusal to extent is arbitrary and capricious and
makes the lawyers warm up because we are now into a confrontation in the courts
which takes a lot. time and earns a lot of money. I'm not comfortable with putting the
board in a position where we are precommitting to a particular action, not really having it
ready to be built today. By saying that, I don't think there is any sense and I haven't
heard any sense at all in the discussion tonight that there is any problem with getting it
or problem with doing it, but to ask them to commit today something that you are telling
us that won't happen for at least 18 months and maybe an extension beyond 18 months
for 2, 39 49 5 or 10 years. That's a little unfair to put the board in that kind of a position.
Ms. Egan - I understand what you are saying, but I guess I feel it is unfair for us to have
gone to the effort of having designed a second phase one which is very important to us
to have had the capacity to expand on this site from this building if there were a thought
that for some reason we couldn't build phase II here we might not have built phase I
because it is that important to us to be able expand by this one little bay.
Attorney Barney - Why don't you build it now?
Ms. Egan - Money.
Attorney Barney - There is an impediment to your building that is probably far .more
significant than this board and that is dollars, but on the other hand you are saying
because we have this impediment of dollars we don't know whether we can build now or
ten years from now, we would still like you to commit that you are going to approve
whatever we bring in at some time in the future when we don't know as a board and
really you don't know perhaps at Cornell what the future may bring in terms of other
opportunities in that vicinity that may or may not impact the outcome of this building.
Ms. Egan - Well, I guess I've missed something here. I seems to me that I see all the
time developers having a phase I and a phase II of a project and it is important for you
to see what the full build out is and that is why builders are encouraged to present what
their phase II plan is. We thought we were doing the forthcoming and good thing here.
It was also important for us because if for any reason that phase II would not have been
acceptable to you we really need to know it tonight, not next month or next year. Like I
said, it may be theoretical, its not that I've heard you voice objection to it and say well
we would only approve a building this size, but note we would never approve one that
was 24,000 square feet larger. But it is. none the less a very important aspect of this
site and of this building that we have at least the preliminary indication and I think that
we understand with not being able to give you a time frame that we may be taking our
chances if we push that out asking for multiple extensions and maybe we are talking ten
years from now, but we may not be. We may only be back here in 17.5 months asking
for it and that is why we are asking you for the preliminary approval of phase II if not
tonight then at least next month.
Board Member Hoffmann - But what about if you in fact bring in not just the floor plan,
that is assuming the floor plan is the same on three levels now. If its not, there needs to
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be different floor plans, but also the elevations showing that addition since you seem to
have it.
Mr. Keefe — That was provided in the site plan review packet.
Board Member Hoffmann — It was? And also a statement saying that whatever is going
to go on in the first phase of this or whatever is going to go on in the second phase is
going to be the same kind. of thing that goes on in the first phase and then that is
approved and then maybe the university has to take a chance that if that is not in fact
what is wanted at the time when this construction is planned for when you get the
money then you would anyway have to come in with a change.
Ms. Egan — We are willing to take that change. Obviously, we are not great predictors
of the future, but we submitted everything we do know about the second phase, which is
that it is just like the first phase. That b13 won't be in it. The floor plans will be . the
same. It is literally just another bay, exactly as designed and I think all our materials
were submitted to show that, both in the leaf and site plan application. It is just like
another unit of the same thing that is there and I do have to say that I apologize, Eva. It
was the first that I heard tonight that there had been some kind of a shift and I think
perhaps John did not understand the significance. I guess Mike must have called you
last Friday and I didn't hear about it until this evening and maybe the importance of that
shift wasn't fully appreciated on all sides, but I think we certainly set out to...
Mr. Kanter — Talking about phasing, I'm thinking of the Conifer Linderman Creek site
plan. The way we handled that is sort of an in- between approach. Its not an either or.
The seqr is actually going to be looking at the whole development build -out of the
property, but the approvals are going to be phase by phase and the sketch plan, which
was done for this project as well, is the place where the conceptual understanding of the
entire project first occurs. Staff actually was recommending that the phase I and II of
this project be included in the seqr review because we felt there was sufficient
information in the materials to be able to make a determination on both phases and that
believe is what the resolution did. If that is an issue you need to discuss further you
can do that, but I believe that is what that seqr resolution at least was from the staff's
perspective. What would happen then is if you granted approval for phase I tonight but
not for phase II it would be a very simple matter of a new application coming in for
phase II where the seqr determination could be revisited very quickly to make sure there
was nothing different from what we did in the first seqr and it would basically be a
reaffirmation of the seqr determination. Really a very straightforward thing. I think by
keeping phase II in the seqr is to some degree giving Cornell the assurance that those
things have been looked at for phase II and have been recognized by this board as
being acceptable to the degree of the information was available, but coming back in with.
the application for approval of phase II as a separate approval would allow the board to
revisit and make sure all those things were still okay.
Board Member Hoffmann — And you are meaning for the phase II site plan approval to
come in at the time when that phase is going to be built?
Mr. Kanter —Yes,
that determination
would be okay its
uncertain,
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or at the time where sufficient detail is available to the board to make
If Cornell wanted to go that step and bring it in next month that
just that it doesn't make sense to me to do that if the timing is so
Board Member Hoffmann — Can I just ask where are the drawings that show the
addition in the drawings that we got for phase II? 1 mean I see drawings that show the
footprint, but I don't see anything that shows the elevation.
Mr. Keefe gave the sheet details (not audible).
Board Member Hoffmann — I still don't understand this because there is a little key that
shows in the corner here what it covers and that looks just like it. does on that drawing
and it doesn't seem to indicate the extension for the phase II.
Mr. Keefe not audible.
Board Member Hoffmann — This is the west elevation. I will have to compare it with the
other elevation. Well, I guess it seemed to me just so sketchy that I didn't think that
those were the drawings. So part of it is a three story expansion and part is a... .
Mr. Keefe m- It is all a four story. What you are seeing is the window corridor.
Mr. Gilbert — Three stories of animal accommodation and a mechanical suite on top.
Mr. Keefe — The construction drawings we provided really even show how we are
accommodating adding on this expansion by providing a system of moving the louvers
and also providing a double footing at the bottom.
Chairperson Wilcox — Let me get a sense of the board here at this point.., how you
would like to proceed at this point.
Board Member Mitrano — I like Jonathan's idea.
Board Member Thayer — I do, too.
Board Member Howe — Makes sense to me.
Attorney Barney — If you do that, I would really like to see built into the resolution a very
clear statement that you reserve the right to review that seqr determination at such time
the application comes in for approval. My concern, Jon and I are usually on the same
page and occasionally we may be half a page a part and I think this is one of those
occasions because my concern of the seqr review is that once you have done that you
have really dealt with the very same issues that you have to deal with in doing the site
plan and special permit approval. If you look at those, those are really by and large
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environmental kinds of determinations so once you make a determination on a seqr you
are in effect binding yourself pretty much on subsequent actions.. Jt really ought to state
that is really done as of today urider the circumstances available today, reserving the
right to review that seqr determination at such time when an application for formal
approval is submitted for phase ll.
Chairperson Wilcox — John, can I ask you a question? If our environmental review only
looked at phase I and phase II at all, we would potentially have an issue of
segmentation, so it is probably a good thing that we looked at the entire proposed
project.
Attorney Barney - Absolutely and I'm not suggesting that ... as with Linderman Creek
you want to see what the layout of the land is and what the whole area is going to be,
but you obviously focus on the phase that is immediately in front of you, but you want to
get a little bit of an idea of what other activities are going to occur .in the vicinity
particularly if they are known: So that is part of your seqr requirements, but it doesn't
necessarily mean that you have to give seqr approval for the entire project. You
basically give it with respect to what is proposed.
Board Member Mitrano — John, how procedurally would you like to move? Would this
be in addition to the site plan or do you want us to make an amendment to the seqr that
we just approved?
Attorney Barney — I think what probably what you would do is amend the seqr and say
we are approving.phase I and II to the extent that you have the information in front of
you and reserving the right...make it clear that that is what you have done because
quite frankly didn't pick up on it. My mental set has been phase I throughout this so I
apologize.
Board Member Mitrano — Is it all right if I ask the applicant if your amendment would be
acceptable to them?
Attorney Barney - Sure.
Board Member Mitrano - Is John's amendment acceptable to the applicant?
Mr. Kanter - And actually I don't disagree wift John at all.
Board Member Mitrano - Yeah. This all seems reasonable. I just want to be sure...
Ms. Egan — Yes it is acceptable and I think it is something that Cornell would expect to
be subject to at a future time if there are changes in circumstances at the time. It's still
a final approval even if you were granting us preliminary today. And I think seqr
plentifully allows for changes that have occurred in the interim to be revisited. This is
based on that set of assumptions that we disclosed to you now and they could be
different at a future time. So the answer is yes.
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Board Member Mitrano — Excellent. Thank you. So it looks like we have a resolution.
Chairperson Wilcox - We need to readdress SEAR. The public hearing has been
opened but not held yet, is that OK?
Attorney. Barney - You probably just ought to put back and revisit the SEQR and then
go on.
Board Member Mitrano - Yes, that sounds right to me.
Chairperson Wilcox - Correct, OK, so what do I need? I need a motion...
Attorney Barney - To reconsider the SEQR resolution and hopefully by the time it's
passed, I'll have something for you...
Chairperson Wilcox - OK. OK.
determination. Seconded by?
Board Member Thayer - Second.
I will move the motion to reconsider the SEQR
Chairperson Wilcox = Larry Thayer. George, you were going to say something?
Board Member Conneman - No, I was worried. about the public hearing and the
resolution.
Chairperson Wilcox - OK. All those in favor please signal by saying aye. Anybody
opposed? And there are no abstentions. OK.
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004 =118: Reconsideration of SEQR, Preliminary and Final
Site Plan Approval and Special Permit, Cornell University East Campus Research
MOTION made by Fred Wilcox, seconded by Larry Thayer.
BE IT RESOLVED, that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca reconsiders the
Motion for SEQR, Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and Special Permit, Cornell
University East Campus Research Facility, Corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town
of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 63- 1 -2.2, 67-1 -10.2 and 67 -1 -10.3, , and be it further
RESOLVED, that PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004 -117 is hereby rescinded.
The vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES. Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Thayer, Howe.
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NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Wilcox = Having said that, Mr. Barney is busily drafting a revised SEQR
motion. If we make him write too quickly then he can't read his own handwriting.
[long pause]
Chairperson Wilcox - Please bear with us.
Attorney Barney - Alright. I'll have to write this clearer for Carrie before we're done, but
hopefully it would be something like this ... leaving your first resolution as you adopted it
except modifying it where it says quality review act for phase I of the above referenced
action is proposed and leaving the rest of it [inaudible]. And further resolved that the
Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination of
environmental significance in accordance with NY state environmental quality review act
for phase II of the above project as proposed, based on circumstances existing today,
reserving to the Town Planning Board the right to reconsider this determination in such
time as an application for preliminary and /or final approval for phase II is submitted.
Chairperson Wilcox - So moved by the chair.
Board Member Conneman - Second.
Chairperson Wilcox - Seconded by George Conneman. Discussion? All those in favor
signify by saying aye. Anybody opposed? Nobody opposed, very good.. OK. Back to
the site plans. What I hear from the straw poll was preliminary and final tonight for
phase I only. That was everybody's comfort level. OK. And, you are welcome to come
back when you want, whether that's next month or the month after or in 18 months or in
2 years, and come back and formally apply for phase II. I do need to give the public a
chance to speak, so if gentlemen, you want to take a seat, take your materials with you.
Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for waiting patiently, this is a public hearing. If
you would like to address the planning board this evening on this particular agenda
item, then we ask you to please step to the microphone, again we will ask for your name
and address, and we will be very interested to hear what you have to say. I can't see
behind, is there anyone raising their hand back there that I can't see? Is everybody an
employee of Cornell University? There being no one, I will close the public hearing at
9:02 and bring the matter back to the board.
Chairperson Wilcox closes the public hearing at 9:02 p.m.
Chairperson Wilcox = John Barney, have you looked at the proposed resolution? Would
you take a quick look at the proposed resolution granting preliminary and final just to
make sure that we are consistent. Yeah, and in fact I see, under the whereas, I see,
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we've got to make sure that references to possible phase II are either appropriate to
leave in or removed as appropriate. OK. John, you've clearly seen this resolution as
drafted and are aware of the conditions that were included?
Mr. Keefe - Yes.
Chairperson Wilcox - OK, no issue?
Mr. Keefe - No.
Board Member Conneman - I would like to make some sort of amendment to E, which
says "trucking routes, both in and out In my view, there is no reason, and I have great
faith in the town engineer, the director of engineering, to do the right thing, but we
strengthen his had if we put some limitation in this. For example, there is no reason to
go from route 79 up Pine Tree road where you can go if you're coming from Binghamton
or something where you can go to Richford and then take route 38 into Dryden and then
go up 366, and there are lots of ways that I think we ought to protect Forest Home and
Pine Tree Road. That's my view, because I think those are neighborhoods.and we can
avoid trucking stuff out or in it would be very helpful.
Board Member Mitrano - I'm confused...
Mr. Kanter - Forest Home is protected by virtue of the truck limitations, but Pine Tree
Road again, we would be hesitant to recommend that the board put limitations on Pine
Tree Road, recognizing that it is, there are residences along it, but it is a county road
and it is basically an important connector road between 79 and campus. It would
depend very much on where the trucks are coming from.
Board Member Conneman - I realize that.
Mr. Kanter - But I think I would be hesitant myself to recommend that the board go
ahead with any strict prohibition of trucks.
Board Member Conneman - I believe in neighborhoods and I think this is just...
Mr. Kanter - But anywhere else you go, you're probably going to impact a different
neighborhood, so...
Board Member Conneman - Well, if you come in from 79 and go to 38 and then to 366
and 13, then you're...
Mr. Kanter - And then where are you going through? Varna. That's another
neighborhood, it doesn't happen to be in the Town of Ithaca though.
Board Member Conneman : You're going through Varna? No, I don't think so.
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Mr. Kanter - 366 goes right smack through Varna.
Board Member Conneman - That's true.
Mr. Kanter - So no matter what route you use, you're going to have some neighborhood
impacted to some degree, and so I think rather than put a limitation on one, you want to
try to spread it out and around as much as ,you can. And I think that's what Dan was
saying is that's the kind of things he looks at when he looks at. these routing plans.
Board Member Mitrano - That'd be preferable. Some plans spreading it out, so that
there isn't one neighborhood that is consistently and always impacted.
Board Member Conneman - Well, I just think that Pine Tree Road needs to be
protected.
Board Member Hoffman - Is there some other wording to put in there, maybe to
encourage, what was the word you used?
[Comments inaudible]
Board Member Mitrano - Diversify, excellent.
[Comments inaudible]
Chairperson Wilcox - And then we want to pass along the recommendation that the
heavy truck traffic be distributed...
Attorney Barney - Well, you're equalizing the flow of heavy truck traffic through the
neighborhoods.
Board Member Mitrano - I'm in favor of that.
Board Member.Conneman - I'd just like to strengthen Dan's hand so that he has the
opportunity to do something.
Chairperson Wilcox - Do we like to term minimize the impact on neighborhoods, to the
extent feasible.
Board Member Mitrano - Sure, sounds good.
Chairperson Wilcox - OK. Would someone like to move the motion as drafted?
Board Member Thayer - I will move it.
Chairperson Wilcox - So moved by Larry Thayer.
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Board Member Howe - Second.
Chairperson Wilcox - Seconded by Rod Howe.
Chairperson Wilcox - OK. We agree. Sorry, Larry and Rod, you agree to changing E to
add the words "with approval by the director of engineering..."
Attorney Barney - I would just add at the end "such plans will be designed to minimize
to the extent feasible, impacts on neighborhoods ".
Chairperson Wilcox - That's acceptable.
Attorney Barney - residential neighborhoods.
Chairperson Wilcox - Yes, you're right. The resolution is fine as drafted? Or nothing
needs to be changed with regard to the phasing language.
Mr. Kanter - And in F on the lighting plan, is that OK to leave it? Not cut off.
Board Member Thayer - How about number 1 where it has the possible phase II?
Mr. Barney - It is a possible phase II. With legality in the whereas, but the resolution
only applies to,phase I.
Chairperson Wilcox - OK. All set Mike, anything else you want to say?
Mr. Smith - I think the lighting condition can be left and just clarify what kind of lighting is
proposed...
Chairperson Wilcox - And they're aware of the fact that we want something that cuts
light off appropriately and if this particular style does that, which would be kind of
interesting, given it's design. If it can do that at the same time as looking a lot nicer than
your typical ugly parking lot fixtures, that would be very nice.
Board Member Thayer - It should say "cut off" rather than "cur off".
Chairperson Wilcox - Yes, we got that little typo. OK, anything else Mike, you're all set?
Any other discussion, comments? There being none, all those in favor, please signify
by saying aye. All those opposed? Nobody's opposed. The motion is passed. Thank
you all very much.
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2004 -120: Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and
Special Permit, Cornell University East Campus Research Facility, Corner of
Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 63- 1 -2.2, 67 =1 -10.2
and 67 =1 -10.3
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MOTION made by Larry Thayer, seconded by Rod Howe.
WHEREAS:
16 This action involves consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval
and Special Permit for the proposed Cornell University East Campus Research
Facility located on the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No.'s 63- 1 -2.2, 67440.2 and 67440.3, Low Density Residential Zone,
Phase I of the proposal involves the construction of an approximately 80,000
square foot four -story building, with a possible Phase ll four -story addition
consisting of 24,000 square feet. The facility will house animals used for
research and teaching and will be directly connected to the Veterinary Research
Tower. The project also includes the demolition of the existing one -story
Laboratory Animal Services wing of the Veterinary Tower that currently
occupies the site. Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; John M. Keefe, Agent,
and
26 This is a Type I Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as
lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval, Special
Permit, and a Height Variance, has, on November 16, 2004, made a negative
determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted
as adequate a Full Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the
applicant, and a Part II prepared by Town Planning staff, and
3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on November 16, 2004, has
reviewed and accepted as adequate, two bound packets containing plans,
details, and other information titled "East Campus Research Facility" Preliminary-
Site Plan Review" and "East Campus Research Facility - Long Environmental
Assessment Form'; date stamped Oct. 12, 2004, prepared by Cornell University,
and other application material, and .
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
1. That the Planning Board hereby grants Special Permit for the construction of the
Cornell University East Campus. Research Facility, finding: that the standards of
Section 270 -200, Subsections A -L, of the Town of Ithaca Code, have been met.
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
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1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site
Plan Approval for Phase I of the proposed Cornell University East Campus
Research Facility located at the corner of Tower and Campus Roads, Tax Parcel
No.'s 634-2.2, 674-10.2 and 67 -1 -10.3, which. includes the demolition of the
241000 +/- Laboratory Animal Services building and the construction of the
80,000 +/- sq. ft. building and associated parking, landscaping, lighting, and other
site work, as shown in the two bound packets containing plans, details, and other
information titled "East Campus Research Facility - Preliminary Site Plan Review"
and "East Campus Research Facility - Long Environmental Assessment Form';
date stamped Oct. 12, 2004, prepared by Cornell University, subject to the
following conditions:
a. submission of an original of the final site plan on mylar, vellum or paper, to
be retained by the Town of Ithaca, prior to the issuance of a building
permit, and
be submission of record of application for and approval status of all
necessary permits from county, state, and %r federal agencies, including
but not limited to the Notice of Intent and Pollution Prevention Plan for
NYSDEC, prior to the issuance of a building permit, and
ca the granting of the height variance by the Zoning Board of Appeals, prior
to issuance of a building permit, and
d, revision of "Topographic Map" plan ( "Topographic Survey', TS100), to
include the name and seal of the registered land surveyor or engineer who
prepared the topographic survey, prior to the issuance of a building permit,
and
e. submission of a truck routing plan including the landfill destinations for the
demolition material from the Laboratory Animal Services building for
review and approval by the Director of Engineering, prior to the issuance
of a demolition permit, such plan to be designed to minimize to the extent
feasible heavy truck traffic in residential. neighborhoods, and
f. revision of the Lighting Plan (LP01) to include cut -off fixtures on the eight
pole lights (Labeled M1 on Sheet LP01) to minimize glare and light
spillage on surrounding areas, prior to the issuance of a building permit.
The vote on the motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Conneman, Mitrano, Thayer, Howe.
NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
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Agenda Item: Persons to be heard.
Chairperson Wilcox- Persons to be heard. I'm going to move through the rest of this
quickly.. No persons to be heard. The minutes, the minutes were handed out tonight,
so they will be approved at the next meeting.
Agenda Item: Other business.
Chairperson Wilcox - Other business. Some of you may remember Keith McNeill who
spoke a couple of meetings ago. He sent me a nice letter thanking us for allowing him
to speak at the beginning of the meeting with Persons to be heard rather than at the end
with the Linderman Creek thing. So that was very nice.
Chairperson Wilcox - I have two, John just handed me tonight, I have two letters from
Christiann Dean about the hotel... Country Inn and Suites, sorry.
Board Member Conneman - Let me ask you a question. The question is, should Harry
Ellsworth exclude himself from being involved in this.
Chairperson Wilcox - Not my decision. I don't know.the details.
Board Member Conneman - Theoretically, if he were Mr. Auble's engineer, would he be
excluded?
Chairperson Wilcox - I don't know the details. You know what? Christiann Dean has
written a letter, which says that she wants to alert Jonathan Kanter; it's addressed to
Jonathan Kanter, of a conflict of interest, which exists with a member of the Board of
Zoning Appeals. That's for that member and the Board of Zoning Appeals to determine,
and I'm not going to weigh in. I have one person's side on this; I don't have the other
person's side on this.
Mr. Kanter - Right, it also deals with the Zoning Board, which I'm not directly involved in,
so I passed that on to Andy Frost. Of course, John Barney deals with the Zoning Board
as well as the Planning Board, so if the issue comes up...
Chairperson Wilcox - He'll take it up.
Board Member Conneman - That was my real question.
Chairperson Wilcox - Did you get a copy of this one? It says Ed. OK, and then the
other one is addressed to me saying the Country Inn and Suites proposal was approved.
by the Planning Board with mixed feelings about it's impact on the neighborhood. I ask
that it be sent on only with the caveat that Mr. Auble be required to restrict construction
trucks to Danby Road, keeping off West King. Also when you refer the Country Inn and
Suites proposal to the ZBA, please note that ZBA member dot, dot, dot. The conflict.
We've already referred it onto the ZBA, but she makes a good point, that when they
come back for final, that is something that we ca n
the routing of the trucks. But we've already made
ZBA. All right, Jon, do you have any small items
get to the other one?
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address as part of final, in terms of
our... we've already sent it onto the
under other business, and then we'll
Mr. Kanter - Only that we're going to be putting a couple of resolutions before the board,
probably at the December 7t" meeting, one of which will be the 05 meeting schedule,
and .if it's OK with the board to just continue the first and third Tuesday as we've done.
So, we'll put that before the board and then a couple of other business resolutions might
be on that agenda.
Chairperson Wilcox - Back to me?
Board Member Thayer - It is possible to change or omit Election Day ?.
Mr. Kanter - Interestingly enough, in 05, Election Day, this is the only year I've ever
seen this, does not come on the first Tuesday. It's the second Tuesday.
Chairperson Wilcox - Is there a funny rule about Election Day?
Mr. Kanter - There must be. Something about the first Tuesday after the first Monday.
Chairperson Wilcox - But the answer is yes, we as a board, did not want to, and a
previous board, a previous incarnation of this board, did exclude Election Day. So for
05 we could do the same, but apparently it's not an issue. Now, the other business item
I'd like to bring before this board is I'd like to cancel the 12/21 meeting.
Mr. Kanter - Sounds good to me.
Chairperson Wilcox - I didn't think there'd be a lot of... And the only reason is, it's
Christmas week. Now, in doing that, I set off a change of events, which resulted in a
conversation, a couple of voice mails and a conversation. With regard to end of year
resolutions, that moves some of them up to the 7t ". Such as a recommendation to
Town Board on Chair for next year, would have to be moved up to the 7t" instead of the
21 st.
Mr. Kanter - I was thinking of doing that anyway.
Chairperson Wilcox - That's one thing. The other issues were things that were originally
scheduled for the 21St meeting. In my conversation with Jon, he felt comfortable on the
phone that most of the items could be pushed back to the 7t ", or pushed off to the New
Year, except for one. And that was Wally Wiggins and La Tourelle.
Board Member Mitrano - Just a final site plan?
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Chairperson Wilcox - Right. Now, do we really think that if he gets approval on
December 21St that it's going to be any different than if he gets approval on January 7tH
To him, yeah, to him. Is he really going to be able to start construction two weeks
earlier around Christmas or January?
Board Member Thayer - I wouldn't think so.
Board Member Mitrano - I'm OK with postponing it.
Mr. Kanter - Although, Mr. Wiggins has basically said that as soon as he gets approval,
he plans to put the shovel in the ground the next day, basically. For whatever that's
worth.
Board Member Conneman - What is the date for the first meeting in January, Jon?
Mr. Kanter - Something like January 4th
Board Member Thayer - Is the 7th too full to have him there then?
Mr. Kanter - Well, that's not possible because the Town Board set the public hearing for
the zoning amendment on December 13tH, so it has to, be after that.
Chairperson Wilcox - They've got to get the zoning change on the spa. January 4th is
the first meeting of... two weeks.
Board Member Mitrano - Well, ask him if he wants to come in on for 20 minutes. I'll
come in on the 21 st
Board Member Thayer - Either that or have a meeting on the 14tH
Chairperson Wilcox - That's a little too quick.
Ms. Ritter - I just would add that the Ellis Hollow apartments are scheduled for the 21 st,
and I still need to check with them to see if they would be able to come in on the 7th
They plan to bring their materials in tomorrow actually.
Chairperson Wilcox -.They would be one that would go two weeks earlier.
Ms. Ritter - If they can, they were the other ones that were hoping to get on for the 21 st
Chairperson Wilcox - I just wanted to cancel that meeting because it was Christmas.
week. If it doesn't work, it doesn't work. John, and staff, if we cancel the 21St, it's my
intent to try to lighten your load a little bit too around the Christmas and holiday season.
I mean it shifts the workload a little bit. is what it does. But I don't want to make
anyone's life more difficult to get something on the 7th
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Chairperson Wilcox - If we have to move the meeting to a different date, 1_ don't want to
move the meeting. I want to cancel a meeting, is what I want to do.
Mr. Kanter - Well, if you want to cancel it conditionally on finding out about particularly
on that Ellis Hollow one, I didn't realize that that was as critical.
Chairperson Wilcox - If Ellis Hollow wants the 21St, we might as well deal with Wally on
the 21 st.
Board Member Conneman - Jon, do you have a lot of things coming up in January that
would add to the crunch.
Mr. Kanter - Not at this point, but there could be ten items, there could be zero items.
Board Member Conneman - Do we have to cancel it tonight, or can we wait until the 7tnt?
Mr. Kanter - You can wait until the 7 th
Mr. Barney - Or you can give the chair the authority to cancel, if he in consultation with
the director of planning determines that it is feasible to do it without overburdening staff.
Mr. Kanter - First of all, would there be a minimum of 4 people who could be here on the
21St if we did do it? I agree with Fred that it would be awfully nice if we could cancel it.
Chairperson Wilcox - Alright, while you guys were having your little sidebar, somebody
mentioned that you could decide to postpone this decision to the first meeting in
December, and at that point, you could either postpone or grant the chair, in
consultation with the director of planning, the ability to cancel the meeting subject to...
Mr. Barney - This time of year, I would suggest you make the motion tonight to allow the
chair, with the consultation of the director of planning...
Board Member Thayer - So moved.
Board Member Conneman - Seconded.
Board Member Mitrano - All in favor?
Waiting for resolution.
Board Member Mitrano - It was moved by Larry, it was seconded by George, it was
unanimously voted in favor.
Chairperson Wilcox - Alright, so Jon, it's up to you and me and staff. OK, is there any
other business? There being none, can I have a motion to adjourn?
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Board Member Hoffman = Yes.
Chairperson Wilcox - We are adjourned at 9:23.
AGENDA ITEM: ADJOURNMENT:
Upon MOTION, Chairperson Wilcox declared the November 16, 2004 meeting of the
Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at 9:23 p.m.
Ily Submitted,
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%re a ne Coates Whitmo
Deputy Town Clerk
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
215 North Tioga Street
Ithaca, New York 14850
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
AGENDA
7:00 P.M. Persons to be heard (no more than five minutes).
7:04 P.M. SEQR Determination: Hartshorne 2 -Lot Subdivision, 106 & 108 Kay Street.
7:05 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed
2 -lot subdivision located at 106 and 108 Kay Street, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 71 -1 -54 and 71-
1-55, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal is to subdivide off a +/- 0.12 -acre parcel from
106 Kay Street to be consolidated with 108 Kay Street. Thomas H. Hartshorne, Owner /Applicant.
7:10 P.M. SEQR Determination: Mountin 8 -Lot Subdivision, Elm Street Extension / West Haven Road.
7:15 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed
8 -lot subdivision located on Elm Street Extension and West Haven Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel
No. 28 -1- 28.22, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves subdividing the 33.3 +/-
acre parcel into four residential building lots (between 3.7 +/- and 5.8 +/- acres in size) along Elm
Street Extension, two narrow parcels of 2.7 +/- and 0.98 +/- acres in size to be consolidated with
existing adjacent parcels, a narrow 0.98 +/- acre parcel with access off W. Haven Road to be conveyed
to the Town for municipal purposes, and a 10.7 +/- acre parcel to be donated to the Town for open
space /park purposes. Helen DeGraff Family Real Estate, Owner; David Mountin, Applicant.
7:25 P.M. SEQR Determination: Cornell University East Campus Research Facility, Corner of Tower and
Campus Roads.
7:40 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and Special Permit
for the proposed Cornell University East Campus Research Facility located on the corner of Tower
and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 63- 1 -2.2, 67 -1 -10.2 and 67 -1 -10.3, Low Density
Residential Zone. Phase I of the proposal involves the construction of an approximately 80,000 square
foot four -story building, with a possible Phase II four -story addition consisting of 24,000 square feet.
The facility will house animals used for research and teaching and will be directly connected to the
Veterinary Research Tower. The project will require the demolition of the existing one -story
Laboratory Animal Services wing of the Veterinary Research Tower that currently occupies the site.
Cornell University, Owner /Applicant; John M. Keefe, Agent.
8. Persons to be heard (continued from beginning of meeting if necessary).
9. Approval of Minutes: November 2, 2004,
10, Other Business:
11. Adjournment.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
273 -1747
NOTE: IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS UNABLE TO ATTEND, PLEASE NOTIFY
SANDY POLCE AT 273 - 1747..
(A quorum of four (4) members is necessary to conduct Planning Board business.)
TOWN OF IT1 ACA PLANNING BOARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
Tuesday, November 16, 2004
By direction of the Chairperson of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that Public Hearings
will be held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday, November .16, 2004, at 215 North
Tioga Street, Ithaca, N.Y., at the following times and on the following matters:
7:05 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed 2 -lot
subdivision located at 106 and 108 Kay Street, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 71 -1 -54
and 71 -1 -55, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal is to subdivide off a +/-
0.12 -acre parcel from 106 Kay Street to be consolidated with 108 Kay Street. Thomas H.
Hartshorne, Owner /Applicant.
7:15 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed 8 -lot
subdivision located on Elm Street Extension and West Haven Road, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No. 28 -1- 28.22, Medium Density Residential Zone. The proposal involves
subdividing the 33.3 +/- acre. parcel into four residential building lots (between 3.7 +/-
and 5.8 +/- acres in size) along Elm Street Extension, two narrow parcels of 2.7 +/- and
0.98 +/- acres in size to be consolidated with existing adjacent parcels, a narrow 0.98 +/-
acre parcel with access off W. Haven Road to be conveyed to the Town for municipal
purposes, and a 10.7 +/- acre parcel to be donated to the Town for open space /park
purposes. Helen DeGraff Family Real Estate, Owner; David Mountin, Applicant,
7:40 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval and Special Permit for the
proposed Cornell University East Campus Research Facility located on the corner of
Tower and Campus Roads, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 63- 1 -2.2, 67 -1 -10.2 and 67-
1 -10.3, Low Density Residential Zone. Phase I of the proposal involves the construction
of an approximately 80,000 square foot four -story building, with a possible Phase II four -
story addition consisting of 24,000 square feet. The facility will house animals used for
research and teaching and will be directly connected to the Veterinary Research Tower.
The project will require the demolition of the existing one -story Laboratory Animal
Services wing of the Veterinary Research Tower that currently occupies the site. Cornell
University, Owner /Applicant; John M. Keefe, Agent.
Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all persons in support of such matters or objections
thereto. Persons may appear by agent or in person. Individuals with visual impairments, hearing
impairments or other special needs, will be provided with assistance as necessary, upon request. Persons
desiring assistance must make such a request not less than 48 hours prior to the time of the public hearings.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
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Dated: Monday, November 8, 2004
Publish: Wednesday, November 10, 2004
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