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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 16, 2003
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on Tuesday, September 16,
2003, in Town Hall, 215 North Tioga, Ithaca, New York, at 7:00 p.m.
PRESENT: Fred Wilcox, Chairperson; Eva Hoffmann, Board Member; Tracy Mitrano,
Board Member (excused @ 8:30 p.m.); Larry Thayer, Board Member; Kevin Talty,
Board Member (7:12 p.m.); David Dubow, Attorney for the Town; Jonathan Kanter,
Director of Planning; Daniel Walker, Director of Engineering; Michael Smith,
Environmental Planner.
EXCUSED: George Conneman, Board Member; Rod Howe, Board Member.
ALSO PRESENT: David Harding, QPK Design; Brian McAree, Ithaca College; Carl
Sgrecci, Ithaca College; Fred Vanderburgh, Ithaca College; Tom Gilbert, I.A.D.; Pauline
& Bruce Layton, 1029 Danby Road; Rick Couture, Ithaca College; Cathy Cook, 209 Coy
Glen Road; Will Burbank, 132 Glenside Road.
Chairperson Wilcox declared the meeting duly opened at 7:08 p.m., and accepted for
the record Secretary's Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of Public
Hearings in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on September 8, 2003 and September 10,
2003, together with the properties under discussion, as appropriate, upon the Clerks of
the City of Ithaca and the Town of Danby, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of
Planning, upon the Tompkins County Commissioner of Public Works, and upon the
applicants and /or agents, as appropriate, on September 10, 2003,
Chairperson Wilcox read the Fire Exit Regulations to those assembled, as required by
the New York State Department of State, Office of Fire Prevention and Control.
Chairperson Wilcox welcomed Mr. Dubow as the attorney for the evening.
AGENDA ITEM.
PERSONS TO BE HEARD.
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:09 p.m. With no persons
present to be heard, Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:10
p.m.
AGENDA ITEM: SEQR Determination: Ithaca College /College Circle Apts. Parking
Expansion, 953 & 1033 Danby Road,
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:10 p.m.
Chairperson Wilcox — Before we get going, some of you may notice that you have
® revised plans in front of you this evening. We chastised a couple of applicants at the
last meeting about revised plans. In this case I talked to Mike Smith earlier. I
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. encourage him and I encouraged the applicant to go ahead with the scheduled hearing
this evening even though we weren't going to get re- engineered drawings until we
showed up. That is because they have made an attempt to try to address some of the
concerns we made two weeks ago. So given that, I hope that if you have any criticisms
you will direct it to me and not at the applicant for not having the engineered drawings in
advance. Having said that, Brian the floor is yours.
Brian McAree, Ithaca College — With me tonight is a couple of people. I will just point
them out again: Carl Sgrecci, Ithaca College Vice President for Finance and
Administration; Rick Couture, Ithaca College Director of Physical Plant; Fred
Vanderburgh, Ithaca College Senior Assistant Director for Construction, Planning &
Design; David Harding, QPK Designs; Tom Colbert, I.A.D.
At our last meeting with the Planning Board, we had a number of board members who
raised some issues with our proposal to add 118 parking spaces at the south end of the
Terrace Athletic field adjacent to the College Circle Apartment Complex. In addition, we
were asked to try to think through how we would try to accommodate 100 percent of the
occupants of College Circle in terms of parking if needed some time in the future. Since
our last meeting, we huddled, got together and did a lot of good planning, I think. We
revised the plan that we presented to you at the last meeting. We changed the original
plan in order to eliminate the disturbance of the wooded hillside east of the soccer field.
• That was one of the things a couple of the board members asked us to reconsider.
Also, we redesigned the proposal in order to create additional parking along the
connector road, as indicated on the revised plan. That is going to be on Ithaca College
property. As a result, we are now proposing the creation of 107 spaces versus 118
spaces as the original proposal was put forth. Although this reduces the potential
parking spaces available for students, we have attempted to be responsible to the
concerns the board raised at the last meeting. What that does in terms of available
spaces is, there would be 517 net spaces available for resident parking on the circle
apartment site. With these additional spaces, and we are really looking at 105 because
2 of the 107 spaces would need to be handicap accessible spaces. There would be
105 available to students. So with the 517 on the circle site as well as these additional
105, if approved, we would have 622 spaces available for resident parking. This is a 90
percent parking ratio for the 694 residents that reside at College Circle now, which is
what our goal was behind the original proposal.
The other thing we did was, at Kevin's urging, was to take a look at how you would go
about trying to accommodate 100 percent of the residents or nearly 100 percent of the
residents in the future. If we were ever to try to bring that College Circle residency up to
750, which I will emphasize that in this point in time we don't have that design, but if we
were to do that in the future, how would we do it. What we have done is look at the
potential for creating 93 additional parking spaces along the connector road on Ithaca
® College property. So, if the board approved the 105 that we are proposing tonight,
these additional 93 spaces would result in 715 available parking spaces for residents.
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This is 103 percent ratio at 694 residencies,
would be about 95 percent parking ratio at 750.
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which is where we are at right now. It
In addition, we believe that it is possible to add additional spaces to the area in front of
the community center for resident parking. If we redesign this area, we believe an
additional 18 parking spaces can be created in that area. These additional spaces
would result in a total of 733 parking spaces or the equivalent of 98 percent parking
ratio at 750. If you added in, which we didn't for the resident parking, the handicap
spaces that we have available as well as the service spaces, we would be over 103
percent parking ratio with the additional spaces.
One of the things that we talked a lot about was that when IAD created the design for
the College Circle complex, they did an exhaustive study of where on -site parking could
be created to meet the needs of the residents. They looked at various on -site parking
alternatives all of which eliminated a significant landscaped open space around the
buildings and the landscaped islands within the existing parking. I know that they
conclude that each alternative seemed to compromise the integrity of the site plan and
its park -like setting, which I know the students are enjoying right now. So, at present
the complex is attractive and meets the needs of our residents for recreation and
relaxation and open space. We believe that the potential for increasing the parking
spaces along that connector road meets the needs of the residents in terms of parking
without disturbing more green space on the College Circle site. I hope that responds to
some of the things that were raised at the last meeting. I'll turn it over to Dave now to
talk about the physical aspects of the proposal.
David Harding, QPK Designs — I just want to run quickly through the more technical
aspects of the plan as it is now proposed. In the agenda materials that were distributed
to you a week ago, we had included a preliminary plan showing how we would modify
the design to minimize the impact to the hillside. This plan that was distributed this
evening as you see it up before you, is very similar to that. One exception is that we
found as we tried to grade out around the parking lot that was shown as a straight
dogleg there, that the grading was again getting up into the trees. The plan that you
now see before you, we have bent it that second time and are occupying a portion of
what is now an enclosed area of the soccer field, the fenced area of the soccer field.
Other than that and the relocation
significant aspect of this which was
that we are proposing 8.5 foot wide
pavement that is placed out there.
original project and has found it to be
addition to the two other referrals to
referral for that variance.
of additional spaces over here, the only other
noted in the concept plan distributed to you, was
parking spaces to try to minimize the amount of
The college was granted that variance on the
working well. They would like to continue that. In
the Zoning Board, we would again need another
• From an engineering standpoint, the storm system is virtually identical to the one as we
have previously submitted and was reviewed by Dan Walker. I hope Dan had an
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opportunity to take a look at the plan. I think he would concur that there is no significant
change.
Chairperson Wilcox — Dan, are you ready to comment on the drainage?
Mr. Walker — Basically, the drainage is ... there is a little less impervious surface up
above the soccer fields. There is a little bit more down below. It is semi - impervious
anyhow because it is pretty much a packed gravel driveway. The entire new pavement
is draining into the proposed draining structure.
Board Member Hoffmann — I didn't understand what you said about the area at the top
of the drawing, where the parking is in a different spot. When I look at the old drawing
from last time and the new drawing, it still is in the same spot. It is just that some of it is
not indicated to be built.
Mr. Harding — When you say the old drawing, the one that was presented at the last
Planning Board meeting or the one that was distributed...
Board Member Hoffmann — The one from the last meeting.
Mr. Harding — In the old drawing, and I have dashed this in, in red. I don't know if you
• can see very well, but I've dashed the outline that the old parking lot used to
encompass. You can see that it went all the way over to that point there. It also bends
around this corner. Part of our re- evaluation we discovered that there were two very
large Hickory trees out there in the vicinity of the existing walkway over from College
Circle and realized that we had the opportunity to save those two trees as well. You
can see that there are probably about 12 parking spaces that were eliminated along
here and another 8 to 10 that we eliminated along the topside.
Board Member Hoffmann — Yes, I do see that. I just thought you said that the part that
remains of that section of the parking lot had been moved closer to the field. But, it
looks to me like it is in the same location as it was before.
Mr. Harding — That reference was relative to the concept plan that was, distributed with
your agenda items last week. The difference here was that we thought we could get
away without modifying the fence around the soccer field, but when it came down to
engineering and grading it, we discovered that we were again running into some
difficulties impacting trees. I know the soccer coach is probably not going to be happy,
but we are going to be occupying what is now part of the sideline area of the soccer
field.
Board Member Hoffmann — Now, if you would show us again the other plan that you
have underneath L1, where you pointed out the possible future areas for more parking.
® That still in the black part has the configuration of the concept plan.
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Mr. Harding — Yes, and that is because this exhibit was produced last week before
everything was engineered. So, it is to show it conceptually. It is difficult to get too
detailed on such a broad scale plan like this, but very good eye. I noticed that myself
today, and I said well...
Board Member Hoffmann — Anyway, you are not proposing to build it the way that it is
outlined in black. It is the L1 the one we are looking at.
Chairperson Wilcox — That drawing, D1, is not in front of us.
Mr. Kanter — It has not been submitted.
Chairperson Wilcox — In essence, what you have done is shortened that dogleg. You
have gone from double loading to single - loading parking.
Mr. Harding — That is correct.
Board Member Hoffmann — And where are the two trees that you are saving?
Mr. Harding — They are right in this area and the reason that we were not aware of them
before was because they did not appear on the survey that we had been using. The
• day that we met out there with the Planning Board members and some of the Planning
staff and I painted out the approximate limits of the parking lot, I discovered that we
were in very close proximity to those trees. It gave us the opportunity when you sent us
back to the drawing board to respond to that issue as well.
Board Member Hoffmann
— And they
are still quite close
to
the
area that will be
disturbed, but you think the
roots will not
be disturbed
enough
so
that
they will survive?
Mr. Harding — We will be about 30 feet away from the trunk with the edge of the
pavement. It is outside their canopy area. They have a fairly small canopy.
Chairperson Wilcox — Any other questions with regard to environmental review?
Board Member Thayer — I am comfortable with the changes. I'll move the SEQR.
Board Member Hoffmann — I had, actually, a couple of questions in the form that was
submitted. It is just two questions. On page 5 of the full environmental assessment
form, point B1f says number of off street parking spaces existing 694, proposed 812.
That number confuses me. Where does that come from? That is not a number I have
heard tonight.
Mr. Harding — It maybe that in the numbers that we have been using here, where Brian
starts out with the number 517, it does not include 20 spaces that are designated at the
community building for community building use parking in short term duration.
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. Board Member Hoffmann — The other thing we should remember is that this was
prepared before this more recent proposal. So, it relates to some numbers that were
given to us last time.
Mr. Harding — I'm not sure that these numbers that I'm sharing with you will get you up
to those numbers exactly. From an overall standpoint, there are 552 existing parking
spaces on the College Circle Apartment property. That includes the 20 community
building, 10 handicap accessible spaces and 5 service vehicle spaces.
Board Member Hoffmann — So, it should really say 552 instead of 691. And what about
the proposed?
Mr. Harding — The total proposed parking under this project that we are asking for
approval tonight is 107 more. So it would be 552 plus 107.
Chairperson Wilcox — 662.
Board Member Hoffmann — We should change that number accordingly. The other
comment has to do with something on page 9 of 21. Point 7 on that page asks what are
the predominant land uses and zoning classifications within a quarter mile radius of
proposed action. It says institutional, residential and undeveloped. I think it should say
• Unique Natural Area as well there. It is true that it is an undeveloped area, but it is
special because it is a Unique Natural Area and I think that should be mentioned.
Chairperson Wilcox — What is its designation?
Board Member Hoffmann — I don't know if it has a number.
Mr. Harding — It is in my project narrative from my original submission.
Mr. Smith — The number is UNA 154, it's the South Hill Swamp Unique Natural Area.
Board Member Hoffmann — There are other things that I would like to add later.
Chairperson Wilcox — Do we have any other questions of Brian and David while they
are here? Pauline, did you want to take the microphone? I will ask you to address the
board and not Brian.
Pauline Layton, 1029 Danby Road — Please see attached email from Mrs. Layton to
Jonathan Kanter.
Chairperson Wilcox — Is anybody else interested in addressing the board this evening
with regard to the environmental review? Dan, any comments? I don't mean to put you
• on the spot. I figured you wanted to say something.
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Mr. Walker — The two drainage pipes that they have proposed, one is underground now
that starts up to the top of the hill. It was installed at that location, basically at the
request of the Town to make sure that the water from the northerly part of the
watershed, which is now the parking lot line, did not get into the ditch that goes down
between the Yntema and Kirshman properties. Originally, they had the two channels
flowing right next to each other. It was actually the same channel and they were going
to separate the water. That was not a good concept. So that is why there are two pipes
that are running parallel right now. The parking lot area and the area of the steeper
hillside are all draining to the new detention pond west of the soccer fields.
The bulk of the water from the main College Circle site is going into the big detention
pond. This other long pipe that is now being relocated or replacing the ditch that is
along the southerly edge of the parking lot is maintaining the flow from the small area
that was draining down between the Yntema's and keeping that separate.
Mr. Harding — Ithaca College drainage.
Mr. Walker — I'm sorry. A portion of the College Circle new site is going down that pipe.
Basically, all these conduits were put in and the ditches were put to maintain the
drainage patterns, as they existed previously.
. Board Member Hoffmann — What about the grate that was mentioned? It seems to be
too high up above the ground.
Mr. Walker — I think that grate was basically put in because ... you see there is a bend in
that pipe at that location. It would be the southeasterly corner of the soccer field. That
is the grating that was slightly above the ground. It is basically a catch basin area ... not
so much a catch basin but a manhole to facilitate a change in direction with the
drainage pipes that go up the hill. I believe that will be re- graded and the parking lot will
now drain into it or a portion of the parking lot will now drain into it.
Chairperson Wilcox — There is a comment about the bales of straw. I assume that was
the temporary mitigation measure during construction.
Mr. Walker — There is a lot of maintenance involved with any temporary measures.
Bales of straw only work under very low flow conditions. They are going to go over top.
They are basically a little dam and a channel that is meant to be ... to flow free. So the
water will exceed the capacity of a hay bale at some point. It is a high maintenance
item. It handles the silt from a low flow situation during a short period of time during
construction. It is not intended to be a permanent solution. Unfortunately, when they do
get high intensity storms, they can flow around the ends of the bales. We have to
monitor those very closely and make sure that they are maintained. It is just a
temporary measure only during construction to stop the major silt. As soon as the
• vegetation starts to get re- established there it can be removed.
Chairperson Wilcox — Did you want to say anything, David?
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0 Mr. Harding — No.
Board Member Mitrano — I second Larry 's motion.
Chairperson Wilcox — Hold on for a second. Anybody have any further questions? Do
you want to make your motion again on the SEAR?
Board Member Thayer moved the SEQR motion and Board Member Mitrano seconded
the motion.
Chairperson Wilcox — Any concerns about the drainage?
Board Member Thayer — If Dan is happy, I am happy.
Chairperson Wilcox — Any other aspects, Kevin?
Board Member Talty — With regards to the trash and refuse that clogs the top of the
drains, how is that currently handled?
Fred Vanderburgh, Ithaca College — We had a lot of rain this spring and summer. We
were well aware of the debris that was at the grate and in the basin. It was cleaned the
® day after the storm. We have signed a maintenance contract with the Town. Dan has
it, where we will diligently make sure that these structures are checked after every
storm. We have a crew that is actually assigned to that job. It is their first and foremost
thing to do during a storm and after a storm. The grate was broke. When we lifted it
with a backhoe we had a broken well and that will be repaired. The idea of the basin is
to collect that debris so that it doesn't get in the pipe. It has been cleaned after every
storm. The straw bales have been removed from the site. They were there because of
not having good ground cover last fall and riprap has been installed this summer. It was
not part of the original project, but we thought to slow the flow going into the basin that if
we put it through the riprap we could stop a lot of this debris, which would cut down on
our maintenance and everybody's problems. That is basically where we are with
maintenance and how we take of the problems, as they exist.
Chairperson Wilcox — Tom, thank you for coming. I need to do a disclosure here, so
you can just nod your head as I speak. Integrated Acquisition owns or controls College
Circle. IAD also owns or controls Warrenwood Apartments. For the record I am a
resident of Warrenwood Apartments, which is owned or controlled by the same entity
that owns and /or controls College Circle Apartments. I should also for the record point
out that I get a discount on my rent because I am employed at the Cornell Research
Industrial Park up near the airport and as such I get a discount on my rent. I think that
is full disclosure on that one. I have a motion and a second with regard to
environmental review. If there is no further discussion, all those in favor please say aye.
Chairperson Wilcox, Board Member Mitrano, Board Member Thayer, Board Member
Talty — aye.
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Board Member Hoffmann — nay.
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2003 -078 —SEQR, Site Plan Approval and Variances, Ithaca
College / College Circle Apts. Parking Expansion, 953 and 1033 Danby Road,
Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 424-13.2, 4344.2, and 434-2.3.
MOTION made by Larry Thayer, seconded by Tracy Mitrano.
WHEREAS:
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the
proposed construction of a +/- 107 -space parking lot for the College Circle
Apartments with additional walkway connections, new landscaping and lighting,
and modifications to the existing stormwater facilities. The parking lot is
proposed to be located at the southern end of the Ithaca College campus
between the existing soccer field and the College Circle Apartments, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 42 -1 -13.2, 43- 1 -2.2, and 43- 1 -2.3, Residence District R-
15 and Multiple Residence. Ithaca College and College Circle Associates, LLC /
South Hill Land Associates, LLC, Owners; QPK Design, Applicant David A.
Harding, Agent, and
2. This is a Type 1 Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has indicated
its intent to act as Lead Agency in a coordinated environmental review with
respect to Site Plan Approval and the necessary variances, and
3. The Planning Board, on September 16, 2003, has reviewed and accepted as
adequate a Full Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the
applicant, and a Part II prepared by Town Planning Staff, plans titled
"Layout/Planting Plan & Details" (sheet L -1) and "Grading /Utility Plan & Details"
(sheet L -2), dated July 31, 2003 and revised 9 -9 -03, prepared by QPK Design,
and other application material, and
4. The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination of
environmental significance with respect to the proposed Site Plan Approval and
necessary variances;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, having received no objections from
other Involved Agencies, hereby establishes itself as Lead Agency to coordinate the
environmental review of the above - described actions,
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination
of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental
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Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed, and therefore, an
Environmental Impact Statement will not be required, and that a notice of this
determination will be duly filed and published pursuant to the provisions of 6 NYCRR
Part 617.12.
The vote on the Motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Mitrano, Thayer, Talty.
NAYS: Hoffmann.
The motion was declared to be carried.
Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 7:46 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for
the proposed construction of a +/- 118 -space parking lot for the College Circle
Apartments with additional walkway connections, new landscaping and lighting,
and modifications to the stormwater facilities. The parking lot is proposed to be
located at the southern end of campus between the existing soccer field and the
College Circle Apartments, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 42 -1 -13.2, 43- 1 -2.29
and 43- 1 -2.3, Residence District R -15 and Multiple Residence. Ithaca College and
College Circle Associates, LLC / South Hill Land Associates, LLC, Owners; QPK
Design, Applicant; David A. Harding, Agent.
Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 7:46 p.m.
Chairperson Wilcox — Does anybody have questions of the applicant or their agents with
regard to the proposed site plan?
Mr. Kanter — How close are the new parking spaces along the connector road to the
nearest property line?
Mr. Harding — I didn't bring my scale, but they are approximately an inch away and this
is a 40 -scale drawing, so I would say 40 feet.
Chairperson Wilcox — Kevin, I think they tried to address one of your concerns about is
it enough parking or is it too much parking.
Board Member Talty — I appreciate their efforts this evening.
Board Member Hoffmann — I appreciate the efforts, too, but I would still like to see the
parking spaces up near the UNA moved to a different location. Where they are now it
involves disturbing more of the land in that area than if you moved them along the
access road where you already suggested some future parking spaces. I don't like the
way there is still a little bit left on that finger and on the western edge. It doesn't seem
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worth all that disturbance for those 8 spaces when they could be put along the access
road instead:
Board Member Thayer — I wonder how much disturbance there actually is there. Do we
know?
Board Member Hoffmann — Well, you have to build the part for the cars to drive in and
out to have access to those parking spaces. If it were on the access road, you would
just have to build the parking spaces.
Mr. Walker — You notice that spot along the soccer field is where you are talking about
on the east side of the soccer field, if you notice all that disturbance is below where the
existing access road is.
Board Member Hoffmann — I know that.
Mr. Walker — That is basically soccer field
were.
It is the cleared area where the bleachers
Board Member Hoffmann — I still think that it would be better to not have those parking
spaces there, but to have them along the access road.
Mr. Smith — Some of those spaces are located within the existing fenced area. It is just
mowed lawn right now.
Board Member Hoffmann — I see that.
Mr. Walker — It is already a disturbed area.
Chairperson Wilcox — Any other questions? Thank you.
Chairperson Wilcox asked if any members of the public wished to address the Planning
Board. With no persons present to address the Planning Board, Chairperson Wilcox
closed the public hearing at 7:51 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board.
Board Member Hoffmann — It is just not that the area is disturbed, but there is more
paving needed to add the parking spaces up there than if you just added them to the
access road. The less paved over area the better.
Chairperson Wilcox — I agree with you to some extent. I think the applicant also agreed
with us and reduced the number of spaces from roughly 30 to roughly 8 in that area.
The issue still is the distance of some of these spaces from the actual living areas. That
continues to be somewhat of an issue. The more you transfer from that little extension,
the more you put along the driveway and the farther they get away from the existing
residential units. It's a tough call.
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• Board Member Mitrano — What's the problem?
Chairperson Wilcox — We are just rehashing, again, the fact that they reduced the thirty -
ish spaces down to the 8 and I'm very glad that they did it. Eva was mentioning she
wished they were completely eliminated them. But, the more you put down here along
the access road, the farther and farther you are getting away from where the actual
units are located.
Board Member Mitrano — Why does that concern you? I don't understand why that
concerns you.
Chairperson Wilcox — Eva was saying she wished they had gotten rid of all of the ones
up there. My comment was I'm glad that they mitigated some of the issues that we
spoke about, but transferring them all down to the road pushes them farther away from
the residences. That concerns me because students bring groceries, they bring other
packages and the farther and farther the parking spaces get away from the residential
units. My concern is the less that they will use them and the more likely they might be
to park where they are not permitted.
Board Member Mitrano — whose problem is that?
Chairperson Wilcox — Understood.
Board Member Hoffmann — On the other hand, the majority of the parking spaces are
right by the living units. These are just some additional spaces. If you have a lot of
things that you want to bring to your unit, you can always drive and park there quickly
and then go back and park your car. I don't see that as a problem.
Board Member Thayer — I was wondering if the 8.5 -foot width that they have already
used over at College Circle is presenting any problems at all.
Mr. McAree — I am not aware of any problems.
Chairperson Wilcox — Any further discussion? Would someone like to move the motion
as drafted for preliminary and final site plan approval? So moved by Kevin Talty. Do I
have a second?
Board Member Mitrano — I'll second.
Chairperson Wilcox — All those in favor please signal by saying aye.
Chairperson Wilcox, Board Member Mitrano, Board Member Thayer, Board Member
Talty — aye.
0 Board Member Hoffmann — nay.
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• PB RESOLUTION NO. 2003 -079 - Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, Ithaca
College / College Circle Apts. Parking Expansion, 953 and 1033 Danby Road,
Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 424-13.2, 43- 1 -2.2, and 43- 1 -2.3.
MOTION made by Kevin Talty, seconded by Tracy Mitrano.
WHEREAS.
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the
proposed construction of a +/- 107 -space parking lot for the College Circle
Apartments with additional walkway connections, new landscaping and lighting,
and modifications to the existing stormwater facilities. The parking lot is
proposed to be located at the southern end of the Ithaca College campus
between the existing soccer field and the College Circle Apartments, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 42 -1 -13.2, 43- 1 -2.2, and 43- 1 -2.3, Residence District R-
15 and Multiple Residence, Ithaca College and College Circle Associates, LLC /
South Hill Land Associates, LLC, Owners; QPK Design, Applicant; David A.
Harding, Agent, and
2. This is a Type I Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as
lead agency in environmental review with respect to Site Plan Approval and the
• necessary variances, has, on September 16, 2003, made a negative
determination of environmental significance, after having reviewed and accepted
as adequate a Full Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the
applicant, and a Part II prepared by Town Planning staff, and
3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on September 16, 2003, has
reviewed and accepted as adequate, plans titled "Layout/Planting Plan & Details"
(sheet L -1) and "Grading /Utility Plan & Details" (sheet L -2), dated July 31, 2003
and revised 9 -9 -03, prepared by QPK Design, and other application material, and
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED.
1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for
Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and Final
Site Plan Checklists, having determined from the materials presented that such
waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of site plan
control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and
2. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Site
Plan Approval for the proposed construction of a +/- 107 -space parking lot for the
College Circle Apartments, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 42 -1 -13.2, 43- 1 -2.21
and 43- 1 -2.3, as shown on plans titled "Layout/Planting Plan & Details" (sheet L-
1) and "Grading /Utility Plan & Details" (sheet L -2), dated July 31, 2003 and
revised 9 -9 -03, prepared by QPK Design, subject to the following conditions:
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a. granting of the necessary variances by the Zoning Board of Appeals, prior
to issuance of a building permit, and
b. submission of an original of the final site plan on mylar, vellum or paper, to
be retained by the Town of Ithaca, prior to the issuance of a building
permit.
The vote on the Motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Mitrano, Thayer, Talty,
NAYS: Hoffmann.
The motion was declared to be carried.
AGENDA ITEM: SEAR Determination: Town of Ithaca Pump Station 2 -Lot
Subdivision, Coy Glen Road.
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 7:57 p.m.
Mr. Walker — On the wall, is the overview of the whole water main project with the pump
station that we are proposing for Coy Glen Road, which the Town Board has authorized
us to go out to bid on conditioned upon not awarding any bids until we have all
subdivision details worked out. The pump station is a fairly small building relative to a
very small house. From an environmental standpoint it is no more...
Chairperson Wilcox — Can I stop you?
subdivision. Remember that.
What is before this board is a two -lot
Mr. Walker — Okay. We are proposing a legal, building lot that meets all the
requirements. It leaves adjacent frontage on the remainder of the parcel those fronts on
Coy Glen Road as a legal building lot also. It is minimum 100 feet at the road line. It is
in R15. There are two other access points to the remaining lot. We subdivided a little
less than 1 -acre lot off a big chunk of land to enable the Town to procure it for use as a
pump station.
Chairperson Wilcox — Do you want to talk about the pump station now?
Mr. Walker — Is it appropriate for SEQR?
Chairperson Wilcox — I just wanted you to concentrate on the subdivision first.
Mr. Walker — There are a couple of details to be worked out. We do not have an
owner's certificate today because the big lot is currently under contract for sale.
Unfortunately, due to things legal, there has been a delay in the closing on the property
from the person who has it under contract. He is anticipating that that will close fairly
soon.
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Mr. Dubow — With respect to that, I would point out that both the SEQR resolution and
the subsequent resolution should list contract vendee as the owner. You may want to
correct that so that it lists the actual owner as the owner and then Mr. Young as the
contract vendee.
Chairperson Wilcox — Who currently owns the parcel?
Mr. Walker — Community Corners Center, LLC.
Chairperson Wilcox — Someone is currently trying to or is buying the larger parcel.
Mr. Walker — It is under contract and is very close to closing.
Chairperson Wilcox — The subdivision would occur from the new owner?
Mr. Walker — Yes. We have been negotiating with the new owner for the purchase of
the land.
Chairperson Wilcox — Questions with regard to environmental review?
• Board Member Hoffmann — The whole little building and driveway is going to be very
close to the house down hill, even though it is quite wooded. There is not very much
space.
Mr. Walker — Yes. We have actually met with the whole community and Ms. Cook, the
owner of the property. We are taking steps to minimize the visual impact to their
property and for the rest of the community. We have spent a lot of time and effort. We
have some renderings of site lines and then in the lower drawing, we have a berm
proposed that would be vegetated. We've put the building into the ground below grade
partially on the backside. We are making a lot of efforts to hide this building. The Town
will be installing and maintaining the landscaping. We are also going to be holding at
least one more meeting with the community to actually finalize the finish surface on the
building for the color and texture. Also, with vegetation to make sure they are satisfied
that we will not create a blithe in the neighborhood.
Board Member Hoffmann — I would just like to have a little bit more explanation of what
the building will look like. It says it will be a precast, concrete building.
Mr. Walker — It is a precast, concrete building with a flat roof. It will be about 9 feet high
in front of the building, which is at the driveway. The rear portion of the building will only
extend above the ground about 5 feet. It will be tapered from the back to the front. It is
a standard pump station building that we put out. If you are familiar with Oakwood
Lane, which we built a couple of years ago in the City, it is the same basic design
expect for that one is painted a bright green, which everyone agrees is not nice. We are
not going to be using that color on this building.
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Board Member Hoffmann — It actually will look like a box, essentially then, because of
the flat roof.
Mr. Walker — It is roughly the same as the wonderful building on Pine Tree Road that
sticks out like a sore thumb across from the tennis facility, except it is a little bit bigger,
but it will be buried in the ground.
Board Member Thayer — Dan, are the neighbors happy with the buffers that you have
presented?
Mr. Walker — We have been working very hard with them and I think they are satisfied
that we can minimize the impact down there. There is also benefit to the adjoining
parcel. As you can see on the plat, we have a larger than minimum lot here. By
running the westerly line straight up from the road, it basically puts a Town owned
property against most of their full westerly boundary. We don't have any intentions of
developing that, so it minimizes the potential for anyone else to put a house closer to
the property line. Plus, the configuration that we have of the remainder of the lot
basically leaves one lot that someone can put a house on or using it as access to the
back land. It is not going to be a densely developed area.
• Chairperson Wilcox — What if I came to this board and wanted to subdivide off this 9/10
of an acre parcel? It is R15 and I could build a two - family residence there, right?
Mr. Walker — Yes, you could.
Chairperson Wilcox — It could be a 3,000 to 5,000 square foot residence. I'm trying to in
my mind think about what the zoning allows, which is a two - family residence to be built
there as long as it meets the setback requirements versus a 17 by 28 pump station that
is barely 10 feet high. I don't think I need to elaborate any farther.
Board Member Hoffmann — I hear what you are saying, Fred.
Chairperson Wilcox — Can I remind us that we are talking about subdivision, here?
Board Member Hoffmann — Yes, but I also think that we have to be sensitive to the fact
that the Cook house is a beautiful, historic house. I think it is appropriate for the Town
to be sensitive to that and to not put something there, which is just out of place. It would
be much nicer to have something that looked like a small house. Is it going to have
windows and doors?
Mr. Walker — It will have a double door on one end. Mr. Walker showed the board
rendering of the proposed building.
• Board Member Hoffmann — Would it be possible to put a pitched roof on it?
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• Chairperson Wilcox — Again, lets be careful. If we want to make a recommendation to
the Town Board, fine. But, lets remember what our purpose here is.
Mr. Walker — At the Town Board meeting that approved this project and this building
configuration, the peaked roof concept was discussed. I believe David Klein expressed
the opinion if we are trying to hide the building, and then we don't want to put a peaked
roof on it from architect's standpoint. The suggestion was made at that meeting that we
hire an architect to design the building. David again made the comments, I'm
paraphrasing, that you are trying to hide the building and you do not want to make it
stick out any more. So having a flat roof and providing landscaping will minimize the
visual impact of the building.
Chairperson Wilcox — David Klein's profession is?
Mr. Walker — He's an architect.
Board Member Hoffmann — I have a flat roof on my house. I have nothing against flat
roofs. I don't have a historic building next to my house. It is a different situation.
Chairperson Wilcox — It is a beautiful building.
• Mr. Walker — We have been working with the neighborhood group for over 3 months.
We have been working with them and trying to be sensitive to their needs. We sited this
to minimize the number of large trees that have to be cut and also to have it blend in
with the existing topography as much as possible.
Chairperson Wilcox — Can you do me a favor? Talk about the benefit in terms of the
water in that area.
Mr. Walker — The big benefit here is that currently we buy water from the City of Ithaca
for the people in this area and on West Hill. The City of Ithaca charges us over $4.00
per thousands gallons to buy this water. We sell it for $2.95. Bolton Point currently
sells us water at $1.79 per thousand gallons. It will probably be going up to about $2.00
or $2.25 this coming year because we have some major renovation and capital projects
going on at Bolton Point. Basically, the Bolton Point water, which we own the plant as a
member of the Commission. We pay for 50 percent of the plant. There are a lot of us
that believe that the quality of water from Bolton Point is higher than the quality of water
delivered by the City. Just the cost alone is making this an economically feasible
project to supply West Hill of the Town of Ithaca with water from a plant that the Town of
Ithaca owns. This is what is driving this project.
Chairperson Wilcox — Any issue with regard to pressure in this area?
40 Mr. Walker — We are improving the pressure in the area, not by this pump station
though. As part of the project, we are bringing the water down from South Hill to feed
the Inlet Valley. We are building a new storage tank on Bostwick Road, which is
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approximately 100 feet higher in elevation than the City's Elm Street tank, which
currently supplies water to this area. That will increase the water pressure in the Coy
Glen area by about 40 or 45 pounds. Right now, Mr. Burbank who was here earlier has
about 25 to 30 pounds of pressure at his house, which is minimal. There is at lease one
house on Coy Glen Road that has to boost the water to get any adequate pressure at
all. This will provide a better steady supply of water from a tank that does not have a
hole in the roof and will provide us Bolton Point water.
Board Member Hoffmann — I have no doubts about the benefits of all this. I'm just trying
to think of things to make it as unobtrusive as possible in the location. I have some
other questions about the driveway. The driveway looks like it is wide enough at the
road to have cars coming in and out next to each other.
Mr. Walker — There are two lines. The dark solid line is the driveway. The dashed line
is the area that is going to be disturbed during construction. So the driveway on here is
close 20 feet wide, but we are going to be building it about 15 feet wide.
Board Member Hoffmann — Well, I'm glad to hear that because that will make a
difference.
Mr. Walker — We are reducing the width of the driveway.
Board Member Hoffmann — You are bringing it in so that it is closer to the building.
Mr. Walker — One of the reasons the driveway is below the building as it is, is that we
tucked the building up between some existing trees. You can see there is a utility pole
that is marked with a little circle with a dot in it. There is also a very large tree that we
are trying to preserve. That is why the driveway is a little bit lower than the building.
We are really trying to fit this in. The actual configuration of the driveway may vary
slightly from how it is depicted on here as we wiggle the building around a little bit to
make it to not disturb the trees.
Board Member Hoffmann — I'm glad to hear that because if you have a narrower
driveway going in, then there is less of an opening to see this building from the road.
Mr. Walker — If you are right on the road looking in, you won't see the building because
you would be looking straight in passed it and we are going to put the shrubbery around
the front of the building to block it. If you are coming up the hill, we are going to make
sure that the vegetation stays fairly dense on the easterly side of the driveway so that
you won't have too much of a view of the building either.
Board Member Hoffmann — The berm I assume will be moved westward as the
driveway is made narrower, too?
Mr. Walker — Yes.
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Board Member Hoffmann — There are no parking spots indicated here.
Mr. Walker — There is not a need for parking. We don't have anybody living there, I
hope. This is not big enough to put the card table in and there is no bathroom. We
usually have one service vehicle and sometimes two vehicles in there at a time.
Board Member Hoffmann — That is why I reacted to the size of it on the drawing.
Chairperson Wilcox — Young lady, would you like to address us or not?
Cathy Cook, 209 Coy Glen Road — I'm the neighbor of the new water pump station. I
wanted to thank you very much for your concern and your discussion about this. I come
tonight because I know so much now about water in the Town of Ithaca and what the
inside of the other pump station that I just feel I have to go through this whole process
with you all. Dan has been incredibly generous with his time and has worked very
closely with neighbors. We have had two meetings on the back patio of the house
where we can see the markers for where this building is going. I say that because it is
close. It is very close. It is in the back yard. But I think that once this was decided that
this is where it needs to go and we'll make the entire system work, we all just have to
work together on it. Your questions about hiding it, we have talked about peaked roofs
and things. There is at least one more meeting I think to really look at the details.
• Other neighbors beside myself have also been satisfied with this process and how
much input we have had. I have been very impressed.
I just really have one question about tonight. Really tonight's decision is only drawing
new lines, right? We are not deciding anything about the building or where it is being
placed or anything.
Chairperson Wilcox — Right. The Planning Board has been delegated approval of
subdivisions in the Town of Ithaca. So what we are being asked tonight is to approve
the creation of that small lot from the larger lot.
Ms. Cook — In our discussions, one of our big concerns was development along 'Coy
Glen Road. It is just such an odd angle that has been there since at 1939 when my
grandmother purchased the property. The lot has not changed. So to have the Town
purchase that little triangle is helpful in protecting that one side from further
development. I have heard you talk about what could go in.
Chairperson Wilcox — I did that for a reason. So you understand what the zoning allows
there.
Ms. Cook — We understand certainly that an access road needs to go in. The big
concern was that there really was not enough room to put an access road a building in
that spot closest to the road. We are fine. We know you have all spent more time on
this than you ever thought you would. I will say one thing, though. Ironically, our house
has a water pump. We are on our own pump. So we will not be, at least right of way,
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• benefiting from all of this wonderful water pressure. I have no doubt that at some point
we will be tapping in.
Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you. If there were no further discussion, would someone
like to move the SEQR motion?
Board Member Mitrano — I will.
Board Member Thayer — I second.
Chairperson Wilcox — Moved by Tracy Mitrano, seconded by Larry Thayer.
Mr. Dubow — Can I suggest in paragraph number one, the last line where it reads Town
of Ithaca for a new water pump station, it should probably read beginning there Corners
Community Center, LLC, Owner; John Young, Contract Vendee instead of owner, then
Town of Ithaca applicant. I suggest the same change on the subsequent resolution.
Chairperson Wilcox — That acceptable?
Board Member Mitrano & Board Member Thayer —Yes.
• Chairperson Wilcox — Thank you, David.
Mr. Walker — For clarification I have talked to one of the principles in Corners
Community and they have no problem with this happening.
Chairperson Wilcox — There being no further discussion with regard to environmental
review, all those in favor please signal by saying aye.
Board — Aye.
Chairperson Wilcox — The motion is carried unanimously.
PB RESOLUTION NO. 2003 -080 - SEQR: Preliminary and Final Subdivision
Approval, Coy Glen Pump Station Two -Lot Subdivision, Coy Glen Road, Tax
Parcel No. 30 -1 -1.
MOTION made by Tracy Mitrano, seconded by Larry Thayer.
WHEREAS:
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed two -lot subdivision located on Coy Glen Road between 209 and 231
• Coy Glen Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 30 -1 -1, Residence District R -15.
The proposal is to subdivide off a 0.9 +/- acre parcel from the 44.1 +/- acre parcel
to be used by the Town of Ithaca for a new water pump station. Corners
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• Community Center, LLC, Owner; John Young, Contract Vendee; Town of Ithaca,
Applicant, and
2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board is
legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in environmental review with
respect to Subdivision Approval, and
3. The Planning Board on September 16, 2003, has reviewed and accepted as
adequate a Short Environmental Assessment Form Part I, submitted by the
applicant, and Part 11 prepared by the Town Planning staff, and drawings entitled
"Coy Glen Pump Station Subdivsion Map Overview" (OV) dated 913103, "Coy
Glen Pump Station Subdivision Map" (1) dated 8118103, "Coy Glen Pump Station
Berm and Planting Plan" (2) dated 918103, prepared by the Town of Ithaca
Engineering Department, and other application materials, and
4. The Town planning staff has recommended a negative determination of
environmental significance with respect to the proposed Subdivision Approval.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative determination
• of environmental significance in accordance with the New York State Environmental
Quality Review Act for the above referenced action as proposed and, therefore, neither
a Full Environmental Assessment Form, nor an Environmental Impact Statement will be
required.
The vote on the Motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Mitrano, Thayer, Talty.
NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 8:21 p.m.
PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval
for the proposed two -lot subdivision located on Coy Glen Road approximately
600 feet north of Glenside Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 30 =1 -1, Residence
District R -15. The proposal is to subdivide off a 0.9 +/= acre parcel from the 44 +/m
acre parcel to be used by the Town of Ithaca for a new water pump station.
Corners Community Center, Owner; Town of Ithaca, Applicant,
Chairperson Wilcox opened the public hearing at 8:22 p.m.
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• Chairperson Wilcox asked if any members of the public wished to address the Planning
Board. With no persons present to address the Planning Board, Chairperson Wilcox
closed the public hearing at 8:24 p.m. and brought the matter back to the board.
Chairperson Wilcox — It is a simple two -lot subdivision as we say.
Board Member Thayer — That's what it is.
Chairperson Wilcox — So moved by the Chair. Do I.have a second? Seconded by
Kevin Talty. The one change as before is to modify whereas clause number one to
indicate the current ownership and the Mr. Young is the contract vendee. That change
is acceptable to me, and Kevin, I assume to you as well.
Mr.
Dubow — I
would point out,
as well in the
resolution, I assume that everybody noted
that
one of the
conditions is, in
fact, receipt of
a signed owners
certificate.
Board Member Hoffmann — I feel more reassured now that I have a little more details
about what is going to be done there. But, I think now that I have looked at the
resolution here that we have to make sure that we are not approving these drawings
that we were provided with because they are going to be changed.
Chairperson Wilcox — Eva, we are approving a subdivision. Please, we are approving a
subdivision. That is all that we are approving.
Board Member Hoffmann — Right, but the subdivision drawings have these drawings of
the building and the driveway.
Chairperson Wilcox — That maybe true, but what is in front of us and what this says is
preliminary and final subdivision approval. We are not superceding the Town Board's
authority.
Board Member Hoffmann — In the second therefore when it mentions...
Mr. Walker — The final plat will not show the building on it.
Mr. Kanter — One of the requirements actually is a final detailed survey plat.
Mr. Walker — The building is only shown on there because we used the same
documents to review this at the Town Board for the approval of the project.
Board Member Hoffmann — I see. Well, I always feel a little nervous about these things
because lines on a piece of paper that is approved tend to be taken as everything is
being approved.
Mr. Walker — The lines on the final subdivision plat will simply be the plat boundary lines
as shown on this drawing, not the building location.
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Chairperson Wilcox — David, do you have any concerns?
Mr. Dubow — No. Despite the fact that it shows the building, it is clear what the
intension of this board is and this board only has the authority to approve it as a
subdivision.
Board Member Hoffmann — Well, it even says under point 2 here in the second
wherefore, that one of the drawings is called Coy Glen Pump Station Berm and Planting
Plan.
Chairperson Wilcox — Those were the drawings that we had in front of us in order to
make a determination as to whether to grant the subdivision.
Board Member Hoffmann — Well, it is not just the subdivision lines, even in the title.
Chairperson Wilcox — If there is no further discussion...
Mr. Kanter — For you benefit, we wanted to clarify in the further resolved, which deals
with the park set aside. At the end of the paragraph it talks about reserve the right to
consider preservation of parkland. We have gotten a call from John Barney, which why
I am bringing this up; questioning what that actually was intended to mean. I believe the
• intent of staff is that the board would reserve the right to consider preservation of
parkland on the remaining 43 +/- parcel. I don't think we intended to say that it should
be the original size including the 0.9 acre piece that the pump station is going on.
Actually, that is going into public ownership for a public purpose and so our intention
was really to say that the remaining parcel, if subdivided in the future, should be put up
again for consideration of parkland preservation. So, suggest something...
Chairperson Wilcox — So it would be based on the remaining size of the large parcel.
Mr. Dubow — I think John's concern was to the extent there was any ambiguity, the
understanding was that you are reserving the right in some point in the future preserve
6 acres of the 43.2 -acre remaining land.
Chairperson Wilcox — Are we suggesting any changes to the language?
Mr. Kanter — Where it ends based on the size of each of the individual parcels, I would
probably just change that to say, based on the size of the remaining parcel or of said
remaining parcel.
Chairperson Wilcox — If there is no further discussion, all those in favor please signal by
saying aye.
40 Board — Aye. The motion is passed unanimously.
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PB RESOLUTION NO. 2003 -081 - Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval, Coy
Glen Pump Station Two -Lot Subdivision, Coy Glen Road, Tax Parcel No. 3044.
MOTION made by Fred Wilcox, seconded by Kevin Talty.
WHEREAS:
1. This action is consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed two -lot subdivision located on Coy Glen Road between 209 and 231
Coy Glen Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 30 -1 -1, Residence District R -15.
The proposal is to subdivide off a 0.9 +/- acre parcel from the 44.1 +/- acre parcel
to be used by the Town of Ithaca for a new water pump station. Corners
Community Center, LLC, Owner; John Young, Contract Vendee; Town of Ithaca,
Applicant, and
2. This is an Unlisted Action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning Board, acting as
lead agency in environmental review with respect to Subdivision Approval, has
on September 16, 2003, made a negative determination of environmental
significance, after having reviewed and accepted as adequate a Short
Environmental Assessment Form Part 1, submitted by the applicant, and Part 11
prepared by the Town Planning staff, and
to 3. The Planning Board, at a Public Hearing held on September 16, 2003, has
reviewed and accepted as adequate drawings entitled "Coy Glen Pump Station
Subdivision Map Overview" (OV) dated 913103, "Coy Glen Pump Station
Subdivision Map" (1) dated 8118103, "Coy Glen Pump Station Berm and Planting
Plan" (2) dated 918103, prepared by the Town of Ithaca Engineering Department,
and other application materials.
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED:
1. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby waives certain requirements for
Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval, as shown on the Preliminary and
Final Subdivision Checklists, having determined from the materials presented
that such waiver will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of
subdivision control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the Town Board, and
2. That the Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary and Final Subdivision
Approval for the proposed two -lot subdivision on Coy Glen Road, Town of Ithaca
Tax Parcel No. 31 -1 -1, as shown on the drawings entitled "Coy Glen Pump
Station Subdivision Map Overview" (OV) dated 913103, "Coy Glen Pump Station
Subdivision Map" (1) dated 8118103, "Coy Glen Pump Station Berm and Planting
Plan" (2) dated 918103, prepared by the Town of Ithaca Engineering Department,
0 subject to the following conditions:
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a. submission of a signed Owner's Certificate, stating to the effect that
he /they own the land, that he caused the land to be surveyed and divided,
prior to signing of the plat by the Planning Board Chairman, and
b. submission for signing by the Chairman of the Planning Board of an
original or mylar copy of a current, updated subdivision plat with the
required survey information, surveyor's certificate and name and seal of
the surveyor, and three dark -lined prints, prior to filing with the Tompkins
County Clerk's Office, and submission of a receipt of filing to the Town of
Ithaca Planning Department.
AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED:
That the Planning Board finds that there is no current need for any parkland reservation
created by this proposed subdivision, and hereby waives the requirement for any
parkland reservation, as long as there is no further subdivision of the subject site. If
lots are proposed to be subdivided from the remaining +/- 43.2 acre parcel in the future,
then the Planning Board reserves the right to consider the reservation of parkland, or
fees in lieu thereof, based on the size of said remaining parcel.
The vote on the Motion resulted as follows:
AYES: Wilcox, Hoffmann, Mitrano, Thayer, Talty.
NAYS: None.
The motion was declared to be carried unanimously.
AGENDA ITEM: Distribution and preliminary discussion of the Draft Generic
Environmental Impact Statement for the proposed Town of Ithaca Zoning
Revisions.
Board Member Mitrano excused herself at 8 :30 p.m.
Chairperson Wilcox opened this segment of the meeting at 8 :30 p.m.
Chairperson Wilcox — Mr. Kanter, keep it short, please.
Mr. Kanter — Yes, sir. The main idea was just to save money on postage and to tell you
that the Town Board did accept this as complete and so the public comment period as
started. The Town Board set up the public hearing date for their October 2, 2003
meeting and set the deadline for comments for October 14, 2003. 1 think what we would
like to do is to reserve some time on your October 7th agenda. Give you a chance to
review it. In the Planning Board's resolution, we did make a positive recommendation
on the zoning revisions to the Town Board, but the board asked for an opportunity to
comment on the EIS, which we will do any way. So this will be the opportunity to do
that. Without taking too much time, I would suggest you take a look through it. Let us
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® know if you have any questions. There are two volumes here. Volume 1 is the actual
text of the environmental impact statement. Volume 2 really is the zoning ordinance
revisions in their entirety. Basically, it is the same draft dated January 15, 2003 that you
had previously with a couple minor additions. Some of them were included in the
Planning Board's resolution of recommendation dealing with bed and breakfasts in
Conservation Zones and things like that. For all purposes, this is really basically the
same proposed ordinance that you reviewed previously.
The EIS is pretty long. It is set up in a way that hopefully if you don't want to or need to
look at certain sections it is pretty easy to navigate your way through it. There is a
pretty full executive summary in the front, which gives a pretty brief idea of everything
included in the EIS. There is a growth inducing impact analysis, which was basically the
development potential analysis that compares the existing zoning with the proposed
zoning. I think that was a key part of the work that we all did. Try to take a pretty good
look at that. Basically, the conclusions of it are that we don't find any significant
negative impacts. In fact, the impacts that we do find are significant beneficial ones.
So, in terms primarily of lowering potential densities in the proposed agricultural and
conservations zones, you will find density reductions in the development potential
analysis.
But we also did some outlook at the demographic conditions of the Town population
• projections and where we seem to be going and are pretty confident that even with the
large reductions is development potential, there is still going to be plenty of room for
growth in the Town. Basically, the overall approach was to reduce densities in areas
that required open space and natural resource preservation, but to channel growth into
areas where infrastructure that support that kind of growth and really following the
recommendations of the Comprehensive Plan. It took a while to get those
Comprehensive Plan recommendation implemented, but here they are. As soon as we
adopt the zoning, it will be time to take a look at the Comprehensive Plan again and
make further recommendations. Please call us if you have any questions. Some of you
have sort of gone through the whole process with the Codes and Ordinance Committee.
Board Member Hoffmann — I think a good job was done if the environmental impacts are
positive whether than negative.
Mr. Kanter — That is the way it should be with all projects.
Chairperson Wilcox closed this segment of the meeting at 8:35 p.m.
AGENDA ITEM: Approval of Minutes: August 5, 2003 and September 2, 2003
Chairperson Wilcox — And as I always do, I will move approval of the minutes of August
5 and September 2, 2003.
• Board Member Thayer — I will second it.
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• Board Member Hoffmann — I have to bring up some things because there were some
resolutions missing and mixed up in both of them. In the August 5th one, on page 4,
there is a line missing saying the motion was made, but the motion is there. Then on
page 6, the SEQR resolution ended up on page 7 instead of where it should be on page
6. 1 have written down. If the resolutions are missing, then we have a problem.
In the September 2 minutes, on page 35, there is a SEQR resolution missing, too, and
the vote is missing. Then there were two other things here. On page 54, 1 think the
word "not" is missing. It should state, "I wish we had known earlier that this was causing
a problem between other people because that is obviously something that we would not
have intended to do." 1 just wanted to be sure that I had heard it the same way as
everybody else. Then on page 61, in the middle of the page Attorney Barney is talking
about the noise. The sentence starts, "we are right in the throws now of getting quotes
for decimeters ". I think it must be decibel meters.
Chairperson Wilcox - Those changes are acceptable to me. Larry?
Board Member Thayer — Yes
Chairperson Wilcox — All in favor?
• Board — Aye (Board Member Mitrano absent).
AGENDA ITEM: OTHER BUSINESS:
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Chairperson Wilcox — I will be at the Planning Federation in Lake Placid next week. I
wish other members of the Planning Board could have joined me. Any other business?
Motion to adjourn?
Board Member Thayer —Yes.
Chairperson Wilcox — So moved. We are adjourned at 8:40 p.m.
AGENDA ITEM: ADJOURNMENT
Upon MOTION, Chairperson Wilcox declared the September 16, 2003 meeting of
the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at 8:40 p.m.
Respectfully Submitted,
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Carrie Coates hitmore
Deputy Town Clerk
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Jonathan Kanter
From: Bruce Layton [blayton @twcny.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 4:53 PM
To: Jonathan Kanter; Susan Ritter; Mike Smith
Cc: blayton @twcny.rr.com
Subject: Update C Circle Parking lot
Update C Circle Parking lot
To Jonathan Kanter et al and the members of the Town Planning Board
Since last week, many more of the students who park in the College Circle area have
equipped their cars with the required red sticker.
The parking lot behind the first four buildings near the south entrance still looks underutilized.
I notice now that the southernmost existing lot near the soccer fields tends to be full of cars
overnight, presumably belonging to students who live in College Circle. Building them a new
lot 500 feet closer to College Circle wouldn't benefit them all that much; meanwhile please
consider how much it would discommode the wildlife that habitually travels back and forth
through the already narrow corridor between College Circle and the southernmost soccer field.
From the wording of the justification for building the new lot, it sounds as though IC was
interested in creating more parking for football games. There has NEVER been any problem
with College Circle students parking on the side of Danby Rd. near the main entrance to
College Circle; it just doesn't happen.
I wonder what the Fire Dept. thinks about having the driveway in back of the playing fields
chained off.
One very worrisome aspect of this whole proposal is that there hasn't yet been a serious test
whether all the new drainage devices at College Circle will work in a high water situation, and
here they go, saying it's all right and we'll put it underground and it'll still be all right.
Some of what's been done already is NOT all right.
The famous "rake" grating at the entrance to the water pipe between the Yntema and
Kirschman properties, had to be broken so that workmen could remove a big heap of shale
that had washed into the cement basin.
Bales of straw fastened crosswise to the stream in the ditch behind Kirschman's, didn't really
work; all too soon the water started to go around them, digging a hole into the bank and
bringing forth the shale that then piled up in the cement basin.
Recently the bales were removed and the streambed was lined with chunks of rock, and I can't
wait to see how it behaves when Hurricane Isabel comes. If you'd wait another week, we may
have a great opportunity to see how ALL the new water control devices work.
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One that especially concerns me is the new drainage tunnel that starts partway up the hillside,
in the woods north of CC #32. This tunnel entrance has no rake or anything to keep rocks and
branches out, and I would have said that having the entrance on an uphill slope was a bad
idea, but no one asked me. When I tried to get the QPK engineers to explain what they
planned for this area, they didn't answer my emails. If you walk in and look, you'll see this
entrance could develop problems soon. The large chunks of rock that have been brought in
are easily moved downhill by the force of water, and there's already some movement of them
towards the tunnel mouth. Debris is building up at the sides of the streambed, and, worse, at
one point there's a pile of shale building up that shows the stream could fill in its bed here and
overflow, heading for the proposed parking lot.
Near the SE corner of the soccer field, there's a grating that could have been very useful for
collecting runoff water in that area. Instead, it's elevated above the surrounding ground, so the
water runs right by it and down the new gravel road.
What about if the water at the entrance to these new tunnels freezes, and then there's more
run -off that can't get into the tunnels? Where do you think it goes?
Inside College Circle proper there are many drainage gratings that need to be cleared off
before a storm comes. I've noticed this same problem in the past over at Ithaca College itself.
Hurricane Isabel is sure to make puddles, but with some care taken ahead of time the puddles
don't have to be endless seas. But so far I don't see that the new tenants of College Circle are
taking that kind of care.
Yours,
Pauline Layton 1029 Danby Rd., Town of Ithaca
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215 North Tioga Street
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Tuesday, September 16, 2003
AGENDA
7:00 P.M. Persons to be heard (no more than five minutes).
7:05 P.M. SEQR Determination: Ithaca College /College Circle Apts. Parking Expansion, 953 & 1033
Danby Road.
7:15 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the
proposed construction of a +/- 118 -space parking lot for the College Circle Apartments with
additional walkway connections, new landscaping and lighting, and modifications to the
stormwater facilities. The parking lot is proposed to be located at the southern end of campus
between the existing soccer field and the College Circle Apartments, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel
No.'s 42 -1 -13.2, 43- 1 -2.2, and 43- 1 -2.3, Residence District R -15 and Multiple Residence.
Ithaca College and College Circle Associates, LLC / South Hill Land Associates, LLC, Owners;
QPK Design, Applicant; David A. Harding, Agent.
7:30 P.M. SEQR Determination: Town of Ithaca Pump Station 2 -Lot Subdivision, Coy Glen Road.
• 7:35 P.M. PUBLIC HEARING: Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the
proposed two -lot subdivision located on Coy Glen Road approximately 600 feet north of
Glenside Road, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 30 -1 -1, Residence District R -15. The proposal
is to subdivide off a 0.9 +/- acre parcel from the 44 +/- acre parcel to be used by the Town of
Ithaca for a new water pump station. Corners Community Center, Owner; Town of Ithaca,
Applicant.
7:45 P.M. Distribution and preliminary discussion of the Draft Generic Environmental Impact Statement
for the proposed Town of Ithaca Zoning Revisions.
7. Persons to be heard (continued from beginning of meeting if necessary).
8. Approval of Minutes: August 5, 2003 and September 2, 2003.
9. Other Business:
10. Adjournment.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
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Tuesday, September 16, 2003
By direction of the Chairperson of the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that Public Hearings will be
held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca on Tuesday, September 16, 2003, at 215 North Tioga Street,
Ithaca, N.Y., at the following times and on the following matters:
7:15 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed construction of a
+/- 118 -space parking lot for the College Circle Apartments with additional walkway
connections, new landscaping and lighting, and modifications to the stormwater facilities. The
parking lot is proposed to be located at the southern end of campus between the existing soccer
field and the College Circle Apartments, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.'s 42 -1 -13.2, 43- 1 -2.2,
and 43- 1 -2.3, Residence District R -15 and Multiple Residence. Ithaca College and College
Circle Associates, LLC / South Hill Land Associates, LLC, Owners; QPK Design, Applicant;
David A. Harding, Agent.
7:35 P.M. Consideration of Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval for the proposed two -lot
subdivision located on Coy Glen Road approximately 600 feet north of Glenside Road, Town of
Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 30 -1 -1, Residence District R -15. The proposal is to subdivide off a 0.9
+/- acre parcel from the 44 +/- acre parcel to be used by the Town of Ithaca for a new water
pump station. Corners Community Center, Owner; Town of Ithaca, Applicant.
Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all persons in support of such matters or objections
• thereto. Persons may appear by agent or in person. Individuals with visual impainnents, hearing impairments or
other special needs, will be provided with assistance as necessary, upon request. Persons desiring assistance must
make such a request not less than 48 hours prior to the time of the public hearings.
Dated: Monday, September 8, 2003
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Director of Planning
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TOWN OF ITHACA
PLANNING BOARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC
HEARINGS
Tuesday,
September 16, 2003
'By direction of the Chair-
person of the Planning
,Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY
GIVEN that Public Hearings
will be held by the Planning
Board of the Town of Ithaca
on Tuesday, September 16,
2003? at 215 North Tioga
Street, Ithaca, N.Y., at the
following times and on the
following matters:
7:15 P.M. Consideration
of Preliminary and Final Site
Plan Approval for the pro-
posed construction of a +/-
118 -space parking lot for
the College Circle Apart-
ments with additional walk-
way connections, new land-
scaping and lighting, and
modifications to the
stormwater facilities. , The
parking lot is proposed to
be located at the southern
end of campus between the
existing soccer field avid the
-College Circle Apartments,
Town of Ithaca Tax •Parcel 1
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No.'s 42 -1 -13.2, 43- 1.2.2,
and 43- 1 -2.3, Residence)
District R -15 and Multiple
Residence. Ithaca College
and Collegge Circle Associ-
ates, LLC % South Hill Land
,Associates, LLC, Owners;
QPK Design, Applicant; Do-
Yid A. Harding, Agent.
7:35 P.M. Consideration
moo+. Preliminary and Final
Subuvision Approval for the
lropo's%d two-lot subdivision
ocated Coy Glen Road
approximalu (q0 feet
north of G�e*side ku -.l
Town of Ithoca- lax Parcel
No. 30 -1.1, Residence Dis-
trict R -15. The proposal is
to subdivide off a 0.9 +/-
acre parcel from the 44 + / -,
acre parcel to be used by
the Town of Ithaca for a
new water pump station.
Corners Community Center,'
Owner; Town of Ithaca
i Applicant.
Said Planning Board will at
said times and said place
hear all persons in support
of such matters or objections
thereto. Persons may sp-
pear by agent or in person.
Individuals with visual im-
pairments, hearing impair-
ments or other special
needs, will be provided with
assistance as necessary,
upon request. Persons desir-
ing assistance must make
such a request not less than
48 hours prior to the time of
the public hearings.
Jonathan Kanter, AICP
Director of Planning
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September 8, 2003
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September 10, 2003
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