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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
SEPTEMBER 6 , 1983
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on
Tuesday , September 6 , 1983 , in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street ,
Ithaca , New York , at 7 : 30 p . m .
PRESENT : Chairman Montgomery May , Carolyn Grigorov , James Baker ,
Barbara Schultz , David Klein , Bernard Stanton , Lawrence
P . Fabbroni ( Town Engineer ) , Lewis D . Cartee ( Building
Inspector ) , Nancy M . Fuller ( Secretary ) .
ALSO PRESENT : Ivar Jonson , John Vasse , Peter Costanza , Esq . ,
Vincent Franciamone , Mary Ludlom , J . C . McKinley
( WTKO News ) , and James V . Buyoucos , Esq . ( Town
Attorney ) .
Chairman May declared the meeting duly opened at 7 : 35 p . m .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - June 7 , 1983
MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . James Baker .
• RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approve and
hereby does approve the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board Meeting of June 7 , 1983 , as submitted .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - June 21 , 1983
MOTION by Mrs . Carolyn Grigorov , seconded by Mrs . Barbara
Schultz .
RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approve and
hereby does approve the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board Meeting of June 21 , 1983 , as submitted .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
APPROVAL OF MINUTES - July 5 , 1983
Planning Board 2 September 6 , 1983
• MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . David Klein .
RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board approve and
hereby does approve the Minutes of the Town of Ithaca Planning
Board . Meeting of July 5 , 1983 , as submitted .
There being no .further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
REPORT OF THE TOWN ENGINEER , LAWRENCE P . FABBRONI
Mr . Fabbroni stated that those who live on West Hill know
that the Town spent a good part of the summer preparing roads for
oil and stoning and that that work is just about completed .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the paving of Stone Quarry Road
is in process and will largely complete the improvement project
for that road with the exception of the railroad project . He
noted that the matter of the drainageway needs to be discussed
with the City and commented on some past history wherein , years
• ago , the City rebuilt the retaining wall there .
Reporting with respect to park work , Mr . Fabbroni stated
that quite a bit of work has been accomplished with our summer
help , e . g . , Forest Home Walkway from the North Bridge up to
Warren Road in the vicinity of the tenth hole of the Golf Course
is well under way . The bikeway from Maple Avenue to Game Farm
Road is also well under the way to be completed . The Highway
Department will complete brush cutting and landscaping . Mr .
Fabbroni stated that protective bridge structures will be
installed across the Judd Falls Road and Cascadilla Creek
bridges . He described the status of the bikeway which goes all
the way from Honness Lane to Game Farm Road .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that some drainage work was looked at
with the County and noted the upcoming receipt of $ 1 , 000 . 00
( matching funds ) which will go toward the purchase of bin walls
which can be stockpiled for some future larger project . Mr .
Fabbroni commented that $ 2 , 000 . 00 would only go for about 20 feet
of a project .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Burns Road project has
involved a great deal of work , time , and effort . He stated that
the Final Environmental Impact Statement ( F / EIS ) went to the Town
Board on August 30th and included all the answers to the
responses , of which there were not many , during the 45 - day review
. period . He commented that William Mobbs , the County Commissioner
of Public Works , had a couple of questions and the Six Mile Creek
Committee had a list of things they wanted included which were
either answered or it was concluded that the alternatives were
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• more damaging . He stated that the Findings and Conclusions with
respect to the F / EIS should be accepted by the Town Board on
September 12th and some work should be started this Fall . Mr .
Fabbroni stated that , in parallel , some Civil Engineers at the
Cornell Graduate Department have been doing sample gathering and
lab testing on the soils in this area . Some useful information
should be obtained from the work . He commented that as soon as
the weather allows in 1984 we should be able to go ahead with
heavy construction .
Mr . Fabbroni reported briefly on the various transit systems
with which the Town is involved , noting that they are all doing
very well .
Mr . Fabbroni reported on four ARC applications in process
involving proposals for a two million gallon tank on Snyder Hill ,
a fire station on South Hill , water and sewer on West Hill , and a
bus to increase service to the Hospital . Mr . Fabbroni commented
that most of these applications require some definite application
of private funds . He felt that the tank has the best support for
this year or for next year . A discussion followed between Mr .
Fabbroni and Mrs . Grigorov about the tank vis a vis the Pine Tree
Road Tank with Mr . Fabbroni describing discussions with Cornell
University and needs such as East Hill Plaza . Mr . Fabbroni
commented that almost in what might be termed a " backwards
• fashion " this tank could supply the whole Bolton Point system .
He stated that the pre - application process was a good learning
experience .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that Susan Beeners has been working
hard on the landscaping program which we got notice of in July
and is well into that project . He noted that the deadline is
definitely September 30 , 1983 . He stated that materials have all
been ordered and about half delivered and pretty well planted .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that the six -week summer youth people are
gone . He reported that the five best were kept on for
completion , one surveying with Mike Ocello . He stated that the
CETA employees were extended for two weeks , but we lost them on
Friday , September 2nd . Mr . Fabbroni stated that there is one
CETA worker left and one temporary , besides the park people ,
doing the landscaping program .
Mr . Stanton expressed his compliments to the staff for the
excellent work in completing the Burns Road F / EIS . All members
of the Board agreed on kudos to Larry Fabbroni , Peter Lovi , Mike
Ocello , Susan Beeners , and Helen Blauvelt .
Chairman May thanked Mr . Fabbroni for his report .
REPORT OF THE TOWN PLANNER , PETER M . LOVI
. Mr . Fabbroni stated that Mr . Lovi was on vacation ,
commenting that he ( Fabbroni ) had been engrossed in agreements
with respect to Commonland and the Professional Building matters ,
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• so he would merely touch on Mr . Lovi ' s efforts to the extent that
Mr . Lovi has been involved with the Burns Road F / EIS , the
administrative aspects of the summer workers , and working with
Mrs . Connie Allen , the Town Budget Officer , on future computer
needs .
Chairman May thanked Mr . Fabbroni for speaking on behalf of
Mr . Lovi .
REPORT OF THE TOWN BUILDING INSPECTOR , LEWIS D . CARTEE
Mr . Cartee noted that the Board members had received with
their Agenda copies of his July and August , 1983 , Report of
Building Permits Issued . In July of 1983 , 11 permits were issued
for a total of $ 1 , 202 , 175 . 00 in improvements as compared with
July of 1982 where 10 permits were issued for a total of
$ 73 , 950 . 00 in improvements . In August of 1983 , 31 permits were
issued for a total of $ 786 , 790 . 00 in improvements as compared
with August of 1982 with 6 permits issued for $ 59 , 200 . 00 in
improvements .
Mr . Cartee commented that the number of building permits
issued in August ( 31 ) would seem to be the fruits of all the work
done in connection with the Commonland Community . He stated that
he issued 15 building permits for Section 2 of Phase I of
Commonland . He stated that Section 1 of Phase I is almost
• completed as far as building homes goes . Mr . Cartee stated that
31 building permits in one month is unusual .
Chairman May thanked Mr . Cartee for his report .
REPORT OF THE PLANNING BOARD REPRESENTATIVE TO THE COUNTY
PLANNING BOARD , CAROLYN GRIGOROV .
Noting that the Board members had each received copies of
the Minutes of both the July 13th and August 10th , 1983 , Meetings
of the County Planning Board with their Agenda , Mrs . Grigorov
reported briefly on the August meeting .
Referring to " PASNY " power , Mrs . Grigorov stated that the
Board of Representatives passed a Resolution in August approving
the establishment of the Public Service Utility Agency , adding
that the Resolution has the same intent as that which was
considered by the County Planning Board . The Resolution
specifies that the Board of Reps will act as the Agency and the
Proposition will be on the November ballot . The Village of
Groton should continue to receive its present allocation of
hydropower and should be held harmless essentially . The Agency
is not really a " paper agency " but will have full authority , even
though Project I is primarily a paper project .
• Mrs . Grigorov stated that the whole Biggs Complex situation
has changed since the August meeting .
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• Mrs . Grigorov reported that a current EMC project is the
creation of a handicapped accessible wetland for educational
purposes at Hogs Hollow in the area of the Marina north of Cass
Park , an area some of which used to be under water . EMC has met
with DEC to consider a 20 - acre piece of land , half of which may
be converted to a wetland .
Mrs . Grigorov indicated that most of the meeting was devoted
to an update on Route 96 , with the following being the latest
proposed schedule - - final design 1984 , bid 1987 , build 1988
( first phase ) .
As a final comment , Mrs . Grigorov reported that a very nice
compliment had been made with regard to code enforcement in the
Town of Ithaca when it was noted by the County Commissioner of
Planning , Frank Liguori , that the Uniform Fire Prevention and
Building Code adoption would affect the Town very little because
it had a very sophisticated enforcement system now .
Chairman May thanked Mrs . Grigorov for her report .
PUBLIC HEARING : PLANNING BOARD REVIEW OF PROPOSED CLUSTER
SUBDIVISION AT 108 RIDGECREST ROAD . FIRST PHASE - - FOUR UNITS ON
APPROXIMATELY 5 . 5 ACRES . TAX PARCELS NO . 6 - 45 - 1 - 5 . 1 AND
6 - 45 - 1 - 5 . 2 , AND A PORTION OF TAX PARCEL NO . 6 - 45 - 1 - 2 . 2 . GRACE
• CASCIOLI , OWNER / DEVELOPER .
Chairman May declared the Public Hearing in the above -noted
matter duly opened at 8 : 00 p . m . and accepted for the record the
Clerk ' s Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of
Public Hearing ( s ) in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on August
29 , 1983 and September 1 , 1983 , respectively . The following
documents , submitted by the developer had been received by the
Planning Board with their Agenda : ( 1 ) Reduced copy of Proposed
Cluster Housing plan , King Road / Ridgecrest Road , dated August 10 ,
1983 , and , ( 2 ) Completed Short Environmental Assessment Form with
all answers checked " no " , signed by Grace Cascioli , dated August
10 , 1983 . In addition , the Board had received a copy of the
Reviewer ' s comments - ( Mr . Lovi ) with respect to the SEQR Review of
the proposal dated August 15 , 1983 , as follows :
SEQR REVIEW - Cascioli Cluster Subdivision
Introduction
The proposed subdivision presents several environmental and
design - related problems for the Planning Board to consider . The
primary problem is one of road access to the development . Though
a 15 ' right - of -way may be sufficient for a private driveway to
the dwelling units proposed at this time , any further development
of the interior lands should only be permitted if a minimum 50 '
• right - of -way is permanently established . Such a right - of -way
would be necessary in order to permit an orderly and safe
two - lane traffic pattern serving the interior lots in the
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• cluster . Given the present unavailability of additional frontage
for such a right - of - way , further development of the site as a
clustered subdivision would result in a traffic problem in this
area . I believe a more correct answer to question # 11 on the
S / EAF would be " yes " .
Alternatives
I . The developer could acquire additional land fronting on
either Ridgecrest or East King Roads contiguous to her
present parcel . A easement of 50 ' minimum width would be
either :
a ) mapped and deeded to the Town for use as a future road
right - of -way .
b ) mapped and held by the developer with the restriction
that no building or other structure may be constructed
within its boundaries . Such a condition would be
established as a restrictive covenant and would perma -
nently run with title to the land .
In any case , the exact location and minimum size of this
road easement would be determined to the satisfaction of the
Town Engineer . The documents reserving this easement as a
• permanent road right - of - way would be drawn to the satisfac -
tion of the Town Engineer .
II . The developer could move the two existing buildings on tax
parcels 45 - 1 - 5 . 1 and 45 - 1 - 5 . 2 to the interior acreage and
use this land for the road right - of -way . This would be a
preferable arrangement since there are several waivers of
the cluster regulations which would otherwise have to be
made in order to permit the present proposal to be con -
structed as a clustered subdivision . These specific cluster
regulations which would have to be waived are detailed
below .
Specific Cluster Regulations to be Waived
NOTE . The numbers in the brackets refer to the sections of
the cluster regulations to be considered more fully by the
Planning Board .
[ # 3 , 41 Since the developer in only proposing to build one
dwelling unit in the cluster subdivision at present , a
map showing the number of units permitted in a tradi -
tional subdivision may not be necessary . However , it
would still be helpful to have an indication of the
eventual development plans for this land .
• [ # 5 b , c ] Without some consideration for the eventual development
of the additional land , the present proposal would
oblige all traffic generated by 5 . 5 acres of R15
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• acreage to be served by a single 15 ' access road .
Furthermore , since the developer owns additional land
contiguous to the present proposal , it is possible that
in the future , additional traffic load may be put on
this substandard driveway . In my opinion , the proposed
arrangement would impede the orderly development of
land in the neighborhood .
[ # 5 g ] The subdivision plan should present the parking
areas in greater detail . It appears that the developer
is proposing that parking lots be located in the front
yards of both buildings ; given the congested develop -
ment of this proposal , rear yard parking lots would be
preferable .
[ # 5 h ] The effect of this clustered arrangement would be to
put four residential dwelling units on an area ( 100 x
150 ' ) which would only allow 1 - 2 dwelling units . The
concentration of bulk and percentage of lot area
covered are significantly greater than that of the
immediate neighborhood . Relocating the existing
structures to the interior lots would alleviate this
problem .
[ # 8 ] No open space reservation has been indicated on the
• present plan . Given the proposed development and
narrow access road , use and maintenance of any interior
acreage as parkland would be difficult .
[ # 9 ] The buffer area between the proposed subdivision and
adjacent properties is only 15 ' , not 30 ' as required .
The Planning Board may also require a buffer 40 ' wide
between the edge of the pavement of any public road in
a clustered subdivision and adjoining properties . This
requirement may necessitate the reservation of an
easement 140 ' wide for use as a road right - of -way
serving the subdivision .
Conclusion
Given the existing houses on the site , a cluster plan has been
suggested as a way for the developer to construct an additional
dwelling unit which would otherwise not be permitted . However ,
the use of the cluster provisions obliges the developer to meet
additional requirements , which have been detailed above . These
requirements were adopted by the Planning Board because it was
realized that with the privilege of clustering should be certain
obligations for adequate parking , access , buffering , and rational
site development . Clustering was not devised as a way to " get
around " any particular , onerous zoning requirements .
• Unless the environmental questions raised above are addressed in
a revised preliminary plan , I believe the Planning Board would be
setting an unfortunate precedent by favorably considering this
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• project , as presented . If the developer merely wants to
construct an additional dwelling unit on his undersized rear lot ,
and can prove some practical difficulty or peculiar hardship ,
then a variance from the Zoning Board of Appeals is all that is
necessary . To propose a cluster plan which itself would require
numerous waivers when all that will be constructed at this time
is the otherwise unpermitted dwelling unit seems an inappropriate
use of this otherwise flexible development tool .
Attorney Peter Costanza appeared before the Board on behalf
of Mrs . Cascioli and , utilizing the large - sized version of the
plan received by the Board , spoke to Mrs . Cascioli ' s proposal .
He stated that there are two structures presently existing ,
noting that he was talking about the narrow parcel fronting on
Ridgecrest Road . He pointed out that there is a two -unit
building in the front and a 2 - unit building in the back and
stated that the dark portion shown on the plan , with respect to
the back z -unit building , is proposed for construction and is to
be included as part of a cluster development including additional
land which has been purchased . Mr . Costanza stated that the
present proposal refers only to the two presently existing
structures . Mr . Costanza passed around two 8 " x 10 " photographs
of these two buildings .
Chairman May inquired as to the square footage of the
• smaller back building to which Mr . Vincent Franciamone responded ,
less than 1 , 000 square feet .
Mr . Costanza spoke of a 15 - foot passageway in terms of going
into the back. area .
Mr . Stanton asked about what is situated on the two adjacent
lots ( 45 - 1 - 4 and 45 - 1 - 6 ) with Mr . Costanza responding that there
are houses located on those two lots . Mr . Stanton noted that
there appeared to be no right of way into the back land . Mr .
Costanza stated that there was no right of way .
Chairman May inquired as to the acreage of the front parcel
and was informed that it is a little short of 30 , 000 square feet
( 100 x 275 ' ) . Mr . May stated that in his opinion there is
inadequate access to the back lands to even consider the
proposal , adding that there is inadequate lands in front and
there is no buffer area .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that Mrs . Cascioli now owns 15 acres in
the back , about 5 of which is a part of the proposal being
presented tonight as the first phase . Mr . Costanza corrected the
acreage involved by noting that Mrs . Cascioli now owns 16 . 7 acres
in the back .
Mr . Klein asked if there were land available to permit
access from King Road . Mr . Costanza stated that at this point he
did not know if such land were available .
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Chairman May stated that he had trouble seeing how the Board
can consider this as a cluster the way it is here proposed . He
stated that the front parcel is too small and he did not see how
it can be tied in with the back land just purchased. .
Mr . Costanza stated , with respect to the portion fronting
directly on Ridgecrest Road , that that is all the space there is .
Mr . Costanza stated that Mrs . Cascioli is willing to dedicate a
certain amount of land to achieve what is proposed .
Chairman May stated that even if that were the case , with
the buffer areas required by the cluster regulations , he could
not see how it can be done . Mr . May also noted the yard
requirements that are not met .
Mrs . Grigorov asked if the two buildings were just built , to
which Mr . Costanza replied that they have been there about ten
years .
Mr . Klein stated that he thought the proposal , as presented ,
was terrible ..
Mr . Fabbroni asked what the developer ' s options were for
access other than through the Ridgecrest Road land . Mr . Costanza
replied that he wished to stress , in terms of the way they are
treating this proposal , that there is no problem with access to
the back land , there are no plans for the back area , the Board
should not consider this as part of the proposal . He stated that
what they are talking about is the two front buildings at this
time .
Mrs . Grigorov asked if the front parcel is in compliance now
as it stands ., Mr . Fabbroni stated that if the back unit is not
occupied , it is in compliance .
Mr . Stanton stated that he agreed with the Chairman .
Chairman May stated that , on the surface 5 . 5 acres is sufficient
for a cluster_ proposal , but if there is no access to the back
area it is not really a useful part .
Mr . Costanza wondered if the Board wanted a 50 - foot access
way to the back land . The Board indicated that that would be
important .
A discussion followed among the Board members , Mr . Costanza ,
and the Town Engineer with respect to the Cluster Regulations and
the number of items therein that would have to be waived as to
the proposal . Mr . Costanza suggested that further discussion was
not going to go anywhere at this time and the matter should be
put aside for now . He stated that other things are under
discussion .
Chairman May asked if there were anyone present who wished
to speak to Mrs . Cascioli ' s subdivision proposal . No one spoke .
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• Chairman May declared the Public Hearing duly closed at 8 : 15 p . m .
Board discussion followed .
MOTION by Mr . David Klein , seconded by Mr . James Baker .
WHEREAS , at Public Hearing the Town of Ithaca Planning Board
reviewed plans submitted for a proposed cluster subdivision at
108 Ridgecrest Road , the first phase thereof proposed to include
four dwelling units in two structures on approximately 5 . 5 acres ,
Town of Ithaca Tax Parcels No . 6 - 45 - 1 - 5 . 1 and 5 . 2 and a portion
of Tax Parcel No . 6 - 45 - 1 - 2 . 2 , Grace Cascioli , Owner / Developer ,
Peter Costanza , Esq . , as Agent , and
WHEREAS , said Planning Board finds said cluster subdivision
proposal as presented this date , September 6 , 1983 , to be lacking
in that the requirements of the Town of Ithaca Cluster
Regulations are not met with respect to buffering , access , side
yards , and distances from adjacent neighbors ;
NOW , THEREFORE , BE IT RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca
Planning Board reject and hereby does reject the plan , as it has
been presented , for a proposed cluster subdivision , as
hereinabove described , at 108 Ridgecrest Road .
• There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
MOTION by Mr . Montgomery May , seconded by Mrs . Barbara
Schultz :
RESOLVED , that , in view of the Planning Board ' s decision in
the matter of the cluster subdivision proposal , as submitted on
behalf of Mrs . Cascioli , a determination by said Board under SEQR
with respect to said proposal , as submitted , appears to be
inappropriate at this time .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
PUBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION
• APPROVAL FOR PROPOSED FOUR- LOT SUBDIVISION ON PINE TREE ROAD .
TAX PARCEL NO . 6 - 58 - 2 - 22 . 2 , COMPRISED OF 2 . 27 + ACRES . IVAR
JONSON , OWNER / DEVELOPER .
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• Chairman May declared the Public Hearing in the above -noted
matter duly opened at 8 : 23 p . m . and accepted for the record the
Clerk ' s Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of
Public Hearing ( s ) in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on August
29 , 1983 and September 1 , 1983 , respectively . Chairman May
pointed out that , due to publication deadline requirements of the
Ithaca Journal , the following Notice of Public Hearing was set
forth in the legal notices but that the Agenda which had been
mailed as required noted the change in the proposal just prior to
publication - - " Consideration of Preliminary Subdivision Approval
for Proposed Three - Lot Subdivision on Pine Tree Road , and ,
Consideration of Recommendation to the Zoning Board of Appeals in
re variance ( s ) required for the construction of two - family
dwellings containing dwelling units of equal size , side by side .
Tax Parcel No . 6 - 58 - 2 - 22 . 2 , comprised of 2 . 27 acres . Ivar
Jonson , Owner / Developer . "
Mr . Ivar Jonson appeared before the Board with ten large
copies of his Preliminary Subdivision Plan proposing four lots on
land previously owned by John Marion , now deceased . The Board
members had received with their Agenda a copy of the completed
Short Environmental Assessment Form . Mr . Jonson asked , because
the matter of the pond was of concern , that the Secretary read
aloud the following portion of a letter Janice M . Womble had
written to Mr . John Vasse : " As to the topography and drainage
• plot which Johnson ( sic . ) is having done - - make sure all
references to the pond recognize its man -made origin . There are
detailed topography and soil analysis maps drawn by the
Conservation Dept . when they built the pond as a demonstration
project in 1950 . That was one of the first anywhere , and
established a method for water conservation for fire protection ,
and other farm uses , before most areas had public water . It was
also used by the State Fisheries Dept . for research in stocking
and growing fingerling brook , brown and rainbow trout - -
knowledge later used for restocking trout streams elsewhwere in
the state . It was never for drainage control . SHORT HISTORY
LESSON . "
Mr . Jonson stated briefly that he wanted to build four
houses and leave the pond the way it is . He stated that he was
asking for approval to do this and commented that everything that
is there will be there including the pond . He stated that he has
been and will be working with Larry Fabbroni and Lew Cartee . He
stated that he will preserve the pond and make the land better by
working with Mr . Fabbroni . He stated that he wanted to build
one - family homes only in the way permitted in the zoning . Mr .
Jonson passed around an 8 " x 10 " black and white aerial
photograph of the land in question and adjacent areas .
Mr . Fabbroni clarified Mr . Jonson ' s statement as to
one - family homes , noting that the request is for standard
• dwellings with maybe a basement apartment which , in essence ,
would be a two - family dwelling . Mr . Jonson agreed , adding that
what he meant was that the zoning permitted an apartment if 500
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• of the main unit , unless in the basement . He stated that he was
talking about a basement apartment .
Mr . Fabbroni commented to the Board that the proposal was
pretty straight forward and proceeded to refresh the Board ' s
memory with respect to the area , recalling that the Zwerman ,
Biesdorf , and Iacovelli properties were subdivided when John
Marion and Armand Adams , both now deceased , came in and were not
willing to dedicate park land . Out of those discussions came
some wording that the pond would always remain as open space .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that this is still possible as shown on the
survey / subdivision plan being presented by Mr . Jonson . Mr .
Fabbroni stated that he felt some kind of commitment as to the
pond remaining should go along with this plan in order to be
consistent with our intent to maintain the open space . He stated
that he would not want to see an owner fill in the pond and
diminish the open space .
Mr . Jonson stated that his lawyer is drafting an agreement
that the pond will stay that way . Mr . Fabbroni suggested various
ways to insure this , such as a restrictive covenant and / or
notations on the subdivision plan that is filed with the County
Clerk . Mr . Jonson stated that he has what Mr . Fabbroni wants but
he forgot to bring it and will give it to the Secretary first
thing in the morning . Mr . Jonson stated that his proposal is a
• simple , straight forward , thing ; the .lots are there as the plan
shows ; there is nothing out of the way that is not permitted . He
stated that sewer and water are there , the road is there , and he
can do very little harm to the land .
Chairman May stated that his only concern was the pond . Mr .
Jonson stated that that pond will remain . Mr . Jonson stated that
he will work with Mr . Fabbroni as to grading , commenting that
water can only go one way and that is straight downhill .
Mr . Klein asked Mr . Fabbroni for some more history about the
Marion proposal done in prior years . Mr . Fabbroni described
again in more detail the larger picture of the Marion land as it
evolved in late 1980 referencing again the now Zwerman property ,
the now Biesdorf property , and the now James Iacovelli , a fairly
recent owner , property . [ Secretary ' s Note . See Planning Board
Minutes 11 / 4 / 80 and 11 / 18 / 80 . 1
Turning to drainage , Mr . Fabbroni stated that proposed
parcels A and B will drain into the pond , but C and D will follow
lot lines . He commented that the Biesdorf parcel and the
Iacovelli parcel , referenced on the plan presented by Mr . Jonson ,
are vacant at this time . He stated that a swale would have to be
developed .
Mr . Klein expressed considerable concern about the pond with
• respect to assurances that it would remain intact . Mr . Klein
stated that he was not particularly happy with what Mr . Jonson
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• had mentioned as forthcoming assurance and noted that there was
nothing on the plan stating that the pond would remain .
Chairman May asked if there were anyone from the public who
wished to speak to the matter of the proposed four - lot
subdivision . No one spoke .
Chairman May asked the Board to turn to the matter of the
SEQR review , noting that the answers on the Environmental
Assessment Form ( Short Form ) had all been checked " no " and Mr .
Lovi had reviewed the project making the following
recommendation : " This project should pose no adverse
environmental consequences , as presented . The pond on site
should be preserved as a condition of approval . I recommend a
Negative Declaration for this Unlisted Action . "
MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mrs . Barbara
Schultz :
RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , acting as
lead agency in the review of the proposed four - lot subdivision on
Pine Tree Road , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 58 - 2 - 22 . 2 , Ivar
Jonson , Developer , approve and hereby does approve the
Environmental Assessment Form ( Short Form ) as completed , and
FURTHER RESOLVED , that pursuant to the State Environmental
Quality Review Act , Part 617 , this action is classified as
Unlisted , and
FURTHER RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board has
determined from the Environmental Assessment Form and all
pertinent information that the above - mentioned action will not
significantly impact the environment and , therefore , will not
require further environmental review .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
Nay - None .
Chairman May wondered if the Board might wish to consider
waiving the final approval hearing at this point . Mr . Fabbroni
stated that , if that were the case , there should be some
indication on this map which would be signed by the Chairman for
recording , specifying that the pond is to remain , in essence in
perpetuity , and that that should be stated in any approval
resolution as a condition of the approval .
MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . James Baker :
• RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board both grant
and hereby does grant preliminary subdivision approval and waive
and hereby does waive final subdivision approval , thus , said
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• grant of preliminary approval , in this case , shall be construed
as final approval , for a four - lot ( 4 - lot ) subdivision along Pine
Tree Road , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 58 - 2 - 22 . 2 , consisting
of 2 . 89 ± acres , as presented to said Planning Board on September
6 , 1983 by Ivar Jonson , Developer , and as is shown on Map
entitled " Survey for Estate of John Marion " - 8 / 83 - George
Schlecht , P . E . , P . L . S . - Preliminary 9 / 6 / 83 , said Map designating
such four lots as " A " " B " " C " and " D " and
FURTHER RESOLVED , that the grant of approval hereinabove
described is subject to the following conditions :
1 ) With respect to the pond located on Parcel " B " , the
subdivision map heretofore described shall denote that said
pond is to be preserved in perpetuity .
2 ) Such preservation of said pond shall be reflected as a
restriction incorporated in any deed conveying title .
3 ) The requirements of the Town Engineer with respect to
drainage shall be met .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
• Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Stanton .
Nay - Klein .
The MOTION was declared to be carried .
[ Secretary ' s Note : On Wednesday , September 7 , 1983 , Ivar Jonson
hand delivered to Nancy Fuller at Town Hall , the following letter
signed by Ivar R . Jonson :
" September 7 , 1983
Town Planning Board
Town of Ithaca
126 East Seneca Street
Ithaca , NY 14850
Re : Pond - Pine Tree Road Property
Gentlemen .
Please be assured that I have no present intent to alter , drain ,
or fill the pond located on Pine Tree Road in the Town of Ithaca
in the event I acquire title to said property , and that in the
event I subsequently convey this parcel , I will see that such a
restriction is incorporated in the deed .
• Very truly yours ,
Ivar Jonson " ]
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• SIGN REVIEW BOARD ( PLANNING BOARD ) - REVIEW OF PROPOSED SIGN FOR
OFFICE OF DR . MICHAEL GOODFRIEND , 1212 TRUMANSBURG ROAD .
Mr . Cartee presented Dr . Goodfriend ' s request for an
additional 3 sq . ft . of signage reading " 1212 Trumansburg Road "
to be added to his permitted 3 sq . ft . sign presently existing
and reading " M . A . Goodfriend M . D . " Mr . Cartee noted that 4 sq .
ft . of signage is permitted pursuant to Section 4 . 01 - 1 ( a ) of the
Sign Law , adding that a recommendation by the Sign Review Board
to the Zoning Board of Appeals on the request is required by the
Sign Law , The Board members had received with their Agenda
copies of the Appeal Form with attachments showing the sign and
its location .
MOTION by Mr . Montgomery May , seconded by Mrs . Barbara
Schultz :
RESOLVED , that , the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , in its
capacity as the Sign Review Board , recommend and hereby does
recommend to the Town of Ithaca Zoning Board of Appeals , on the
basis of need , attractiveness , and character , a grant of variance
from the requirements of Section 4 . 01 - 1 ( a ) of the Town of Ithaca
Sign Law to permit an additional 3 sq . ft . sign reading " 1212
Trumansburg Road " as requested by Dr . Michael A . Goodfriend .
• There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
NEW BUSINESS - REQUEST FOR SIGN PERMIT EXTENSION FOR ORCHARD HILL
SUBDIVISION , OFF DUBOIS ROAD NEAR INDIAN CREEK ROAD .
Mr . Cartee recalled for the Board that a Sign Permit for
" Orchard Hill " had been granted in 1980 , renewable for two years ,
which was done in 1981 and then again in 1982 . He stated that
the Board had indicated that the extension which was to expire in
July of 1983 was not to be renewed , however , Mr . Niedorkorn had
requested an additional year because of the economic situation .
MOTION by Mr . Montgomery May , seconded by Mr . James Baker .
RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board , in its
capacity as the Sign Review Board , grant and hereby does grant an
extension of oneear for Sign Permit No . 89 Orchard Hill
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Subdivision .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a
vote .
Aye - May , Grigorov , Baker , Schultz , Klein , Stanton .
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• Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
NEW BUSINESS - NEW YORK PLANNING FEDERATION , 45TH ANNUAL PLANNING
AND ZONING INSTITUTE , OCTOBER 16 - 181 1983 , GROSSINGER , NEW YORK .
The Secretary reported to the Board members that the Town
Board will be making its decision on September 12th as to
Planning Board and Zoning Board of Appeals representation at the
upcoming Planning and Zoning Institute . Mr . May , Mr . Klein , Mrs .
Schultz , and Mrs . Grigorov indicated their interest in attending
and stated that they would check their office schedules and
inform the Secretary by Thursday ( September 8th ) .
OLD BUSINESS - PROPOSED AGREEMENT - PROFESSIONAL BUILDING
Town Attorney James V . Buyoucos discussed with the Planning
Board and the Town Engineer certain aspects of an agreement he
had been asked to prepare with respect to the Planning Board ' s
decision in May 1983 in the matter of the additional building at
the site of the Professional Building , 1301 Trumansburg Road .
ADJOURNMENT
• Upon Motion , Chairman May declared the September 6 , 1983
meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at
10 : 00 P . M .
Respectfully submitted ,
Nancy M . Fuller , Secretary ,
Town of Ithaca Planning Board .