HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 1984-02-07 TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
FEBRUARY 7 , 1984
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on
Tuesday , February 7 , 1984 , in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street ,
Ithaca , New York , at 7 : 30 p . m .
PRESENT : Chairman Montgomery May , Barbara Schultz , Edward Mazza ,
Carolyn Grigorov , Virginia Langhans , Bernard Stanton ,
David Klein , Lawrence P . Fabbroni ( Town Engineer ) ,
Peter M . Lovi ( Town Planner ) , James V . Buyoucos ( Town
Attorney ) , Nancy M . Fuller ( Secretary ) .
ALSO PRESENT : Walter J . Wiggins , Esq . , Marc Cramer ( Chairman ,
Codes and Ordinances Committee of the Town Board ) ,
Henry Aron ( Chairman , Town Zoning Board of
Appeals ) , Deborah Gesensway ( Ithaca Journal ) .
Chairman May declared the meeting duly opened at 7 : 30 p . m .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - January 3 , 1984
MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mrs . Virginia
Langhans :
RESOLVED , that the Minutes of the January 3 , 1984 meeting of
the Town of Ithaca Planning Board be and hereby are approved as
written .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Langhans , Stanton , Klein .
Nay - None .
Abstain - Schultz , Mazza .
The MOTION was declared to be carried .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - January 17 , 1984
MOTION by Mr . Edward Mazza , seconded by Mr . Montgomery May :
RESOLVED , that the Minutes of the January 17 , 1984 meeting
of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board be and hereby are approved
as written .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Schultz , Mazza , Grigorov , Langhans , Stanton , Klein .
Nay - None .
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The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
REPORT OF THE TOWN ENGINEER , LAWRENCE P . FABBORNI
Mr . Fabbroni reported that Northeast Transit ( NET ) will
shortly have two " newer " busses , noting that Cornell University
has a whole new fleet in place , and stating that NET will pick up
two of their newest busses . Mr . Fabbroni commented that in the
long run , the system will be getting into the more traditional
transit - type busses , such as Orion , rather than beefed - up school
busses , adding that NET was approved a long time ago , under an
ARC Grant , for busses .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that East Ithaca Transit ( EIT ) will
now be run by Cornell Transit , Inc . , a private carrier , and will
include the operation that goes up into Eastern Heights , possibly
Pine Tree Road , Honness Lane , Snyder Hill Road , at their cost ,
with State subsidies . Mr . Fabbroni commented that a lot of this
could be tied into a proposal to build another peripheral parking
lot in the East Hill Plaza area which could also be tied in with
the proposal for the Arts Center ,
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Sewer Plant has gotten the
go - ahead from the EPA Administrator which means that the project ,
as designed , may now be constructed , however , we do not know what
strings , if any , are attached as yet . Mr . Fabbroni commented
that the EPA Administrator ' s approval was certainly good news ,
adding that everything that the State had promised , in the way of
Phase 1 , can now move ahead . Mr . Fabbroni stated that work is
now being done on the documents with bidding some time in March ,
returning in early May , and contract signing around July 1st .
Mr . Fabbroni reported on his current project , being the
development of a six - area water and sewer distribution
improvement package , mostly water improvements , around the Town ,
with both design and construction in a whole package to take
place during 1984 - 1985 . He stated that some of the work will be
done in -house ; the 1985 part will be done by a consultant . Mr .
Fabbroni noted the areas that will be improved include Bundy
Road , Elm Street Extension , West Haven Road , Danby Road system ,
Coddington Road and East King Road , Snyder Hill Road , Sugar Bush
Lane , and a small area on Hanshaw Road in the area of the Warren
Farm , Mr . Fabbroni stated that at the next meeting , perhaps
mid -month , he will have more information .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Town Highway Facility
insulation study has been concluded , the result being that
certain proposals have been eliminated due to cost and the steps
that will be taken will include turn- back thermostats , insulating
the office part , and some portions on demand .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that two turn -back thermostats are
going to be installed in the downstairs office part of Town Hall .
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With respect to the Burns Road project , Mr . Fabbroni stated
that the staff is assembling the basis for field work at this
point , it being too cold to actually commence , however , as we
move into March and April things will move along more rapidly .
Chairman May expressed his and the Board ' s commendations to
all the Town staff for their fine work with respect to the Burns
Road improvement project .
REPORT OF THE TOWN PLANNER , PETER M . LOVI
Mr . Lovi reported on the matter of proposed amendments to
the zoning ordinance , specifically one item about which there has
been some discussion which is the need for some provision ,
perhaps as an amendment to the existing ordinance , to incorporate
mixed uses , e . g . , as involved in Mr . Wiggins ' project and also in
the Lake Shore West project . Mr . Lovi stated that there are two
ways to go - - ( 1 ) A P . U . D . zone amendment . Mr . Lovi commented
that there were several attempts to accomplish that in the
mid - ' 70s . ( 2 ) If there is the will and desire to allow mixed
uses , to accomplish that in the context of the existing zoning
ordinance through an amendment . Mr . Lovi stated that he had
prepared a draft of an amendment to the existing zoning ordinance
with respect to the present Article VI , Multiple Residence
District for Planning Board discussion and comment as an Agenda
item .
• As what he termed , " Food for Thought " , Mr .
g Lovi distributed
copies of an article which appeared in the January- February 1984
issue of New York Planning Federation Planning News , with respect
to The Kamhi Decision , as recently rendered by the Court of
Appeals , having to do with the taking of land for park or open
space .
Mr . Lovi reported that the proposed subdivision regulations
are being worked over by the Town Attorney and the Town Board .
He stated that they are having work sessions often and are making
good progress , commenting that it is fundamentally the same
document passed on to the Codes and Ordinances Committee by the
Planning Board in July of 1983 .
Mr . Lovi reported that DEC is in the process of finishing up
the wetlands mapping and coming up with Wetlands Maps , commenting
that at this point DEC is the administrative agency for all
wetlands , however , at a certain juncture Class 2 , 3 , and 4
wetlands can be regulated by the Town , although some technical
qualifications have to be established before the Town could do
that .
Mr . Lovi reported that the Six Mile Creek Committee has been
meeting and , as he understands it , is in the process of writing
their final report .
CHANGE IN AGENDA
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Chairman May asked if the remaining reports could be
presented at another time since Mr . Buyoucos was present to
assist the Board in its review of the minor modifications to Mr .
Wiggins ' Chateau development proposal .
REVIEW OF MINOR MODIFICATIONS TO WIGGINS ' CHATEAU PROPOSAL
INCLUDING TWO - COURT TENNIS FACILITY . A PORTION OF TAX PARCEL NO .
6 - 36 - 1 - 4 . 2 , 1152 DANBY ROAD ,
Mr . Fabbroni , utilizing a revised drawing of The Chateau
site plan , revised as of February 1 , 1984 , described the recent
request , at the Town Board Hearing on January 9th , by Mr . Wiggins
for the inclusion of a two - court tennis building as a part of his
proposed development . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he had suggested
to Mr . Wiggins that he come back to the Planning Board with
respect to the tennis court building . Mr . Fabbroni stated that
there are two other issues related to Mr . Wiggins ' request which
apparently need clarification in order for the Town Board to
proceed . He stated that the first issue is clarification of the
Boards ' feeling as indicated on the record as to the phasing of
The Chateau and what would happen after the 21 studio - type
apartments , i . e . , Phase 1 , are completed and the bed and
breakfast concept is not viable . He stated that the second issue
is clarification of the Boards ' feeling as to what would happen
if Phase 1 were viable and the bed and breakfast reached 80
units , i . e . , what did the Board determine will happen - - what
• alternatives were envisioned - - at that point and it were then to
fail or crash . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the Planning Board
resolution of December 6 , 1983 , did not appear to cover that
eventuality specificaally . Mr . Fabbroni outlined the status of
Mr . Wiggins rezoning request at this point , stating that The
Chateau development would be a part of the rezoning and not a
variance , the Town Board feeling that it would be better handled
in that manner .
Addressing the Planning Board , Mr . Buyoucos stated that the
Town Board was particularly interested in the matter of what did
the Planning Board say in its December 6th resolution of
recommendation to the Town Board . He stated that they would want
this meeting held not necessarily because of the tennis courts
but because they were not quite sure of what was intended by that
recommendation . Mr . Buyoucos stated that when he made inquiries
he got several different answers . Mr . Buyoucos stated that , even
though there is not specific reference to this procedure in the
zoning law , it is much better for everyone , especially for the
developer , that the whole concept be approved , including the bed
and breakfast , as part of the planning process and the rezoning .
Mr . Buyoucos stated that the Town Board certainly is not going to
take away from the Planning Board its function of site plan
approval , adding that whenever site plan approval is necessary in
connection with Mr . Wiggins ' project the Planning Board will do
it . Mr . Buyoucos stated that the Town Board has the sole
authority to amend the zoning law , therefore , conditions are
necessary , however , they are not indulging in site plan approval .
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Mr . Buyoucos stated that the law will be changed ; there will be
an amendment to it , which is better than a variance , since ( a )
the grounds for variance may be difficult to meet and ( b ) there
is more flexibility through the rezoning process .
Mr . Wiggins was present and Chairman May invited him to
speak to the Board and tell them about his proposal as it now
stands . Chairman May commented to Mr . Wiggins that he has had a
few changes since the last time the Board saw the plan .
Mr . Wiggins agreed and stated that one of the problems with
development is that one finds as one goes along that you want to
refine it and make it better , commenting that it all seems very
logical to the developer at the time but may not be logical to
the legislators . Mr . Wiggins stated that when he and his
architect tried to refine the site plan a couple of things
happened . Utilizing the site plan showing general revision date
of February 1 , 1984 , Mr . Wiggins proceeded to outline the
modifications , stating as follows :
i . As refinement progressed toward working drawings , The
Chateau went from a " square " shape to an " open -ended " shape
because the vista is better that way . Mr . Wiggins stated
that the number of proposed bed and breakfast units is the
same , but each leg is elongated .
2 . The pool was proposed for another location but has been
moved because , if the project is not built to the 80 -unit
total , it would give more immediate access to those 20 or so
units in Phase 1 .
3 . The " turret " was tight and is now separated to give changing
space for the Jacuzzi .
4 . The access was changed slightly to accommodate certain apple
trees . Mr . Wiggins stated that he was happy to be able to
retain those trees .
Mr . Wiggins stated that he thought these were not
particularly significant modifications . Mr . Wiggins stated that
the only substantial change was the possibility , emphasizing " and
only the possibility " , of constructing indoor tennis courts ,
adding two courts , eight people . Mr . Wiggins stated that there
is a demand , he felt , for tennis courts , commenting that there
are four courts up at Cornell University and the Tennis Team uses
them until 9 : 00 p . m . Mr . Wiggins said that he thought he could
fill that need with it being particularly good in the wintertime ,
adding , however , that people would rather be outside in the
summertime and there are outdoor courts available . Mr . Wiggins
stated that , therefore , he could envision a roof which slid open ,
walls which came up or were on a slide , thus making for better
summertime use . Mr . Wiggins stated that there is no conceivable
way this would work just in the wintertime because such an
approach would involve some $ 200 , 000 . Mr . Wiggins commented that
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his thoughts at the moment were that with eight people maximum it
might possibly work if it becomes a club . Mr . Wiggins stated
that this is not critical or vital and if the Planning Board says
" no " it should not be upset - - he will not be . Mr . Wiggins
commented that it would be nice in this area and emphasized that
it will only be built if it gets subscribed to , adding that it is
in keeping , he thought , with making this a sort of " Resort
Ithaca " kind of country complex . Mr . Wiggins stated that how the
Planning Board treats this is how it sees it appropriate , adding
that there is no intention to make this a commercial venture as
such because it simply would not work , adding further that that
is why we have seen the tennis court buildings in this area
become roller rinks . Mr . Wiggins spoke of the Courtside Racquet
and Fitness Club facility on Judd Falls Road and stated that
there was no intention of that kind of complex , rather , just two
tennis courts .
With regard to the future , Mr . Wiggins stated that , insofar
as the bed and breakfast and apartments matter goes , he has no
objection to the clarification being sought . He stated that , if
the Board feels it not to be appropriate to have a total of 80
apartments , which is what he thought the Board had said , there
was no problem since he had no desire for 80 apartments . Mr .
Wiggins stated that the decision can certainly be made at the end
of Phase 1 insofar as stopping there and having the apartments or
proceeding as bed and breakfast , adding again that there is no
intention to make this an apartment complex . Mr . Wiggins
commented that he had mentioned " apartments " way back at the
beginning of these discussions because he thought it would be
more appropriate to talk about all his thoughts right from those
beginning informal discussions . Mr . Wiggins stated that simply
it is a bed and breakfast inn or they do not get built .
Looking back at the plan he was displaying , Mr . Wiggins
noted one other thing he forgot to mention and that was that he
may possibly put in a pond but he did not think he has to have
that in the site plan .
Mr . Buyucous noted that Mr . Fabbroni had said that Phase 1
involved some 20 units . Mr . Fabbroni stated that that was
correct and pointed out that the use of the term " Phase I " on the
drawing written along the boundary line of the 20 . 4 acres being
requested for rezoning , and the use of the term " Phase 1 " in
connection with the first part of The Chateau construction could
cause some confusion .
After some lengthy discussion referencing the plan
displayed , noting among other things that the " turret " might
contain a suite , it appeared that the number of units which might
be converted to apartments was 22 .
Mr . Stanton stated that he was still not clear as to what
the controversy is as to what the Planning Board did at its last
meeting on this , adding that the Town Attorney had said that he
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got different answers from each of the Board members . Chairman
May explained the problem , as he understood it , that the Town
Board was having with the Planning Board resolution with regard
to the specifics of Phase 1 of The Chateau development , such that
it was not clear to them whether The Chateau would be 80 bed and
breakfast units or some 20 apartments . Mr . Stanton asked if it
were necessary to ask the Planning Board to talk about the future
in its recommendation to the Town Board . Mr . Buyoucos responded
that it was necessary and stated that the Planning Board ' s
resolution of December 6th had said that if the first units are
undesirable as determined by the applicants they can use the
Phase 1 portion as apartments . Mr . Buyoucos stated that that is
not the kind of language that should have been used , adding the
comment that it is a kind of agreement , and describing how the
applicant builds the first phase and if not continued , then this
would be used , perhaps with slight conversion for use as a
multiple residence , as an apartment with 21 , or 22 . or whatever
is decided . Continuing , Mr . Buyoucos stated that if , however , he
proceeds with the bed and breakfast inn , then he has foreclosed
himself from having a multiple residence apartment complex ; he
has decided on a bed and breakfast inn and that is it . Mr .
Buyoucos stated that the Town Board wants to make sure that that
is the intention . Mr . Buyoucos stated that , assuming that the
development of this structure as a bed and breakfast does not
continue , the applicant will have an apartment complex with some
21 , or whatever , units , adding that the discussion at the Town
Board is that they would not want 80 - - only these 21 or so . Mr .
Buyucous commented that there was a difference of opinion between
Mr . Fabbroni , Mr . Lovi , and Mr . May as to what was said by the
Planning Board ,
Mr . Stanton stated that one of his questions is , is there
any reason why , once this decision is made , there can never be
another change . Mr . Stanton stated that the inference , to him ,
is that the Planning Board should make the decision , now , as to
whether there be 80 units or not . Mr . Buyoucos responded , no ,
the Planning Board said that 80 units could be there , adding that
Mr . Wiggins is entitled to know exactly what was recommended .
Chairman May stated that the Board did say that , adding that the
Board recommended the rezoning and with respect to Phase 1 of The
Chateau which was those 21 units , if it did not work , those could
be converted to apartments . Mr . Mazza agreed , adding that he had
specifically asked if Mr . Wiggins would know at the end of Phase
1 if the bed and breakfast idea was going to go or not . Mr . Lovi
offered the following as a " for instance " stating , if Phase 1 is
successful and Mr . Wiggins continues and builds Phase 2 , 3 , and
4 , in any case more than Phase 1 , did the Planning Board want , in
that case , those 80 units to be apartments , 20 units of those to
be apartments , 20 apartments period , and so on . Mr . Lovi stated
that apparently that particular " for instance " should be
clarified . Mr . Wiggins wondered if he could suggest that what he
understood was that the Board approved 80 bed and breakfast units
with the condition that 20 , or whatever it was , could be
converted to apartments . Mr . Mazza stated that that was what the
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Board did and that was his understanding and why he was the one
who made the Motion . Mr . Stanton agreed . Chairman May read the
December 6th resolution - - " MOTION by Mr . Edward Mazza , seconded
by Mr . Bernard Stanton : RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca
Planning Board recommend and hereby does recommend to the Town
Board that a 20 . 4 - acre portion of lands of Walter J . and Joyce
Wiggins , fronting on Danby Road , and known as 1152 Danby Road ,
said 20 . 4 acres being a portion of Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No .
6 - 36 - 1 - 4 . 2 containing approximately 55 . 19 acres , be rezoned from
Residence District R- 30 to Multiple Residence District as
requested by Walter J . and Joyce Wiggins and as specifically set
forth on Map entitled - - " Site Plan , The Chateau " - - prepared by
William Downing Associates Architects , dated 11 / 15 / 83 , revised
12 / 5 / 83 , drawn by K . D . G . , Project Number 83 - 568 , Scale 1 " = 1001
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with said Map having been reviewed by said Planning Board at
Public Hearing , this date , December 6 , 1983 , and with said
Planning Board having found that : 1 . There is a need for the
proposed use in the proposed location ; 2 . The existing and
probable future character of the neighborhood in which the use is
to be located will not be adversely affected ; 3 . The proposed
change is in accordance with a comprehensive plan of development
of the Town , and FURTHER RESOLVED , that , in the event the
proposed use , as shown on the above - cited Map , is determined by
the applicants , Walter J . and Joyce Wiggins , to be undesirable ,
they can use the Phase 1 portion thereof , i . e . , 21 studio- type
apartments , as apartment dwellings . " Mr . Buyoucos commented to
the Board that they did not mean that he has 80 and then he could
have 20 , adding that there was no criticism being made here and
noting that at the last Town Board meeting he did not say a
thing . Mr . Klein inquired about the issue of the variance . Mr .
Buyoucos stated that there is no basis for a variance . Mr .
Buyoucos noted that Mr . Wiggins had said that as development goes
along he makes adjustments . Mr . Wiggins stated that he
understood it that way also , not 80 units and then apartments .
Mr . Wiggins commented that he would probably have more
flexibility with 80 and 20 to apartments but , if he has to make a
decision at the end of 20 , he will . Mr . Wiggins briefly
described a sort of flow chart of development from the planning
stage toward the financial packaging for the banks toward
construction , and so on . He posed the question , " Suppose I can
only build 12 units , do I have to stop ? " The general response
was " no " . Mr . Wiggins wondered if he were missing something but
what is the logic , after the banks , to build 24 - 26 - whatever -
then only 20 apartments . Mr . Fabbroni offered the following
observation , stating that if Mr . Wiggins had a mix of bed and
breakfast or apartments , the economics of that would always be
encouraging him to use it as a bed and breakfast because there is
more income generated from the bed and breakfast . Continuing ,
Mr . Fabbroni observed , if he could not keep it occupied , that
would be one thing to direct him to make an apartment out of it
and then it comes down to - - convert . Mr . Fabbroni stated , for
purposes of conversation only , that he be allowed to convert , say
one - third of the units to apartments . Mr . Wiggins stated that he
is very happy with the number 22 which had been mentioned , adding
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that he was wondering what was happening to him because , as he
looked at his map he was seeing two floors of " storage " and if
his architect can make 24 units , what would that all mean .
Chairman May offered at this point that Phase 1 could be up to 30
units , but no more than 22 could ever be converted to apartments ,
if the bed and breakfast were not viable , with no further units
built . Mr . Lovi wondered , as long as the Board and Mr . Wiggins
agree that no more than 22 apartments may be here , why have any
restrictions as to the phasing of the project , adding , what does
it matter as long as he can have no more than 22 ? Mr . Lovi
suggested that , at this point , Mr . Wiggins and his architect
should have the flexibility mentioned since the final site plan
will be before the Planning Board in the future , to be followed
by the very . detailed requirements at the Building Permit stage .
Chairman May said that he thought Mr . Lovi was right . Mr .
Buyoucos stated that he had asked the Town Board to come tonight .
Mr . Buyoucos stated that they are going to change this to
multiple residence ; it is a question of density in their mind ;
the Planning Board should decide what it wants to recommend to
them . Mr . Mazza stated that it already did . Chairman May stated
that he would like a " number " just so we do not end up with a lot
of vacant units . Mr . Lovi stated that , since this will be coming
back to the Planning Board for site plan review after rezoning ,
by then determinations will have been made as to economies of
scale , etc . , perhaps the Board should recommend this contingent
upon site plan review . Mr . Buyoucos asked if Mr . Lovi was
prepared to write such a resolution , commenting that the Town
Board will not modify the zoning law without knowing what the
project is , Mr . Lovi commented that writing resolutions as an
exercise was something he would rather not do , but on the other
hand , perhaps it would be within the jurisdiction of the Town
Attorney to communicate the Planning Board ' s intent to the Town
Board based upon what has been discussed here tonight . Mr .
Fabbroni wondered if the Board could add to their original
recommendation the clarification that as many as 22 units may be
converted to multiple residence apartments at any point in
history in the project no matter how many units have been built .
Mr . Stanton stated that he was confused because Mr . Wiggins
came to this Board for a bed and breakfast operation and now , for
some reason , the emphasis is all on apartments . Mr . Stanton
stated that all this is bad for the Planning Board , the Town
Board , and the community . Mr . Stanton stated that the intent is
bed and breakfast and Mr . Wiggins has been very clear on that .
Mr . Stanton stated that if Mr . Wiggins hid something , he was not
aware of it . Mr . Fabbroni explained that the Town Board is
worried about the " what ifs " in the future . Mr . Buyucous stated
that he kept asking them what they want , it is not clear - - 21
units - - Phase 1 - - viable - - not viable - - go under .
Further discussion ensued with respect to the so - called
storage area on the drawing , the result appearing to be that the
number of units in Phase 1 is 24 .
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Mrs . Schultz wondered about the following scenario - - ( 1 )
the Planning Board recommends the rezoning for the 80 - unit bed
and breakfast , which it did ; ( 2 ) Mr . Wiggins builds the first
phase , 22 or 24 ; ( 3 ) seven years later the bottom falls out ; ( 4 )
he has rented these units for six or seven years as bed and
breakfast and then the thing crashes , ( 5 ) why can he not come in
at that time for a change ? Mrs . Schultz wondered why , aside from
the matter of bank financing , the Board has to cope with the
future because it sounds like Mr . Wiggins can never , ever , make
any changes . Mr . Buyoucos stated that Mr . Wiggins can always
come back to the Board but there are no guarantees . Mr . Fabbroni
suggested amending the Planning Board resolution to say that at
no time shall there be more than 22 - 24 apartment units . Mr .
Mazza wondered why there had to be a number . Chairman May stated
that the Town Board needs a number . Mr . Stanton stated that
perhaps the Town Board should decide on the number . Mr . Buyoucos
stated that the Town Board can amend the zoning law to
accommodate this quite easily and noted if , however , Mr . Wiggins
proceeds and puts a second phase in , then he is committed to the
bed and breakfast . Mr . Buyucous suggested to the Board that they
did not particularly need a resolution ; it can be a consensus
which could be moved .
Mr . Stanton commented that the tennis court building , which
is a serious question , got lost somewhere . He pointed out that
what was mentioned was a $ 200 , 000 , roofed and walled , structure
containing two courts . Mr . Wiggins said , " Take it out . " Mr .
Wiggins stated that he withdrew his request for a two -court
tennis building . Mr . Stanton stated that he would like to hear
from the Town Board member who was present , Mr . Cramer , Mr .
Cramer indicated that he had nothing to say , however , he would
speak to the Town Board about what the Planning Board thinks .
Mr . Stanton expressed his concern about the lack of
communication . Chairman May stated that he had a problem with
another resolution because he felt that the December 6th
resolution says what the Board said . The Secretary suggested
that the Planning Board could refer to its December 6th
resolution and then proceed with a resolution statement
commencing with " for purposes of clarification with respect to
the Resolution duly adopted by the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
on December 6 , 1983 in re the rezoning request of Walter J . and
Joyce Wiggins , the following statement is made : " The Board
concurred , its statement follows :
RESOLUTION STATEMENT , Town of Ithaca Planning Bopard
February 7 , 1984
Preamble
On December 6 , 1983 , at Public Hearing , the following
Resolution was duly adopted by the Town of Ithaca Planning Board :
" RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board recommend
and hereby does recommend to the Town Board that a 20 . 4 -acre
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portion of lands of Walter J . and Joyce Wiggins , fronting on
Danby Road , and known as 1152 Danby Road , said 20 . 4 acres being a
portion of Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 36 - 1 - 4 . 2 containing
approximately 55 . 19 acres , be rezoned from Residence District
R- 30 to Multiple Residence District as requested by Walter J . and
Joyce Wiggins and as specifically set forth on Map entitled - -
" Site Plan , The Chateau " - - prepared by William Downing
Associates Architects , dated 11 / 15 / 83 , revised 12 / 5 / 83 , drawn by
K . D . G . , Project Number 83 - 568 , Scale 1 " = 1001 , with said Map
having been reviewed by said Planning Board at Public Hearing ,
this date , December 6 , 1983 , and with said Planning Board having
found that :
1 . There is a need for the proposed use in the proposed
location ;
2 . The existing and probable future character of the
neighborhood in which the use is to be located will not be
adversely affected ;
3 . The proposed change is in accordance with a comprehensive
plan of development of the Town , and
FURTHER RESOLVED , that , in the event the proposed use , as
shown on the above - cited Map , is determined by the applicants ,
Walter J . and Joyce Wiggins , to be undesirable , they can use the
Phase 1 portion thereof , i . e . , 21 studio - type apartments , as
apartment dwellings . "
The Motion to adopt said Resolution was made by Mr . Edward
Mazza and seconded by Mr . Bernard Stanton ; Chairman May , Mrs .
Schultz , Mr . Baker , Mr . Stanton , Mrs . Grigorov , and Mr . Mazza
voted Ayes Mr . Klein abstained from the vote ; there were no Nays .
On February 7 , 1984 , at its regularly scheduled meeting , the
Planning Board Agenda included the following item : 117 : 45 P . M .
Review of Minor Modifications to Wiggins ' Chateau Proposal
including Two - Court Tennis Facility . A portion of Tax Parcel No .
6 - 36 - 1 - 4 . 2 , 1152 Danby Road . " Discussion was held in open
session with Mr . Walter J . Wiggins ; the Planning Board was
assisted in its deliberations by the Town Engineer , the Town
Planner , and the Town Attorneyop
s the following action took place .
Statement of Clarification
For purposes of clarification with respect to the Resolution
duly adopted by the Town of Ithaca Planning Board on December 6 ,
1983 , hereinabove set forth , in re the rezoning request of Walter
J . and Joyce Wiggins , the following statement is made :
The Planning Board Resolution of December 6 , 1983 , stands ;
Final Site Plan Approval by the Planning Board was not granted ,
it being that there may be minor modifications with respect to
the swimming pool , the Jacuzzi , or other items of that nature .
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With respect to its recommendation for rezoning , it is the
Planning Board ' s understanding that the developer will begin the
project with up to twenty - four ( 24 ) Bed and Breakfast units in
Phase 1 and , prior to the starting of any additional units , a
determination will be made by the developer as to the economic
viability of the Bed and Breakfast project . Should the initial
Phase 1 project not be economically viable as a Bed and Breakfast
operation , as determined by the developer , Phase 1 may be
converted to apartments not to exceed twenty - two ( 22 ) apartment
units and no further expansion of The Chateau shall be built .
However , at the completion of Phase 1 , the developer may elect to
continue the expansion of The Chateau up to a total of eighty
( 80 ) Bed and Breakfast units . The developer has stated that upon
expansion into Phase 2 , and beyond , the project shall be used
only as a Bed and Breakfast facility .
The foregoing statement is made with specific reference to
the Map before the Town of Ithaca Planning Board this date ,
February 7 , 1984 , entitled - - " Site Plan , The Chateau " - -
prepared by William Downing Associates Architects , dated
11 / 15 / 83 , GENERAL REVISION 2 / 1 / 84 , drawn by K . D . G . , Project
Number 83 - 568 , Scale 1 " = 1001 , with the exception of the
proposed Two - Court Tennis Building indicated thereon , said
proposal having been withdrawn by Mr . Wiggins this date , February
7 , 1984s
Chairman May MOVED the adoption of the foregoing Resolution
Statements Edward Mazza seconded the MOTION . There being no
further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - May , Schultz , Mazza , Grigorov , Langhans , Stanton .
Nay - None .
Abstain - Klein .
Chairman May declared the MOTION to be carried and the
Resolution Statement duly adopted .
PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF PROPOSED AMENDMENTS TO THE ZONING
ORDINANCE .
Both Mr . Fabbroni and Mr . Lovi stated to the Board that the
following proposed resolution is for Planning Board comment as an
amendment to the existing zoning ordinance . Mr . Buyoucos stated
that he had requested that this be done . Mr . Lovi noted that the
document before the Board is proposed as an amendment to Article
VI , Multiple Residence Districts , Sections 26 and 28 thereof ,
which is found on page 12 of the existing ordinance , adding that
the rest of the ordinance is unchanged . Said proposed amendment
follows :
" IT IS RESOLVED that the Zoning Ordinance of the Town of Ithaca
hereby be amended by the replacement of the existing " SECTION 26 "
and " SECTION 28 ( 1 ) " by the following text :
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SECTION 26 , Use Regulations , In Multiple Residence Districts ,
no building shall be erected or extended and no land or building
or part thereof shall be used for other than any of the following
purposes :
1 . One - family dwelling units
2 • Two - family dwelling units
3 . Dwelling units for three or more families
4 . Hotel or Motel
5 . Restaurants without drive - in service , If alcoholic
beverages are served , no restaurant may be nearer than 500
feet from any church or school , or 150 feet from any
dwelling unit .
6 . Any use permitted in Business Districts " A " or " B " , provided
that each such use shall not occupy more than 500 square
feet , nor employ more than three ( 3 ) persons at any one
time .
SECTION 28 , Area , Yard , Coverage and Height Requirements shall
be as follows
1 . Area : a minimum tract of ten acres is required for the
development of a Multiple Residence District . Said tract
must contain at least 21500 square feet of gross lot area
for each dwelling unit to be constructed and 51000 square
feet of gross lot area for each business use .
IT IS FURTHER RESOLVED that the present Zoning Ordinance and Map ,
complete with all amendments thereto , be reprinted in a manner
convenient for photocopying and future updating . "
The Planning Board members reviewed the proposal line by
line , discussing same with Mr . Fabbroni , Mr . Lovi , and Mr .
Buyoucos , Mr . Lovi explained that the proposal would be
reflective of the kinds of proposals which the Board is seeing
more and more of , i . e . , proposals such as Mr . Wiggins ' proposal
for The Chateau bed and breakfast inn combined with the
restaurant L ' Auberge du Cochon Rouge and Mr . Knowlton ' s proposal
for the mix of uses , Lake Shore West , at the old hospital site .
He also explained that the last part of the proposed resolution
will alleviate the problem of photocopying the existing zoning
ordinance and zoning map over and over .
The Planning Board agreed that " tourist home " should be
included . Mr . Buyoucos stated that he felt a district where
mixed uses were permitted was very important , adding that he has
been pushing for PUDs for years , however , reference to tourist
homes , hotels , motels , and restaurants with alcoholic beverages
was not appropriate to Lake Shore West . Mr . Buyoucos stated that
the law to be proposed should be particular to Lake Shore West
rather than as an amendment to Article VI ; it should not be
general to multiple residence districts since the permitted uses
in Multiple Residence Districts should be " incident " to
residential .
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Discussion continued with reference to parking . Mr .
Fabbroni noted that the proposal is for the remaining sections to
be unchanged , thus Section 38 of Article VII , Business Districts ,
would be applicable to the business uses . Mr . Fabbroni noted
that existing Section 27 , the remaining paragraphs in Section 28 ,
Section 29 read in conjunction with Section 38 , and Section 30 ,
are proposed to be unchanged . Mr . Mazza wanted to make sure that
whichever Board is going to be considering the ordinance after
the amendment is given the leeway to mold the mix of uses the way
they see fit ; it should be flexible . Mr . Buyoucos suggested that
the approach the Zoning Board of Appeals follows under Section 77
of the existing ordinance might be included here to achieve that .
Further discussion followed , it being agreed that a new
Article was in order which could be entitled " Mixed Use
Districts " .
MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . Montgomery
May :
RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board recommend
and hereby does recommend to the Codes and Ordinances Committee
of the Town Board that the existing Town of Ithaca Zoning
Ordinance be amended to provide a New Article which could be
numbered VI -A , or VI . 1 , and which describes a mixed use district ,
and , that the sections of that article include similar sections
to those in existing Article VI , and , further that , under the new
section which will specify use regulations be included :
1 . One - family dwelling units
2 . Two - family dwelling units
3 . Dwelling units for three or more families
4 . Hotel , Motel , or Tourist Home
5 . Restaurants without drive - in service
6 . Any use permitted in Business Districts " A " or " B " , provided
that each such use shall not occupy more than 500 squire
feet , nor employ more than three persons at any one time ,
and , further that those accessory uses as set forth in paragraphs
1 and 2 of existing Section 27 be included , and further , that a
new section on parking , similar to existing Section 38 in
existing Article VII , be included , and further , that a section
equivalent to existing paragraphs 2 , 3 , 4 , and 5 of existing
Section 28 , be included , and further , that a new section , as
proposed to said Planning Board this date , February 7 , 1984 , as
" SECTION 28 , paragraph 1 " , be included as so presented , and
further , that a new section similar to existing Section 30 be
included such that the Board given the authority to proceed under
this new article has flexibility sufficient to permit orderly
growth and promote the general health , safety , and welfare of the
community .
vote . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
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Aye - May , Schultz , Mazza , Grigorov , Langhans , Stanton , Klein .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
Chairman May stated that he wished the record to show that
the foregoing resolution is the comment of the Planning Board , as
requested , and further , that it is what the Planning Board is
saying for the present , and further , that the Planning Board
thinks that a " mixed use district " is a . good idea . The members
of the Planning Board concurred with Chairman May ' s statement .
REQUEST OF THE TOWN ENGINEER FOR PLANNING BOARD DIRECTION WITH
RESPECT TO PROPOSAL FOR CONTINUED DEVELOPMENT OF LAND FORMERLY
OWNED BY WILLIS HILKER OFF SNYDER HILL ROAD , KNOWN AS HAVEN
HILLS , NOW OWNED BY STANLEY GOLDBERG AND OTHERS .
Mr . Fabbroni described the background of the development of
the Haven Hills Subdivision off Snyder Hill Road , which included
Dove Drive and Pheasant Lane , and for which the original owner
and developer was Willis Hilker . He noted that Mr . Hilker had
developed the first phase of Haven Hills in terms of putting in
of utilities . He commented that , unfortunately , Mr . Hilker went
bankrupt , the land was repossessed by Stanley Goldberg , and lots
have been sold off one by one , adding that John Novarr had talked
with him about a proposal for the land . He stated that Mr .
Goldberg still owns a certain number of backlots and has
expressed interest in some kind of " cluster " development of those
involving some eleven acres . Mr . Fabbroni pointed out that the
Town does not have title to any of the roads nor does the Town
have title to the park . He stated that the owner has indicated
that the 2 � acre park acreage could be wherever the Town wants it
to be on this land . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the proposal he
wished to have input from the Board on is that the owner would
like to use the acreage that is a part of the existing lots as a
part of the cluster acreage , in essence , the 9 lots left in Phase
1 would , through a restrictive covenant , be limited to one - family
homes and utilize the total acreage in the acreage calculations
for determining how many can be in the cluster in the back lots .
Chairman May wondered if there were any numbers to think about .
Mr . Fabbroni noted that the cluster regulations permit 3 . 5 units
per gross acre and described 18 units plus 44 units as equaling
62 units even with the park included . He stated that the owner
wants to put in 57 , i . e . , 48 in the back and the 9 which he just
mentioned . Mrs . Grigorov indicated that she did not approve of
the idea of having someone ' s lot count for someone else ' s
acreage . The general feeling of the Board members was that Mr .
Fabbroni should inform the owner that the Board was not
particularly amenable to his idea as proposed at the moment . It
was suggested that the owner sever the 9 lots and consider the
back acreage , or , consider the back 11 acres as multiple
residence . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he would discuss the Board ' s
comments with Mr . Novarr .
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ADJOURNMENT
Upon Motion , Chairman May declared the February 7 , 1984
meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at
11000 P . M .
Respectfully submitted ,
Nancy M , Fuller , Secretary ,
Town of Ithaca Planning Board ,