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TOWN OF ITHACA
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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD C1erk22
MAY 19 , 1987
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on
Tuesday , May 19 , 1987 , in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street , Ithaca , .
New York , at 7 : 30 p . m .
PRESENT : Chairman Montgomery May , James Baker , Carolyn Grigorov ,
Virginia Langhans , Edward Mazza , David Klein , Robert
Kenerson , William Lesser , Susan C . Beeners ( Town Planner ) ,
Robe= rt R . Flumerfelt ( Town Engineer ) , Andrew S . Frost ( Town
Building Inspector / Zoning Enforcement Officer ) , John C .
Barney , Esq . ( Town Attorney ) ,
ALSO PRESENT : Valerie Littlefield , John Littlefield , John Perialas ,
Carol Taylor , - Raymond Taylor , Claudia Weisburd , Shelley
M . Blackler , Marie Cario , Barbara J . Bredbenner , Edgar
Bredbenner , Douglas Armstrong , Herbert Deinert , David
C . Auble , Scott Brim , John Cake , Dora Barnett , Peter
Hillman , Paul Kelsey , Elliott Lauderdale , Margie
Rumsey , Daniel Booth , Sarah Whipple , Joyce Hickes , E .
L . Rose Gostanian Monkemeyer , Herbert N . Monkemeyer ,
Evan N . Monkemeyer , Andrea Coby , Kathy McLaren , Lenny
Fromkes , Attorney Robert Clune , Carol Hill .
• Chairman May declared the meeting duly opened at 7 : 30 p . m . and
accepted for the record the Clerk ' s Affidavit of Posting and
Publication of the Notice of Public Hearings in Town Hall and the
Ithaca Journal on May 11 , 1987 , and May 14 , 1987 , respectively ,
together with the Clerk ' s Affidavit of Service by Mail of said Notice
upon the various neighbors of each of the properties under discussion ,
as appropriate , upon the Regional Manager of Finger Lakes State Parks ,
Recreation , and Historic Preservation , upon both the Clerk and the
Building Commissioner of the City of Ithaca , upon the Tompkins County
Superintendent: of Public Works , upon the Tompkins County Commissioner
of Planning , and upon the applicants and / or Agent , as appropriate , on
May 14 , 1987 .
PUBLIC HEARINcJ : CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN APPROVAL OF A PROPOSED
CHILDREN ' S OUTDOOR PLAY AREA , PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ADJACENT TO THE
FRONT ENTRANCE OF COURTSIDE RACQUET AND FITNESS CLUB , 16 JUDD FALLS
ROAD , TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL NO , 6 - 43 - 1 - 51 BUSINESS DISTRICT " C " .
CAROL TAYLOR , APPLICANT .
i Chairman May declared the Public Hearing in the above - noted
matter duly opened at 7 : 34 p . m . and read aloud from the Notice of
Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above . Ms .
Taylor was present .
Ms . Taylor appeared before the Board and stated that she was
requesting approval to construct a 20 - foot by 24 - foot play area
outside the front entrance of the Courtside Racquet and Fitness Club .
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• Ms . Taylor noted that a fence will be erected to enclose a grassed
area .
Chairman May , noting that this was a Public Hearing , asked if
anyone from the public wished to speak to this issue . No one spoke .
Chairman May closed the Public Hearing at 7 : 45 p . m . and asked for
questions or comments from the Board .
Mrs . Grigorov asked about the number of children , with Ms . Taylor
responding that there will be no more than ten or eleven at any time ,
and there will be an adult supervisor on the premises at all times .
Mr . Mazza expressed his concern for the safety of the children .
Ms . Taylor stated that there is an existing boundary of railroad ties
around the area now , and mentioned that she and Ms . Beeners had
discussed having another layer of railroad ties which would then make
it high enough to stop a bumper on a car . Ms . Beeners commented that
there would be 16 inches of ties along the entrance area plus the
picket fence . Ms . Beeners stated that she had spoken with Mr .
Flumerfelt and he had suggested that some concrete wheel stops that
could be spiked in the ground would probably be the best protection .
Mrs . Langhans asked Ms . Taylor if there ever was a time when all
the parking spaces were used , with Ms . Taylor responding that the
parking spaces are filled in the winter months , but not ususally in
the summer months . Mrs . Langhans wondered if there would be any
• hardship if the parking spaces were eliminated in the summertime . Ms .
Taylor stated that there are specific times for this use - - morning
hours and evening hours - - 9 : 00 a . m . to Noon , and 5 : 00 p . m . to 8 : 00
P . M . Mrs . Langhans inquired about the space between the fence and the
grill of the car , with Ms . Taylor indicating that there is
approximately a foot , and reiterating that the only time the parking
area is used around the Club is in the winter months when the other
lot is not plowed . Ms . Taylor offered that something could be worked
out so that parking near the play area could be eliminated during the
time the children are present .
Mr . Mazza asked how the parking could be restricted during the
time the children were at play , with Ms . Taylor replying that they
would erect a sign , and adding that there would be a total of six
spaces affected .
Mr . Flumerfelt suggested that , if parking were really needed , a
more substantial steel guard rail , two feet away from the fence , could
be erected , and this would solve the problem of having to erect a
sign .
Chairman May asked Ms . Beeners if there were any plantings
planned for the north side of the Courtside building . Ms . Taylor
offered that her original proposal had been for the other side of the
entrance , but that was rejected because , if they were ever going to
expand , that would be where the expansion would be . Ms . Beeners
recalled that the site plan for the area had been approved in 1982 ,
and stated that: the main area where there was not a fulfillment of the
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• site plan plantings was along the road which was pretty much an
asphalt area . Ms . Beeners also recalled that there had been a Letter
of Credit at one time in regard to the plantings . Ms . Beeners stated
that she had discussed this with former Town Engineer Fabbroni and it
was his opinion that what had transpired at that time had been
satisfactory . Ms . Beeners stated that there are some barriers in the
front area , but it is a little more enchanced in the back , insofar as
plantings are concerned .
Chairman May wondered if the Letter of Credit had been released ,
with Ms . Beeners responding that it was Mr . Fabbroni ' s understanding
that it had been , and adding that she had not located any record of
it , however . Chairman May stated that the Board needed clarification
as to why these plantings have not been done and the status of the
planting schedule . Chairman May stated that he felt the Board should
have this information before approving the play area proposal . Ms .
Beeners offered that she would research the matter with respect to
exactly what has happened , and stated that she did not feel that the
play area proposal should be held up for this reason .
Chairman May asked if there were any further comments or
questions . There being none , Chairman May asked if anyone were
prepared to make a motion .
MOTION by Dr . William Lesser , seconded by Mr . James Baker :
• WHEREAS :
1 . This action is the consideration of Site Plan Approval for a
proposed children ' s play area , proposed to be located adjacent to
the front: entrance of Courtside Racquet and Fitness Club , 16 Judd
Falls Road , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 43 - 1 - 51 Business
District " C " .
2 . This is an Unlisted action for which the Planning Board has been
legislatively designated to act as Lead Agency for environmental
review , and for which the Town Planner has recommended a negative
determination of environmental significance , subject to certain
conditions .
THEREFORE , IT IS RESOLVED :
That the Planning Board , acting as Lead Agency in the
environmental review of this action , make and hereby does make a
negative determination of environmental significance subject to the
secure installation of a steel guardrail in the parking space on the
northerly and westerly sides of the play area two feet from the
perimeter fence surrounding the play area , and further subject to the
inspection of: the play area installation by the Town Building
Inspector .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Mazza , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser .
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• Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
MOTION by Dr . William Lesser , seconded by Mrs . Carolyn Grigorov :
WHEREAS *
1 . This action is the consideration of Site Plan Approval for a
proposed children ' s play area , proposed to be located adjacent to
the front. entrance of Courtside Racquet and Fitness Club , 16 Judd
Falls Road , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 43 - 1 - 5 , Business
District " C " .
2 . This is an Unlisted action for which the Planning Board , acting
as Lead Agency for environmental review , has made a negative
determination of environmental significance , subject to certain
conditions .
3 . The Planning Board , at a Public Hearing on May 19 , 1987 , has
reviewed the following :
" Revised Site Plan Showing Proposed Play Area " , dated May
12 , 1987 .
" Plans for Play Area at Courtside Racquet and Fitness Club " .
• SEQR Short EAF ,
THEREFORE , IT IS RESOLVED :
That the Planning Board grant and hereby does grant Site Plan
Approval for the proposal as presented , subject to the secure
installation of a steel guardrail in the parking space on the
northerly and westerly sides of the play area two feet from the
perimeter fence surrounding the play area , and further subject to the
inspection of the play area installation by the Town Building
Inspector . This Approval is contingent on the agreement that the full
landscaping plan , substantially as shown in the 1982 site plan for
Courtside Racquet and Fitness Club , be completed to the satisfaction
of the Town Planner by October 31 , 1987 .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Mazza , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
Chairman May declared the matter of the Courtside play area duly
closed at 8 : 09 p . m .
PUBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD
• OF APPEALS WITH RESPECT TO A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL APPROVAL OF A SCHOOL
USE , PURSUANT 'TO ARTICLE IV , SECTION 11 , PARAGRAPH 4 , OF THE TOWN OF
ITHACA ZONING ORDINANCE , FOR THE PROPOSED CONSTRUCTION OF A NURSERY
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SCHOOL BUILDING ON A PORTION OF TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL N0 ,
6 - 60 - 1 - 161 LOCATED IN A RESIDENCE DISTRICT R- 15 , AT 142 HONNESS LANE ,
FOR THE PROPOSED RELOCATION OF AN EXISTING MONTESSORI NURSERY SCHOOL
( LITTLE FEET ) CURRENTLY IN OPERATION AT 139 HONNESS LANE , TOWN OF
ITHACA TAX PARCEL NO . 6 - 58 - 2 - 39 . 6 . JOHN AND DORIS PERIALAS , PROPERTY
OWNERS ; JOHN AND VALERIE LITTLEFIELD , APPLICANTS . ( ADJOURNED FROM MAY
5 , 1987 . )
Chairman May declared the Adjourned Public Hearing in the
above -noted matter duly opened at 8 : 10 p . m . and read aloud from the
Notice of Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above .
Mr . Perialas was present , as were his daughter and son - in - law , Valerie
and John Littlefield .
Mr . Perialas appeared before the Board and stated that he was
requesting approval to construct a building designed to be a school at
142 Honness Lane , Mr . Perialas stated that the proposed school will
be larger than the one presently existing at 139 Honness Lane ,
Chairman May , noting that this was a Public Hearing , asked if
anyone from the public wished to speak to this matter .
Mr . Scott. Brim , 146 Honness Lane , spoke from the floor and asked
what the building would look like and what will be done with the
existing student apartments on the site . Mr . Brim asked about parking
and car access area . Mr . Perialas stated that the plans are to paint
• the existing apartments .
Dr . Lesser asked where the parking area was for the apartments ,
with Mr . Perialas responding that it was between the road and the
building , and adding that the future parking will be in the back of
the apartments . Mr . Perialas stated that the present " Little Feet "
nursery school will revert back to a two - family dwelling .
Mrs . Langhans wondered how many children were presently enrolled
at the school , with Mrs . Littlefield responding , 27 to 33 .
Mrs . Marie Carlo , 143 Honness Lane , spoke from the floor and
asked about the number of children proposed for the new building .
Mrs . Littlefield stated that under the square footage requirements
according to the New York State Department of Social Services , they
would be able to enroll 120 children with 12 or 13 staff members .
Mrs . Littlefield stated that the school hours would be 7 : 30 a . m . to
5 : 30 p . m . , Monday through Friday . Mrs . Littlefield noted that the
times for delivering and picking up the children would be staggered ,
as they are presently at the existing school .
Mr . Mazza wondered what would happen with 120 children involved ,
and asked how that would be handled . Mrs . Littlefield stated that it
would handled as it is now - - by staggering the pick- up and delivery
times . Mr . Mazza asked about the proposed number of parking spaces ,
• with Mrs . Littlefield responding that there will be 16 spaces in the
front with provision for additional parking in the back .
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• Chairman May voiced his concern that there may be a problem with
the driveway , although it is proposed to be approximately 200 feet
long and 14 feet wide , in that there could be a problem with cars
getting stacked up on Honness Lane ,
Mrs . Barbara Bredbenner , 141 Honness Lane , spoke from the floor
and stated that she was the owner of the property east of the proposed
school . Mrs . Bredbenner stated that that property is an undeveloped
lot which she has owned since 1958 . Mrs . Bredbenner stated that she
was concerned with density and also traffic in the area .
Chairman May wondered if there would be a problem constructing a
larger driveway . Ms . Beeners offered that a 14 - foot driveway with
3 - foot shoulders was recommended . Mr . Flumerfelt suggested that a
16 - foot driveway with 2 - foot shoulders would give ample room for
two-way traffic . Mr . Klein suggested constructing a loop road .
Chairman May noted that a 20 - foot roadway width is required by the
Fire Department . After a brief discussion , Chairman May indicated
that a looped driveway would be the best solution .
Mr . Edgar Bredbenner , 141 Honness Lane , spoke from the floor and
asked about the size of the proposed building . Chairman May stated
that it is proposed to be 55 feet by 70 feet , with a 40 - foot by
15 - foot jog out of that . Mr . Bredbenner voiced his concern about
density and traffic on the road at the present time .
• Mr . Mazza, wondered why such a large facility was being proposed ,
with Mr . Perialas responding that there is a great demand for day care
in the area .
Mr . Douglas Armstrong , 121 Honness Lane , spoke from the floor and
expressed his concern about density and more traffic in the area . Mr .
Armstrong staged that the proposal is for a public institution in a
residential neighborhood . Mrs . Littlefield stated that it was a
private facility .
Chairman .May asked if anyone else wished to speak to this matter .
Mr . Herbert Deinert , 130 Honness Lane , spoke from the floor and
stated his concern about the increased flow of traffic and density in
the area .
Mr . Brim stated that Honness Lane is the main shortcut to get to
Snyder Hill Road .
There appearing to be no further comments from the public
present , Chairman May closed the Public Hearing at 8 : 45 p . m . and
brought the matter back to the Board for discussion .
Ms . Beene :rs inquired as to the plans for expansion over the next
few years , wondering how soon they expected the school ' s enrollment
• would reach 50 on up to 120 children . Mr . Perialas stated that
reaching 50 enrollees would be fairly soon ; an enrollment of 120
children would probably take a year or two .
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• Mr . Klein inquired about there being two buildings , which are not
accessory to each other , located on this same lot . Chairman May
described the legal non - conforming apartment building presently
located on the subject lot and stated that constructing another
non - conforming use would require a variance . Town Attorney Barney
stated that a school is not a non- conforming use ; schools are a
permitted use subject to the approval of the Zoning Board of Appeals .
Ms . Beeners stated that at the time the applicants presented the
proposal , she had suggested that they not show a subdivision of the
lot on the plan , but , at least , show the capability for that approach
permitting 30 , 000 square feet for the apartment building . Ms . Beeners
stated that she had also advised the applicants that , while it may not
look like the greatest place for a road , as it has been proposed it
could be continued , at some point , north into Cornell lands . Ms .
Beeners also suggested that if the Littlefields could demonstrate
being able to also retain and allocate 60 feet for the access to the
school , that would be another way of working within the rules . Ms .
Beeners pointed out that , as far as distance between two principal
buildings on one lot is concerned , that is not a problem - - the Little
Feet proposal meets all requirements in that respect .
There appearing to be no further comments , Chairman May called
for motion .
• MOTION by Mrs . Virginia Langhans , seconded by Mr . James Baker :
RESOLVED , that the matter of the proposed Little Feet Montessori
school be and hereby is adjourned to Tuesday , June 2 , 1987 , at 7 : 35
p . m . , with the request that the applicants present a plan showing a
loop road , existing parking , and access to the existing apartment
building .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Mazza , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser .
Nay - None .
The MOTIO14 was declared to be carried unanimously .
Chairman May declared the Little Feet matter duly adjourned at
8 : 54 p . m .
PUBLIC HEARIr1G0 CONSIDERATION OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL AND
CONSIDERATION OF A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING BOARD OF APPEALS WITH
RESPECT TO A REQUEST FOR SPECIAL APPROVAL OF A SCHOOL USE , PURSUANT TO
ARTICLE V , SECTION 18 , PARAGRAPH 41 OF THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING
ORDINANCE , FOR THE PROPOSED OPERATION OF THE MONTESSORI ELEMENTARY AND
SECONDARY SCHOOL OF ITHACA , PROPOSED TO BE LOCATED ON EAST KING ROAD ,
RESIDENCE DISTRICT R- 30 , ON A 2 ± ACRE PORTION OF TOWN OF ITHACA TAX
PARCEL NO . 6 - 43 - 1 - 3 . 2 ( 46 . 96 ACRES ) . HERBERT N . MONKEMEYER , PROPERTY
• OWNER ; ANDREA B . COBY , SCHOOL ADMINISTRATOR AND AGENT /APPLICANT .
Chairman :May declared the Public Hearing in the above - noted
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• matter duly opened at 8 : 55 p . m . and read aloud from the Notice of
Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above . Ms . Coby ,
School Administrator , was present .
Ms . Coby appeared before the Board and gave a brief history of
the School , stating that the School was started in 1979 with nine
children in attendance and , presently , the enrollment is 102 . Ms .
Coby stated that for the last three years the School has been located
in the former Cayuga Heights Elementary School ,
Ms . Coby distributed copies of a map to the Board members , and
introduced Mr „ John Cake , a member of the School ' s Board of Directors
and one of the Architects for the proposed school . Ms . Coby and Mr .
Cake appended four large maps to the bulletin board . Mr . Cake stated
that the proposed building is a little less than 10 , 000 square feet ,
situated off East King Road with access to the building intended to be
off a future road which loops from East King back down to Route 96B
[ Danby Road ] . Mr . Cake stated that there will be a long drive back
into the property . Mr . Cake stated that , basically , there will be
four large classrooms and a multi - purpose room . Mr . Cake stated that
there will be six buses in the morning and four buses in the afternoon
for approximately 100 students . Mr . Cake also stated that almost all
of the students will be transported to the School by bus , adding that
the pre - school children , ages 2j to 5 , attend the half - day program ,
and further adding that these pre - school children are brought in by
the parents .
• Chairman May , noting that this was a Public Hearing , asked if
there were anyone who wished to speak to the matter of the East King
Road Montessori School ,
Ms . Dora Barnett , 107 East King Road , spoke from the floor and
asked where the building is going to be located on East King Road ,
Mr . Herbert Monkemeyer stated that the building is going to be located
approximately two blocks up from Danby Road .
There appearing to be no further comments from the public ,
Chairman May closed the Public Hearing at 9 : 15 p . m . and brought the
matter back to the Board for discussion .
Dr . Lesser stated that his two children attend the Montessori
Elementary and Secondary School of Ithaca , and asked if the Board
memebers felt that he should abstain from any discussion on this
matter . It was the consensus of the Board that Dr . Lesser need not
abstain from participating in this matter .
Mr . Herbert Monkemeyer stated that this particular farmsite was
once the site of the King Road Schoolhouse and , so , he felt that this
was a particularly appropriate site for a school .
Mr . Mazza. inquired about the area on the map which indicated
• " Town Park " . Ms . Coby responded that that area is shown as a proposed
park , adding that when the topic of a park came up during discussions
with Ms . Beeners she had suggested including a proposed Town park on
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• the site plan . Ms . Coby stated that the proposed park site is a
little over one acre in size - - 220 feet by 250 feet [ 1 . 26 acres ] , and
added that they have agreed with the Town to put in a pond across the
street - - south of the School - - on King Road .
Mr . Klein asked about access to the School , noting that the
applicant is relying totally on the " future road " : Mr . Cake stated
that the road will be developed as a road and they will maintain it .
Mr . Cake noted that the road probably will not be paved for a while
yet . Chairman May wondered if the school buses would travel on the
road , with Mr . Cake responding that they would check on that . Mr .
Mazza asked if the future road is an officially platted Town road or
would Mr . Monkemeyer continue to own the land . Mr . Evan Monkemeyer
stated that the right of way for the road is 80 - 100 feet wide ,
sweeping from King Road to Danby Road , and , there will also be an
extra 20 - 30 foot greenbelt strip which they want to maintain as
access for drainage , utilities , and plantings .
Mr . Mazza expressed his concern that , without an easement for
access , there may be a problem with traffic ingress and egress for
possible future owners . Town Attorney Barney asked what kind of
access was going to be granted to the owners of the School . Mr .
Herbert Monkerneyer responded that this will be worked out with the
School , adding that they will do everything they can to help the
School . Town Attorney Barney stated that a site plan is needed
showing an irrevocable dedication of access in some form .
• Mrs . Grigorov asked about access to the proposed park area . Mr .
Evan Monkemeyer stated that a bicycle path or walking strip has been
provided from East King Road to gain access to the park . Ms . Beeners
wondered if access to the park will be provided from the circular
access road and noted that more information may be needed with respect
to the different types of access provided to the park .
There appearing to be no further comments or questions from the
Board members , Chairman May asked if anyone were prepared to offer a
motion .
MOTION by Mrs . Virginia Langhans , seconded by Mrs . Carolyn
Grigorov :
WHEREAS :
1 . This action is the consideration of Subdivision Approval for the
proposed subdivision of a 2 ± acre lot from Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No . 6 - 43 - 1 - 3 . 2 ( 46 . 96 acres ) , located on East King Road ,
and the consideration of a Recommendation to the Zoning Board of
Appeals with respect to a request for Special Approval of a
School Use , pursuant to Article V , Section 18 , Paragraph 4 , of
the Town of Ithaca Zoning Ordinance , for the proposed operation
of the Montessori Elementary and Secondary School of Ithaca on
• said 2 ± acre lot .
2 . This is an Unlisted action for which the Planning Board has been
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• legislatively determined to act as Lead Agency for environmental
review of the proposed subdivision , and the Zoning Board of
Appeals to act as Lead Agency for the proposed Special Approval .
3 . The Town Planner has recommended a negative determination of
environmental significance , with certain conditions .
THEREFORE , IT IS RESOLVED :
1 . That the Planning Board , acting as Lead Agency in the
environmental review of the proposed subdivision , make and hereby
does make a negative determination of environmental significance
for the proposed subdivision , with the following conditions :
a . The provision of a final subdivision map prepared by a
licensed surveyor or engineer , suitable for filing by the
Tompkins County Clerk , for approval by the Town Engineer ,
showing the precise location of access and manner of
construction of driveway over the " future right of way " .
b . The configuration of the park site is approved in concept ,
with further information necessary on potential development
of the 46 . 96 acre parcel necessary prior to any final park
site approval . An easement shall be provided to the park
site from East King Road either over the access road or
directly from East King Road as part of the current
• subdivision proposal .
c . The building shall conform with the Zoning Ordinance
requirements including as to height .
2 . That the Planning Board recommend and hereby does recommend to
the Zoning Board of Appeals that a negative determination of
environmental significance be made for the proposed Special
Approval with the following conditions :
a . The final site plan shall be subject to approval by the Town
Engineering , Planning , and Zoning Department .
b . Expansion of parking facilities from the 12 currently
proposed to 20 shall be made , and the final design of any
other circulation improvements subject to approval by the
Town Engineering , Planning , and Zoning Department , and with
the condition that additional parking may be required by the
Town at any time .
c . Parking , delivery and loading rules , and scheduling shall be
implemented and enforced by the applicant .
d . The Special Approval shall be personal to the applicants ,
shall not be transferrable , and shall not run with the land .
• e . The `.Town shall reserve the right to impose additional
conditions at any time .
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• f . The Special Approval shall be subject to all conditions and
regulations required by the New York State Education
Department , the Tompkins County Health Department , and the
New York State Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Mazza , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
MOTION by Mrs . Carolyn Grigorov , seconded by Mr . James Baker :
WHEREAS :
1 . This action is the consideration of Subdivision Approval for the
proposed subdivision of a 2 ± acre lot from Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No . 6 - 43 - 1 - 3 . 2 ( 46 . 96 acres ) , located on East King Road ,
and the consideration of a Recommendation to the Zoning Board of
Appeals with respect to a request for Special Approval of a
School Use , pursuant to Article V , Section 18 , Paragraph 4 , of
the Town of Ithaca Zoning Ordinance , for the proposed operation
of the Montessori Elementary and Secondary School of Ithaca on
said 2 ± acre lot .
• 2 . This is an Unlisted action for which the Planning Board , acting
as Lead Agency for environmental review of the proposed
subdivision , has made a negative determination of environmental
significance for the proposed subdivision and has recommended to
the Zoning Board of Appeals a negative determination of
environmental significance for the proposed Special Approval ,
with certain conditions .
3 . The Planning Board , at a Public Hearing on May 19 , 1987 , has
reviewed -the following material :
" Proposed Subdivision for Montessori Elementary School " on
" Composite Plan Showing Certain Features on Lands of Herbert
N . Monkemeyer , Evan Monkemeyer , and Lenora Ann Monkemeyer " .
" Site Plan - Montessori School " .
SEQR Long EAF ,
Special Approval Request ,
THEREFORE , IT IS RESOLVED :
1 . That the Planning Board waive and hereby does waive certain
requirements for Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval ,
having determined from the materials presented that such waiver
will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of
subdivision control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the
• Town Board ,
2 . That the Planning Board waive and hereby does waive Preliminary
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•
Subdivision Approval and grant and hereby does grant Final
Subdivision Approval to the subdivision as proposed , with the
following conditions :
a . The provision of a final subdivision map prepared by a
licensed surveyor or engineer , suitable for filing by the
Tompkins County Clerk , for approval by the Town Engineer ,
showing the precise location of access and manner of
construction of driveway over the " future right of way " .
b . The configuration of the park site is approved in concept ,
with. further information necessary on potential development
of the 46 . 96 acre parcel necessary prior to any final park
site approval . An easement shall be provided to the park
site from East King Road either over the access road or
directly from East King Road as part of the current
subdivision proposal .
c . The building shall conform with the Zoning Ordinance
requirements including as to height .
3 . That the Planning Board , determining that there is a need for the
proposed use in the proposed location , that the existing and
probable future character of the neighborhood in which the use is
to be located will not be adversely affected , and that the
proposed change is in accordance with a comprehensive plan of
development of the Town , recommend and hereby does recommend to
the Zoning Board of Appeals that Special Approval as proposed be
granted , with the following conditions :
a . The final site plan shall be subject to approval by the Town
Engineering , Planning , and Zoning Department .
b . Expansion of parking facilities from the 12 currently
proposed to 20 shall be made , and the final design of any
other- circulation improvements subject to approval by the
Town Engineering , Planning , and Zoning Department , and with
the condition that additional parking may be required by the
Town at any time .
c . Parking , delivery and loading rules , and scheduling shall be
implemented and enforced by the applicant .
d . The Special Approval shall be personal to the applicants ,
shall not be transferrable , and shall not run with the land .
e . The Town shall reserve the right to impose additional
conditions at any time .
f . The Special Approval shall be subject to all conditions and
regulations required by the New York State Education
• Department , the Tompkins County Health Department , and the
New York State Uniform Fire Prevention and Building Code .
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• There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Mazza , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
Chairman May declared the matter of the proposed Montessori
Elementary and. Secondary School of Ithaca duly closed at 9 : 43 p . m .
PUBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR THE
PROPOSED SUBDIVISION OF A 7 . 75 ACRE PARCEL , TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL
NO . 6 - 39 - 1 - 25 , KNOWN AS 371 STONE QUARRY ROAD , CONTIGUOUS TO THE WEST
OF LANDS OF CAYUGA VISTA , INTO TWO PARCELS OF 5 . 87 ± ACRES AND 1 . 88 ±
ACRES , AND FURTHER , CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO THE ZONING
BOARD OF APPEALS WITH RESPECT TO A REQUEST FOR VARIANCE OF ARTICLE
III , SECTION 91 PARAGRAPH 3 , OF THE TOWN OF ITHACA ZONING ORDINANCE ,
TO PERMIT THE RELOCATION OF AN EXISTING THREE - UNIT DWELLING FROM TOWN
OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL NO . 6 - 39 - 1 - 5 ( 1018 DANBY ROAD ) TO A PORTION OF
SAID PARCEL NO . 6 - 39 - 1 - 25 , SUCH RELOCATED BUILDING TO BE PROVIDED WITH
A 60 - FOOT FUTURE ROAD RIGHT OF WAY FROM FUTURE VISTA LANE AT CAYUGA
VISTA , AND CONSIDER MAKING A RECOMMENDATION TO SAID BOARD OF APPEALS
WITH RESPECT TO A REQUEST TO ADD A FOURTH DWELLING UNIT TO SAID
EXISTING THREE - FAMILY DWELLING . MAURICE E . SNYDER , OWNER OF PARCEL
NO . 6 - 39 - 1 - 25 ; DELL GROVER , OWNER OF PARCEL NO . 6 - 39 - 1 - 5 ; EDWARD A .
MAZZA , ESQ . , AGENT .
• Chairman May declared the Public Hearing in the above - noted
matter duly opened at 9 : 45 p . m . and read aloud from the Notice of
Public Hearings as posted and published and as noted above . Mr . Mazza
stated that , at this point in the proceedings of the Board , he was
stepping away from his place as a member of the Planning Board , and
asked to approach the Board as Attorney / Agent in the above - noted
matter .
Attorney Mazza stated that he would like to point out , for
clarification , that Mr . Maurice Snyder is the owner of the property
that is proposed for subdivision into two parcels , and there is a
contract made with Robert Reed which has been assigned to Dell Grover ,
William Grover ,, and himself . Attorney Mazza appended a map to the
bulletin board. and stated that for the Cayuga Vista clustered
subdivision the Town required the reservation of a 60 - foot strip for a
future roadway and for utilities . Attorney Mazza stated that that
future roadway ends up going in " here " and the property line between
Mr . Snyder ' s property and Mrs . Rumsey ' s property would be in the
middle of this reserved road , therefore , thirty feet would come onto
the presently Snyder parcel .
Attorney Mazza stated that , at this time , the request is for a
two - lot subdivision , and , for the relocation of the house presently
existing at 1018 Danby Road , which Attorney Mazza referred to as " the
• ugly blue house " . Attorney Mazza offered that one of the reasons for
the request to relocate that house is that it is part of the family
properties once owned by Mr . Dell Grover ' s deceased wife ' s family and
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• which they would like to salvage if they can , and , in order to do
that , they want to move that old farmhouse over to the other parcel .
Attorney Mazza indicated that it is an " L - shaped " property which they
will be squaring off , which will also be much more economical and
serve to make it viable . Attorney Mazza noted that they will also be
requesting approval from the Board of Appeals to add a fourth unit to
the house . Attorney Mazza stated that he was unable , at this
juncture , to indicate where on this proposed parcel the house will be
located , the reason being that they have not yet decided what they are
going to do in the back .
Mrs . Langhans asked about access to the property , with Attorney
Mazza responding that the access would only be across the 60 - foot
reserved strip? [ indicating on the map ] , and adding that they would
restrict themselves in order to be able to locate the farmhouse on the
proposed parcel such that , if nothing else ever happened , it would
just service the house as a driveway . Attorney Mazza stated that they
did not see any development there in the near future , but
realistically it probably would be developed at some point . Attorney
Mazza offered that , hopefully , it would be their group that might
develop it in keeping with Cayuga Vista , although not as condominiums ,
but as some other kind of subdivision .
Attorney Mazza reiterated that the proposal before the Board is a
two - lot subdivision and consideration of recommendations to the Zoning
Board with respect to less than 60 feet of frontage on a public
• highway and adding a fourth unit to the non - conforming three - family
farmhouse . Attorney Mazza stated that , in the event there should ever
be an opportunity to develop that parcel , and they do secure approval
for the fourth unit , they will be allocating an appropriate amount of
space to insure good planning . Attorney Mazza pointed out that this
area is zoned. R - 9 , meaning 9 , 000 square feet of lot area for a
single - family or a two - family residence , and indicated that for a
four -unit apartment 18 , 000 square feet would be allocated . Attorney
Mazza noted that the subject parcel does not have 60 feet of frontage
on a Town road , however , they do have a right of way of over 60 feet
which will be from a Town road , Vista Lane , which is currently being
constructed .
Mrs . Grigorov asked where the house was being moved to , with
Attorney Mazza replying that they were not sure yet and adding that ,
in any event , the house would not be occupied for at least a year .
Chairman :May , noting that this was a Public Hearing , asked if
there were anyone from the public who wished to speak to this matter .
Mr . Daniel Booth , 375 Stone Quarry Road , spoke from the floor
and , commenting that he was concerned about all the loose ends in this
matter , stated that it was uncertain where the house will be placed ,
and asked why it was being moved from up near the road , and further
asked if it needed to be moved back into this new parcel where it will
• be closer to him . Mr . Booth stated that the house is already
non - conforming and there have been a number of loud parties that have
taken place on the premises .
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• Attorney Mazza stated that before they have approval for
placement they are going to have to come in for a site plan approval .
Attorney Mazza stated that they have not done that because it is a
complex timing problem juxtaposed with the development of Cayuga Vista
and the construction of roads . Attorney Mazza reiterated that before
they locate that house anywhere , they will have to appear before the
Planning Board for site plan approval . Attorney Mazza pointed out
that they were seeking , at this point , simply a two - lot subdivision
and approval from the Zoning Board of Appeals to locate the house
somewhere on that parcel in the event that the site plan is approved
by the Planning Board . Attorney Mazza offered that one reason the
" blue house " is so " ugly " is that they have not been able to determine
for the last several years whether they were going to be able to move
it or if it would have to be torn down . Mr . Booth stated that he was
less concerned about the house ' s appearance , commenting that you can
take a big house , fix it up , and make it look nice , than as to what it
represents in terms of all the variances that are going into this new
place , and adding that procedure -wise things seem to be going
backwards .
Mrs . Langhans asked when they would know how much it would cost
to move the :house , with Attorney Mazza responding , probably next
month , by June .
Mrs . Grigorov asked if the subdivision were being requested in
order to have a place to put the house . Attorney Mazza stated that
• they want to subdivide the Snyder parcel because they have a contract
to purchase that five - acre portion of it . Mrs . Langhans wondered if
there were a need for this if they find it too expensive to move the
house . Attorney Mazza noted that the subdivision is still necessary
because they wish to purchase that , adding that they are separate
applications , and further adding that , even if there were not a blue
house , they would still be requesting this subdivision .
Ms . Beeners stated that it is the two - lot subdivision which is
before the Board this evening , adding that the Board can consider
whether or not they wish to make a recommendation on the applications
before the Zoning Board , however , that is not required , although it is
a good idea to supply the Board of Appeals with information .
Mr . Peter Hillman , 370 Stone Quarry Road , spoke from the floor
and stated that he would like to see pretty strict adherence to the
present zoning requirements , adding that it seemed to him that moving
a non - conforming structure into another parcel is to ask for a
variance on height because he thought the house exceeded 30 feet by
quite a bit . Mr . Hillman stated that this is more than a two- family
dwelling which is also within the restrictions of R - 9 zoning .
Mr . Herbert Monkemeyer , 1058 Danby Road , spoke from the floor and
stated that he is a neighbor of this house and felt that it has been
very well run housing . Mr . Monkemeyer stated that his only objection
• was the blue color .
Mr . Elliott Lauderdale , 381 Stone Quarry Road , spoke from the
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floor and voiced his concern with a zoning variance in R- 9 . Mr .
• Lauderdale asked how nine unrelated persons could live in a quadraplex
which is in violation of R- 9 . Chairman May stated that this was a
grandfathered application . Attorney Mazza pointed out that the reason
there was a specification in the documents he had submitted as to the
number of unrelated persons was to place a limit on occupancy and not
to say that that is what is going to happen . Attorney Mazza stated
that they would anticipate renting to a family , a couple with a child ,
or to an individual . Attorney Mazza pointed out that a restrictive
limit would be set on the number of individuals in each unit .
Attorney Mazza stated that , as a matter of fact , if they took the
18 , 000 square feet allocated and made two building lots out of that ,
they could have a family and two unrelated persons in residence in
each of such buildings .
Mr . Lauderdale , commenting that his property runs back alongside
the whole of the subdivision and the noise factor is a regular
occurrence , stated that he felt asking for nine persons is exceeding
the zoning ordinance which in R - 9 requires a maximum unrelated persons
of three . Mr „ Lauderdale stated that he did not understand how the
maximum of three in a duplex can somehow add up to a quadraplex of
nine . Mr . Lauderdale wondered how approval is made to move a house
that is already at variance and is clearly College student housing , to
any single place in a confusing area of five acres . Mr . Lauderdale
referred to the proposal documents he had received and his copy of the
Environmental Assessment Form and stated that the EAF states that
• there was no vegetation in the area and also that there was no
significant wildlife living in the area .
Ms . Beeners stated that there are no significant wildlife species
or habitats that are recognized either by the County or by the Town of
Ithaca on that parcel that would be adversely affected by the proposed
subdivision or by the proposed moving of the house . Mr . Lauderdale
asked what constituted a significant species , with Ms . Beeners
responding , one which would be identified either in the list of rare
plants in New York State or by the County in the Environmental Image
Report which is used as part of the Town ' s Technical Appendix . Mr .
Lauderdale wondered if deer and species like that are considered since
it is a very crowded deer area , adding that , in fact , there is a
regular deer path running across the subject parcel . Both Town
Attorney Barney and Ms . Beeners stated that deer are not considered as
they are not an endangered species . Ms . Beeners reiterated that
neither proposal presented tonight involves any significant site
alterations that would affect anything unusual here . Mr . Lauderdale
stated that he has a drainage concern with the land in question .
Mr . Hillman stated that there are some endangered species - -
plants - - across the road - - where there are a couple of pockets of
these plants where it is in wetland , adding that this wetland dries up
for about two or three months out of the year , and further adding that
these species of plants only occur in small pockets . Ms . Beeners
• assured Mr . Hillman that that certainly will be looked into .
There appearing to be no further questions or comments from the
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• public , Chairman May closed the Public Hearing at 10 : 10 p . m . and
brought the matter back to the Board for discussion .
Mrs . Langhans stated that her only concern is that access to a
road is on a future roadway that has yet to be built , adding that the
five acres is going to Cayuga Vista and their only access is through
the proposed :road . Attorney Mazza stated that it is not going to be
part of Cayuga Vista , adding that there are not going to be any
building permits issued until the road is in place .
Town Attorney Barney stated that , normally , when land is
subdivided , one of the things considered is traffic and there should
be an access to a Town highway .
Mr . Klein , noting that the future 60 feet of road is split - - 30
feet and 30 feet , stated that it is of no value to the Snyder property
without an agreement for an easement across the Rumsey property .
Attorney Mazza stated that , if in fact they cannot reach an agreement
with Mrs . Rumsey - - which he doubted - - they would then ask for a
modification of where that road comes back in such that it would just
be moved up 30 feet .
Dr . Lesser voiced his concern regarding grades and asked if the
length were going to be too great for a single access . Ms . Beeners
pointed out the lengths of 600 feet to 700 feet with respect to Cayuga
Vista buildings 5 , 7 , and 8 . Ms . Beeners noted that the access would
• start from its intersection with Vista Drive ,
Chairman May asked if there were any further questions on the
subdivision proper .
Mrs . Langhans stated that before anything could be done on the
five acres the road would have to be completed .
Attorney Mazza , commenting that it is a site plan approval that
the Board is discussing , stated that what he has been mentioning is ,
in the event that the Zoning Board of Appeals grants approvals
authorizing the relocation of an existing house , and the addition of
one apartment unit , to a parcel of land not fronting on a public
highway , and what he has been suggesting is , that that be conditioned
upon coming back to the Planning Board for a site plan approval .
Attorney Mazza stated that , first of. all , if they know they can go
ahead , then they can make certain plans and do some research on the
property itself' to ascertain what is going to be the best approach .
Attorney Mazza asked that the Board bear in mind that they have
invested a great deal of time , effort , and money in that property and
they certainly want this to happen in the right way and in an
appropriate manner .
Town Attorney Barney wondered if Attorney Mazza would voluntarily
submit to a second site plan review , if the Zoning Board of Appeals
• grants the variance on the blue house , and if , after the Zoning Board
did grant that , the Planning Board at that juncture in its wisdom felt
that they could not approve the site plan - - what then ? Attorney
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• Mazza offered that he was suggesting concurrence between the
applicants and the Town that a condition be placed on it
conditioned on approval by the Board of Appeals . Attorney Mazza
stated that things were happening this way because of the timing ,
adding that they want to build the road as soon as possible to cut
down on the dust factor . Attorney Mazza pointed out that the blue
house is in the middle of Vista Drive and , in order to complete the
road , the blue! house has got to be moved .
Mr . Klein wondered if there were any way that the blue house
could be moved to one of the other locations in Cayuga Vista and ,
essentially , remodel it to be compatible , with Attorney Mazza
responding , no , because of the way it is constructed , it would be
difficult to have it included as part of the condominiums .
Mrs . Grigorov asked if there were a real financial hardship to
retain the blue house . Attorney Mazza , commenting that the house does
have value to Mr . Grover , stated they were not sure at this point what
that value is , mused that it sort of depends on the cost of moving it .
There appearing to be no further questions or comments from the
Board , Chairman May asked if anyone wished to make a motion on the
proposed subdivision action only .
MOTION by Dr . William Lesser , seconded by Mr . Robert Kenerson :
• WHEREAS :
1 . This action is the consideration of Subdivision Approval for the
proposed subdivision of a 7 . 75 acre parcel , Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No . 6 - 39 - 1 - 25 , known as 371 Stone Quarry Road , contiguous
to the west of lands of Cayuga Vista , into two parcels of 5 . 87 ±
acres and 1 . 88 ± acres .
2 . This is an Unlisted action for which the Planning Board has been
legislatively designated to act as Lead Agency for environmental
review .
3 . A negative determination of environmental significance has been
recommended by the Town Planner ,
THEREFORE , IT IS RESOLVED :
That the Planning Board , acting as Lead Agency for environmental
review , make and hereby does make a negative determination of
environmental significance for this Unlisted action .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Klein , Ken erson , Lesser .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
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• Chairman May asked if anyone wished to move the draft resolution .
MOTION by Mr . Robert Kenerson , seconded by Mrs . Carolyn Grigorov :
WHEREAS :
1 . This action is the Consideration of Subdivision Approval for the
proposed subdivision of a 7 . 75 acre parcel , Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel No . 6 - 39 - 1 - 25 , known as 371 Stone Quarry Road , contiguous
to the west of lands of Cayuga Vista , into two parcels of 5 . 87 ±
acres and 1 . 88 ± acres .
2 . The Planning Board on May 19 , 1987 , acting as Lead Agency in
environmental review , made a negative determination of
environmental significance for this Unlisted action .
3 . The Planning Board , at a Public Hearing on May 19 , 1987 , has
reviewed -the following :
SEQR Short Environmental Assessment Form , dated May 7 , 1987 .
" Property Survey - Dell L . Grover , William P . Grover , and
Edward A . Mazza " , by Paul B . Koe rts , Professional Land
Surveyor , May 5 , 1987 .
4 . The proposed 5 . 87 ± acre parcel would be served by a 60 - foot
future road right of way from planned Vista Lane in Cayuga Vista .
• THEREFORE , IT IS RESOLVED :
1 . That the Planning Board waive and hereby does waive certain
requirements for Preliminary and Final Subdivision Approval ,
having determined from the materials presented that such waiver
will result in neither a significant alteration of the purpose of
subdivision control nor the policies enunciated or implied by the
Town Board ,
2 . That the Planning Board grant and hereby does grant Preliminary
and Final Subdivision Approval to the subdivision as herein
proposed .
By way of discussion , Town Attorney Barney stated that there has
to be some access provided to " that " rear lot that is reasonably
acceptable . Town Attorney Barney , stating that for the two - lot
subdivision there will be a preliminary and then a separate hearing on
final subdivision approval , asked if that is not what Attorney Mazza
had said . Attorney Mazza responded that that is not what he had said .
Attorney Mazza stated that , if in fact they obtain approval to move
the blue house to that parcel , he had said that the location of the
blue house would be the subject of a site plan approval . Attorney
Mazza stated that , if in fact they do not obtain approval to move it ,
and they are not going to move it , he did not think that the
• subdivision of this one parcel should be delayed . Attorney Mazza
offered that he did not see why a site plan is being talked about if
it is just this two - lot subdvision being discussed . Attorney Mazza
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• pointed out that there have been a lot of houses built and
subdivisions approved where there has not been an existing Town road .
Town Attorney Barney , commenting that most of them have gone to
the Zoning Board of Appeals to get a variance , stated that most of
them show at least where the Town road is going to go and very few of
them show the Town road running through somebody ' s parking lot .
Attorney Mazza. pointed out that it was at the Town ' s insistence that
that 60 - foot reservation was put in to open up the backland because no
one wanted to go out Stone Quarry Road , adding that it should not go
out Stone Quarry Road . Attorney Mazza , pointing out that at the time
they did not own any of " this " property , noted that it was to access
Mrs . Rumsey ' s property and to access Mr . Snyder ' s property that this
was put in . Attorney Mazza stated that , as he recalled , they did not
want a road running through the property but it was imposed ,
reiterating that that was something the Town did to him .
Commenting that he really did not care about what had happened to
him , Town Attorney Barney stated that Attorney Mazza was before the
Board for subdivision approval of two lots - - a de minimus kind of
subdivision in the normal course of events - - one of which is
landlocked as shown on the plot plan . Town Attorney Barney stated
that the question is - - how is somebody buying the lot going to get to
that lot and the applicant is saying - - over this road , but , by the
same token , is saying that it is a parking lot for Building # 8 . Town
Attorney Barney suggested that this subdivision should be reconfigured
is
a little bit so that it is not cutting into a road , adding that the
applicants have indicated that they do not want to do that .
Continuing , Town Attorney Barney stated that , if the applicants are
going to come back to the Planning Board for final site plan approval ,
this will give them some time to put something together and come up
with a different access , that is , to give access to this road which
does not do damage to their other existing subdivision . Town Attorney
Barney asked Attorney Mazza if he thought this was reasonable , with
Attorney Mazza responding , yes , he thought so , and adding that because
they are the same owners , he thought that is what is clouding their
decision -making on this .
Mrs . Grigorov commented that if they were not the same owners
they could not possibly subdivide it without gaining access from Stone
Quarry Road . Attorney Mazza disagreed , stating that they could
because of the 60 - feet which the Town required be reserved for a
future road .
Mrs . Langhans wondered what would happen if she came in and said
that she was going to buy the backland and that she was going to go
over your proposed road , and , you say - - oh , . no , - - you are not going
to go through my parking lot . Attorney Mazza stated that Mrs . Rumsey
had already mentioned that and he had suggested that she could build a
road through there , adding that that idea was suggested some time ago
- - before the offer to purchase made with Mr . Snyder .
• Mrs . Langhans asked how the problem of access would be resolved
without going through the parking lot . Attorney Mazza stated that if
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• those units are sold , parking would have to be provided in another
area , however , at the present time , they did not know where that would
be . Chairman May pointed out that if parking is moved - - which would
be a change - - the developers would have to come before the Planning
Board for site plan approval . Mrs . Langhans also commented to
Attorney Mazza that if a requirement is made for the parking , he will
have to come before the Planning Board .
Attorney Mazza queried about what would happen if they do not own
the land " back: here " at that point , and pointed out that the land is
going to be conveyed to a homeowners ' / residents ' association at some
point . Attorney Mazza , noting that the road will be deeded to the
Town and commenting that someone has to own it , stated that he failed
to see how this two - lot subdivision is so difficult and added that he
has closed many real estate transactions where there have been
subdivisions granted subject to roads being built at a later time .
Mrs . Margie Rumsey , 110 East Buttermilk Falls Road , spoke from
the floor and stated that she has been told that she could not bring a
road into her property in back , which is next to the property under
discussion , because the Town has given Cayuga Vista a road so close to
her land up on the road that she cannot come in from Danby Road . Mrs .
Rumsey stated that she must go though Cayuga Vista property to get to
her land . Mrs; . Rumsey stated that it is important to her to be able
to get to her land , otherwise , she will be landlocked because of the
300 feet minimum space requirements between roads off Route 96B .
• Chairman May pointed out to Attorney Mazza that , if this road
gets built , he will have to come before the Planning Board for site
plan approval on Building # 8 modification . Continuing , Chairman May
asked if that: would prevent him from coming back 'for site plan
adjustment at the time the building is to be constructed . Attorney
Mazza stated -that they probably will ask for some minor site plan
adjustments on other things , but he did not know that , and wondered - -
what if they determine that there is ample parking ?
Chairman May noted that the plan is different from the site plan
proposed tonight [ May 19 , 1987 ] . Attorney Mazza stated that it is the
same as the site plan that was approved by the Planning Board .
Chairman May asked about the road , with Attorney Mazza stating that
that was approved .
Chairman May pointed out that there was a MOTION on the floor and
asked if anyone were prepared to move its withdrawal , it appearing
that the matter cannot be resolved at this time .
MOTION by Mr . Robert Kenerson , seconded by Mrs . Carolyn Grigorov :
RESOLVED , by the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , that the Motion
on the floor with respect to the Snyder Subdivision be and hereby is
withdrawn .
• There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
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Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
MOTION by Mr . Montgomery May , seconded by Dr . William Lesser :
RESOLVED , by the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , that the matter
of the Snyder Subdivision be and hereby is adjourned until June 2 ,
1987 , at 7 : 50 p . m . , in order to give the applicants time to
reconfigure the subdivision plat .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
Chairman May declared the matter of the Snyder Subdivision
request duly adjourned . Mr . Mazza resumed his place at the Board
table .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - March 3 , 1987
MOTION by Mrs . Virginia Langhans , seconded by Mrs . Carolyn
• Grigorov :
RESOLVED , that the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
Meeting of March 3 , 1987 , be and hereby are approved as written .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Baker , Grigorov , Langhans , Klein , Kenerson , Lesser , Mazza .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
JOINT MEETING - TOWN BOARD , PLANNING BOARD , AND ZONING BOARD OF
APPEALS - TUESDAY , JUNE 30 , 1987 .
Ms . Beeners stated that Supervisor Desch had asked her to inform
the Board that a joint working meeting of the three Town boards on
cluster and other zoning matters has been scheduled for Tuesday , June
30th , at 7 : 30 p . m . in the Board Room of Town Hall .
ADJOURNMENT
Upon Motion , Chairman May declared the May 19 , 1987 meeting of
the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at 11 : 10 p . m .
Respectfully submitted ,
Mary S . Bryant , Recording Secretary ,
Nancy M . Fuller , Secretary ,
Town of Ithaca Planning Board .