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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
FEBRUARY 6, 1990
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TOWN OF ITHACA
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on
Tuesday, February 6, 1990, in Town Hall, 126 East Seneca Street,
Ithaca, New York, at 7:30 p.m.
PRESENT: Chairperson Carolyn Grigorov, Robert
Virginia Langhans, William Lesser,
Attorney) , Susan C. Beeners (Town
(Acting Town Engineer) , George R.
Planner),
Kenerson, James Baker,
John C. Barney (Town
Planner) , Erik Whitney
Frantz (Assistant Town
ALSO PRESENT: Manning Wooley, Constance E. Cook, Heinz Riederer,
John Whitcomb, Ellio LeMaro, Arel LeMaro, Ivan LeMaro,
Chairperson Grigorov declared the. meeting duly opened at 7:46
p.m.
AGENDA ITEM: REVIEW OF PROPOSED INLET VALLEY WATER AND SEWER
IMPROVEMENTS.
Maps were appended to the bulletin board.
Ms. Beeners pointed out the Coy Glen area, which is a critical
environmental area. Ms. Beeners also pointed out the DEC classified
streams, the flood plain areas, the DEC and also other wetlands that
have been identified. Ms. Beeners indicated where the open space was
located by ownership. Ms. Beeners pointed out the various residential
areas, along with the commercial areas on Elmira Road,
Acting Town Engineer Erik Whitney stated that the summer of 1989
was spent preparing a corridor strip survey of roughly eight miles.
Mr. Whitney stated that, basically, a line is coming from the Elm
Street tank which is located in the City of Ithaca, adding, the reason
for doing that is that there is a 1.5 million gallon storage tank, and
it receives very little turnover right now, and it is fed by gravity
off clear wells in the City, so it would require no additional
pumping.
Mr. Whitney said that the first phase will go up Bostwick Road,
serving the Ithaca City School Bus garage, the Tompkins County Highway
Department, going up to the intersection of Seven Mile Drive, and
proceeding along Seven Mile Drive. Mr. Whitney said that College View
Mobile Home Park would be served, as well as the Town of Ithaca
Highway Department. Mr. Whitney said that the system would then loop
around to Elmira Road, then down Five Mile Drive,
Mr. Whitney said that Phase II has been planned to come down
Elmira Road, and out Enfield Falls Road. Mr. Whitney said that water
only would be going for a short distance down to Turback's, Twin Pond
Farm, and Eddydale Farm Stand, Mr. Whitney said that the Town would
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• complete their agreement with the City in Phase III, in that the
service would come down Elmira Road and West Buttermilk Falls Road.
Virginia Langhans Wondered why only water and not sewer /water was
being served to Turback's. Mr. Whitney responded that the topo was a
problem. Ms. Langhans asked if people would be required to hook up to
the water /sewer within a certain number of years. Attorney Barney
answered that it is ten years for the sewer, with no requirement for
the water.
Constance Cook, of 209 Coy
stated that she was concerned abc
area that do not have pressure,
get pressure with the water /sewer
would not really affect them very
supply.
Glen Road, spoke from the floor and
>ut some of the areas in the Glenside
and was worried that they would not
improvements. Ms. Cook said that it
much from the point of view of water
Heinz Riederer, of 496 Five Mile Drive, addressed the Board and
stated that he has a water pressure problem, especially in the second
story of his home.
Mr. Whitney offered that all three phases, which include the 1.5
million gallon storage tank, Troy Road replacement tank on South Hill,
about 2,000 feet of additional watermain on West Hill, about 2,000
feet of additional sewermain on West Hill, Inlet Valley Phase I. Phase
• II, and Phase III, which goes up Enfield Falls Road, is in the
neighborhood of 3 million dollars. Mr. Whitney said that application
was made to the State Comptrollers office on July 11, 1989, and the
Town has not, as yet, 'heard anything. Mr. Whitney stated that the
Town Board will be looking at a resolution to authorize Stearns and
Wheler to proceed with the final engineering design of Phase I. Mr.
Whitney offered that the cost is roughly $45.00 a foot for watermain,
and $35.00 a foot for sewermain, adding, there are two pump stations
included in this.
Town Planner Susan Beeners stated that there is only one
environmentally sensitive area in the project itself that would be
affected directly, and that would require a DEC permit, adding, that
is where the line would be going through the flood plain and adjacent
to a DEC wetland. Ms. Beeners said that there are some restrictions
as far as development and service in any of the flood plain or DEC
wetland areas. Ms. Beeners noted that Mr. Eddy, of Eddydale Farm
Stand, is farming most of the Brink property. Ms. Beeners said that
there is a possibility that maybe in 1992, or earlier, someone could
come in and want to develop the Brink property, adding, she would
recommend to the Planning Board that they require an additional
cluster development plan, along with a conventional plan. Ms. Beeners
mentioned the Mancini property, in that there may be a request for
rezoning.
Ms. Beeners stated that the College View Mobile Home Park
. proposes to add about 13 new units, when utilities are available on
the northern part of the site, commenting, that has to go as a
rezoning modification to the Town Board.
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• Ms. Beeners stated that the DOT has some plans, although they
will not release them, related to the widening of Elmira Road to four
lanes. George Frantz, Assistant Town Planner, offered that the
widening would start at Five Mile Drive, north. Ms. Beeners suggested
that a Master Plan for Inlet Valley be a priority item.
Mr. Lesser, directing his comment to Ms. Beeners, wondered what
steps one goes through to do a Master Plan of an area. Ms. Beeners
responded that there is the environmental inventory which could lead
to getting into a conservation overlay zoning as soon as possible,
adding that it could be done independently of getting into the need
for land use planning related to commercial development suitability or
Light Industrial development suitability. Ms. Beeners said that land
use and demographics have to be done on a Townwide basis.
There appearing to be no further discussion, Chairperson Grigorov
asked if anyone were prepared to make a motion.
MOTION by Mrs. Virginia Langhans, seconded by Mr. James Baker:
WHEREAS:
10 The Planning Board, on May 16, 1989, heard a report from the Town
Engineer and Town Planner with respect to the proposed 1989 Water
and Sewer Improvements project -- Inlet Valley.
• 2. The Town Board, on January 8, 1990, requested that the Planning
Board review the project and make recommendations on potential
priority planning studies and other action items for the lands
within the service area.
3. The Planning Board, on February 6, 1990, has heard a report from
the Engineering and Planning Departments on the project and has
discussed possible land use implications.
THEREFORE, IT IS RESOLVED:
10 That the Planning Board recognizes the public health needs for
the extension of water and sewer mains to serve properties with
inadequate private systems.
2. That the Planning Board recognizes that there are potential
growth- inducing aspects of the project on active agricultural
lands and prime agricultural soils.
3. That the Planning Board also recognizes the planning implications
of the possible widening of Route 13 /Elmira Road.
4. That the
Planning
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proposed
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Planning Board `.reports to the Town Board that the
Board presently intends to request developers of all
�bdivisions within the service area to provide an overall
the subject parcel if less than the entire parcel is
to be subdivided, and further, presently intends to
in accordance with the Subdivision Regulations, that
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• clustered development alternative plats accompany any
applications for conventional subdivision for lands then or
recently in active agricultural use.
5. That the Planning Board directs the Town Engineer and Town
Planner to request additional information on the proposed Route
13 /Elmira Road improvements planned by the N.Y.S. Department of
Transportation.
6. That the Planning Board recommends the development of a land use
master plan for the Inlet Valley area within the context of an
overall Townwide master plan, and the development of appropriate
mechanisms to protect and to regulate development in
environmentally sensitive areas within and near the service area,
including wetlands, floodplains, and steep slopes over 20 per
cent in gradient.
7. That the Planning Board further recommends as a priority the
development of appropriate mechanisms and incentives to conserve
current agricultural lands within the service area.
80 That the Planning Board further recommends as a priority the
development of an overall plan for the proper balance between
residential and business /commercial uses in the Route 13 /Elmira
Road corridor. Such plan shall include site plan review
• guidelines to control the visual impact of new development along
said Route 13 /Elmira Road corridor.
90 That, in considering any future rezoning application, the
Planning Board will consider the then status of the overall
comprehensive planning process in the Town and the impact of such
rezoning application upon such process.
At this point, Town Board member John Whitcomb stated that the
City of Ithaca has some kind of a plan to connect Route 96 with Route
13 via a connecting road across the area being discussed. Assistant
Town Planner George Frantz responded that as far as he knew there is a
proposal in the West Hill Master Plan to connect Elm Street down to
Floral Avenue, then cross the canal to Clinton Street, to Meadow
Street. Mr. Frantz offered that another idea is to have it cross the
canal very close to the City line on Floral Avenue, then connect to
Elmira Road in the vicinity of Zikakis Chevrolet, which would be the
southwest part. Mr. Kenerson stated that, presumably, it would take a
north /south route.
Mr. Whitcomb wondered about the engineer's estimated increase in
the number of housing units in the area. Mr. Whitcomb noted that 2500
was mentioned, and Mr. Frantz had estimated 900 -1500 additional
dwelling unit potential under the existing zoning. Mr. Whitcomb
wondered if the estimated increase was related to the existing R -30
zoning or the R -15 zoning that normally accompanies water /sewer
• entering an area. Mr. Frantz responded that it was, essentially, the
capacity under the existing zoning; the 1.3 dwelling units per acre is
the factor per R -30; it is what could happen under the existing
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zoning. Mr. Frantz said that he had excluded the already protected
areas such as the wetlands and flood plains from those calculations.
Chairperson Grigorov wondered if there was anything that could be
done to address the water pressure problem on Coy Glen Road, Mr.
Whitney answered that the Town could extend the main which comes down
West Haven Road, and about 300 feet down Coy Glen Road, adding, to
intersect the mains in the Elm Street pressure zone, it will have to
be interfaced with a, pressure reducing valve, and that would
adequately serve all houses on Coy Glen Road, Mr. Whitney said that
the above is not currently included within the scope of the project.
Mr. Whitney stated that the Town Board commissioned a study of West
Hill last year as far as future water storage and distribution,
adding, that was done by Lozier Engineers.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
Chairperson Grigorov
proposed Inlet Valley Water
p.m.
OTHER BUSINESS:
declared the matter of
the
review
of
the
and Sewer Improvements
duly
closed
at
9:15
Mr. Arel LeMaro, of Prodecon, addressed the Board and stated that
he is before the Board with a revised submittal to his initial sketch
plan that was presented to the Planning Board on November 21, 19890
Mr. Arel LeMaro referred to a letter addressed to Ms. Carolyn
Grigorov, from Ellio R. LeMaro, dated February 6, 1990. [Letter and
attachments attached hereto as Exhibit 1].
Board member William Lesser stated that, basically, Mr. LeMaro is
proposing lots that are smaller than a lot of downtown lots.
Assistant Town Planner offered that the minimum street frontage on a
City lot is 50 feet. Mr. LeMaro said that there are a total of 287
cluster lots, and in a purely conventional plot there would be 220
lots. Mr. LeMaro noted that the density, according to cluster,
provides for a maximum of 3.5 units per acre, and he is proposing
three units per acre. Mr. LeMaro stated that the total acreage is
ninety -five. Mr. LeMaro offered that the homes would be stick - built.
Mr. LeMaro stated that his firm wants to build the homes between
$501000.00- $851000.00 on the cluster, and between
$901000.00- $120,000.00 on the conventional. Mr. LeMaro stated that
time increases the cost of affordable housing; as time goes by, the
cost increases.
• Ms. Beeners indicated that one option for Prodecon would be for
them to go back and look at the Ceracche plan, meet with staff and the
Planning Board again to see whether that one could be used as a way to
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• equate the number of conventional units, then go with the 220 lots,
if, indeed, the Ceracche plan is a good conventional model. Ms.
Beeners said that if the LeMaros want to proceed with the two waivers
- the right -of -way and also the distance between buildings, the
absence of having any mandate made by the Planning Board or made by
the Town Board to the Planning Board that there shall be affordable
housing, then where arethe unnecessary or practical difficulties that
have to be the grounds for a waiver? Ms. Beeners stated that a
shorter process of the matter, as far as getting a resolution of this
number of units, might be to go to the Town Board and ask for a
Special Land Use District rezoning. Ms. Beeners, directing her
comments to Mr. LeMaro, stated that Procedon has to figure out how
they can deal and comply in all respects with what the cluster
subdivision regulations require, or the firm can go to the Town Board
and request a waiver of the right -of -way requirement, making sure that
they have the ability to do such, given the provisions of State Town
Law, and apply for some kind of a rezoning, adding, it could be a
Special Land Use District if kept at the proposed size of lot. Ms.
Beeners noted that, alternatively, as Mr. Frantz had suggested, if it
were raised to an R 7 ,9 size lot with certain modifications and
conditions placed on that, then maybe it could fit into R -9. Ms.
Beeners stated that she' thought the matter has to go before the Town
Board.
At this point, Ms. Beeners reported that the Town Board is going
to receive a Draft Development Review Fee Schedule, which is in the
range of $50.00 - $100.00 per lot for an application and review fee
charge, commenting, that would only cover public hearing and review
time. Ms. Beeners said that there are also some fees set up for site
plans. Ms. Beeners stated that there would be an escrow deposit made
by the developer, adding, it is meant to create some incentive on the
applicant's part to bring in things that do not need too much review.
Mr. Lesser inquired about the applications for the Planning Board
vacancy. Ms. Beeners responded that three applications have been
received. Ms. Beeners said that the applicants would be interviewed
individually in Executive Session on February 27, 1990, commencing at
6:30 p.m. Attorney Barney suggested having the applicants submit a
written statement, which then would become part of the record, and
made available to the public, as well as the other candidates. The
Board agreed with Attorney Barney that the written statement could be
put on a voluntary basis, and not a mandatory requirement. Ms.
Beeners stated that the regular meeting marathon would start at 7:40
p.m.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - SEPTEMBER 19, 1989
MOTION by William Lesser, seconded by Virginia Langhans:
RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
Meeting of September 19, 1989, be and hereby are approved as written.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
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Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - JANUARY 9, 1990
February 6, 1990
MOTION by Robert Kenerson, seconded by James Baker:
RESOLVED, that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
Meeting of January 9, 1990, be and hereby are approved as presented.
There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote.
Aye - Grigorov, Kenerson, Baker, Langhans, Lesser.
Nay - None.
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously.
ADJOURNMENT:
Upon Motion, Chairperson Grigorov declared the February 6, 1990,
meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at 10:35
p.m.
• Respectfully submitted,
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Mary Bryant, Recording Secretary,
Nancy Fuller, Secretary,
Town of Ithaca Planning Board.
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PROJECT - DESIGN CONSTRUCTION - TECHNICAL AUDITING - CONSULTING SERVICES
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February 6, 1990
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Ms. Carolyn Grigorov
Town Planning Board, Chai rperson
Town of Ithaca
126 Fast Seneca Street
Ithaca, New York 14850
RE: Request Modification of Town Subdivision
Regulations For Affordable Housing Project
Dear Ms. Grigorov:
Our project was conceived around the basic objective of bridging the
affordability gap between household incomes and housing costs. We feel
affordable home ownership, as evidenced by the recent elections, is a
major issue for local government leaders. However, we have experienced
a lack of support when trying to present solutions to this issue.
Our proposed development *,'lis designed to provide first -time homebuyers
in this community with` an efficient, good quality starter home. Our
homes are aimed at young professionals and young families. This
segment of the market is'as interested in owning a home as any previous
generation. Affordable homeownership is a local problem in that young
households find it increasingly difficult to stay in the community
where they were raised because of escalating home prices. Our project
will offer attractive detached single - family homes as a viable
alternative to dense townhouse development. We have designed this
project in an effort to provide homeownership to a critical and
deserving part of our community that has indicated a strong preference
for single - family detached housing over townhouse or multifamily
housing.
Current local zoning and subdivision regulations present formidable
barriers to affordable detached housing development. These regulations
and policies severely limit and therefore discourage development of
affordable single - family' housing. They ,infact, offer no incentive to
do affordale housing pr`;ojects. We feel these barriers have more
political than technical: substance.
In the interest of expediting the approval of our proposed development
on the Ceracche proper.'ty we have revised the waivers requested in our
Sketch Plan submittal elated November 10, 19890 The revised
modifications have been' reduced from the original 10 items to include
only 2 items. These two modifications to the current Town Subdivision
Regulations are critical and necessary to develop an affordably priced
detached single - family project. We respectfully request that the
Planning Board considers granting the following modifications to the
Subdivision Regulations:
1, Reduction of the minimum 60' right -of -way width (Article IV,
Section 23.10) tc� 40' for minor_ roads and 34' for cul-de -saes.
The proposed NorthySouth connector. road through the property will
have a 60' ROW.
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PROJECT - DESIGN CONSTMUCTION - TECHNICAL AUDITING - CONSULTING SERVICE`
P.O. BOX 6435 • jlT11ACI\0 NEIw YO [`;F: (/1851 6435 (607) 272 -0097 • (607) 273 -433:
February 6, 1990
Ms. Carolyn Grigorov
Town Planning Board, Chairperson
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The current 60 foot right-of-way width requirement for cul-de-sac
and minor streets is much wider than necessary for the expected
traffic, and out -'of -scale for a clustered small lot subdivision.
This requirements' reflects a past era of lower land values. Wide
rights -of -way occupy land which could be used for housing or as
open space. The reduction in ROW widths provides significant
benefits to the Tgwn because additional land is put on the tax
rolls, and also 'it decreases the amount of land for which it has
responsibility of :maintenance. The homeowner gains by having
more usable lamd and lower home costs. A narrower ROW in the
cul-de -sacs and minor streets will create a more pleasant and
proportionate streetscape for the project and will significantly
reduce road development and utility installation costs.
A viable, less costly alternate to accommodating other uses other
than roads (e.g.,! placement of utilities) in the ROW would be by
using utility easements. An easement would allow placement of
lines in the shortest available path, decreasing the overall
length of the line; and reducing costs. Haneowners would maintain
and use the easement areas, saving the Town money and adding land
for the homeowners' enjoyment. .Also, the easement land is
taxable. Legal ;rights to the easement land would be assigned to
the Town, utilityq� companies, and homeowners.
2. Reduction of the 30' distance separation between structures
(Article V, Section 32.6) to 8' minimum between adjacent
residential units.: Separations would vary based on configuration
of units from an 8' to 16'. There are precedents for reduced
spacing between uriits in Ithac -a, e.g., Eastwood Canmons, Downtown
Ithaca, Chase Pond.
Clustering the .&mes as proposed will reduce environmetal
disturbance caused by clearing and grading, and will save on the
infrastructure needed to service the units. Our proposed
clustered plan allows for greater amounts of common open space
and the preservati "on of attractive features of the site, e.g,,,
trees, natural drainage systems. The biggest savings will be the
lower land and infrastructure improvement costs per unit due to
the higher net density achieved by clustering. Our plan would
make efficient us4 of community services such as roads, and water
and sewer systems. There would not be any wasted capacity costs
typical of traditional housing developments. In addition, the
clustered cul-de -sac arrangement will increase the sense of
ccimnunity among residents within each cluster.
Our project will require modification of this regulation in order
to proceed with ,the cluster design concept. We have designed six
model units specifically for siting on the 36' x 100' lots. To go
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Ms, Carolyn Grigorov
Town Planning Board,
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Chairperson
back and redesigry 'six new units to comply with the 30 feet
separation requirement will require an additional 10 weeks at a
cost of about $70,000. Also, increasing the spacing between
units will diminish the total number of units for the project,
and therefore increase the per unit land and improvement costs.
Affordability given the conventional circumstances is only
feasible by increasing densities.
We feel our only other alternative to maintaining affordability
would be to design townhouses. This would entirely change the
concept we want !ft o create for this site and might not be
cm patible with the charater of the surrounding neighborhoods.
We respectully request ,that the Planning Board consider the above
request for modification to Subdivision Regulations. As it is, the
existing regulations impose a significant hardship to the development
of affordably priced units and will ultimately drive the unit costs
outside the affordability range.
Sincerely
Ellio R. LeMaro
Project Manager
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