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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
APRIL 7, 1992
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The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on
Tuesday, April 7, 1992, in Town Hall, 126 East Seneca Street, Ithaca,
New York, at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chairperson Carolyn Grigorov, Robert Kenerson, Virginia
Langhans, Herbert Finch, William Lesser, Dan Walker (Town
Engineer), Floyd Forman (Town Planner), Chad Eiken
(Planning Technician).
ALSO PRESENT: Sybil Phillips, Claude Putnam, John Bargher, George
Sheldrake, Elsie McMillan, Elsie Sheldrake, Eleanor
Sturgeon, Jim Adams, Annabelle Manning, Ken
Baldassarre, Philip L. Cox, Tim Gray, W.B. Kerry, S.K.
Egan, Larry Fabbroni, Robert Chiang, Paul Jacobs'.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the meeting duly opened at 7:30
p.m. and accepted for the record the Clerk's Affidavit of Posting and
Publication of the Notice of Public Hearings in Town Hall and the
Ithaca Journal on Tuesday, March 31, 1992, and Thursday, April 2,
1992, respectively, together with the Clerk's Affidavit of Service by
Mail of said Notice upon the various neighbors of each of the
properties under discussion, upon both the Clerk and the Building
Commissioner of, the City of Ithaca, upon the Tompkins County
Commissioner of Planning, upon the Resident Engineer of the New York
State Department,of Transportation, and upon the applicants and /or
agents, as appropriate, on March 30, 19929
Chairperson Grigorov read the Fire Exit Regulations to those
assembled, as required by the New York State Department of State,
Office of Fire Prevention and Control.
PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDERATION OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL
AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE PROPOSED
"MINNIE'S BIQ1111 CONSISTING OF THE CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE
TO A RESTAURANT —TYPE OPERATION WITH PARKING AND LANDSCAPING
IMPROVEMENTS ON A SITE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF ELMIRA ROAD
(NYS RTE. 13) APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET SOUTH OF •ITS INTERSECTION WITH
SEVEN MILE DRI °VE. TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL NO. 6- 35 -1 -29, BUSINESS
"C" DISTRICT. KEN BALDASSARRE, OWNER /APPLICANT.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened and read aloud from the Notice of
Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted.above.
Attorney James Salk addressed the Board and stated that he was
representing the applicant Ken Baldassarre,
Attorney Salk said that for those who remember and don't remember
this. is an application that looks almost identical to one that was
before the Board beginning last February 1991, adding that it looks
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that was because in fact it is almost the identical application that
was before the Board last year for a number of Planning Board
meetings. Attorney Salk stated that he would quickly review the
history of the proposed application for this forum.
Attorney Salk stated that there were a number of very lengthy
discussions here regarding the impact on traffic on the Route 13
corridor, and some other matters as well, commenting that that formed
the basis of the Planning Board's determination to deny site plan
approval last June or July, he believed, 'of 1991. Attorney Salk
noted that there were two other objections, one being that the odors
would constitute a significant deleterious impact on the people in
the surrounding area, and secondly, neither public water nor public
sewer were available. Attorney Salk said that since last year's
rejection,, Mr. Baldassarre retained the services of a Traffic Engineer
by the name of Neal Denno,: adding that Mr. Denno prepared a report on
his Traffic Impact Study for the Board, and commenting that the
original report'!was shared with the Planning Department and, in fact,
he (Attorney Salk) had reviewed the Report with staff in November and
December of 1991.. Attorney Salk said that the staff asked for some
very specific lliquestions to be answered, and those answers were given
to them in December 1991,. adding that he again met with staff in
January 1992 to discuss' that information to find out if there were
anything else with regard to,the traffic, with regard to the odors,.
with regard to the site plan, or .anything else with regard to the
application that, they felt would be necessary or would be helpful in
helping the Board come to a decision, and from his (Attorney Salk's)
and. Mr.. .B,al:das.sa-rre's point of view, to come up with a favorable
decision.' Attorney Salk stated that the staff indicated to him that
they were satisf,ied_in early January 1992, _and the application was
mace within a very short period of time thereafter. Attorney Salk
stated that for reasons he has never explored they did not make the
February 1992 Planning Board meeting, however, on February 14, 1992
the Town Board changed the law. Attorney Salk stated that when he
met with the Board last year the proposed operation was a legal use
in Business Zone "C" and it is still a legal use in Business Zone
"C " , adding that last year that was all that was required. Attorney
Salk commented that now because of the February 14, 1992 Zoning
Ordinance', amendment, as he understands it, and as he has been told by
Town Planner Floyd Forman and the staff, they are now required to get
from the Board not only site plan approval but also a- recommendation
to the Zoning Board of Appeals whether they ought to. grant special
approval 'or not. Attorney Salk noted that the .change in the law
occurred on February 14, 1992 and the application was pending at the
time, and, at the time that Mr. Baldassarre spent a very considerable
amount of money necessary to commission the traffic study, the law
was different. Attorney Salk.noted that they had worked very, very
hard with 'the Board and with the Planning Department since that time
to come up with',what they think is a fair application. Attorney Salk
stated that he knows the Planning Board did not make the law, but it
has to be applied. Attorney Salk stated that he was not asking the
Board to c'omprom�ise their role in any way, but he did wish the Board
to take into consideration the long and circuitous road that Mr.
Baldassarre and Minnie's BQ has gone through to get to this point in
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that was because in fact it is almost the identical application that
was before the Board last year for a number of Planning Board
meetings. Attorney Salk stated that he would quickly review the
history of the proposed application for this forum.
Attorney Salk stated that there were a number of very lengthy
discussions here regarding the impact on traffic on the Route 13
corridor, and some other matters as well, commenting that that formed
the basis of the Planning Board's determination to deny site plan
approval last June or July, he believed, 'of 1991. Attorney Salk
noted that there were two other objections, one being that the odors
would constitute a significant deleterious impact on the people in
the surrounding area, and secondly, neither public water nor public
sewer were available. Attorney Salk said that since last year's
rejection,, Mr. Baldassarre retained the services of a Traffic Engineer
by the name of Neal Denno,: adding that Mr. Denno prepared a report on
his Traffic Impact Study for the Board, and commenting that the
original report'!was shared with the Planning Department and, in fact,
he (Attorney Salk) had reviewed the Report with staff in November and
December of 1991.. Attorney Salk said that the staff asked for some
very specific lliquestions to be answered, and those answers were given
to them in December 1991,. adding that he again met with staff in
January 1992 to discuss' that information to find out if there were
anything else with regard to,the traffic, with regard to the odors,.
with regard to the site plan, or .anything else with regard to the
application that, they felt would be necessary or would be helpful in
helping the Board come to a decision, and from his (Attorney Salk's)
and. Mr.. .B,al:das.sa-rre's point of view, to come up with a favorable
decision.' Attorney Salk stated that the staff indicated to him that
they were satisf,ied_in early January 1992, _and the application was
mace within a very short period of time thereafter. Attorney Salk
stated that for reasons he has never explored they did not make the
February 1992 Planning Board meeting, however, on February 14, 1992
the Town Board changed the law. Attorney Salk stated that when he
met with the Board last year the proposed operation was a legal use
in Business Zone "C" and it is still a legal use in Business Zone
"C " , adding that last year that was all that was required. Attorney
Salk commented that now because of the February 14, 1992 Zoning
Ordinance', amendment, as he understands it, and as he has been told by
Town Planner Floyd Forman and the staff, they are now required to get
from the Board not only site plan approval but also a- recommendation
to the Zoning Board of Appeals whether they ought to. grant special
approval 'or not. Attorney Salk noted that the .change in the law
occurred on February 14, 1992 and the application was pending at the
time, and, at the time that Mr. Baldassarre spent a very considerable
amount of money necessary to commission the traffic study, the law
was different. Attorney Salk.noted that they had worked very, very
hard with 'the Board and with the Planning Department since that time
to come up with',what they think is a fair application. Attorney Salk
stated that he knows the Planning Board did not make the law, but it
has to be applied. Attorney Salk stated that he was not asking the
Board to c'omprom�ise their role in any way, but he did wish the Board
to take into consideration the long and circuitous road that Mr.
Baldassarre and Minnie's BQ has gone through to get to this point in
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deciding the ;manner in which. the Board. is going to make a
recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Attorney Salk stated that he would turn to specific problems of
last year.
Attorney Salk said that the first one is the water and sewer.
Attorney ,Salk aistated that as he understands it from the Town
Engineer, municipal water and sewer are available to the site so he
did not believethat is a problem any longer, and he felt that any
further discussion of that can be dispensed with. Attorney Salk
noted that, the s!'econd problem was that of the odors constituting a
significant deleterious impact on the people in the surrounding area,
adding, with regard to that matter there was a great deal of
discussion: the many meetings held on the project.
Attorney Salk said that many of the issues were fairly aired, but
some of the issues he did. not think were given consideration..
Attorney Salk sajid that the Board did consider that this is a
business zone, and a restaurant or food service establishment is a
perfectly legal `legitimate use in this zone, and that has not been
changed by their new laws the use is one that is contemplated on this
site. Attorney.iSalk said that the particular applicant has many,
many mitigating,, factors that he has brought to bear for this
application. Attorney Salk stated that Mr. Baldassarre's intention
is to. operate only on weekends; it is .not all week long, _it is only
on weekends, and!!even on the weekends the hours are going to be
Limited, ladding that the _ ..app.l.ic.ant --is not talking about dawn to
midnight operation as many and most restaurants would be, or other
food.,establi.shments of that kind..- Attorney Salk stated th -at on the
Environmental Assessment Form it shows that the prevailing wind is
-away from; _the few residences that are close by this site, so that
means at least when the wind is prevailing, which is not always, but
when it is prevailing, which is most.of the time, the odors such as
they are, if we want to call them odors, will be carried away from
the house which is right next to the site and the few houses across
the street and down the road which are quite a bit more remote than
the house„ that is next to the site Attorney Salk said that, in
addition, the Board has the information regarding the fans, and was
satisfied that the fans cured the problem of the grease and the
smoke, butunot the odor,�commenting that they are not pretending it
does eliminate the odor,. or the aroma, as the way they like to think
of it; it certainly oes put it u in the air puts the odor u
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the air where it can be dispersed with less of an impact than it
would be if it were coming out at ground level. Attorney Salk said
that the other thing to consider is that-Mr. Baldassarre is proposing
a very limited menu; he is not going to have.a lot of different kinds
of greasy this and that and the other kinds of foods; one food is
basically going to be cooked there, and this is checken. Attorney
Salk said, that the EAF proposed by the professional staff concludes
that there is no significant adverse impact, which is quite different
from what was concluded last year; they have had more time to
consider it; it' was discussed with the staff and that is the
conclusion: that the professional staff comes up with. Attorney Salk
stated that he felt the most important point of all, which he did not
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see in any of. the Minutes in reviewing the matter, is that the odor
as it has been referred to, but the glorious fragrance -- some say it
is devine, given to us by the Gods. Attorney Salk commented that the
aroma being talked about is the aroma of barbecued chicken; one is
not talking about industrial waste or other toxic kinds of chemical.
Attorney Salk said that the aroma of barbecued chicken is simply not
a health hazard; the person who lives right next door may be annoyed
by it, which Attorney Salk and his client understand and they are
sympathetic to that, but it is not a health hazard; it is not
something that is deleterious to the general welfare of the
neighborhood; it simply isn't; the fragrance of barbecued chicken is
being talked about and let's keep that in perspective.
Continuing, Attorney Salk turned to the Traffic Report.
Attorney Salk stated that the Traffic Report clearly and without
qualification says much to the surprise of the Planning Department
and he thought they would be the first to admit it, nontheless, it
says that there is no adverse impact on Route 13 that will result
from the approval of this site plan -- Minnie's will not change
anything.1 Attorney Salk, referring to the traffic, stated that it's
bad, the applicant and his Attorney know it's bad; Floyd knows it's
bad; it "is bad and nobody is arguing that it is bad; the question
before the Board^ is -- is it going to be any worse, and the answer
from the l' expert is no, including the point that Town Planner Forman
has raised on any number of occasions about the turning actions into
the -site.!,! _ Attorney Salk-.stated -that the Transportation Consultant;
Neal Denno', has "done an actual count, looked at it and said -- no
adverse _: mp.ac:t,` there -wi.l.l be .no .delay or .no- significant delay _for
someone turning into the site, even from the righthand lane going
south. Attorney Salk stated that those are the facts that are before
the Board;-- there is no impact. Attorney Salk commented that, yes,
someone coming ,,out of the site.just as someone coming out onto Route
13 from Seven Mile Drive is going to have.to wait; they have to wait
now; they are- 'going to have to wait then, and they will not have to
wait in any way measurably longer and according to Mr..Denno's report
there will,be no perceptible change.
Attorney Salk stated that he believed the above were the facts
before the<Boardiand they were stated very forcefully. Attorney Salk
said that these facts take care of the concerns the Board had last
year, which he assumed are the same concerns the Board has this
year. Attorney Salk stated that he thought the concerns have been
addressed and they have been addressed fairly, and he believed the
Board's conclusion ought to be different; he thought it was incumbent
upon the Board to review the matter and to determine that the site
plan ought to libe approved,. adding that that is not the end of the
Board's job, as was discussed earlier -- now the Town Board has given
the Planning Board. an additional job; the Planning Board now has to
make some recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals regarding
whether or not Special Approval ought to be granted. Attorney Salk
stated that the Zoning Ordinance, Section 78, gives the factors in
making that determination. Attorney Salk said that,. Number 1, there
is a need for the proposed use in the proposed location; that one is
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easy. Attorney Salk commented that the summer is coming and noted
that there are two major State Parks right near the site and the
parks attract traffic. Attorney Salk stated that as far as he is
aware there are no concession stands at the parks, adding, people
need food and here is a great way to feed those hungry people who are
going to and from the park. Attorney Salk mentioned that, luckily
enough, right ,down the road there is Eddygate Farms so one can pick
up peppers; and tomatoes, and there is Earlybird Farm where one can
pick up the best corn in the Town of Ithaca and have a picnic.
Attorney Salk stated that, in addition, it is one of the major
corridors for „getting to and from home; what better location for an
establishment of,this kind. Attorney Salk commented that everyone is
concerned about tourists, but that happens to be one of the main
corridors between Elmira, NY and Ithaca, NY.
Attorney Salk said that the second point is the existing and
probable future; character of the neighborhood in which the use is to
be located „will not be adversely affected. Attorney Salk noted that
this is an area,,that has been parsed by the New York Court of Appeals
and by many courts following the Court of Appeals language in a case
called "North Shore Steak House ". Attorney Salk cited the quote from
that as being "the inclusion in a Zoning ordinance of a use permitted
by special permit in tantamount to a legislative finding that the use
is in harmony with the general zoning plan, and, that it will not
adversely affect the area. Attorney Salk stated that he thinks that
-:means that where _there is a legal use, as he felt is so in this
instance, and where the Town Board has stated it is a legal use,
unless .-it can- be,,shown to the contrary -it is deemed to be within the
general zoning plan and that it does not adversely affect the
area.. Attorney Salk stated that that happens to comply with the
environmental assessment form which also recommends finding a
negative declarations that is that there is no negative or adverse
effect to the area.
Attorney Salk said that another important point with regard to
the secondfrequirement is to remember that the new Town law has set
out a schedule {of what is allowed without permit and what is allowed
with permit for each business zone. Attorney Salk stated that with
regard to traffic there are many uses that are allowed without any
special permit where the traffic impact is equal to or greater than
that projected from Minnie's BQ -- it allows banks, for instance, and
there is no special approval required. It allows doctors' offices.
It allows dry cleaning; no special permit required. The dry cleaning
harks back to the question of odors; dry cleaning is alright but
Minnie's BQ is not okay. Attorney Salk commented that he is not sure
everyone understands what the difference is - in a given case he can
see what ',the difference is, but not in Minnie's BQ. Attorney Salk
offered that heating shops, monument works, printers, a dyer is
allowed without'' any approval, caterer, and the one that hit Attorney
Salk the most is a confectioner; the smell of candy can be put up in
the air and no approval is necessary. Attorney Salk stated that
"chicken ".needs an approval. Attorney Salk said that it seemed clear
to him that a positive recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals,
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given all the factors, is mandated, and he would ask the Board to do
that.
Finally, Attorney Salk stated that in reviewing the file today
at the Town Planning Department office he had the opportunity to look
at Town Planner Floyd Forman's memo to the Planning Board. Attorney
Salk stated that,;he was somewhat disappointed to see that Mr. Forman
sits on the fence or does not make a recommendation to the Board one
way or another; that is his prerogative, but there are a couple of
things to be pointed out so there is no misconception about them.
Attorney Salk offered that Mr. Forman said that he had a number of
concerns regarding short- and long -term impacts of the project, they
include the potential impact of traffic to and from the site,
especially leftli turning vehicles. Attorney Salk urged the Board to
take a look at the Report from the Traffic Consultant, Neal Denno -eee specific answer to Mr. Forman's comment regarding the left
turns. Attorney Salk stated that the Report makes it clear that
there will not: be any effect, and no delays, or at least no
significant delays in making the turning motion into Minnie's BQ.
The other' itew cited by Mr.. Forman is future land use planning
decisions for the area, which Attorney Salk said is the third
criteria .the Board is to look at. Attorney Salk said that he did not.
think the Board ;can hold Minnie's BQ to future planning concerns if
they are ,not on the table now. Attorney Salk wondered how they are
supposed to predict what the Board is going to do; the Board, he
would venture to say, probably can- t predict what they are goring -to
do. Attorney Salk stated that as far as he is aware there is no
- comprehensive plan of - development in the Town in place right now,
that is what the third criteria is, and he thought that is what Mr.
Forman isili referring to in his comments to the Board. Chairperson
Grigorog +stated, that the Comprehensive Plan is being written.
Attorney ,Salk responded -= it is being written, and that is terrific,
but they do not know what is being written, and.they are here before
the.Board ,tonight.
Board; Member Lesser asked for a point of clarification in that
it was mentionediearlier on in the presentation that Minnie's BQ
would be operating just weekends. Mr.. Lesser just wanted to
emphasize that the applicant, on the second page, stated that "I hope
to eventually. be in operation seven days a week from-April through
October". Attorney Salk stated that he thought he said the applicant
intends to operate on weekends. Mr. Lesser said that in his
planning, and based on the applicant's statement, he thought that at
some point in „time this is going to be a full -time operation, at
least through a large portion of the year. Attorney Salk responded
that they certainly want to reserve that right to expand; they did
not ask just for weekends; his point was that that was what the
intention is for the present time to see how things go, adding, the
other thing to remember is that even if it goes day to day during the
week they are not going to be talking about the kind of volume that
one talks "about on a summer weekend, so he thought the numbers being
talked about are significantly diminished.
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Board. Member Langhans stated that there was talk previously
about potato salads, this and that, etc. Ms. Langhans wondered if
that was for weekends and holidays only or .... Mr. Baldassarre
answered, weekends and holidays only. Ms. Langhans said that
Minnie's BQ would have not only chicken, but there would be other
salads to 'go with it. Mr. Baldassarre responded, yes, and it would
be all carry out -- there will be potato salad, macaroni salad,
baked beans -- if someone wants a dinner he can give them a dinner.
Ms. Langhans wondered about drinks such as Coca Cola, Pepsi, stuff
like that., Mr. Baldassarre answered, probably, yes.
Chairperson Grigorov asked if the filters in the fans, were
directional at all, or do they just go straight out the top and
wherever the wind takes it. Mr. Baldassarre said that the smoke is
drawn up and it goes through the filter. Chairperson Grigorov noted
that it cannot be directed.one way or another. Mr. Baldassarre said
that it cannot be directed' one way or another.
Chairperson Grigorov stated that she has a question since this
is the first.res,taurant that has come before the Board since the
change of, the law. Chairperson Grigorov said that what it mainly
does is give an ''extra level of review. Attorney Barney noted that it
changes the criteria a- little bit too; there are site plan
considerat „ions now. Attorney Barney stated that the Planning Board
is bas.ing,;. its Lrecommendation on the. same criteria that the Board
generally bases :;any recommendation to the ZBA; Article XIV, Section
78 of the Zoning Ordinance. Attorney Barney said that those are
criteria for theliirecommendations, but the Planning Board still has
-the same_ site -p';lan .approval. - Attorney Barney said that now there are
two sets o;f crit;eria to make a decision on; the project should meet
both. Attorney Barney, commenting on the reference to the
Comprehensive Plan and the statute, said that as he understands the
law there, does not have to be a written Comprehensive Plan, it can be
evidenced by a variety of things, the Zoning Ordinance is only really
one part,, the Subdivision Regulations, decisions actually made by
Boards along the way, can all be kind of incorporated in a text
called the comprehensive plan of development of the Town, it does not
have to be solely one instrument or one document. Attorney Salk
responded. ' he does not know if there is other than thoughts
here and here, but even if it were ... the Town Board has spoken on
this issue now, not terribly cheerfully for me, but they have set
this, and this is still a legal_ use.
Chairperson,Grigorov noted that this was a Public Hearing and.
asked if {l there were anyone from the public who had any comments or
questions.`
Sybil, Phillips of 721 Elmira Road addressed
that, her property is about 310 feet from
proposing.,to cook the chicken in. Ms. Phillips
unable to` attend the meeting that was held on
so she has, a couple of questions.
the Board and stated
the building they are
said that she was
this matter last year,
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Ms. Phillips stated that she was told it was an open pit and
wondered what kind of fuel would be used. Attorney Salk responded
that it is °not really an open pit. Mr. Baldassarre stated. that the
pit would: be enclosed on three sides by three -foot -high walls, open
only to the road,, and a hood over the pit. Attorney Barney wondered
if the pit was inside the building. Mr. Baldassarre answered, yes.
Secondly, Ms. Phillips wondered if the traffic study was done in the
summer or" winter. Attorney Salk responded that the study was done
Friday, August 23, 1991 and Saturday, August 24, 1991, adding; that
this was the time Ithaca College students were coming into Town. At
this pointy`, Ms. Phillips distributed copies of a petition to the
Board members. Ms. Phillips stated that she thought No. 6 could be
deleted if, the water and sewer has been approved and verified. [Copy
of petition attached hereto as Exhibit #1].
Ms. Phillips stated that she is quite allergic to smoke and if
the smoke „settle's in her yard, which is below the area, she' will be
unable tolgo outside in the summer as well as the winter, adding, she
cannot go ''outside now because of the heating methods of people around
the area.' Ms;,. Phillips distributed copies of a note from Dr.
Rubinstein, M.D.,, stating that Ms. Phillips has allergic problems.
[Note attached hereto as Exhibit #2]. Ms. Phillips stated that wood
smoke bothers he,r, and wondered if this was going to be different
from wood smoke; wood smoke is very toxic to her.. Ms. Phillips
wondered if this' °was the same BQ that was at Eddygate a few years
ago. Chairperson Grigorov answered, no.
Tim Gray of 657 Elmira Road addressed the Board and stated that
he was rep;resent'ng. the Grayhaven Motel, which is adjacent to the
proposed Project, Mr. Gray stated that they are definitely opposed
to the project, they were opposed last time and they are opposed
again. Mr. Gray said that the project will definitely cause traffic
problems at that location, and will cause problems during rush
hours. Mr. Gray stated that he could not believe that it will not
cause problems, one one can adjust the findings any way so that it seems
positive, °but it is really negative; there is a lot of traffic on
that road +and this project is going to add to the congestion of
people turning left, no matter how it is looked at. Mr. Gray noted
that leaving the,,site going south, or people coming south and turning
left into'', the liproperty is very dangerous. Mr. Gray said that the
Grayhaven Motel has ten motel units that are only 75 feet from the
proposed business, commenting that he thought it would be a detriment
to people staying at the motel. Mr. Gray mentioned that people
staying overnight might possibly have respiratory problems. Mr. Gray
said he did not 'see how the project can be approved. Mr. Gray stated
that the proposed operation is very close to a wilderness areas it is
not very fear from the wetlands and he would think there would be a
negative ;;effect" on the wetlands. Mr. Gray offered that it is a very
pleasing area tojlwalk in, but to have chicken smoke filtering down
the valley is not exactly what he thought the residents or any of the
property owners have in mind for that area. Mr. Gray said that there
is a deep', ravine behind the site that goes into the Inlet where there
is a lot of natural wildlife, adding that it is a long valley that
goes down to the railroad tracks and into the wetl.and, adding that he
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thought a lot of the smoke will filter down there. Mr. Gray stated
that George Sheldrake spends a lot of time in the wilderness.
Chairperson Grigorov asked who owned the land behind the site. Mr.
Sheldrake 'replied that it is the Inlet valley; there is a fishing
stream down through there. Mr. Gray offered that some of it is State
land; some of it is owned by the Cortright family, and some of, it he
believed is owned by Eddydale.
George Sheldrake of 174 Calkins Road spoke from the floor and
stated that he" owns the two houses located at 713 and 715 Elmira
Road. Mr.Sheldrake also stated that the Earlybird Farm is located
across the road. Mr. Sheldrake stated that the smoke is the main
concern; it is not the fragrance. Mr. Sheldrake said that the
Environmental Assessment Form, as it is written, does not take into
effect the;quali;ty of life that people are experiencing in the area.
Mr. Sheldrake commented that smoke may not be damaging to your health
in some certain instances, but it is going to be noticed all the time
and the smoke will be a nuisance. Mr. Sheldrake, referring to the
traffic, offered that last year there were 300 -500 cars per day. Mr.
Sheldrake^ said that it seems to him to be a traffic hazard, and it
also is going topbe rush hour. Mr. Sheldrake said that the operation
of the B'Q on weekends and holidays is also when the residents are at
home trying to enjoy their lifestyle. Mr. Sheldrake stated that he
assumed the prevailing wind is probably from the south. A voice from
the back of the-,room said that it would be prevailing westerly wind.
Mr. Sheldrake_ 'stated that he thought the smoke was coming the other
way and taking-the smoke toward the motel..
i
Eleanor Sturgeon of 718 Elmira Road stated that she has been at
this address for close to 40 years. Ms. Sturgeon said that it has
been a quiet residential neighborhood where the residents. have, been
able to bring up children, animals,. and generally enjoy the outside.
Ms. Sturgeon offered that up to about ten years ago the traffic was
livable. . Ms. 11 Sturgeon stated that she lost a dog on the road two
years ago,'', and she has to have a fence to keep her dog in. Ms.
Sturgeon commented on the heavy traffic on Elmira Road; it takes a
long time ''to get out of a driveway. Ms. Sturgeon stated that just
because it is „possible for the applicant to have a food business
there does, not mean that they have to have it the residents have
been there so long and their needs and their wishes should be
respected., Ms. sturgeon mentioned Ms. Phillips allergy problems in
that she' has allergy problems as well -- all the petroleum going by.
Ms. Sturgeon feels that the residents have rights; they have been
there a long 'time, and their rights as the oldest residents have to
be taken into consideration; they are entitled to that because they
were there first. Ms. Sturgeon mentioned that the residents might be
driven out because of the conditions. Ms. Sturgeon said that she
felt the ,'area would be badly affected.by the noises,. and the accident
rate goes 'up .
Elsie McMillan of 812 Elmira Road appeared before the Board and
stated that she' does not live in a place that is probably going to be
affected b'y the odor or the smoke, as she is far enough away. Ms.
McMillan noted' that.the Traffic Report indicated that there would be
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absolutely no increase in traffic.. Ms. McMillan said that a doctor "s
office schedules appointments; there is a steady flow of traffic but
there is not a peak time. Ms. McMillan offered that people tend to
eat about',the same time of day, and if there are six cars going south
on Route 13 and the occupants of the vehicles decide they want
chicken at 5:30 p.m. or 6:00 p.m. on a Saturday, then there is going
to be a problem with the traffic turning left. Ms. McMillan said
that Route 13 is a two -lane road and it would be hard getting around
the cars. Ms. McMillan stated that she felt the turning left problem
is the only reason the project should not be approved. Ms. McMillan
stated that none of the neighbors would be here if the application
were for °a different business - a business like a farm equipment
business or a lawn and garden business, where people would come in
off and on all day long. Ms. McMillan said that she did not think
this was an anti'= business atmosphere. Ms. McMillan stated that she
hoped the, Board did not see this as ,a bunch of homeowners who do not
want any business there.
Claude Putnam of 711 Elmira Road stated that he would like to
have some'' figures on the size of the pit. Mr. Baldassarre responded
that the pit would be 30 feet long and would be enclosed on three
sides by three -foot height walls, open only to the road, with a hood
over the pit. Mt. Putnam wondered how much grease the filters. would
take out before it goes in the air. Attorney Salk replied that it
would take';-out somewhere between 60 =70 percent. Mr. Putnam -asked
what would happen to the rest of it. Mr. Putnam stated that he used
to boil maple .syrup at the proposed_project site for 30 years, and
the wind .'that is prevailing is toward his house and toward Sybil's
house, andltoward George's house.
Mr. Putnam also expressed a traffic concern -- during rush hour
one cannot even walk across the road let alone drive across,
commentingthat coming from the south the vision is limited. Mr.
Putnam said that he is going to have to sit in his house all day long
with the smoke, and.once it gets in the house one cannot get it out,
adding that once it gets in his house and can't get back out he is
going to have problems with somebody.
George Sheldrake said that the grease smoke from chicken is
heavier than air, it does, not. go up like a lot of chemical smoke
does, or even wood smoke which stays up in the air.
Harley Steffy (no address given) addressed the Board and - stated
that the :last time he was before the Board he was representing Sybil
Phillips. Mr. Steffy stated that if the previous meeting notes were
checked it was'noted that less than 500 of the grease was removed by
precipitating it out that meant that there was still 50% at least,
or more, !going up into the air and being spread all over. Mr.
Putnam's house will get a good coat of it, and every other house
within probably a quarter of a mile will get a coat of grease. Mr.
Steffy said that the Traffic Report had no mention of the conditions
that already exist there, which is a minimum visibility of barely 500
feet. Mr. Steffy mentioned line of sight; a man standing, it is not
in a car. Mr. Steffy stated that he believed smoke will create an
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impossible situation; any smoke that goes onto the road will reduce
the stopping time of vehicles; also grease on the road will make the
road slippery, adding that he knows this firsthand because right in
front of .the Star Oil business by Buttermilk Falls he tried to stop
on his motorcycle, but could not because they had spilled oil on the
road. Mr. Steffy feels that all these things must be considered.
Mr. Steffy said he felt it would be ill- advised to come forward and
say that this is a proper use of that particular property.
Mr. Putnam commented that there are no services on that road at
the present time; and wondered how soon they would be there. Town
Engineer Dan Walker responded that the sewer and water service does
come to the property,.and the construction for the next phase is
anticipated to start in June or July of 1992. Mr. Walker said that
the property owner can be hooked up when the segments are pressure
tested and approved. Mr. Putnam wondered if he were right in that
there would not be any services to the property before September or
October 1992. Mr. Walker stated.that the property can be served by
the existing water and sewer, the sewer comes right to the property
line and ithere is a manhole right at the end of it. Mr. Putnam
responded that he knew that, but that it is abut 200 feet. Mr.
Walker replied ,that the applicant may have to put a long lateral in
to make it' serve that would be the applicant's responsibility. Mr.
Walker offered that the water service is across the road and could be
brought across, at the applicant's expense, if he wants to hookup now
rather than wait for the construction of the remainder of the main.
Mr. Walker ^noted that the Health Department governs food service
establishments as far as water supply is concerned.
Sybil,, Phillips again addressed the Board and wondered if there
were any air quality standards that would disallow putting wood smoke
or additional things like that in the air. Mr. Walker responded that
the air quality standards are based on a concentration of smoke in
the air. Mr. Walker said that. he believed that the ventilation
system Mr.. Baldassarre is proposing would dilute the discharge and
meet the air quality standards.
A voice from the back of the room wondered if it did not dilute
it, and, in fact;, was doing.-like everyone knows it will, what would
be the procedure then to close it down? Mr. Walker responded that
the Health Department governs that; adding that the entire restaurant
facility has to receive a Health Department approval prior to
operation.
Thereappearing to be no one else from the public who wished to
speak to ',;this matter, Chairperson Grigorov closed the Public Hearing
and brought the matter back to the Board for discussion.
Town Planner Forman stated that the memo from him, to' the
Planning Board,.; and dated April 2, 1992, expresses some.issues that
need to be looked at.
Mr. F,'orman 'referred to the three items under Section 78 of the
Zoning Ord'inance'.
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10 There is a need for the proposed use in the proposed
location.
Mr. Forman communicated that Attorney Salk advised the
Board why he thought there was a need for the use in the
proposed location. Mr. Forman commented that some of the
other things the Board may want to consider is the fact
that there are about five or six food restaurants a short
distance away from the proposed Minnie's BQ. Mr. Forman
said that he was sure that Mr. Baldassarrre's product is a
lot better than the fast food restaurants. Mr. Forman
mentioned that there is also Tops and Wegmans a short
distance away who make barbecued chicken. Mr. Forman said
that one can at least weigh the issues when one takes a
look at "is there a need for the proposed use in the
proposed location ".
2. The existing and probable future character of the
neighborhood will not be adversely affected.
Mr. Forman stated that the existing character of the
neighborhood is a mixed neighborhood in terms of uses, and
beyond'saying what has been heard from the residents-in the
area, 1who are the existing character of the neighborhood,
.he did�not.know that -any more needs to be said by him about
the existing character of the neighborhood. Mr. Forman
added that the probable future character of the
neighborhood is being addressed in the Comprehensive Plan.
-Mr.. Forman stated that a hard look _is being taken
concerning strip development in Inlet valley, and in other
places, so that there is not a situation that the neighbors
have expressed tonight about not being able to exit their
driveways. Mr. Forman offered that one of the things that
the Traffic Study does say, commenting that this does not
specifically relate to the proposed project, is that with
everything going on on Route 13 it is virtually impossible
to getllout of one's driveway or to get out of Seven Mile
Drive. Mr. Forman noted that the study states that the
proposed.project.is not terribly going to exacerbate it.
Mr. Forman noted that the study also said that there will
be little or no additional delay from the project itself,
but there is always incremental delay any time there is
another strip development, or any time there is another
curbcut.
3. The proposed change is in accordance with a comprehensive
plan of development of the Town.
Mr. Forman
stated
that it
is not strictly the-
Comprehensive
Plan, but
it is
also
the Zoning Ordinance
Subdivision
Regulations, etc., adding that one of the issues being
I
ooked. at now is strip development.
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At this point, Chairperson Grigorov said that Mr. Forman did.not
recommend .against the project. Mr. Forman responded that he had
heard that from someone else that he was sitting on the fence on
this. Mr.,Forman stated that he tried to do his best to just address
the issues'. and balance off what Attorney Salk had to say..
Board Member William Lesser asked for further comment on the
Traffic Study. Mr..Forman responded that in terms of the information
in the study it is accurate, and it is a.good study. Mr. Forman said
that the question is how much this project is going to make it such
that it is going to make it more difficult for-the neighborhood
residents. Mr. Forman noted that the Study comes to the conclusion
that it is minimal and Mr. Forman thinks that is reasonably
accurate. ^Mr. Forman stated that every time there is a strip
development, an additional strip that is being opened, and in this
case it is'not a'situation like.a doctor's office where there is a
steady stream of approximately two people per hour. The people going
to Minnie's BQ would be grouped in peak periods around lunchtime and
around dinnertime. Again, Mr. Forman said that he thought the
Traffic Study was fair, but he thought that there is always an
incremental increase, and even though it does not seem to change the
level of service "in terms of making a left -hand turn, it always
changes it incrementally.
Board Member Kenerson asked Ms. Phillips if she remembered what
the zoning was when she moved to the area, or was this before the
zoning was in for -ce. Ms Phillips responded that when she moved to
the 721 Elmira Rd. address in 1961 it was R -30. Mr. Kenerson asked
Mr. Putnam about boiling maple syrup on the proposed site. Mr.
Putnam replied that he had boiled maple syrup for years in the .exact
building that is being proposed as Minnie's BQ. Mr. Kenerson-
wondered what kind of effect that smoke had. Mr. Putnam responded
that that smoke went toward his house and toward Ms. Phillips house.
Mr. Kenerson wondered if they had maple smelling clothes. Mr. Putnam
answered, eyes. Ms. Phillips said that this was during the winter.
Ms. McMillan offered that the maple syrup boiling season is in March
and April; wood was used to boil the syrup. Mr. Putnam stated that
the reason'he and Mr. Brink never used that building to sell produce
was because the building is. on the wrong side of the road.
Mr. Steffy interjected -- when the State Police sit by the
motels and stop traffic or slow it down, it backs up all the way down
past Eddydale and the same thing goes for the other direction.
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Mr. I Forman said that much of what he gave to the Planning Board
was the issue about a recommendation to the ZBA, and, should the
Planning Board ,,decide in favor of the recommendation there are some
technical details that need to be worked out on the site plan, if a
recommendation is made to the ZBA.
Chairperson Grigorov said that she did not see how the Planning
Board cannot made a recommendation, that is their job. Mr. Forman
stated that he meant a positive or negative recommendation.
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Ms. Langhans commented that when
the evening the pit area is still going
Langhans said that the suggestion was
animals to it, as there will be residue
grate. Mr. Baldassarre responded th
and put them someplace.
April 7, 1992
the business is closed down in
to be open in front. Mse
made that the smell. will bring
of barbecued chicken on the
at he would take the grates off
Board Member Lesser stated that he would very much hate to see
that area turned into a strip development; he would like to see what
the various committees have to propose that would suggest an
alternative, adding that he would be very reluctant to approve
anything which might impede another development plan for the area
which could avoid a continuation of the City and of Route 13.
Chairperson Grigorov offered that there has not been any discussion
of that side of the road; it is not anything coming up very soon.
Board Member Kenerson said that with the availability of sewer and
water people are going to be attracted to the area, and in today's
world that is "cars ". Board Member Langhans asked about the
possibility of "a "trial ", can this be arranged for a year or just
weekends? "Mr. Lesser responded that when one puts an investment like
that in an area... Chairperson Grigorov said that that is up to Mr.
Baldassarre, but wondered if the Planning Board could do it. Ms.
Langhans mentioned the investment in that the building itself is
there; she thought the biggest investment would be the fans. Mr.
Lesser said that there is always a big investment in starting up a
business, advertising, training people, etc, Attorney Salk mentioned
the sprinkler system in that, given the previous discussions with the
Town and -the Health.Department, there.are quite a lot of requirements
for what appears'to be a small project.
Attorney Barney stated that he understood the business would be
open, initally,just weekends and holidays, Mr. Baldassarre said
that he would „be happy with that, Attorney Barney said that if the
Planning Board chose to grant the approval it could be conditioned so
that the "business would be limited to weekends and holidays; that
gives a "trial " - in terms of a part of the week. Attorney Salk
wondered if Mr+. Baldassarre would have to come back before the Board
if he wanted to expand the hours, Attorney Barney replied, yes.
Mr. Kenerson wondered if Mr. Baldassarre had. contacted the
Health Department. Mr. Baldassarre answered, yes,
Chairperson. Grigorov noted that the Planning Board received a
positive memo dated April 13, 1992, from the Tompkins County
Department of Panning regarding the proposal. [Memo attached hereto
as Exhibit, #3 ]a
Mr. Lesser commented that he thought if this proposal is
approved, what the Planning Board is approving is a full restaurant;
if it is weekends how can one say no to weeks if they are serving
cole slaw, soda; one cannot start limiting customers, menu, and
things like that -- how long is it going to be before the front is
filled in; -- it is going to be a restaurant. Attorney Barney stated
j that one cannot go in fear of what is going to happen in the future
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because
that are
require
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anything that alters the
imposed,; as long as they
coming back to the Board
April 7, 1992
site plan or alters the conditions
are reasonable conditions, would
for Special Approval..
Board'1 Member Finch commented that he would be
could sell,that many chickens, but Mr. Baldassarre i
is a market and, whether people would prefer a WE
Minnie's or not there is no way to tell that need fY
seen so far. Mr. Finch said that there is nothing t
not a need, except his bet. Mr. Finch, referring t
change is" in accordance with a comprehensive plan
the Town ", stated that he was concerned about what mz
area, but the Board has not given the applicant
says he is not in accordance with the Comprehensive
accordance° with the Zoning law that exists and hE
that much different from some of the other business
that area. Mr. Finch said he.did not see.how the F
surprised if they
s betting there
gman chicken to a
om what he has
hat says there is
o "The proposed
of development of
y happen in that
any guidance that
Plan; he is in
is certainly not
es that are in
oard can hold Mr.
Baldassarre to a Comprehensive Plan that may delay some of.the things
the Board; is concerned about in the whole area, and the applicant is
meeting the Zoning Ordinance. Town Planner Floyd Forman stated that
the proposal is an allowed use in a Business "C" Zone with a Special
Approval. Mr. Finch stated that he understood, from what Attorney
ir
Barney said, although there is not a Comprehensive Plan, basically,
what Mr. Baldassarre has to go on is what is in place, and that is
the zoning law: Attorney Barney commented -- and what we have done
in.other_areas, just-by Planning Board decisions, Zoning Board. of
Appeals decisions, and Town Board rezonings. Mr. Finch said that the
only argument he,can see Is with number two, "The existing -and
probable futureh character of the neighborhood will not be adversely
affected " ,!!in terms of the existing and probable future character.
Mr. Finch' °stated that he was not sure about the probable future; when
one says probable then says future that gives him two things that he
does not know about. Mr. Finch said that he was not trying to debate
whether it "is right or wrong at this point; he was just trying to
look at the criteria. Mr. Lesser stated that his interpretation of
the word "need" is somewhat different from Mr. Finch's. Mr. Lesser
said that as he understands it, Mr. Finch is saying, essentially,
market test; if it's economic, if it's financially viable, there is a
need for it, adding, if that is the case there is no point in putting
it in a law; the °best thing to do is to just let business go ahead
if it goes, fine - if it doesn't, fine. Mr. Lesser said that he
thinks the business is really in an inappropriate place to put it,
whether it is, or is not, financially viable. Mr. Lesser stated that
in terms of probable future character, to a large extent, that is in
the Board's hands. Chairperson Grigorov commented that only within
the zoning can the Board control.things. Ms. Langhans commented that
if strip 'development is being put every 200 -500 feet it is being
shaped in a way that is probably not the way the Board wants it
shaped. ,Chairperson Grigorov stated that as far as she knew the
Board has not disallowed anything because it was a strip development..
It was noted that this project, last time around, was site plan
approval. Mr. Lesser mentioned Cannon Pools which is a little bit
farther north on Elmira Road. Mr. Lesser said that the Board was
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very careful about the distance off the road, visibility from the
road, and the character of the building, adding that traffic was not
a factor there. Mr. Lesser said that it could have been proposed for
an automobile dealership, which would have a very different impact;
the Board would'' have looked at it quite differently from the business
that is presently there. Mr. Finch stated that he is still puzzled
over the existing character of the neighborhood.
Chairperson' Grigorov asked if there were any way of having a
buffer toward the residential zone. Ms. Langhans, directing her
comment to Mr.. , Forman, asked what the distance was between Minnie's
BQ and the;R -30 zone. Sybil Phillips of 321 Elmira Road answered,
310 feet., Attorney Barney stated that the buffer zone requirement is
a buffer zone between a commercial zone and a residential zone,
adding that he thought Mr.. Putnam's house at 711 Elmira Road,
regretfully or otherwise, is within the commercial zone, so it is not
a buffer zone between a commercial establishment and a residential
establishment; it is between zones. A voice from the audience
wondered, why then when Finger Lakes Tractor owned the land on the
other side of the road, and it was proposed to put -in an implement
building, ;the Board told him that he had to put in a buffer between
that building and his house -- and he owned the house. Chairperson
Grigorov responded that that was before her time. The voice said
that it was about four years ago. Attorney Barney offered that it
may have been the Zoning Board of Appeals. Mr. Forman stated that
that is not a viable issue here, even if the Board wanted to do it,,
one can't' make this thing work with it, there is no room to put a
buffer there even if the Board thinks it is a good idea. Attorney
Barney stated that the law on a buffer is a zone to zone requirement,
not building to building.requirement.
Ms. Langhans, commenting on the Traffic Study, stated that they
talked about cars entering and exiting the same side, adding that she
thought that would be a real headache. Attorney Salk stated that he
had aske& the traffic engineer to look at the worst case scenario,
and that is one of the things Mr. Forman wants to address -- what the
signage is going to be and what the traffic flow is going to be on
site.
Mr. Lesser stated that from his interpretation, and from his
reading, he cannot answer the three points positively. Mr. Lesser
said he did not feel there is particularly a need. Ms. Langhans
commented that it is not as though there isn't another eating place
around. Mr. Lesser agreed. Chairperson Grigorov said that to her
"need" means something urgent. Ms. Langhans added that it is a
convenience.
There, appearing to be no further discussion, Chairperson
Grigorov asked if anyone were prepared.to make a motion.
MOTION by Mr.. William Lesser, seconded by Mr. James Baker.
RESOLVED, that, in the matter of the consideration of Preliminary
Site Plan Approval and Recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals
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for the proposed " Minnie's BQ ", consisting of the conversion of an
existing structure to a restaurant -type operation with parking and
landscaping improvements on a site located on the southeast side of
Elmira Road (NYS Route 13) approximately 250 feet south of its
intersection with Seven Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.
6- 35 -1 -29, Business District "C", the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
determine and hereby does determine that.
10 There is not a need for the proposed use in the proposed
location;
2. The existing and probable future character of the neighborhood
in which the use is to be located will be adversely affected;
3. The
proposed change
is
not in accordance with a comprehensive
plan
of development of
the
Town.
IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, that said Planning Board find and hereby does
find
10 That there are numerous other eating facilities within the
immediate vicinity of the proposed restaurant -type operation
and, therefore, there is no compelling need for an additional,
eating facility;
2. That the character-of the neighborhood consists of a number of
residences in the area that would be adversely affected by the
odors, possibly the grease, and the traffic th -at- would be
generated by adding another quasi- commercial establishment in
the vicinity;
3. That the following.factors (a) the recent decisions that have
been made by the Planning Board with respect to fast -food
restaurants; (b) the planning that has occurred with respect to
the Zoning Ordinance and particularly the Zoning Ordinance
amendment requiring that a store of this nature obtain a
positive recommendation before the Zoning. Board of Appeals
considers an application for special approval, and (c) the
planning process which suggests that these kinds of uses need to
be looked at more closely prior to the granting of such special
approval, all indicate that the proposal to establish such a
fast -food restaurant is not consistent with the comprehensive
plan of the Town of Ithaca.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - Grigorov.
The MOTION was declared to be carried.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the matter of the consideration of
Preliminary Site Plan Approval and Recommendation to the Zoning Board
of Appeals for the proposed Minnie's BQ duly closed.
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PUBLIC HEARING. CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE
PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE CORNELL UNIVERSITY CENTRAL HEARING PLANT,
LOCATED ON THE,' SOUTH SIDE OF NYS ROUTE 366 IMMEDIATELY EAST OF THE
CITY /TOWN BOUNDARY. SAID EXPANSION IS TO CONSIST OF AN EXTENSION OF
THE BUILDING FOOTPRINT ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER OF THE STRUCTURE BY
APPROXIMATELY 408, SQUARE FEET TO ALLOW REPLACEMENT OF TWO EXISTING
BOILERS. TOWN, OF ITHACA TAX PARCELS NO. 6- 63 -1 -8.1 AND -8.2, LIGHT
INDUSTRIAL" DISTRICT. CORNELL UNIVERSITY, OWNER; JAMES ADAMS,
AGENT.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened. Chairperson Grigorov read aloud from
the Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted
above.
Philip Cox, Facilities Engineering, Cornell University,
addressed the Board and stated that Cornell proposes to replace two
boilers in,the Central Heating Plant, Mr. Cox said that boilers No.
6 and 7 are proposed to be replaced, adding that these boilers had
been installed in the Heating Plant about 1969. The boilers have
outlasted their economic life and have become a very high maintenance
piece of equipment, along with the fact that their reliability has
suffered. Each unit is capable of producing 110,000 pounds of steam
an hour. Mr. Cox noted that the replacement units would also produce
110,000 pounds jper hour. The only difference with the two is that
Cornell would build-in units which would produce steam at 400 pounds
psi, as opposed to the present units which produce 200 psi. The
higher pressure would coincide with the type of equipment Cornell
installed in a'; 1986 renovation. The plant would be expanded by a
distance of 12' X 431 to make room for -the boilers -- a portion of
exterior wall in southeast corner of building has to be removed to
take out the old boilers and put in the new. Mr. Cox said that one
slight difference between some of the earlier materials that Cornell
had submitted and the final construction plans is the windows in the
plant. The rendering before the Board shows an arched window, and,
in fact, that isligoing to be the appearance of them -- they will
mimic thel;other' windows that are in the plant. The architecture will
resemble the existing plant. Mr. Cox said that the two boilers that
are being„ replaced will be replaced with the same capacity they
will not provide ,'any more steam to campus.
Mr. Cox stated that
permission�� to extend
exceeding the limits in
be 43 feet.
Cornell is before the Board tonight for
a non - conforming building with a height
a Light Industrial District; the height will
Chairperson° Grigorov noted that
asked if anyone present wished to speak..
Grigorov closed the Public Hearing and
Board for discussion.
this was a Public
No one spoke.
brought the matter
There; appearing to be no further discussion,
Grigorov asked if anyone were prepared to offer a motion.
Hearing and
Chairperson
back to the
Chairperson
Planning Board 0`019- April 7, 1992
MOTION by Robert Kenerson, seconded by Virginia Langhans:
WHEREAS.
1. This action is the Consideration of Site Plan Approval for the
proposed expansion of the Cornell University Central Heating
Plant building footprint by 408 square feet to allow replacement
of two boilers, on a site located on the south side of NYS Route
366 immediately east, of the City /Town boundary, Town of Ithaca
Tax Parcels'No. 6- 63 -1 -8.1 and -8.2, Light Industrial District,
and
29 This Iis an Unlisted action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board ',;has been legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in
environmental review of the site plan, and
3. The Planning Board, at Public Hearing on April 7, 1992, has
reviewed the Long Environmental Assessment Form submitted by the
applicant and an environmental assessment of the proposed action
prepared byllTown Planning staff, a proposed site plan entitled
"Central Heating Plant Boiler 6 & 7 Replacement ", dated February
51 1992, revised March 31, 1992, prepared by Gryphon
International,' and other application materials, and
4. The Tompkins County Department of Planning has reviewed the
abovelisted materials pursuant to Sections 239 -1 and -m of the
New York State General Municipal-Law, and has indicated in its
report of March 9, 1992 that the project as proposed will have
no significant deleterious impact on intercommunity, County, or
State interests, and
59 The Town Planning staff has recommended that a negative
determination of environmental significance be made;
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED,
That ;the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative
determination of 'significance pursuant to the requirements of the New
York State Environmental Quality Review Act of the above - described
action and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be
required.
There "being,no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None:
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
MOTION BY William Lesser, seconded by James Baker:
WHEREAS.
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MOTION by Robert Kenerson, seconded by Virginia Langhans:
WHEREAS.
1. This action is the Consideration of Site Plan Approval for the
proposed expansion of the Cornell University Central Heating
Plant building footprint by 408 square feet to allow replacement
of two boilers, on a site located on the south side of NYS Route
366 immediately east, of the City /Town boundary, Town of Ithaca
Tax Parcels'No. 6- 63 -1 -8.1 and -8.2, Light Industrial District,
and
29 This Iis an Unlisted action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board ',;has been legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in
environmental review of the site plan, and
3. The Planning Board, at Public Hearing on April 7, 1992, has
reviewed the Long Environmental Assessment Form submitted by the
applicant and an environmental assessment of the proposed action
prepared byllTown Planning staff, a proposed site plan entitled
"Central Heating Plant Boiler 6 & 7 Replacement ", dated February
51 1992, revised March 31, 1992, prepared by Gryphon
International,' and other application materials, and
4. The Tompkins County Department of Planning has reviewed the
abovelisted materials pursuant to Sections 239 -1 and -m of the
New York State General Municipal-Law, and has indicated in its
report of March 9, 1992 that the project as proposed will have
no significant deleterious impact on intercommunity, County, or
State interests, and
59 The Town Planning staff has recommended that a negative
determination of environmental significance be made;
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED,
That ;the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative
determination of 'significance pursuant to the requirements of the New
York State Environmental Quality Review Act of the above - described
action and, therefore, an Environmental Impact Statement will not be
required.
There "being,no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None:
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
MOTION BY William Lesser, seconded by James Baker:
WHEREAS.
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18 This action is the Consideration of Site Plan Approval for the
proposed expansion of the Cornell University Central Heating
Plant building footprint by 408 square feet to allow replacement
of two boilers, on a site located on the south side of NYS Route
366 immediately east of the City /Town boundary, Town of Ithaca
Tax Parcels No. 6- 63 -1 -8.1 and -8.2, Light Industrial District,
and
2. This is an Unlisted action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board has been legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency in
environmental review of the site plan, and
39 The Planning Board, at Publ
reviewed the Long Environmental
applicant and an environmental
prepared by Town Planning staff
"Central Heating Plant Boiler
5, 1992, revised March 31,
International, and other applic
is Hearing on April 7, 1992, has
Assessment Form submitted by the
assessment of the proposed action
a proposed site plan entitled
6 & 7 Replacement ", dated February
1992, prepared by Gryphon
ation materials, and
4. The Tompkins County Department of Planning has reviewed the
above - listed materials pursuant to Sections 239 -1 and -m of the
New York State General Municipal Law, and has indicated in its
report of March 9, 1992 that the project as proposed will have
no significant deleterious impact on intercommunity, County, or
State interests, and
59 The proposed project will expand a building that exceeds the
maximum height allowed in the Light Industrial District (a
legal„ non - conforming condition), therefore, the authorization
of the Zoning Board of Appeals is required;
NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary
and Final Site Plan Approval for the proposed expansion of the
Cornell University Central Heating Plant by 408 square feet, and
related site improvements, as shown on a site plan entitled "Central
Heating Plant Boiler 6 & 7 Replacement ", dated February 5, 1992,
revised March 31, 1992, prepared by Gryphon International,
conditioned upon the granting of approval for the expansion of said
non - conforming building by the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals.
There appearing to be no further discussion, the Chair called
for a vote:
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the matter of Site Plan Approval
for the proposed expansion of the Cornell. University Central Heating
Plant duly closed.
Planning Board -21- April 7, 1992
PUBLIC HEARING: CORNELL UNIVERSITY - SE PRECINCT EARTH FILL.
CONSIDER RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS REGARDING
PROPOSAL TO PLACE FILL MATERIAL ON A PORTION OF TOWN OF ITHACA TAX
PARCELS NO.16- 64 -1 -1 AND -2. PROPOSED PROJECT WOULD INVOLVE PLACING
OF EARTH FILL TO IMPROVE DRAINAGE AND TO CONSTRUCT ROADWAYS
EVENTUALLY PROVIDING ACCESS TO EXISTING STORAGE YARDS AND POTENTIAL
BUILDING SITES. APPROXIMATELY 38,000 CUBIC YARDS OF FILL MATERIAL IS
TO BE PLACED ON APPROXIMATELY 10.4 ACRES BETWEEN ROUTE 366' AND
CASCADILLA CREEK, WEST OF GAME FARM ROAD, RESIDENCE DISTRICT "R -30.
CORNELL UNIVERSITY, OWNER; ROBERT CHIANG, AGENT.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the Public Hearing in the
above - noted" matter duly opened and read aloud from the Notice of
Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above.
Lawrence Fabbroni, of Cornell Facilities Engineering and Campus
Planning, Cornell University, addressed the Board and presented the
project summary, 'which is attached hereto as Exhibit #4.
Therebeing no further discussion, Chairperson Grigorov asked if
anyone were„ prepared to make a motion.
MOTION by Virginia Langhans, seconded by Herbert Finch:
WHEREAS:
1. This laction, is the Consideration of a Recommendation-to the
Zoning Board of Appeals regarding the placement of earth fill on
portions of; Town of Ithaca Tax Parcels 64. -1 -1 and 64. -1 -2;
approximately 38,000 cubic yards of material excavated -from the
site "of the Cornell vet School Primary. Teaching Facility will be
placed on approximately 10.4 acres of Cornell University land
located east of Cascadilla Creek to improve drainage and
construct access roadways to existing storage areas and
potential building locations, Residence District R -30.
2. The proposed project involves the
extraction and
deposit of more
than 2,500 cubic yards of
material
and has been referred
to the
Planning Board for its
recommendation
before
the Board of
Appeals makers its, final
decision,
pursuant to
Article XIII,
Section 70, paragraph
5 of the
Zoning ordinance
of the Town of
Ithaca.
3. The Planning Board has reviewed the materials in support of the
project submitted by the Applicant including:
if
a. "Engineering Report - Southeast Precinct Earth Fill
Project ", dated 21 February 1992, prepared by Cornell
Facilities Engineering and Campus Planning,
b.. Draft 'copies of Fig. 11 "Precinct 7 Topography" and Fig.
'!USACOE Wetland Boundaries ", undated, prepared for
D /GETS "by the LA Group,
c. Project Drawings including:
i) SE Precinct Site Map - Horizontal
2) SE Precinct Site Map - Grading &
iL
Alignment
Drainage
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3) SE Precinct Site Map - Possible Future Construction
4) SE Precinct Roadway - Profiles & Cross Sections
5) SE Precinct Roadway - Typical Details
undated and prepared by Cornell Facilities Engineering,
d. Long Environmental Assessment Form - Part 1, "Project
Information By Applicant" prepared by Robert Chiang of
Cornell Facilities Engineering, dated 21 February 1992.
4. The Town Engineer has reviewed the proposed plan and has
determined that the proposed plan.
a. Provides for appropriate erosion control during and after
construction;
b. Protects against adverse drainage on the subject property
and surrounding properties;
c. Provides for appropriate revegetation;
d. Provides for appropriate slope controls;
e. Does not adversely affect properties surrounding the
designated site both during and after removal or deposit of
the fill.
5. The Town Engineer has completed Part 2 - Project Impacts and
Their Magnitude, of the Long Environmental Assessment Form and
has determined that the project will not result in any large or
important impact and, therefore, is one which will not have a
significant impact on the environment, and recommends that the
Board 'of Appeals as lead agency prepare a- negative declaration
of environmental.significance.
6. The Town Planning Staff has reviewed the proposed project and
has raised no objections to the project as long as proper
sediment and erosion controls are provided.
79 The Town Engineer recommends issuance of a Fill Permit pursuant
to Article XIII, Section 70, paragraph 5 of the Zoning Ordinance
of the' Town of Ithaca for the proposed project.
THEREFORE, IT IS 'RESOLVED:
That the. Planning
Board of the Town
of Ithaca recommends that
the
Zoning Board
of Appeals approve the application
for a.fill permit
for
the Cornell
Southeast Precinct Earth
Fill project as shown
and
described in
following conditions.
the application materials
presented, subject to
the
1. Submission to and approval by the Town Engineer of a
construction sequence plan including.topsoil stockpile locations
and specific erosion control measures and proposed fill schedule
prior to the start of construction.
29 Submission to and approval by the Town Engineer of construction
details and specifications for drainage structures and culverts
prior to the start of construction.
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3. Submis!;sion to and approval by the Town Engineer of a vegetative
treatment specification and schedule prior to the start of
constr',',uction.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigo'rov, Kenerson, Langhans, Finch, Lesser, Baker.
Nay - None.:
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the matter of Cornell University -
SE Precinct, Earth Fill duly closed.
PUBLIC HEARING. COLLEGEVIEW SOUTH MOBILE HOME PARK SITE PLAN.
CONSIDERATION OF'SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR AN ADDITIONAL 13 MOBILE HOME
LOTS IN AN EXISTING MOBILE HOME PARK PURSUANT TO CONDITIONS LISTED IN
LOCAL LAW NO. 61 1987 AND AS AMENDED BY LOCAL LAW NO. 11 1992.
PROJECT IS LOCATED AT 136 SEVEN MILE DRIVE, TOWN OF ITHACA TAX
PARCELS NO.', 6- 33= 12 -1.2 AND 6- 33 -2 -2 IN THE RESIDENCE DISTRICT R -5.
PAUL AND LINDA JA'COBS. OWNERS: WILLIAM ALBERN. P.E.. AGENT.
Chairpersoni
Grigorov declared
the Public
Hearing in the
above -noted matter
duly opened and read
aloud from
the Notice of
Public Hearings a 1 s
posted and published
and as noted
above.
Bill �'Albern addressed the Board and stated that the matter
before the ;Board (;tonight is the ..addition of _13 double wider homes to
the existing mobile home park. Mr. Albern said that the plan is
basically the same drawing that was submitted about a year ago --
there was a delay" subject to having the sewer and water available.
Mr. Albern offered that there is a intermittent stream flowing
through the ' property. Mr. Albern noted that Mr. Jacobs has committed
the entire ,project to go on public water.
There' being no further discussion, Chairperson Grigorov asked if
anyone were prepared to offer a motion.
MOTION by Robert Kenerson, seconded by James Baker.
WHEREAS.
10 This a',ction is the consideration of Site Plan Approval for the
propos „ed increase from 52 to 65 in the number of mobile home
lots allowed in Collegeview South Mobile Home Park located at
136 Seven ,Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcels No. 6- 33 -2 -1.2
and 6- 33 -2 -2;, Residence District R -5, and
29 This is an Unlisted action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board'i is legislatively determined to act as Lead_Agency in
environmental review with respect to the proposed site plan,.and
Planning Board -24- April 7, 1992
39 Local Law No. 6 -1987, as amended by Local Law No. 1- 1992,
accomm''odates the proposed increase of 13 mobile home units, and
4. The Plannin' „g Board, at Public Hearing on April 7, 1992, has
reviewed and accepted as adequate the Long Environmental
Assessment Form consisting of Part I, as prepared by the
applicant, and Parts II and III as completed. by the Town
Planning staff, and has reviewed the proposed site plan entitled
"Expansion, Collegeview South Mobile Home Park ", dated December
21 191191, revised March 23, 1992, prepared by William F. Albern,
P.E., ;;and other application materials, and
59 The Town Planning staff has recommended a negative determination
of environmental -significance with respect to the proposed site
plan,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED:
That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby makes a negative
determination o'f environmental significance pursuant to the
requirements of the New York State Environmental Quality Review Act
for the above- described action and, therefore, an Environmental
Impact Statement will not be required.
There being no further - questions or comments, the Chair called
for a vote.
Aye - Grigo',rov, Kenerson, Baker,.Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None .6
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
MOTION by Herbert Finch, seconded by Robert Kenerson:
WHEREAS:
10 This action is the consideration of Site Plan Approval for the
proposed increase from 52 to 65 in the number of mobile home
lots °allow4d in Col.legeview South Mobile Home Park located at
136 Seven Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcels No. 6- 33 -2 -1.2
and 61,33- 2 -2`, Residence District R -5, and
2. This is.an Unli.sted action for which the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board,'; acting as Lead Agency in environmental review with
respect to 'the proposed site plan, has, on April 7, 1992, made a
negative determination of significance, and
3. The Planning Board,, at Public Hearing on April 7, 1992, has
reviewed the Long Environmental Assessment Form and an
environmental assessment of the proposed action prepared by the
Town Planning staff, a proposed site plan entitled "Expansion,
CollegeviewSouth_Mobile Home Park ", dated December 2, 1991,
revised March 23, 1992, prepared by William F. Albern, P.E., and
other application materials, and
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4. Local ;,Law No. 6 -1987, as amended by Local Law No. 1 -1992,
accommodates, the proposed 'increase of 13 mobile home units, and
5. Local Law. No. 6 -1987, as amended by Local Law No. 1 -19921
requires that the Planning Board, in its review of the site
plan, 'make the following findings:
a. That no significant impact has occurred by reason of the
installation of the first 52 units hereunder (inclusive of
I
he original park area), and
b. That there will be no further significant impact by the
Installation of up to 13 additional units,
NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED.
10 That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby determines that no
significant impact has occurred by reason of the.installation of
the first 52, units inclusive of the original Park area, and
2. That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board also determines hereby
that there will be no further significant impact by the
installation of up to 13 additional units, and
39 That the Town of Ithaca Planning Board hereby grants Preliminary
and Final Site Plan Approval to the proposed expansion of the
Collegeview ,,,South Mobile Home_ Park by 13 _lots (from 52 to 65 )
and related site improvements, as shown on the site plan
entitled "Expansion, Collegeview South Mobile Home Park ", dated
11 December 2, 1991, revised March 23, 1992, prepared by William F.
Albern, P.E., subject to the following conditions:
a. Approval by the Town Engineer of proposed soil erosion and
sedimentation control measures, and
b. Modification of said site plan to show the footprint of
the building on Lot #58 rotated clockwise approximately
450, in order that the building be moved farther from the
existing drainageway.
There l!' being no further questions or comments, Chairperson
Grigorov asked if anyone were prepared to offer a motion.
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carred unanimously.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the consideration of Site Plan
Approval for an additional 13 mobile home lots in an existing mobile
home park duly closed.
AGENDA ITEM:PERSONS TO BE HEARD
Planning Board -26- April 7, 1992
There were no persons present to speak before the Board.
Chairperson, Grigorov closed this segment of the meeting.
APPROVAL OF! MINUTES.- 7/2/91
MOTION by Robert Kenerson, seconded by James Baker.
RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
Meeting of ;July 2, 1991, are approved with the following addition:
10 That,lon Page 5 of the July 2, 1991 minutes the three Nay votes
with respect to the Laketop Proposed Site Plan be explained that
'when the Board talked about giving Mr..Weisburd the three lots,
they actually were giving him double occupancy on each lot,
which ,is a total of six instead of four
There 11beingino further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None..„
The MOTION was carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - 7/16/91
MOTION by Virginia Langhans, seconded by Herbert Finch:
RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
Meeting of July_1!6, 199.1,.are approved with the following correction:
10 That, on Page 13, Paragraph 3, sentence number one should
read "Chairperson Grigorov stated that the most promising
aspect she heard was the idea of a few large lots combined
with cluster of smaller lots on level area at the top, but
plan is about the same as last time."
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigo';rov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None
The MOITION was carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - 9/3/9.1
MOTIONiby Herbert Finch, seconded by Virginia Langhans:
RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
11 Meeting of September 3, 1991, are approved as presented.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - None.
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The MOTION was carried unanimously.
AGENDA ITEM: REPORT OF THE TOWN PLANNER
Town Planner Forman stated that, hopefully, the Planning Board
and the Town Board members will choose a candidate the first Planning
Board meeting in May.
Mr. Floyd offered that the Comprehensive Planning Committee took
a look at a! number of alternatives with respect to land use. Mr.
Forman said that the GEIS is moving along on schedule, adding that
the GEIS is scheduled for the second meeting in May.
ADJOURNMENT
Upon Motion, Chairperson Grigorov declared the April 7, 1992
meeting of ';the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned.
Mary S. Bryant, Recording Secretary
Town of Ithaca Planning Board.
To: Chairman, Planning Board
Town of Ithaca
We, the undersigned, object to the approval of Minnie's Bar -
pB -Q to be located in the 700 block of the Elmira Road 'Route 13)
IOur reasons for this objection ire:as.f,ollows:
1. Traffic hazard
a. Rush hour traffic is now bumper to bumper (@ 50 mph).
b. Cars turning in or '.'.coming out will slow traffic and
create additional hazards.
C. Cars crossing traffic will have a major impact on
safety and traffic flow.
d, Open -pit emitting smoke could inhibit visibility de-
„pending upon wind direction$
f2. Odors and smoke could be obnoxious and toxic and make
outdoor use of our properties untenable.
3. Grease released into the air will damage nearby buildings
nand can create major problems•, for those persons with respir-
„atory ailments.
II4, Odors will draw both domestic and wild animals to the area.
5 Open-pit may create ash deposits throughout the neighborhood,
6 No water, sewer or electricity.
Drainage- ground contamination of wetlands, inlet and lake,
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We, the undersigned, object to the approval of Minnie's Bar-
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B-Q tof'be located in the 700 block of the Elmira Road !Route 13).
Our reasons for this objection are as.follows:
1. Traffic hazard
a. Rush hour traffic is now bumper to bumper (C 50 mph).
b. '„ Cars turning in or doming out SJi ll show traffic a:: <.f
create additional hazards.
Coll Cars crossing traffic will have a major impact on
safety and traffic flow.
d.'„ Open -pit emitting smoke could inhibit visibility de-
pending upon wind direction.
2. Odors and smoke could be obnoxious and toxic and make
outdoor use of �o.ur properties untenable.
3. Grease released into the air will damage nearby buildings
and can create major roblems:, for those persons with respir-
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atory ailments.
4. Odors will draw both domestic and wild animals to the area.
5. Open -pit may create ash deposits throughout the neighborhood.
6. No"water, sewer or electricity.
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Drainage- ground contamination of wetlands, inlet and lake.
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Chairman, ,Planning Board
Town of Ithaca
A good zoning plan requires a buffer zone between high impact businesses, such
as MinnieIS BQ, and residential areas.
In addition, Town Boards should make their decisions based on the good of the
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majority, not the good of one party.
We realize, that Minnie's BQ does not need a zoning variance and will not be
seeking one, but that does not change the situation.
As concerned landowners and renters, we have come before you tonight to sub-
..
mit our list of objections regarding the proposed Minnie's BQ.
We wish to note that the attached petition has been signed by every residential
householdl'in the 'surrounding area.
By approving the establishment of Minnie's BQ in our neighborhood, the Town
would be infringing on the rights of the area residents to enjoy full use of
their properties as they were zoned when they purchased them.
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Adult and Pediatric Allergy
Cortland Ithaca Elmira
109 West Road 840 Hanshow Road 216 W. Gray Street
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DEPARTMENT OF PLANNING
Biggs Building A, 30LHarris B. Dates Drive
Ithaca, New York 14850,1,'
James W. Hanson, Jr. w Telephone
Commissioner of Planning (607) 2745360
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TO: Richard Eken, Planner I ��'i � � ; •�: � . -n ; �
Town of Ithaca
FROM: James W. °Hanson, Jr., Commissioner
yep.. —r
DATE: April 3, 1992
RE: Zoning Review Pursuant to §239 -1 and -m of the New York State General
Municipal Law
Action: Minnie's BQ. Tax Map No. 6- 35-1 -29.
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This memorandum acknowledges your referral of the proposal identified above for review and
comment by the Tompkins County Planning Department pursuant to §239 -land -m of the New
York State General Municipal Law.
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tted, will have no signlficant deletenous impact on lntercominunity�'
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-� P g p t, and you' are free-to act witfiout prejU' d_ f .
Please inform us of your decision so that we can make it a part of the record.
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PROJECT SUMMARY
The project is;; located in the Southeast Precinct of Cornell Lands in Tompkins County Tax Parcels
64 -1 -1 and 64 -1 -2. The project consists of placing earth fill to construct roadways and regrading.
Proposed roadways will provide access to existing storage yards and potential building sites.
During construction of this project, certain existing drainage problems will be alleviated. Fill
material used;;to construct the embankments of this project will be imported from the Cornell Vet
School Primary Teaching Facility site.
Restoration of the area will consist of fine grading and seeding of all disturbed ground with
suitable ground cover vegetation. Sediment runoff during construction will be controlled by silt
dams located in the existing and newly constructed drainage ways. All road construction will be
located at least 400' (four - hundred feet) away from Cascadilla Creek. All fill operations will be
located at least 150' (one - hundred fifty feet) away from Cascadilla Creek.
Materials included with this application include plans for the horizontal alignment; grading,
drainage, and sediment runoff control of the proposed roadway and cleanup area; longitudinal
profiles for the roadway and service drive; cross sections of existing and finished grades; a plan of
possible future construction; typical details for drainage structures, roadway pavements, sediment
runoff protection and associated constructions, and soil boring logs of the proposed fill material.
MOTIVATION FOR PROJECT
Proposed roadways will provide access to an existing fenced storage yard used by the Laboratory
of Nuclear Studies. Current access to the yard is achieved by a driveway located between the
Campus Stores Warehouse and a Grounds Department structure for storage of salt and grit.
The proposedroadways will also provide access to potential building sites. A warehouse building
has been proposed to provide for the storage needs of the Maintenance and Service Operations
organization. The prob' "able location will be east of the existing General Receiving building.
This project also includes plans to place two to four feet of fill in areas south and east of the library
annex building, and east of the tributary to Cascadilla Creek. These areas have been used as
stockpile locations for building materials, soil, stones, and logs. The fill will be used to restore
these areas to a natural looking landscape.
A structure for enclosed storage has been proposed for the Laboratory of Nuclear Studies facility to
be located within their fenced yard. This project would provide access to this proposed new
building.
The Southeast Precinct is currently under study to develop a GEIS report regarding potential
development of the area. The Cornell Campus Planning Department anticipates the Southeast
Precinct to be an area !,of future development for research and teaching facilities. This project
would begin to provide access to those developments.
Construction of this project will provide remediation of existing drainage problems east and west
of the General Receiving building. The project will provide space to develop landscape
improvements along the west side of the General Receiving building facing Palm Road. The
project will also initiate reorganization and cleanup of a storage yard located south of the General
Receiving building. Fill operations of this project will complete reclamation of open spaces
adjacent to the'. Town of Ithaca Recreation way.
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DESIGN RATIONALE
In addition to the design requirements established by the project functions listed above, three other
factors influenced the design process. This project constitutes part of a proposed connection
between Tower Road to Central Campus and Game Farm Road, and Stevens Road to the areas east
and south of Cornell. 'The proposed horizontal alignment.for this project has been designed to
meet the future needs of a connector road from engineering and aesthetic considerations.
The proposed,; horizontal alignment for this project also roughly parallels a sanitary sewer main
installed in 1991 as part of a campus wide remediation project to discontinue the use of individual
septic tank sewage treatment systems. The sewer line was designed and constructed specifically to
serve the Poultry Science and Agricultural Waste Research facilities, and also for potential future
development.' By aligning this proposed roadway with the existing sewer system, two pieces of
infrastructure will be in place to serve future development.
Scheduling of;'this project is to be coordinated with construction of the Cornell Vet School Primary
Teaching Facility. By utilizing fill obtained from the Vet School excavation, this project will be
constructed ava great savings to the university.
PROJECT CONSTRUCTION
Earthwork
Topsoil stripped from the construction areas will be stockpiled to be used for final grading and
reclamation. Fill required to construct the embankments of this project will be hauled from the
Cornell Vet School Primary Teaching Facility site. Excavation for the Vet School project is
expected to begin in early spring of 1992.
Soil boring logs taken over the Vet School project area are included at the end of this report. The
soil borings show the suitability of the fill material for roadway subdifes.
S,.a► ".-1e.
Proposed final grading is shown on the enclosed plans. Maximum embankment side slopes shall
be 3' (three feet) horizontal to 1' (one foot) vertical. The top 6" (six inches) of soil shall be topsoil
suitably placed and prepared to support vegetative cover.
Estimated quantities of fill to be placed as a part of this project are 8,000 cubic yards to construct
roadways and '130,000 cubic yards for regrading operations.
Site Restoration
All areas disturbed by construction shall be fine graded with topsoil and seeded with a suitable
ground cover vegetation to minimize future problems of erosion and sediment runoff. Landscape
improvements along the west side of the General Receiving building facing Palm Road and along
the entire length of Palm Road will be installed as a part of an upcoming road paving project.
Drainage
Site drainage shall be accomplished by means of surface drainage ways, culverts, and a system of
catch basin inlets and underground piping.
Contributory drainage areas affecting the project site are delineated on the enclosed maps. The
overall drainage area is limited by NYS Rt. 366 on the north, Game Farm Road to the east, and the
existing topographic high on the west.
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15X0 it 0/
Construction of this project will allow correction of surface drainage problems near the existing
General Receiving building. Storm runoff from a large area of the southeast precinct is currently
directed to an open ditch located immediately east of the General Receiving building. The storm
drainage then flows to a culvert and eventually enters a tributary to Cascadilla Creek. The
proposed service drive embankment will intercept the surface runoff farther east of the General
Receiving building and direct the water through a series of open ditches and culverts to the existing
tributary.
Storm drainage along the existing Palm Drive roadway is currently conducted by open ditches and
culverts to a ditch immediately west of the General Receiving building. This project will finish
previous construction to relocate Palm- Road to achieve a straight horizontal alignment and better
vertical alignment. By straightening Palm Road, the roadway will be moved away from the
General Receiving building. This will allow the drainage to be moved away from the building
foundation and provide space for landscaping improvements in front of the building.
Sediment Runoff Control
Sediment runoff protection will be installed along existing and newly created drainage ways. The
protection will be installed during construction and maintained until vegetative cover is established.
All road construction will be at least 400 feet away from Cascadilla Creek. The space between the
creek and construction consists of approximately 250 feet of agricultural fields and 150 feet of
sloping ground covered with trees and low ground cover vegetation. Fill operations will not take
place within 150 feet of Cascadilla Creek.
Sediment runoff protection structures will be placed in the newly constructed ditches and in the
tributary to Cascadilla Creek in the approximate locations shown on the plans. The structures will
be constructed of hay bails and filter fabric, pegged to prevent leakage or movement as shown on
details.
CONCLUSIONS
Construction of this project will provide access to existing and proposed facilities and building
sites. The construction will allow remediation of existing drainage and storage problems, and
provide space to develop landscaping improvements to the General Receiving site. This project
will initiate reorganization and cleanup of the General Receiving storage yard and end stockpiling
near the Library Annex to create an open space buffer.
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EXCERPT /PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF April 7, 19920
PUBLIC HEARING: CONSIDERATION OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL
AND RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS FOR THE PROPOSED
"MINNIE'S BQ," CONSISTING OF THE CONVERSION OF AN EXISTING STRUCTURE
TO A RESTAURANT -TYPE OPERATION WITH PARKING AND LANDSCAPING
IMPROVEMENTS ON A SITE LOCATED ON THE SOUTHEAST SIDE OF ELMIRA ROAD
(NYS RTE. 13) APPROXIMATELY 250 FEET SOUTH OF ITS INTERSECTION WITH
SEVEN MILE DRIVE. TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL NO. 6- 35 -1 -29, BUSINESS
"C" DISTRICT. KEN BALDASSARRE, OWNER /APPLICANT.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened and read aloud from the Notice of
Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above.
Attorney James Salk addressed the Board and stated that he was
representing the applicant Ken Baldassarre.
Attorney Salk
this is an appl
before the Board b
that way because
said that
ication
eginning
in f act
for those who remember and don't remember
that looks almost identical to one that was
last February 1991, adding that it looks
it is almost the identical application that
was before the Board last year for a number of Planning Board
meetings. Attorney Salk stated that he would quickly review the
history of the proposed application for this forum.
Is Attorney Salk stated that there were a number of very lengthy
discussions here regarding the impact on traffic on the Route 13
corridor, and some other matters as well, commenting that that formed
the basis of the Planning Board's determination to deny site plan
approval last June or July, he believed, of 1991. Attorney Salk
noted that there were two other objections, one being that the odors
would constitute a significant deleterious impact- on the people in
the surrounding area, and secondly, neither public water nor public
sewer were available. Attorney Salk said that since last year's
rejection Mr. Baldassarre retained the services of a Traffic Engineer
by the name of Neal Denno, adding that Mr. Denno prepared a Report on
his Traffic Impact Study for the Board, and commenting that the
original report was shared with the Planning Department and, in fact,
he (Attorney Salk) had reviewed the Report with staff in November and
December of 1991. Attorney Salk said that the staff asked for some
very specific questions to be answered, and those answers were given
to them in December 1991, adding that he again met with staff in
January 1992 to discuss that information to find out if there were
anything else with regard to the traffic, with regard to the odors,
with regard to the site plan, or anything else with regard to the
application that they felt would be necessary or would be helpful in
helping the Board come to a decision, and from his (Attorney Salk's)
and Mr. Baldassarre's point of view, to come up with a favorable
decision. Attorney Salk stated that the staff indicated to him that
they were satisfied in early January 1992, and the application was
made within a very short period of time thereafter: Attorney Salk
stated that for reasons he has never explored they did not make the
February 1992 Planning Board meeting, however, on February 14, 1992
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• the Town Board changed the law. Attorney Salk stated that when he
met with the Board last year the proposed operation was a legal use
in Business Zone "C" and it is still a legal use in Business Zone
"C ", adding that last year that was all that was required. Attorney
Salk commented that now because of the February 14, 1992 Zoning
ordinance amendment, as he understands it, and as he has been told by
Town Planner Floyd Forman and the staff, they are now required to get
from the Board not only site plan approval but also a recommendation
to the Zoning Board of Appeals whether they ought to grant special
approval or not. Attorney Salk noted that the change in the law
occurred on February 14, 1992 and the application was pending at the
time, and, at the time that Mr. Baldassarre spent a very considerable
amount of money necessary to commission the traffic study, the law
was different. Attorney Salk noted that they had worked very, very
hard with the Board and with the Planning Department since that time
to come up with what they think is a fair application. Attorney Salk
stated that he knows the Planning Board did not make the law, but it
has to be applied. Attorney Salk stated that he was not asking the
Board to compromise their role in any way, but he did wish the Board
to take into consideration the long and circuitous road that Mr.
Baldassarre and Minnie's BQ has gone through to get to this point in
deciding the manner in which the Board is going to make a
recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals.
Attorney Salk stated that he would turn to specific problems of
last year.
• Attorney Salk said that the first one is the water and sewer.
Attorney Salk stated that as he understands it from the Town
Engineer, municipal water and sewer are available to the site so he
did not believe that is a problem any longer, and he felt that any
further discussion of that can be dispensed with. Attorney Salk
noted that the second problem was that of the odors constituting a
significant deleterious impact on the people in the surrounding area,
adding, with regard to that matter there was a great deal of
discussion throughout the many meetings held on the project.
Attorney Salk said that many of the issues were fairly aired, but
some of the issues he did not think were given consideration.
Attorney Salk said that the Board did consider that this is a
business zone, and a restaurant or food service establishment is a
perfectly legal legitimate use in this zone, and that has not been
changed by the new law; the use is one that is contemplated on this
site. Attorney Salk said that the particular applicant has many,
many mitigating factors that he has brought to bear for this
application. Attorney Salk stated that Mr. Baldassarre's intention
is to operate only on weekends; it is not all week long, it is only
on weekends, and even on the weekends the hours are going to be
limited, adding that the applicant is not talking about dawn to
midnight operation as many and most restaurants would be, or other
food establishments of that kind. Attorney Salk stated that on the
Environmental Assessment Form it shows that the prevailing wind is
• away from the few residences that are close by this site, so that
means at least when the wind is prevailing, which is not always, but
when it is prevailing, which is most of the time, the odors such as
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PLANNING BOARD
they are, if we want to call them odors, will be carried away from
the house" which is right next to the site and the few houses across
the street and down the road which are quite a bit more remote than
the house that is next to the site. Attorney Salk said that, in
addition, the Board has the information regarding the fans, and was
satisified'; that the fans cured the problem of the grease and the
smoke, but not the odor, commenting that they are not pretending it
does eliminate the odor, or the aroma, as the way they like to think
of it, it certainly does put it up in the air, puts the odor up in
the air where it can be dispersed with less of an impact than it
would be if it were coming out at ground level. Attorney Salk said
that the other thing to consider is that Mr. Baldassarre is proposing
a very limited menu, he is not going to have a lot of different kinds
of greasy this and that and the other kinds of foods; one food is
basically going to be cooked there, and that is chicken. Attorney
Salk said' that the EAF proposed by the professional staff concludes
that there'is no significant adverse impact, which is quite different
from what was concluded last year; they have had more time to
consider it; it was discussed with the staff and that is the
conclusion' that the professional staff comes up with. Attorney Salk
stated that he felt the most important point of all, which he did not
see in any of the Minutes in reviewing the matter, is that the odor
as it has been referred to, but the glorious fragrance -- some say it
is devine, given to us by the Gods. Attorney Salk commented that the
aroma being talked about is the aroma of barbecued chicken, one is
not talking about industrial waste or other toxic kinds of chemical.
Attorney Salk said that the aroma of barbecued chicken is simply not
a health hazard, the person who lives right next door may be annoyed
by it, which Attorney Salk and his client understand and they are
sympathetic to "that, but it is not a health hazard; it is not
something that is deleterious to the general welfare of the
neighborhood; it simply isn't; the fragrance of barbecued chicken is
being talked about and let's keep that in perspective.
Continuing, Attorney Salk turned to the Traffic Report.
Attorney Salk stated that the Traffic Report clearly and without
qualification says -- much to the surprise of the Planning Department
and he thought they would be the first to admit it, nontheless, it
says that there is no adverse impact on Route 13 that will result
from the approval of this site plan -- Minnie's will not change
anything. 11 Attorney Salk, referring to the traffic, stated that it's
bad, the applicant and his Attorney know it's bad; Floyd knows it's
bad; it is bad and nobody is arguing that it is bad; the question
before the 'Board is -- is it going to be any worse, and the answer
from the expert is no, including the point that Town Planner Forman
has raised on any number of occasions about the turning actions into
the site.1 Attorney Salk stated that the Transportation Consultant,
Neal Denno,, has done an actual count, looked at it and said -- no
adverse impact, there will be no delay or no significant delay for
someone turning into the site, even from the righthand lane going
south. Attorney Salk stated that those are the facts that are before
the Board there is no impact. Attorney Salk commented that, yes,
someone coming out of the site just as someone coming out onto Route
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(4)
April 7, 1992
• 13 from Seven Mile Drive is going to have to wait; they have to wait
now, they are going to have to wait then, and they will not have to
wait in any way measurably longer and according to Mr. Denno's report
there will be no perceptible change.
Attorney Salk stated that he believed the above were the facts
before the Board and they were stated very forcefully. Attorney Salk
said that these facts take care of the concerns the Board had last
year, which he assumed are the same concerns the Board has this
year. Attorney Salk stated that he thought the concerns have been
addressed and they have been addressed fairly, and he believed the
Board's conclusion ought to be different; he thought it was incumbent
upon the Board to review the matter and to determine that the site
plan ought to be approved, adding that that is not the end of the
Board's job, as was discussed earlier -- now the Town Board has given
the Planning Board an additional job; the Planning Board now has to
make some recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals regarding
whether or not Special Approval ought to be granted. Attorney Salk
stated that the Zoning Ordinance, Section 78, gives the factors in
making that determination. Attorney Salk said that, Number 1, there
is a need for the proposed use in the proposed location; that one is
easy. Attorney Salk commented that the summer is coming and noted
that there are two major State Parks right near the site and the
parks attract traffic. Attorney Salk stated that as far as he is
aware there are no concession stands at the parks, adding, people
need food and here is a great way to feed those hungry people who are
• going to and from the park. Attorney Salk mentioned that, luckily
enough, right down the road there is Eddygate Farms so one can pick
up peppers and tomatoes, and there is Earlybird Farm where one can
Pick up the best corn in the Town of Ithaca and have a picnic.
Attorney Salk stated that, in addition, it is one of the major
corridors for getting to and from home, what better location for an
establishment of this kind. Attorney Salk commented that everyone is
concerned about tourists, but that happens to be one of the main
corridors between Elmira, NY and Ithaca, NY.
Attorney Salk said that the second point is the existing and
probable future character of the neighborhood in which the use is to
be located will not be adversely affected. Attorney Salk noted that
this is an area that has been parsed by the New York Court of Appeals
and by many, courts following the Court of Appeals language in a case
called "North Shore Steak House ". Attorney Salk cited the quote from
that as being "the inclusion in a Zoning Ordinance of a use permitted
by special° permit is tantamount to a legislative finding that the use
is in harmony with the general zoning plan, and, that it will not
adversely affect the area. Attorney Salk stated that he thinks that
means that where there is a legal use, as he felt is so in this
instance, and where the Town Board has stated it is a legal use,
unless it can be shown to the contrary it is deemed to be within the
general zoning plan, and that it does not adversely affect the area.
Attorney Salk stated that that happens to comply with the
environmental assessment form which also recommends finding a
negative declaration; that is that there is no negative or adverse
effect to the area.
EXCERPT /MINNIE'S BQ (5) April 7, 1992
` PLANNING BOARD
• Attorney Salk said that another important point with regard to
the second requirement is to remember that the new Town law has set
out a schedule of what is allowed without permit and what is allowed
with permit for each business zone. Attorney Salk stated that with
regard to traffic there are many uses that are allowed without any
special permit where the traffic impact is equal to or greater than
that projected from Minnie's BQ -- it allows banks, for instance, and
there is no special approval required. It allows doctors' offices.
It allows dry cleaning; no special permit required. The dry cleaning
harks back to the question of odors; dry cleaning is alright but
Minnie's BQ is not okay. Attorney Salk commented that he is not sure
everyone understands what the difference is - in a given case he can
see what the difference is, but not in Minnie's BQ. Attorney Salk
offered that heating shops, monument works, printers, a dyer is
allowed without any approval, caterer, and the one that hit Attorney
Salk the most is a confectioners the smell of candy can be put up in
the air and no approval is necessary. Attorney Salk stated that
"chicken" needs an approval. Attorney Salk said that it seemed clear
to him that a positive recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals,
given all the factors, is mandated, and he would ask the Board to do
that.
Finally, Attorney Salk stated that in reviewing the file today at
the Town Planning Department office he had the opportunity to look at
Town Planner Floyd Forman's memo to the Planning Board. Attorney
Salk stated that he was somewhat disappointed to see that Mr. Forman
IS sits on the fence or does not make a recommendation to the Board one
way or another; that is his prerogative, but there are a couple of
things to be pointed out so there is no misconception about them.
Attorney Salk offered that Mr. Forman said that he had a number of
concerns regarding short- and long -term impacts of the project; they
include the potential impact of traffic to and from the site,
especially left turning vehicles. Attorney Salk urged the Board to
take a look at the Report from the Traffic Consultant, Neal Denno
the specific answer to Mr. Forman's comment regarding the left
turns. Attorney Salk stated that the Report makes it clear that
there will not be any effect, and no delays, or at least no
significant delays in making the turning motion into Minnie's BQ.
The other item cited by Mr. Forman is future land use planning
decisions for the area, which Attorney Salk said is the third
criteria the Board is to look at. Attorney Salk said that he did not
think the Board can hold Minnie's BQ to future planning concerns if
they are not on the table now. Attorney Salk wondered how they are
supposed to predict what the Board is going to do; the Board, he
would venture to say, probably can't predict what they are going to
do. Attorney Salk stated that as far he is aware there is no
comprehensive plan of development in the Town in place right now,
that is what the third criteria is, and he thought that is what Mr.
Forman is referring to in his comments to the Board. Chairperson
Grigorov stated that the Comprehensive Plan is being written.
Attorney Salk responded -- it is being written, and that is terrific,
but they do not know what is being written, and they are here before
the Board tonight.
EXCERPT /MINNIE'S BQ (6) April 7, 1992
PLANNING BOARD
• Board Member Lesser asked for a point of clarification in that it
was mentioned earlier on in the presentation that Minnie's BQ would
be operating just weekends. Mr. Lesser just wanted to emphasize that
the applicant, on the second page, stated that "I hope to eventually
be in operation seven. days a week from April through October ".
Attorney Salk stated that he thought he said the applicant intends to
operate on weekends. Mr. Lesser said that in his planning, and based
on the applicant's statement, he thought that at some point in time
this is going to be a full -time operation, at least.through a large
portion of the year. Attorney Salk responded that they certainly
want to reserve that right to expand; they did not ask just for
weekends; his point was that that was what the intention is for the
present time to see how things go, adding, the other thing to
remember 'is that even if it goes day to day during the week they are
not going to be talking about the kind of volume that one talks about
on a summer weekend, so he thought the numbers being talked about are
significantly diminished.
Board Member Langhans stated that there was talk previously about
potato salads, this and that, etc. Ms. Langhans wondered if that was
for weekends and holidays only or ... Mr. Baldassarre answered,
weekends and holidays only. Ms. Langhans said that Minnie's BQ would
have not only chicken, but there would be other salads to go with
it. Mr. Baldassarre responded, yes, and it would be all carry out --
there will be potato salad, macaroni salad, baked beans -- if
someone wants a dinner he can give them a dinner. Ms. Langhans
• wondered about drinks such as Coca Cola, Pepsi, stuff like that. Mr.
Baldassarre answered, probably, yes.
Chairperson Grigorov asked if the filters in the fans were
directional at all, or do they just go straight out the top and
wherever the wind takes it. Mr. Baldassarre said that the smoke is
drawn up and it goes through the filter. Chairperson Grigorov noted
that it cannot be directed one way or another. Mr. Baldassarre said
that it cannot be directed one way or another.
Chairperson Grigorov stated that she has a question since this is
the first restaurant that has come before the Board since the change
of the law. Chairperson Grigorov said that what it mainly does is
give an extra level of review. Attorney Barney noted that it changes
the criteria a little bit too; there are site plan considerations
now. Attorney Barney stated that the Planning Board is basing its
recommendation on the same criteria that the Board generally bases
any recommendation to the ZBA; Article XIV, Section 78 of the Zoning
Ordinance. Attorney Barney said that those are criteria for the
recommendations, but the Planning Board still has the same site plan
approval. Attorney Barney said that now there are two sets of
criteria to make a decision on, the project should meet both.
Attorney Barney, commenting on the reference to the Comprehensive
Plan and the statute, said that as he understands the law there does
not have to be a written Comprehensive Plan, it can be evidenced by a
• variety of things, the Zoning Ordinance is only really one part, the
Subdivision Regulations, decisions actually made by Boards along the
way, can all be kind of incorporated in a text called the
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PLANNING BOARD
• comprehensive plan of
solely one instrument
he does not know if
but even if it were ..
not terribly cheerfu
still a legal use.
development of the Town, it does not have to be
or one document. Attorney Salk responded that
there is ... other than thoughts here and there,
. the Town Board has spoken on this issue now,
lly for me, but they have set this, and this is
Chairperson Grigorov noted that this was a Public Hearing and
asked if there were anyone from the public who had any comments or
questions.
Sybil.
Phillips of
721 Elmira Road addressed
the Board and stated
that her
property is
about 310 feet from
the building they are
proposing
to cook the
chicken in. Ms. Phillips
said that she was
unable to
attend the
meeting that was held on
this matter last year,
so she has
a couple of
questions.
Ms. Phillips stated that she was told it was an open pit and
wondered what kind of fuel would be used. Attorney Salk responded
that it is not really an open pit. Mr. Baldassarre stated that the
pit would be enclosed on three sides by three - foot -high walls, open
only to the road, and a hood over the pit. Attorney Barney wondered
if the pit was inside the building. Mr. Baldassarre answered, yes.
Secondly, Ms. Phillips wondered if the traffic study was done in the
summer or winter. Attorney Salk responded that the study was done
Friday, August 23, 1991 and Saturday, August 24, 1991, adding that
• this was the time Ithaca College students were coming into Town. At
this point, Ms. Phillips distributed copies of a petition to the
Board members. Ms. Phillips stated that she thought No. 6 could be
deleted if the water and sewer has been approved and verified. [Copy
of petition attached hereto as Exhibit #1].
Ms. Phillips stated that she is quite allergic to smoke and if
the smoke settles in her yard, which is below the area, she will be
unable to go outside in the summer as well as the winter, adding, she
cannot go outside now because of the heating methods of people around
the area. Ms. Phillips distributed copies of a note from Dr.
Rubinstein, M.D., stating that Ms. Phillips has allergic problems.
[Note attached hereto as Exhibit #2]. Ms. Phillips stated that wood
smoke bothers her, and wondered if this was going to be different
from wood smoke; wood smoke is very toxic to her. Ms. Phillips
wondered if this was the same BQ that was at Eddygate a few years
ago. Chairperson Grigorov answered, no.
Tim Gray of 657 Elmira Road addressed the Board and stated that
he was representing the Grayhaven Motel, which is adjacent to the
proposed project. Mr. Gray stated that they are definitely.opposed
to the project; they were opposed last time and they are opposed
again. Mr. Gray said that the project will definitely cause traffic
problems at that location, and will cause problems during rush
hours. Mr. Gray stated that he could not believe that it will not
• cause problems; one can adjust the findings any way so that it seems
positive, but it is really negative; there is a lot of traffic on
that road and this project is going to add to the congestion of
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• people turning left, no matter how it is looked at. Mr. Gray noted
that leaving the site going south, or people coming south and turning
left into the property is very dangerous. Mr. Gray said that the
Grayhaven Motel has ten motel units that are only 75 feet from the
proposed business, commenting that he thought it would be a detriment
to people staying at the. motel. Mr. Gray mentioned that people
staying overnight might possibly have respiratory problems. Mr. Gray
said he did not see how the project can be approved. Mr. Gray stated
that the proposed operation is very close to a wilderness area; it is
not very far from the wetlands and he would think there would be a
negative effect on the wetlands. Mr. Gray offered that it is a very
pleasing area to walk in, but to have chicken smoke filtering down
the valley is not exactly what he thought the residents or any of the
property owners have in mind for that area. Mr. Gray said that there
is a deep ravine behind the site that goes into the Inlet where there
is a lot of natural wildlife, adding that it is a long valley that
goes down to the railroad tracks and into the wetlands, adding that
he thought a lot of the smoke will filter down there. Mr. Gray
stated that George Sheldrake spends a lot of time in the wilderness.
Chairperson Grigorov asked who owned the land behind the site. Mr.
Sheldrake replied that it is the Inlet Valley; there is a fishing
stream down through there. Mr. Gray offered that some of it is State
land; some of it is owned by the Cortright family, and some of it he
believed is owned by Eddydale.
George Sheldrake of 174 Calkins Road spoke from the floor and
• stated that he owns the two houses located at 713 and 715 Elmira
Road. Mr. Sheldrake also stated that the Earlybird Farm is located
across the road. Mr. Sheldrake stated that the smoke is the main
conern; it is not the fragrance. Mr. Sheldrake said that the
Environmental Assessment Form, as it is written, does not take into
effect the quality of life that people are experiencing in the area.
Mr. Sheldrake commented that smoke may not be damaging to your health
in some certain instances, but it is going to be noticed all the time
and the smoke will be a nuisance. Mr. Sheldrake, referring to the
traffic, offered that last year there were 300 -500 cars per day. Mr.
Sheldrake said that it seems to him to be a traffic hazard, and it
also is going to be rush hour. Mr. Sheldrake said that the operation
of the BQ on weekends and holidays is also when the residents are at
home trying to enjoy their lifestyle. Mr. Sheldrake stated that he
assumed the prevailing wind is probably from the south. A voice from
the back of the room said that it would be prevailing westerly wind.
Mr. Sheldrake stated that he thought the smoke was coming the other
way and taking the smoke toward the motel.
Eleanor Sturgeon of 718 Elmira Road stated that she has been at
this address for close to 40 years. Ms. Sturgeon said that it has
been a quiet residential neighborhood where the residents have been
able to bring up children, animals, and generally enjoy the outside.
Ms. Sturgeon offered that up to about ten years ago the traffic was
livable. Ms. Sturgeon stated that she lost a dog on the road two
• years ago, and she has to have a fence to keep her dog in. Ms.
Sturgeon commented on the heavy traffic on Elmira Road; it takes a
long time to get out of a driveway. Ms. Sturgeon stated that just
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• because it is possible for the applicant to have a food business
there does not mean that they have to have it; the residents have
been there so long and their needs and their wishes should be
respected. Ms. Sturgeon mentioned Ms. Phillips allergy problems in
that she has allergy problems as well -- all the petroleum going by.
Ms. Sturgeon feels that the residents have rights; they have been
there a' long time, and their rights as the oldest residents have to
be taken,into considerations they are entitled to that because they
were there first. Ms. Sturgeon mentioned that the residents might be
driven out because of the conditions. Ms. Sturgeon said that she
felt the area would be badly affected by the noises, and the accident
rate goes up.
Elsie McMillan of 812 Elmira Road appeared before the Board and
stated that she does not live in a place that is probably going to be
affected by the odor or the smoke, as she is far enough away. Ms.
McMillan noted that the Traffic Report indicated that there would be
absolutely no increase in traffic. Ms.'McMillan said that a doctor's
office schedules appointments; there is a steady flow of traffic but
there isinot a peak time. Ms. McMillan offered that people tend to
eat about the same time of day, and if there are six cars going south
on Route 13 and the occupants of the vehicles decide they want
chicken at 5:30 p.m. or 6:00 p.m. on a Saturday, then there is going
to be a problem with the traffic turning left. Ms. McMillian said
that Route 13 is a two -lane road and it would be hard getting around
the cars. Ms. McMillan stated that she felt the turning left problem
• is the only reason the project should not be approved. Ms. McMillan
stated that none of the neighbors would be here if the application
were for a different business - a business like a farm equipment
business or a lawn and garden business, where people would come in
off and on all day long. Ms. McMillan said that she did not think
this was an anti- business atmosphere. Ms. McMillan stated that she
hoped the Board did not see this as a bunch of homeowners who do not
want any business there.
Claude Putnam of 711 Elmira Road stated that he would like to
have some figures on the size of the pit. Mr. Baldassarre responded
that the pit would be 30 feet long and would be enclosed on three
sides by three -foot high walls, open only to the road, with a hood
over the pit. Mr. Putnam wondered how much grease the filters would
take out before it goes in the air. Attorney Salk replied that it
would take out somewhere between 60 -70 percent. Mr. Putnam asked
what would happen to the rest of it. Mr. Putnam stated that he used
to boil maple syrup at the proposed project site for 30 years, and
the wind that is prevailing is toward his house and toward Sybil's
house, and toward George's house.
Mr. Putnman also expressed a traffic concern -- during rush hour
one cannot even walk across the road let alone drive across,
commenting that coming from the south the vision is limited. Mr.
Putnam said that he is going to have to sit in his house all day long
• with the smoke, and once it gets in the house one cannot get it out,
adding that once it gets in his house and can't get back out he is
going to have problems with somebody.
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April 7, 1992
George Sheldrake said that the grease smoke from chicken is
0 heavier than air; it does not go up like a lot of chemical smoke
does, or even wood smoke which stays up in the air.
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Harley Steffy (no address given) addressed the Board and stated
that the last time he was before the Board he was representing Sybil
Phillips. 'Mr. Steffy stated that if the previous meeting notes were
checked it was noted that less than 500 of the grease was removed by
precipitating it out; that meant that there was still 50% at least,
or more, going up into the air and being spread all over. Mr.
Putnan's house will get a good coat of it, and every other house
within probably a quarter of a mile will get a coat of grease. Mr..
Steffy said that the Traffic Report had no mention of the conditions
that already exist there, which is a minimum visibility of barely 500
feet. Mr.uSteffy mentioned line of sight; a man standing, it is not
in a car. Mr. Steffy stated that he believed smoke will create an
impossible „situation; any smoke that goes onto the road will reduce
the stopping time of vehicles; also grease on the road will make the
road slippery, adding that he knows this firsthand because right in
front of the Star Oil business by Buttermilk Falls he tried to stop
on his motorcycle, but could not because they had spilled oil on the
road. Mr. Steffy feels that all these things must be considered.
Mr. Steffy said he felt it would be ill- advised to come forward and
say that this is'a proper use of that particular property.
Mr. Putnam commented that there are no services on that road at
the present time, and wondered how soon they would be there. Town
Engineer Dan Walker responded that the sewer and water service does
come to the property, and the construction for the next phase is
anticipated to start in June or July of 1992. Mr. Walker said that
the property owner can be hooked up when the segments are pressure
tested and approved. Mr. Putnam wondered if he were right in that
there would not be any services to the property before September or
October 1992, Mr. Walker stated that the property can be served by
the existing water and sewer; the sewer comes right to the property
line and there is a manhole right at the end of it. Mr. Putnam
responded that he knew that, but that it is about 200 feet. Mr.
Walker replied that the applicant may have to put a long lateral in
to make it serve that would be the applicant's responsibility. Mr.
Walker offered that the water service is across the road and could be
brought across, at the applicant's expense, if he wants to hookup now
rather than wait for the construction of the remainder of the main`.
Mr. Walker ",noted that the Health Department governs food service
establishments as far as water supply is concerned.
Sybil Phillips again addressed the Board and wondered if there,
were any air quality standards that would disallow putting wood smoke
or additional things like that in the air. Mr. Walker responded that
the air quality standards are based on a concentration of smoke in
the air. Mr. Walker said tht he believed that the ventilation system
Mr. Baldass!arre is proposing would dilute the discharge and meet the
air quality standards.
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April 7, 1992
• A voice from the back of the room wondered if it did not dilute
it, and, in fact, was doing like everyone knows it will, what would
be the procedure then to close it down? Mr. Walker responded that
the HealthjDepartment governs that, adding that the entire restaurant
facility has to receive a Health Department approval prior to
operation.
There appearing to be no one else from the public who wished to
speak to „this matter, Chairperson Grigorov closed the Public Hearing
and brought the matter back to the Board for discussion.
Town Planner Forman stated that the memo from him, to the
Planning Board, and dated April 2, 1992, expresses some issues that
need to be looked at.
Mr. Forman referred to the three items under Section 78 of the
Zoning Ordinance,
19 There is a need for the proposed use in the proposed
location.
Mr. Forman communicated that Attorney Salk advised the
Board why he thought there was a need for the use in the
proposed location. Mr. Forman commented that some of the
other things the Board may want to consider is the fact that
there are about five or six fast food restaurants a short
• distance away from the proposed Minnie's BQ. Mr. Forman
said that he was sure that Mr. Baldassarre's product is a
lot better than the fast food restaurants. Mr. Forman
mentioned that there is also Tops and Wegmans a short
distance away who make barbecued chicken. Mr. Forman said
that one can at least weigh the issues when one takes a look
at "is there a need for the proposed use in the proposed
location."
2. The existing and probable future character of the
neighborhood will not be adversely affected.
Mr. Forman stated that the existing character of the
neighborhood is a mixed neighborhood in terms of uses, and
beyond saying what has been heard from the residents in the
area, who are the existing character of the neighborhood, he
did not know that any more needs to be said by him about the
existing character of the neighborhood. Mr. Forman added
that the probable future character of the neighborhood is
being addressed in the Comprehensive Plan. Mr. Forman
stated that a hard look is being taken concerning strip
development in Inlet Valley, and in other places, so that
there is not a situation that the neighbors have expressed
tonight about not being able to exit their driveways. Mr.
Forman offered that one of the things that the Traffic Study
• does say, commenting that this does not specifically relate
to the proposed project, is that with everything going on on
Route 13 it is virtually impossible to get out of one's
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• driveway or to get out of Seven Mile Drive. Mr. Forman
noted that the study states that the proposed project is not
terribly going to exacerbate it. Mr. Forman noted that the
study also said that there will be little or no additional
delay from the project itself, but there is always
incremental delay any time there is another strip
development, or any time there is another curbcut.
3. The proposed change is in accordance with a comprehensive
plan of development of the Town.
Mr. Forman stated that it is not strictly the Comprehensive
Plan, but it is also the Zoning Ordinance, Subdivision
Regulations, etc., adding that one of the issues being
looked at now is strip development.
At this point, Chairperson
recommend against the project.
heard that from someone else
this. Mr. Forman stated that he
the issues, and balance off what
Grigorov said that Mr. Forman
Mr. Forman responded that
that he was sitting on the
tried to do his best to just
Attorney Salk had to say.
did not
he had
fence on
address
Board Member William Lesser asked for further comment on the
Traffic Study. Mr. Forman responded that in terms of the information
in the study it is accurate, and it is a good study. Mr. Forman said
that the question is how much this project is going to make it such
• that it is going to make it more difficult for the neighborhood
residents. Mr. Forman noted that the Study comes to the conclusion
that it is minimal and Mr. Forman thinks that is reasonably
accurate. Mr. Forman stated that every time there is a strip
development, an additional strip that is being opened, and in this
case it is not a situation like a doctor's office where there is a
steady stream of approximately two people per hour. The people going
to Minnie's BQ would be grouped in peak periods around lunchtime and
around dinnertime. Again, Mr. Forman said that he thought the
Traffic Study was fair, but he thought that there is always an
incremental increase, and even though it does not seem to change the
level of service in terms of making a left -hand turn, it always
changes it incrementally.
Board Member Kenerson asked Ms. Phillips if she remembered what
the zoning was when she moved to the area, or was this before the
zoning was in force. Ms. Phillips responded that when she moved to
the 721 Elmira Rd. address in 1961 it was R -30. Mr. Kenerson asked
Mr. Putnam about boiling maple syrup on the proposed site. Mr.
Putnam replied that he had boiled maple syrup for years in the exact
building that is being proposed as Minnie's BQ. Mr. Kenerson
wondered what kind of effect that smoke had. Mr. Putnam responded
that that smoke went toward his house and toward Ms. Phillips house.
Mr. Kenerson wondered if they had maple smelling clothes. Mr. Putnam
answered, yes. Ms. Phillips said that this was during the winter.
• Ms. McMillan offered that the maple syrup boiling season is in March
and April; wood was used to boil the syrup. Mr. Putnam stated that
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• the reason he and Mr. Brink never used that building to sell produce
was because the building is on the wrong side of the road.
Mr.
Steffy
interjected
-- when
the State
Police sit by the motels
and stop
traffic
or slow it
down, it
backs up
all the way down past
Eddydale
and the
same thing
goes for
the other
direction.
Mr. Forman said that much of what
was the issue about a recommendation to
Planning Board decide in favor of the
technical details that need to be worked
recommendation is made to the ZBA.
he gave to the Planning Board
the ZBA, and, should the
recommendation there are some
out on the site plan, if a
Chairperson Grigorov said that she did not see how the Planning
Board cannot make a recommendation, that is their job. Mr. Forman
stated that he meant a positive or negative recommendation.
Ms. Langhans commented that when
the evening the pit area is still going
Langhans said that the suggestion was
animals to it, as there will be residue
grate. Mr. Baldassarre responded th
and put them someplace.
the business is closed down in
to be open in front. Mso
made that the smell will bring
of barbecued chicken on the
at he would take the grates off
Board Member Lesser stated that he would very much hate to see
that area turned into a strip development; he would like to see what
• the various committees have to propose that would suggest an
alternative, adding that he would be very reluctant to approve
anything which might impede another development plan for the area
which could avoid a continuation of the City and of Route 13.
Chairperson Grigorov offered that there has not been any discussion
of that side of the road; it is not anything coming up very soon.
Board Member Kenerson said that with the availability of sewer and
water people are going to be attracted to the area, and in today's
world that is "cars ". Board Member Langhans asked about the
possibility of a "trial "; can this be arranged for a year or just
weekends? Mr. Lesser responded that when one puts an investment like
that in an area... Chairperson Grigorov said that that is up to Mr.
Baldassarre, but wondered if the Planning Board could do it. Ms.
Langhans mentioned the investment in that the building itself is
there; she thought the biggest investment would be the fans. Mr.
Lesser said there is always a big investment in starting up a
business, advertising, training people, etc. Attorney Salk mentioned
the sprinkler system in that, given the previous discussions with the
Town and the Health Department, there are quite a lot of requirements
for what appears to be a small project.
Attorney Barney stated that he understood the business would be
open, initially, just weekends and holidays. Mr. Baldassarre said
that he would be happy with that. Attorney Barney said that if the
Planning Board chose to grant the approval it could be conditioned so
• that the business would be limited to weekends and holidays; that
gives a "trial" in terms of a part of the week. Attorney Salk
is
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wondered if Mr. Baldassarre would have to come back before the Board
if he wanted to expand the hours. Attorney Barney replied, yes.
Mr. Kenerson wondered if Mr. Baldassarre had contacted the Health
Department. Mr. Baldassarre answered, yes.
Chairperson Grigorov noted
positive memo dated April 3,
Department of Planning regarding
as Exhibit #3.]
that the Planning Board received,a
1992, from the Tompkins County
the proposal. [Memo attached hereto
Mr. Lesser commented that he thought if this proposal is approved,
what the Planning Board is approving is a full restaurant; if it is
weekends how can one say no to weeks if they are serving cole slaw,
sodas one cannot start limiting customers, menu, and things like that
-- how long is it going to be before the front is filled in -- it is
going to be a restaurant. Attorney Barney stated that one cannot go
in fear of what is going to happen in the future because anything
that alters the site plan or alters the conditions that are imposed,
as long as they are reasonable conditions, would require coming back
to the Board for Special Approval,
Board Member Finch commented that he would be surprised if they
could sell that many chickens, but Mr. Baldassarre is betting there
is a market and, whether people would prefer a Wegman chicken to a
Minnie's or not there is no way to tell that need from what he has
seen so far. Mr. Finch said that there is nothing that says there is
not a need, except his bet. Mr. Finch, referring to "The proposed
change is in accordance with a comprehensive plan of development of
the Town ", stated that he was concerned about what may happen in that
area, but the Board has not given the applicant any guidance that
says he is not in accordance with the Comprehensive Plans he is in
accordance with the Zoning law that exists and he is certainly not
that much different from some of the other businesses that are in
that area. Mr. Finch said he did not see how the Board can hold Mr.
Baldassarre to a Comprehensive Plan that may delay some of the things
the Board is concerned about in the whole area, and the applicant is
meeting the Zoning Ordinance. Town Planner Floyd Forman stated that
the proposal is an allowed use in a Business "C" Zone with a Special
Approval. Mr. Finch stated that he understood, from what Attorney
Barney said, although there is not.a Comprehensive Plan, basically,
what Mr. Baldassarre has to go on is what is in place, and that is
the zoning law.. Attorney Barney commented -- and what we have done
in other areas, just by Planning Board decisions, Zoning Board of
Appeals decisions, and Town Board rezonings. Mr. Finch said that the
only argument he can see is with number two, "The existing and
probable future character of the neighborhood will not be adversely
affected ", in terms of the existing and probable future character.
Mr. Finch stated that he was not sure about the probable future$ when
one says probable then says future that gives him two things that he
does not know about. Mr. Finch said that he was not trying to debate
whether it is right or wrong at this point; he was just trying to
look at the criteria. Mr. Lesser stated that his interpretation of
the word "need" is somewhat different from Mr. Finch's. Mr. Lesser
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PLANNING BOARD
• said that as he understands it, Mr. Finch is saying, essentially,
market test; if it's economic, if it's financially viable, there is a
need for it, adding, if that is the case there is no point in putting
it in a law; the best thing to do is to just let business go ahead --
if it goes, fine - if it doesn't, fine. Mr. Lesser said that he
thinks the business is really in an inappropriate place to put it,
whether it is, or is not, financially viable. Mr. Lesser stated that
in terms of probable future character, to a large extent, that is in
the Board's hands. Chairperson Grigorov commented that only within
the zoning can the Board control things. Ms. Langhans commented that
if strip development is being put every 200 -500 feet it is being
shaped in a way that is probably not the way the Board wants it
shaped. Chairperson Grigorov stated that as far as she knew the
Board has not disallowed anything because it was a strip
development.
It was noted that this project, last time around, was site plan
approval. Mr. Lesser mentioned Cannon Pools which is a little bit
farther north on Elmira Road. Mr. Lesser said that the Board was
very careful about the distance off the road, visibility from the
road, and the character of the building, adding that traffic was not
a factor there. Mr. Lesser said that it could have been proposed for
an automobile dealership, which would have a very different impact;
the Board would have looked at it quite differently from the business
that is presently there. Mr. Finch stated that he is still puzzled
over the existing character of the neighborhood.
• Chairperson Grigorov asked if there were any way of having a
buffer toward the residential zone. Ms. Langhans, directing her
comment to Mr. Forman, asked what the distance was between Minnie's
BQ and the R -30 zone. Sybil Phillips of 321 Elmira Road answered,
310 feet. Attorney Barney stated that the buffer zone requirement is
a buffer zone between a commercial zone and a residential zone,
adding that he thought Mr. Putnam's house at 711 Elmira Road,
regretfully or otherwise, is within the commercial zone, so it is not
a buffer zone between a commercial establishment and a residential
establishment; it is between zones. A voice from the audience
wondered, why then when Finger Lakes Tractor owned the land on the
other side of the road, and it was proposed to put in an implement
building, the Board told him that he had to put in a buffer between
that building and his house -- and he owned the house. Chairperson
Grigorov responded that that was before her time. The voice said
that it was about four years ago. Attorney Barney offered that it
may have been the zoning Board•of Appeals. Mr. Forman stated that
that is not a viable issue here, even if the Board wanted to do it,
one can't make this thing work with it, there is no room to put a
buffer there even if the Board thinks it is a good idea. Attorney
Barney stated that the law on a buffer is a zone to zone requirement,
not building to building requirement.
Ms. Langhans, commenting on the Traffic Study, stated that they
• talked about cars entering and exiting the same side, adding that she
thought that would be a real headache. Attorney Salk stated that he
had asked the traffic engineer to look at the worst case scenario,
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PLANNING BOARD
• and that is one of the things Mr. Forman wants to address -- what the
signage is going to be and what the traffic flow is going to be on
site.
Mr. Lesser stated that from his interpretation, and from his
reading, he cannot answer the three points positively. Mr. Lesser
said he did not feel there is particularly a need. Ms. Langhans
commented that it is not as though there isn't another eating place
around. Mr. Lesser agreed. Chairperson Grigorov said that to her
"need" means something urgent. Ms. Langhans added that it is a
convenience.
There appearing to be no further discussion, Chairperson Grigorov
asked if anyone were prepared to make a motion.
MOTION by Mr. William Lesser, seconded by Mr. James Baker.
RESOLVED, that, in the matter of the consideration of Preliminary
Site Plan Approval and Recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals
for the proposed "Minnie's BQ", consisting of the conversion of an
existing structure to a restaurant -type operation with parking and
landscaping improvements on a site located on the southeast side of
Elmira Road (NYS Route 13) approximately 250 feet south of its
intersection with Seven Mile Drive, Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No.
6- 35 -1 -29, Business District "C ", the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
determine and hereby does determine that:
is 1. There is not a need for the proposed use in the proposed location;
2. The existing and probable future character of the neighborhood in
which the use is to be located will be adversely affected;
3. The proposed change is not in accordance with a comprehensive
plan of development of the Town.
IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED, that said Planning Board find and hereby does
find.
1. That there are numerous other eating facilities within the
immediate vicinity of the proposed restaurant -type operation and,
therefore, there is no compelling need for an additional eating
facility;
2. That the character of the neighborhood consists of a number of
residences in the area that would be adversely affected by the
odors, possibly the grease, and the traffic that would be
generated by adding another quasi - commercial establishment in the
vicinity;
3. That the following factors (a) the recent decisions that have
been made by the Planning Board with respect to fast -food
• restaurants; (b) the planning that has occurred with respect to
the Zoning Ordinance and particularly the Zoning Ordinance
amendment requiring that a store of this nature obtain a positive
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recommendation before the Zoning Board of Appeals considers an
application for special approval, and (c) the planning process
which suggests that these kinds of uses need to be looked at more
closely prior to the granting of such special approval, all
indicate that the proposal to establish such a fast -food
restaurant is not consistent with the comprehensive plan of the
Town of Ithaca.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser, Finch.
Nay - Grigorov.
The MOTION was declared to be carried.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the matter of the consideration of
Preliminary Site Plan Approval and Recommendation to the Zoning Board
of Appeals for the proposed Minnie's BQ duly closed.
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To: Chairman, Planning Board
Town of Ithaca
We, the undersigned, object to the approval of Minnie's Bar -
B-Q to be located in the 700 block of the Elmira Road 'Route 13).
Our reasons for this objection areas. follows:
1. Traffic hazard
a. Rush hour traffic is now bumper to bumper (C 50 mph).
b. Cars turning in or
create additional hazards.
coming out will slaw traffic a:.cI�
C. Cars crossing traffic will have a major impact on
safety and traffic flow.
d. Open -pit emitting smoke could inhibit visibility de-
pending upon wind direction.
2. Odors and smoke could be obnoxious and toxic and make
outdoor use of �o.ur properties untenable.
• 3. Grease released into the air will damage nearby buildings
and can create major problems:., for those persons with respir-
atory ailments.
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4. Odors will draw both domestic and wild animals to the area.
5. Open -pit may create ash deposits throughout the neighborhood.
6. No water., sewer or electricity.
Drainage- ground contamination of wetlands, inlet and lake.
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Chairman, Planning Board
Town of Ithaca
A good zoning plan requires a buffer zone between high impact businesses, such
as Minnie's BQ, and residential areas.
In addition, Town Boards should make their decisions based on the good of the
majority, not the good of one party.
We realize that Minnie's BQ does not need a zoning variance and will not be
seeking one, but that does not change the situation.
As concerned landowners and renters, we have come before you tonight to sub-
mit our list of objections regarding the proposed Minnie's BQ.
We wish to note that the attached petition has been signed by every residential
household in the surrounding area.
By approving the establishment of Minnie's BQ in our neighborhood, the Town
would be infringing on the rights of the area residents to enjoy full use of
their properties as they were zoned when they purchased them.
•
To: Chairman, Planning Board
Town of Ithaca
We, the undersigned, object to the approval of Minnie's Bar -
B-Q to be located in the 700 block of the Elmira Road 'Route 13).
Our reasons for this objection areas follows:
1. Traffic hazard
a. Rush hour traffic is now bumper to bumper (@ 50 mph).
b. Cars turning in or :.coming out will sibw- traffic and
create additional hazards,
C, Cars crossing traffic will have a major impact on
safety and traffic flow.
d. Open -pit emitting smoke could inhibit visibility de-
pending upon wind direction.
2. Odors and smoke could be obnoxious and toxic and make
outdoor use of our properties untenable.
3. Grease released into the air will damage nearby buildings
and can create major probleins•i for those persons with respir-
atory ailments.
4. Odors will draw both domestic and wild animals to the area.
5. Open -pit may create ash deposits throughout the neighborhood.
6. No water, sewer or electricity.
Drainage- ground contamination of wetlands, inlet and lake.
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ELLIOT RUBINSTEIN, M.D.
Adult and Pediatric Allergy
Cortland Ithaca Elmira
109 West Road 840 Honshow Rood 216 W. Gray Street
607 - 753.9604 607 - 257 -6563 607- 733 -5086
March 6. 1992
RE:
Sybil
Phillips
DOB:
April
30,
1941
To Whom It May Concern:
The above named patient is being seen in this office for
allergic problems. Due to the nature of her problems, I feel
that it is best if she avoids irritants. including smoke.
If you have any further questions. please do not hesitate to
contact nee .
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Sincerely your
Elliot Rubinstein, M.D.
Tompkins Country
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• DEPARTMENT ;OF PL "ANNING
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Biggs Building A, 301sHarris BI; Dates Drive
lihaca, New York,148,50
James W. Hanson, Jr.`= Telephone
Commissioner of Planning
g (607) 2745360
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TO: Richard Eiken, Planner I
Town of Ithaca '•
FROM: James W. Hanson Jr
DATE: April 3, 1992
RE: Zoning Review Pursuant to §239 -1 and -m of the New York State General
Municipal Law
Action: Mi.nnie's BQ Tax Map No. 6- 35 -1 -29.
• This memorandum acknowledges your referral of the proposal identified above for review and
comment by the Tompkins County Planning Department pursuant to §239 -1 and -m of the New
York State General Municipal Law.
The proposal, as submitted, will have no significant deleterious impact on intercommunity,
County, or State interests. Therefore, no recommendation is indicated by the Tompkins Cc
Planning Department, and you are free to act without prejudice.
Please inform us of your decision so that we can make it a part of the record.
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