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TOWN OF ItAACA
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
JANUARY 21, 1992
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on
Tuesday, January 21, 1992, in Town Hall, 126 East Seneca Street,
Ithaca, New York, at 7 :30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chairperson Carolyn Grigorov, Virginia Langhans, Robert
Kenerson, William Lesser, Floyd Forman (Town Planner), John
Czamanske (Planner I).
ALSO PRESENT: James Kazda, Kinga Gergely, Doug Brittain, Ashley
Miller, Laura Marks, Dave Auble, Ephrian M. Tomlinson,
Richard B. Fischer, Candace Cornell, John Whitcomb.
Chairperson Grigorov declared the meeting duly opened at 7:30 p.m.
AGENDA ITEM: PRESENTATION OF THE PROPOSED PLANS FOR THE
REALIGNMENT OF THE PINE TREE ROAD /JUDD FALLS ROAD INTERSECTION.
JAMES KAZDA, SENIOR CIVIL ENGINEER, TOMPKINS COUNTY DEPARTMENT OF
PUBLIC WORKS.
Maps were appended to the bulletin board.
Mr. Kazda addressed the Board and stated that quite a number of
• years ago there was some talk about an East Ithaca By -Pass and, as a
result of those discussions and following studies, the project of
maintaining and upgrading the roads in this area have been put on
hold. Mr. Kazda offered that there have also been some studies done
with respect to the accident rate within the project area, which is
extremely high. Mr. Kazda said that over a five -year period there are
over 100 recorded accidents indicated in the project area.
Mr. Kazda said that everyone decided in 1991 that it was about
time to go ahead with this particular portion of the project which
is, again, more of a maintenance activity than anything else,
although providing for the elimination of some of the areas where the
Tompkins County Highway Department feels that safety of the motorist
is somewhat compromised. Mr. Kazda stated that this maintenance
activity is in no way connected to the East Ithaca By -Pass; this
maintainance is a project by itself.
Mr. Kazda stated that the project at this point is in the 1992
Approved Capital Program for Tompkins County, and the project budget
as it stands today is $800,000.00, which includes design and
construction. Mr. Kazda added that the County has completed the
schematic design and noted that appended to the bulletin board is the
result of the County Consultant taking a first crack at a design
which met the County's basic criteria. Mr. Kazda noted that the next
step is design development, then finally construction documents.. Mr.
• Kazda commented that there was some concern voiced from the Board of
Reps about whether in this financial climate that the County is
experiencing it would be prudent to continue on with the project.
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• Mr. Kazda said that the County Board of
would bring it back before the
construction.
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Reps Chairman stated that he
Board, before it went to
Mr. Kazda stated that the current schedule for the project is for
construction to begin in May 1992 and be finished in September or
October 1992.
Continuing, Mr. Kazda pointed out Snyder Hill Road on the map,
along with the "Y" intersection, commenting that in the highway
business "Y" intersections are fairly dangerous because it requires
motorists to do many different activities in a single area. Mr.
Kazda noted that there are a lot more accidents at "Y" intersections
than at "T" intersections, adding, that is one of the reasons for the
proposed '!T" intersection. Mr. Kazda noted that there would also be
some grade changes to allow one to stop in a flat area at the
intersection. Presently, one comes down the grade right to the
intersection. Mr. Kazda, pointing to the map, said that the "yellow"
is the edge of the driving lanes; the "red" is a bikeway /walkway.
There will be paved shoulders along the road. Mr. Kazda said that
Pine Tree Road will have a lefthand turn lane onto Snyder Hill Road
and Snyder Hill Road will have a left and a right turn lane to get
onto Pine Tree Road. Mr. Kazda said that Pine Tree Road stays pretty
much the same from Snyder Hill Road until the Equestrian Center and
where the proposed Tennis Facility is, where it widens out in order
to provide for drop -off of the public transit system, then continuing
on down right past the entrance, leaving the existing right -of -way in
order to provide a "T" intersection for Pine Tree Road, Judd Falls
Road, Mitchell Street and Ellis Hollow Road. The bikeway then would
get onto the existing paved area of Pine Tree Road; Pine Tree Road
also ends with a lefthand turn lane to make the turn to Mitchell
Street. The bikeway at this point terminates, which is seen in red
on the map. Once Ellis Hollow Road is crossed it narrows to
five -feet wide which is then, essentially, a sidewalk, where most
likely bicyles would be prohibited, but bicycle traffic would be
facilitated on the driving surface itself. There will be an area
four -feet wide between the edge of the driving lane (the white, line)
and the base of the curb. The bikeway itself will continue down
Mitchell Street and join with the existing East Ithaca Recreation
Way. The sidewalk will be raised with a curb. There is still a lot
of work to be done with the driveways, and it has been presented to a
lot of people, Bob Andree of the East Hill Gulf Station for one.
Mr. Kazda stated that there is going to be a turn lane down the
entire length of Judd Falls Road /Ellis Hollow Road, all the way down
to Maple Avenue. Again, the bikeway paved shoulder area will
continue to Ellis Hollow Road to the end of the project area. There
are no plans at this point to continue anything down Ellis Hollow
Road. There will be very few modifications to most of the
driveways; Cornell has proposed that their long island be
eliminated, and moved to a new location where it will become a little
bit fatter and a little bit shorter. The walkway that comes up from
Mitchell Street to the Judd Falls Plaza comes in at "this" location
where there is a crosswalk; Cornell is also adding a sidewalk to
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bring one up to the P &C.
have storm sewers.
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Mr. Kazda stated that the whole area will
Mr. Kazda said that it is very difficult to recommend too many
changes to the driveways at Eastern Breeders only because of their
current operation which is expected to last probably for the duration
of their lease, which is another seventeen years. Eastern Breeders
does need a second means of egress from their property, because their
driveway is very narrow in the back and one tractor trailer loading
blocks all other deliveries to that facility. There is a lefthand
turn from Judd Falls Road onto Maple Avenue and a lefthand turn from
Maple Avenue onto Judd Falls Road, adding that a little bit of grade
work and bank work is planned for the north side; hopefully it will
improve sight distance. Also, some of the hill will be cut from the
front of the cemetery. Mr. Kazda said it will be some improvement,
but probably not as comfortable as everyone would like it to be.
Mr. Kazda offered that as far as changes in traffic control, the
engineering analysis says, at this point, that Judd Falls Road and
Pine Tree Road should be a through road, and Mitchell Street and
Ellis Hollow Road be stops, adding that there have been some concerns
about installing a traffic signal in that location; this will have
to wait for the cost figures to come in. During the bidding process
it will be asked to have the installation of the light broken out
separately so a decision can be made based on the numbers as to
whether or not it is justified. Currently, it is anticipated that it
will be somewhere in the neighborhood of $100,000.00 in order to have
that intersection signalled. Board Member Langhans asked Mr. Kazda
if he had any idea of the percentage of traffic going east, west, and
south. Mr. Kazda answered that when McDonald's did their original
proposal for the intersection, they did the most recent set of
counts, and their numbers were used to come up with the proposal
before the Board tonight. Basically, Mr. Kazda said that as to
percentages most of the traffic goes north /south.
Chairperson Grigorov wondered if there were any wetland problem
at the intersection. Mr. Kazda responded, yes, this area "here" is
defined as a wetlands, adding, the soil surveys were done and they
are now in the process of securing a Corps of Engineers Permit; a
letter from Cornell is needed for the permit stating that they do
agree to the project because it is on private land. Board Member
Kenerson asked about the paved area'of the road. Mr. Kazda responded
that the lanes will be ten feet wide. Mr. Kazda said that the whole
length of Judd Falls Road will be widened; the current pavement width
is in the neighborhood of 24 feet and it is proposed to take it up to
probably about 28 feet. Chairperson Grigorov asked about driveways.
Mr. Kazda offered that it is proposed to eliminate one at Eastern
Breeders, one at the Racquet Club, and two to the cemetery. Mr.
Kazda stated that approval has to be secured from the Cemetery
Association.
• Mr. Kazda said that with respect to the project budget, and the
way Tompkins County functions, the Public Works Committee chooses not
to fund bikeways and walkways, as they think it is a Town function.
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• Town Planner Floyd Forman will be working to see how that end of the
project will be funded. Mr. Kenerson asked if there were any opinion
that the lighting for the road is adequate, particularly if there is
going to be a bikeway /walkway. Mr. Kazda said that lighting has been
a Town function for quite some time. Ms. Langhans noted that the
bikepath would be in the old roadway. Town Planner Forman offered
that there are now some benefit districts that want to be lit, I they
wind up being charged for the privilege of having lighting, and they
work through the Town with NYSEG.
Ashley Miller, representing the Tompkins County Environmental
Management Council, addressed the Board. Ms. Miller asked about
where the bikeway crosses Ellis Hollow Road. Ms. Miller wondered if
that was just going to be delineated by paint on the road. Mr. Kazda
responded, yes.
Doug Brittain, 135 Warren Road, appeared before the Board and
wondered if the trees in the cemetery would be able to be saved. Mr.
Kazda answered, yes, all the trees on the other side of the wall will
be saved.
Candace Cornell, representating the Town Conservation Advisory
Council, spoke from the floor and wondered how much of the wetland
would be impacted. Mr. Kazda responded that Cornell did some wetland
delineation of their piece of property when they were doing the
Tennis Facility, and they identified "this" as being wetland. Mr.
• Kazda said that the County reviewed the survey and expanded to try
and find the other boundary. Mr. Kazda said that he was not sure but
it could be a little bit over an acre. Ms. Cornell wondered how much
of the wetland would be filled in. Mr. Kazda responded that it would
be in an area of about 50' X 1001. Ms. Cornell wondered if any of
the drainage patterns empty into that wetland from the roadway. Mr.
Kazda answered, yes, probably. Mr. Kazda stated that Cornell is also
evaluating and it will be turned back to the Town for their
evaluation as well, making "this" area a mini -park that will either
be maintained by the Town or left to go natural.
Laura Marks, of
the Conservation Advisory
Council, addressed
the
Board
and asked about
water flowing into Six -Mile
Creek or Cascadilla
Creek.
Mr. Kazda
responded that there is
a definite break in
the
grade
within the project,
and it is not certain
where there will be
a
break
in the storm
sewer systems presently,
it breaks either at
the
first
or second entrance
to the cemetery.
Mr. Kazda offered that it is proposed that Pine Tree Road will
have an 8 -foot shoulder.
Mr. Kazda offered that this presentation will be given to the
neighborhood committee on February 3, 1992 at the Senior Citizens
Home located on Ellis Hollow Road. Mr. Kazda said that the
presentation will be given at 7:00 p.m. or 7:30 p.m.
• Chairperson Grigorov thanked Mr. Kazda for his presentation.
Planning Board -5- January 21, 1992
• AGENDA ITEM: PRESENTATION OF THE TOWN OF ITHACA DRAFT OPEN SPACE
REPORT. JOHN WHITCOMB /CANDACE CORNELL, TOWN OF ITHACA CONSERVATION
ADVISORY COUNCIL.
Ms. Cornell appeared before the Board and proceeded to show
slides of Ithaca.
Ms. Cornell said that in February 1990 the Town Board adopted a
resolution creating the Conservation Advisory Council, and its
primary initial job was to come up with a Conservation Advisory Open
Space Report -- it is also part of the mandate of New York State Town
Law. Ms. Cornell said that the Council is supposed to develop an
inventory and make recommendations as to which lands should be
preserved or protected, and which lands would be appropriate for
development. Ms. Cornell commented that the priority was to preserve
the air and water quality of the Town, and to protect the valuable
and significant natural areas. Ms. Cornell stated that there are a
number of State Parks and there is a need to connect these areas,
because one of the major problems in wildlife conservation these days
is habitat fragmentation. Ms. Cornell stated that there is a need to
establish appropriate development patterns and protect areas of
valuable natural resources. Ms. Cornell stated that farming really
needs to be promoted not only as a viable resource and a viable
occupation, but also because it provides a beautiful landscape of
Ithaca that actually adds to the quality of everyone's life. Ms.
Cornell said that there is a need to provide adequate park and
• recreation space for future population. Ms. Cornell said that scenic
views and areas of historic and cultural significance need to be
protected. Ms. Cornell commented that there is a need to enhance the
beautification of already existing developments, by creating buffer
zones and proper landscaping around already existing areas.
Ms. Cornell stated that at the beginning of their mission they
developed a schematic design -- they first decided to figure out what
was open space. Ms. Cornell said that it was decided that the
definition for open space was those areas that had minimal or no
development on them -- minimal meaning farm lands that had a barn or
two with two out buildings. Ms. Cornell stated that the criteria for
the open areas were natural areas, agricultural lands, park and
recreational lands, scenic views, and other open areas which include
buffer zones, cultural and historic sites and urban areas, such as
urban buffer zones. Ms. Cornell stated that after the above criteria
were established they did an inventory from which they produced 'a map
that designated all the open areas, then, if the inventory and
conservation open areas map that was created is accepted by the Town
Board, it will become the official open space index, and it is hoped
that the map will be used by the Town's Comprehensive Plan. Ms.
Cornell noted that their methodology was rather complex, they had no
model to work from so they had to work from scratch, trial and error,
and come up with a methodology of their own, and, basically, all of
the open areas in the Town were identified, then they had to figure
• out a way of ranking the areas. Ms. Cornell stated that their goal
for ranking was to come up with a criteria for the need for
additional preservation.
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• Continuing, Ms. Cornell said, that first of all they divided the
Town into 178 open areas, adding that everyone on the CRC practically
rode around for days and days and took extensive notes on all the
ecological attributes of the areas, or historical areas, and they
searched for burial sites, along with looking for scenic views, and,
using that, they created an inventory. Ms. Cornell said that they
checked on all the existing information and added their own, and from
that they created the Open Areas Conservation Map. Ms. Cornell said
that they had to develop a formula of how they were going to rank the
178 areas that they had. Ms. Cornell stated that the formula they
used was based on the need for additional protection, as they were
going to rank areas by the need for additional protection; that was
equal to: the physical features minus the existing protection
measures plus developmental pressures. Ms. Cornell offered that they
had a long list of physical features and it took months and months to
come up with a numerical value that could be assigned to these
things. Ms. Cornell said that it was a very, very difficult task
they looked at other Towns throughout the United States and how they
tried to do it, and everybody said it is just an impossible task to
do -- how does one rate a forest? Ms. Cornell noted that they wanted
to come up with some objective numerical values so they applied 10
points to biological corridors, critical environmental areas of which
there is only one in the Town -- the Coy Glen area -- endangered and
significant wildlife habitats, floodplains, wetlands, Class 1 and 2
agricultural soils, and steep slopes greater than or equal to 150.
They also gave 10 points to unique natural areas that were developed
• by the Environmental Management Council, and DEC classified streams,
A through CT (T standing for Trout), and natural ponds greater than
one acre, of which there is only one in the Town of Ithaca. They
gave 7 points to mature forests greater than 5 acres, Class 3
agriculture soils, all DEC classified streams, active farm lands,
buffer zones between land use areas meaning buffer zones between
housing developments, etc., and artificial ponds greater than 1 acre
and scenic views. They gave 4 points to cultural areas such as
nature preserves, cemeteries, historic sites, historic landmarks,
recreational areas like golf courses, parks and trails, and areas
that are contiguous within 100 feet to unique natural areas, critical
environmental areas or State Parks, commenting, these need to be
preserved as buffer areas.. Ms. Cornell said that they substracted
existing protections. Privately protected areas were given 10
points, adding that Cornell's natural areas are protected by their
own scale. Existing regulations were given 0 points. Ms. Cornell
stated that at the moment they do not have any environmental
protection overlay districts (EPODs) nor any conservation zoning,
commenting, when those things come into being they will probably get
higher values. Ms. Cornell said that they do not view the DEC or
Army Corps of Engineers permits as giving a lot of protection. Later
on as zoning gets more stringent and there are more protective
agriculture districts higher points will be given.
Ms. Cornell said that they added developmental pressures -- at
the moment they have given 10 points to the availability of water and
sewer. They gave 4 points to the existence of development
proposals. Ms. Cornell said that, basically, the formula is that all
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the physical and cultural
substract the protections,
developmental pressures which
development proposals.
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and historic features are added in, then
then add on the availability of
is water and sewer and the existence of
They started out with 178 areas, then they were ranked by
intrinsic value which means the question of all that are natural,
historic and cultural points. Then they removed the 25 publicly
protected parcels. That left them with 153 areas, which were all
ranked by total intrinsic value (TIV). Ms. Cornell stated that there
is a large break between the first 32 parcels and the rest of the
parcels, so they decided to take the,first 32 parcels and rearrange
them again by adding in the developmental pressures and the
protections to come up with any for additional protection.
Ms. Cornell offered that the total open space in the Town is
12,818 acres, and the total amount of open space in the top 32 areas
accounted for 4,838 acres which is approximately 380 of the total
open space in the Town. The privately owned Ag land accounted for
almost 2,800 acres which is about 22% of the open areas in the Town.
It accounts for 58% of the top 32 parcels in the Town. Privately
owned non - agricultural land was about 1,400 acres and approximately
11% of the total open space in the Town, and was 28% of the top 32%
of the Town. Institutional land -- Cornell University and `Ithaca
College -- was approximately 5% of the total open space in the Town
and 13.5% of the 32 top areas. Ms. Cornell said that agricultural
• land is definitely getting preference in the report, and in the
future when the agricultural report comes out and it gets
incorporated in the Comprehensive Plan, it is hoped that the-Town of
Ithaca will come up with other modes of protecting Ag land and come
up with incentives for farmers, but for now they feel it is essential
to protect farm land for one reason it adds to the quality of
everyone's life and it has to be maintained as a viable occupation as
part of our culture, it gives us food and, basically, the farms own
most of the land in the Town and if we do not help them protect the
land, then we are not protecting open space.
Ms. Cornell mentioned uses for the open space index in that it is
hoped that it will be an information base for the Comprehensive Plan,
and its SEQR evaluations, subdivision evaluations, and site plan
reviews, and they are hoping it will help direct development'in the
areas where it is most suitable and guide it away from areas that are
sensitive in terms of ecology and cultural reasons. They are hoping
it will identify areas that need more protection in terms of zoning,
EPODs, cluster development, and conservation easements. They are
hoping that it will identify areas in need of transfer of development
rights and purchase of development rights, and as a last resort
acquisition by a public land trust, such as the Q4y% Lake$ Land
Trust, Finjer
Ms. Cornell stated that the presented study is an initial study,
is and next year they hope to revise it; there is a lot more to do on
its Ms. Cornell said that they would like to delineate stream
corridors and wetlands in the Town, and they would like to do further
At this point, Ms. Cornell announced that she hoped questions and
comments would be submitted about the report, adding that they are
needed no later than January 29, 1992. They could be dropped off in
Town Board Member John Whitcomb's box at Town Hall or mailed to
Candace Cornell.,
AGENDA ITEM: APPROVAL OF MINUTES - May 21, and December 3, 1991'
The Board did not act on the approval of minutes as there was not
a quorum present.
AGENDA ITEM: REPORT OF THE TOWN PLANNER
Town Planner Floyd Forman reported that Assemblyman Martin Luster
is scheduled to speak to the Planning Board on March 5, 1992. Mr.
Forman stated that the process is moving along with respect to
engaging a consultant for the D /GEIS; interviews will be held next
•, week with Town Supervisor Shirley Raffensperger, Planning Board
Chairperson Carolyn Grigorov, Town Engineer Dan Walker, and Town
Planner Floyd Forman present.
AGENDA ITEM: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE
Town Planner Floyd Forman reported that review of the policies is
continuing.
ADJOURNMENT
Upon Motion, Chairperson Grigorov declared the January
meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
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Mary Bryant, Recording Secretary,
Nancy M. Fuller, Secretary,
Town of Ithaca Planning Board.
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study on wildlife
habitats. They
need to identify more cultural,
historic, and scenic
sites; especially
historic. They would
like to
develop plans; and
actually start
implementing these plans
for
developing biological
corridors and greenbelts to connect the
various
larger wildlife habitats
in the area,
such as the State Parks,
and by
doing the biological
corridors it will
increase the health
of the
environment and eco
^system of which we humans are a small
but
dangerous part.
At this point, Ms. Cornell announced that she hoped questions and
comments would be submitted about the report, adding that they are
needed no later than January 29, 1992. They could be dropped off in
Town Board Member John Whitcomb's box at Town Hall or mailed to
Candace Cornell.,
AGENDA ITEM: APPROVAL OF MINUTES - May 21, and December 3, 1991'
The Board did not act on the approval of minutes as there was not
a quorum present.
AGENDA ITEM: REPORT OF THE TOWN PLANNER
Town Planner Floyd Forman reported that Assemblyman Martin Luster
is scheduled to speak to the Planning Board on March 5, 1992. Mr.
Forman stated that the process is moving along with respect to
engaging a consultant for the D /GEIS; interviews will be held next
•, week with Town Supervisor Shirley Raffensperger, Planning Board
Chairperson Carolyn Grigorov, Town Engineer Dan Walker, and Town
Planner Floyd Forman present.
AGENDA ITEM: COMPREHENSIVE PLAN UPDATE
Town Planner Floyd Forman reported that review of the policies is
continuing.
ADJOURNMENT
Upon Motion, Chairperson Grigorov declared the January
meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned.
Respectfully submitted,
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Mary Bryant, Recording Secretary,
Nancy M. Fuller, Secretary,
Town of Ithaca Planning Board.