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TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
SEPTEMBER 5 , 1978
The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met in regular session on Tuesday ,
September 5 , 1978 , in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street ( second floor ) ,
Ithaca , New York , at 7 : 30 p . m .
PRESENT : Chairman Liese Bronfenbrenner , Bernard Stanton , Montgomery
May , Jonathan Bradley , Carolyn Grigorov , Patrick Mackesey , Lawrence P .
Fabbroni ( Town Engineer ) , Robert Bonnell ( Assistant to the Town Engineer ) .
ALSO PRESENT : Councilwoman Shirley Raffensperger , Norbert Schickel ,
:= Robert Andree , Sr . , Robert Andree , Jr . , Wayne R . Barr , Patricia B . Barr ,
Doria C . Grasso , Gerald A . Grasso , Suzanne Fullagar ; Douglas Fullagar ,
Carla Gray , Michael Gray , Charles White , Sr . , Jean Brockway , Mark
Brockway , Fred M . Brown , Betty T . Brown , Laura Terwilliger , Charles
Terwilliger , Anna Gebauer , Jackie Green - Smith , Roger Smith , Johann W .
Gebauer , Lillian R . Darling , Waldron B . Darling , Miriam J . Clements ,
Randall H . Hausner , Richard W . Brown , Jr . , Franklin E . Sharp , David P .
Minnick , Deborah A . Minnick ,
Chairman Bronfenbrenner declared the meeting duly opened at 7 : 32 p . m .
The Board members and all those present joined in congratulations to
Mr . Fabbroni on the birth of his son , Lawrence John Fabbroni .
REPORT OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR
Mr . Fabbroni reported that Building Permits were issued in the month
of June , 1978 , for 12 additions or accessory buildings and one one - family
home for a total of $ 75 , 000 worth of improvements , as compared to June of
1977 where permits were issued for 3 one - family homes , 2 two - family homes ,
and 8 accessory buildings for a total of $ 203 , 700 worth of improvements .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that Building Permits were issued in the month
of July , 1978 , for one one - family home , one four - family home , 13 accessory
structures , and one minor addition ( a greenhouse ) for a total of $ 210 , 457
worth of improvements , as compared to July of 1977 where permits were
issued for 3 one - family homes , one two - family home , and 5 additions or
accessory structures for a total of $ 185 , 650 worth of improvements .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that Building Permits were issued in the month
of August , 1978 , for 4 one - family homes , 8 additions , and one light
industrial structure for a total of $ 145 , 516 worth of improvements , as
compared to August of 1977 where permits were issued for 3 one - family
homes , one commercial structure , and 5 additions or accessory structures
for a total of $ 830 , 144 worth of improvements .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that this year is running pretty much behind
last year - - a lot less new single family homes and more additions .
REPORT OF THE TOWN ENGINEER
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the primary project is , of course , the
five - area sewer extensions .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the sewer is complete , with the exception
of clean - up , on Elm Street , being 3 / 4 of a mile of improvement .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that sewer and water are complete in Glenside
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and serves the whole Glenside community . He noted that the sewer has not
® been officially accepted as yet .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the sewer is complete , but not officially
accepted , on Coddington Road south of Troy Road .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the sewer is complete on Slaterville
Road with the exception of the pump station and forcemain .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that roughly 1 / 3 to 1 / 2 of the sewer is com-
pleted in Forest Home . He stated that construction is going on right now .
Referring to both creeks in Forest Home , he stated that the creek crossings
and pumping stations are one - half complete . He noted that by the first of
October the sewer should be laid with the pump stations going in around
the first of November .
Mr . Fabbroni commented that the weather is co - operating very nicely .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that , aside from the five - area sewer extensions ,
we are about 3 / 4 complete on the painting of the Christopher Circle tank .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the paving program is just about completed
for this year . He noted that there was a lot more oiling and stoning done
this year .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Town is hoping to build a salt shed
for salt storage at the Town Highway Facility this fall .
® Mr . Fabbroni reported that park construction is still coming up this
year with the bikeway and Northview Road West park being worked on .
Mr . Fabbroni commented in regard to the $ 1 , 000 , 000 sewer project ,
there has been a net so far of only $ 10 , 000 in change orders .
REPORT OF THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner passed around to the Board a letter to Mr .
Evan Monkemeyer from Mr . Fabbroni , dated July 27 , 1978 , in reference to
his proposed Oak Ridge cluster development , setting forth 12 requirements
for further review of this proposal by the Planning Board .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner announced that Mr . Monkemeyer is not ready at
this point to meet with the Board as yet but is in hopes of meeting with
the Board in October .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner led a brief discussion of the Town ' s Subdivision
Regulations and asked the members for their comments as soon as possible .
APPLICATIONS FOR SIGN PERMIT - - EAST HILL PLAZA .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that three applications for sign permit had been
submitted for a new location in the East Hill Plaza on what was formerly
the FBC store , as follows :
1 . Aquarium Pet Supplies - 2 ' x 12 ' .
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2 . Nautilus - 1 ' x 12 '
3 . A relocation of the Roy ' s Bar -B - Que sign , 2 ' x 12 ' , to said
new location .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that the three signs all meet the requirements of
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the Sign Ordinance insofar as being no more than the lineal front footage
® of the portion of the building they are to be placed upon .
MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . Montgomery May :
RESOLVED , that -. the Town of Ithaca Planning Board recommend and
hereby does recommend to the Town Board approval of the three signs
for the East Hill Plaza as presented this date , September 5 , 1978 , for
Aquarium Pet Supplies , Nautilus , and Roy ' s Bar - B - Que .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - Bronfenbrenner , Stanton , May , Bradley , Grigorov , Mackesey .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
Mr . Fabbroni reported that St . Catherine of Siena Church in the
Northeast area of the Town , would like to hang a hanging sign under their
approved sign ; it would be a changeable message sign . He stated that it
is generally the same format for three continuous weeks a year . Mr .
Fabbroni stated that this is not in compliance because it is in a
residential zone , the allowed size being one square foot . He noted that
the original sign there has a variance . Mr . Fabbroni commented that there
was never really any provision made for such signs , applications being
taken on an individual by individual case . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the
sign is located at the end of their driveway and can be seen from Hanshaw
® Road . Mr . Fabbroni noted that the previous application was denied by the
Town Board but the Church did not make it clear that it was for three
weeks only .
MOTION by Mr . Bernard Stanton , seconded by Mr . Patrick Mackesey :
RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board recommend and
hereby does recommend to the Town Board that a variance be granted by
said Town Board for a hanging sign to be placed upon the existing sign
at St . Catherine of Siena Church , for a three - week period .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - Bronfenbrenner , Stanton , May , Bradley , Grigorov , Mac:kesey .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
Mr . Fabbroni presented an application for sign permit for the
Texaco Self - Service Gas Station on the corner of Judd Falls Road and
Ellis Hollow Road .
He stated that the Texaco sign is 4 ' x 7 ' = 28 sq . ft . and is a
free - standing sign . Mr . Fabbroni stated that there are other signs
advertising the price of basically four different types of gasoline ,
two of which would be on each side of this sign , which they would propose
to have at each driveway entrance . Mr . Fabbroni noted that they can have
up to 100 sq . ft . on a free - standing sign , however , they would prefer to
have the one free - standing Texaco sign and these two signs that sit on
the grass at the entrance , rather than all on one free standing sign .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that the two little signs measure 5 - 1 / 2 ' x 3 - 3 / 4 ' for
a total of 42 sq . ft . , plus the 28 sq . ft . which equals 70 sq . ft . of
signage .
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Mr . Fabbroni noted that both drives are in and out , with one located
® opposite -rPine Tree Road .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that there is another sign which is required by
law stating that patrons must shut off their motors and no smoking .
Mr . May stated that it was his opinion that the fixed sign without
the movable sign looks far better .
Mr . Robert Andree , Jr . , described what the free - standing sign would
look like with Texaco and prices on it . He stated that the two proposed
little signs are movable .
Mr . Robert Andree , Sr . , stated that they have been to symposiums and
are working with a man in Syracuse and that they want to keep the whole
thing simple .
The Board set aside further discussion of this matter until later
in the meeting .
PUBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF AMENDMENT TO PHASE I APPROVAL PREVIOUSLY
GRANTED FOR EASTWOOD COMMONS , NORBERT S:CHICKEL , TO INCLUDE ONE ADDITIONAL
BUILDING , TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL 6 - 60 . 1 - 1 - 45 .
Chairman Bronfenbrenner declared the Public Hearing in the above -
noted matter duly opened at 8 : 00 p . m . and accepted for the record the
Clerk ' s Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of Public
Hearing in Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on August 29 , 1978 , and
August 31 , 1978 , respectively .
Mr . Norbert Schickel appeared before the Board and indicated on the
plans the Phase I area completed . The first building of Phase 2• 1.was
indicated . Mr . Schickel commented that he was somewhat confused - - he
will be back next month requesting approval of all of Phase 2 .
Mr . Schickel stated that the building under discussion contains
three units instead of four . Mr . Schickel stated that he wanted this
building to be started for construction now and would like to add it as
a part of Phase I . He noted that it has all been sold .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that if the building is built according to plans ,
he has no problems with road , drainage , etc . He noted that it fits into
Phase I . Mr . Fabbroni stated that sewer and water would have to be
approved at construction .
Chairman Bronfenbrenner asked for comments from either the Board or
the public . There was none .
The Chair declared the Public Hearing in the above - noted matter duly
closed at 8 : 05 p . m .
MOTION by Mrs . Liese Bronfenbrenner , seconded by Mr . Montgomery May :
to RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board grant and hereby
does grant approval for this three - unit building as an addition to Phase
I , previously approved , of Eastwood Commons , Norbert Schickel , Developer ,
to be known as Phase I ( a ) , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No . 6 - 60 . 1 - 1 - 45 .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
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Aye - Bronfenbrenner , Stanton , May , Bradley , Grigorov , Mackesey .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
APPLICATION FOR SIGN PERMIT - TEXACO SELF - SERVICE GAS STATION , CORNER
JUDD FALLS ROAD AND ELLIS HOLLOW ROAD .
Chairman Bronfenbrenner stated that the Board would now resume
consideration of the Application for Sign Permit as presented by Messrs .
Andree .
MOTION by Mr . Montgomery May , seconded by Mr . Patrick Mackesey :
RESOLVED , that the Town of Ithaca Planning Board recommend and hereby
does recommend to the Town Board that a variance be granted by said Town
Board to allow for three signs , as presented this date , at the Texaco
Self - Service Gas Station at the corner of Judd Falls Road and Ellis Hollow
Road , being one free - standing sign and two portable signs .
There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote .
Aye - Bronfenbrenner , Stanton , May , Bradley , Grigorov , Mackesey .
Nay - None .
The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously .
® Consideration of this matter ended at 8 : 12 p . m .
REVIEW AND DISCUSSION OF THOSE SECTIONS OF THE PROPOSED ZONING ORDINANCE
THAT HAVE BEEN COMPLETED BY THE CODES AND ORDINANCES COMMITTEE .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner led a brief discussion of the sections of the
Zoning Ordinance revision as have been completed so far - - Mobile
Home Residence Zone , Agricultural Zone , Conservation Area , Institutional
Use Zone , Special Flood Hazard Area ,
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner urged the Planning Board members to review these
sections , copies having been distributed , in depth , and to be prepared to
discuss any changes or additions they may wish to see .
PUBLIC HEARING : PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION HEARING FOR PROPOSED SUBDIVISION
ON RIDGECREST ROAD , BACK- LOT , LAGRAND CHASE , TOWN OF ITHACA TAX PARCEL
6 - 45 - 1 - 2 . 2 .
At 8 : 30 p . m . Chairman Bronfenbrenner declared the Public Hearing
in the above - noted matter open , and presented for the record the Clerk ' s
Affidavit of Posting and Publication of the Notice of Public Hearing in
Town Hall and the Ithaca Journal on August 29 , 1978 , and August 31 , 1978 ,
respectively .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner announced that Mr . Chase was not ready to present
his subdivision proposal at this time , since Mr . Thomas G . Miller does
not have the cost figures ready and also since his son had a baby over the
weekend .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that a letter went out to the landowners in the
area from Mr . Randy Chase , dated August 2 , 1978 , stating that some
development might occur on this land .
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Mr . Fabbroni presented for the record a Petition signed by 42
residents of the Ridgecrest Road area , reading as follows :
" August 23 , 1978
Mr . Noel Desch
Supervisor , Town of Ithaca
132 Updike Road
Ithaca , New York 14850
Dear Mr . Desch :
We , the residents of Ridgecrest Road in the Town of Ithaca , are con -
cerned about a recent letter from Randy Chase regarding the develop -
ment of the Nellie F . Chase Estate . We have enclosed ' a copy of this
letter from Mr . Chase to the Ridgecrest Road residents and are con -
cerned about the development options included therein .
As of August 22 , 1978 , they have proceeded to clear the Right of Way
from Ridgecrest Road to the property of Nellie F . Chase per attached
map .
Although the options seem to be straight forward in Mr . Chase ' s
letter we find that board members seem to be unaware of any develop -
ment plans in this area .
We are not opposed to development and realize the Town is inevitably
® going to grow , however , we feel that development can be done in such
a way that will not be devastating to property values and neighbor -
hoods and be a definite asset to the Town .
We the undersigned thank you in advance for the anticipated written
reply we know we can expect from you in this matter . "
The attached letter read as follows :
" MEMO
TO : Ridgecrest Road Residents
DATE : August 2 , 1978
RE : Nellie F . Chase Estate
As we proceed to settle the estate of Nellie F . Chase in regard to the
land west of Ridgecrest Road ( see enclosure ) , we are in the process of
examining its various usages and the options available to us .
Naturally we are seriously considering the land as a site for middle
income housing . Its accessibility to public utilities , the tall pines ,
its convenience to downtown Ithaca , Morse Chain , NCR , and Ithaca College
lead us to believe that it would be an attractive place to live .
Is In addition there has been keen interest in the land ' s potential as a
mobile home park . Once again , the features and convenience of the pro -
perty make this a viable alternative .
It has been suggested however , that a number of Ridgecrest Road home -
owners would like to purchase individual sections of the land for
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investment and recreational purposes .
® If you have any interest in acquiring a portion of the land , please
contact me as soon as possible .
I will be more than happy to discuss the matter at your convenience .
Thank you .
Sincerely ,
( sgd . ) Randy Chase "
Mr . Fabbroni stated that a mobile home park has never been dis -
cussed with the staff or member of the Town Board . He stated that to
zone a mobile home park in the Town of Ithaca would require a major
change in the Zoning Ordinance and a major change in the zoning map .
He stated that an owner can apply for any change he wishes , however ,
such a change would involve a minimum of six months of public hearings .
He stated that people in this area are very sensitive to the matter of
zoning in the area . Mr . Fabbroni stated that the subject matter of
tonight ' s meeting would have been the typical subdivision on fairly
large lots , as far as he knew .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner asked those present what type of development they
would approve of in the area .
® Mr . Gerry Grasso , 160 Ridgecrest Road , stated that the residents were
s basically concerned about the mobile home park . He stated that they are
not opposed to any kind of development , such as 4 or 5 lots with middle
income type houses . He stated that they are opposed to a mobile home
park of any size .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner stated that a mobile home park is not permitted
by the present zoning ordinance .
Mr . Roger Smith , 113 Ridgecrest Road , asked if there were any area ,
particularly in the south side , zoned for mobile homes , or in the pro -
posed ordinance revision .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner replied that it is not permitted under the pre -
sent zoning ordinance and has not been drawn on any map for the proposed
ordinance revision .
Mr . Bill Brown , 139 Ridgecrest Road , asked what the criteria are
for a variance .
Mr . Fabbroni replied that this would really be a rezoning and not a
variance . He noted that one of the many considerations would be the
compatibility of a mobile home park with the area .
Mr . Brown wondered what would be compatible with a mobile home park .
Mr . Fabbroni felt that it would certainly not be appropriate right next
door to a private home . He discussed single family zones , multi - family
Is zones and a mobile home park in terms of restrictiveness .
There followed a discussion of the " cluster " concept of subdivision
development .
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Mr . Gerry Grasso asked about zoning for apartments . The regulations
under the present ordinance were described .
Mr . Mark Brockway , 166 Ridgecrest Road , described the existence of
statutes that prohibit the discrimination against mobile home parks .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner commented that it is true that there isosuch __
prohibition to a certain extent , although there are some court cases to
the contrary .
Mr . Frank Sharp , 162 Ridgecrest Road , posed the question that
suppose area X , Y , and Z were under consideration for a mobile home
park , would there then be extensive impact study done ? Mr . Fabbroni
described the SEQR requirements .
Mr . Bill Brown stated that the rumour was flowing that there was
going to be a fairly large - sized mobile home park put in there . He
asked what the proposal is thatvlr . Chase . is putting forth .
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner stated that the Board does not have the proposal
before them tonight .
Mr . Fabbroni stated that he was of the opinion that the proposal
would be a typical subdivision for one - or two - family homes . He stated
that the Chases do not have enough information from the field work as to
rock , etc . He stated that any clearing has been to allow the study of
the topography .
Mrs . Jean Brockway , 166 Ridgecrest Road , stated that she talked to
Randy Chase and he is very interested in a mobile home park . She stated
that Mr . Chase has stated that he has " certain assurances " that a rezoning
would be no problem .
There followed a general discussion of zoning in the Town of Ithaca .
The matter was set aside awaiting further word from Mr . Lagrand
Chase .
ADJOURNMENT
Upon Motion , the Chair declared the September 5 , 1978 , meeting of
the Town of Ithaca Planning Board duly adjourned at 9 : 00 p . m .
Respectfully submitted ,
Nancy M . Fuller ,
Secretary .
TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD
A G E N D A
TUESDAY , SEPTEMBER 5 , 1978
7 : 30 P . M . Routine Business
Report of Building Inspector
Report of Town Engineer
Report of Planning Board Chairman
7 : 45 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING : Consideration of amendment to Phase I
approval previously granted for Eastwood Commons ,
Norbert Schickel , to include one additional building ,
Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel 6 - 60 . 1 - 1 - 45 .
8 : 15 P . M . Applications for Sign Permit - East Hill Plaza
8 : 30 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING : Preliminary Subdivision Hearing for
proposed subdivision on Ridgecrest Road , back - lot ,
Lagrand Chase , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel 6 - 45 - 1 - 2 . 2 .
9 : 00 P . M . Review and Discussion of those sections of the proposed
® Zoning Ordinance that have been completed by the Codes
and Ordinances Committee .
10 : 00 P . M . ADJOURNMENT
NOTE : IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD CANNOT ATTEND , PLEASE CONTACT
ME IMMEDIATELY AT 273 - 1721 .
Nancy M . Fuller
Secretary
AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING
® TOWN CLERK ' S OFFICE
ITHACA , N . Y,
I Edward L . Bergen being duly
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sworn , say that I am the Town Clerk of the Town of Ithaca , Tompkins
County , New York , that the following notice has been duly posted on
the sign board of the Town Clerk of the Town of Ithaca and that the
notice has been duly published in the local newspaper ; ( Ithaca Journal )
Notice of Public Hearings to be held by the Planning Board of the Town
of Ithaca on Tuesday , September 5 , 1978 , in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca
Street ( second floor ) , Ithaca , New York , commencing at 7 : 45 p . m . as per
attached Notice .
Location of sign board used for posting : Front Entrance to Town Hall
Date of Posting : August 29 , 1978
Date of Publication ; August 31 , 1978
Edwar-d� L . Bergen
Town Clerk
Town of Ithaca
State of New York
County of Tompkins SS .
Town of Ithaca
Sworn to before me this 1st day of September , 1978
NOTARY
GERTRUDE H: BERGEN
Notary Public, State of New York
No. 55-5278725
Qualified in Tompkins Co
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• TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING $OARD
NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS
TUESDAY , SEPTEMBER 5 , 197 $4
By direction of the Chairman of the Planning Board , NOTICE IS HEREBY
GIVEN that Public Hearings will be held by the Planning Board of the Town
of Ithaca on Tuesday , September 5 , 1978 , in Town Hall , 126 East Seneca
Street ( second floor ) , Ithaca , N . Y . , at the following times and on the
following matters :
7 : 45 P . M . Consideration of amendment to Phase I approval previously
granted for Eastwood Commons , Norbert Schickel , to include
one additional building , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel 6 - 60 . 1 - 1 - 45 .
8 : 30 P . M . Preliminary Subdivision Hearing for proposed subdivision on
Ridgecrest Road , back - lot , Lagrand Chase , Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel 6 - 45 - 1 - 2 . 2 .
Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all
persons in support of such matters or objections thereto . Persons may
appear by agent or in person .
Edward L . Bergen
Town Clerk
Town of Ithaca
Dated : August 29 , 1978
Publish : August 31 , 1978
+ Lt3 ITHACA JOURNAL Thursday, Aug. 31 , 191ks
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BOARD
f NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 5, 1978yy
4 - By direction of the-Chairman of I
' the Planning'-Board, NOTICE . IS
) NEREBY GIVEN that Public
Hearings will be held 6jrthe. Plan- I
, ning Board of the Town of I thaca on
Tuesday,: September,, 5, 1978, 1
Town Hall„ 126 'East Seneca�Street
( second floor ); Ithaca, N . Y :, at the iI
following times and on the follow-1
ing matters : - 1
7 :45 Consideration of amend- !
mentto io Phase lapproval preyious- !
ly granted ,•for Eastwood Com-.
mons, Norbert Schickel; to include
one additional building, Town of .
Ithaca Tax Parcel 6,-60: 1 -1 -45. -
8 : 30 P.M. Preliminary subdivision "
Hearing' for . proposed ;subdivision
on Ridgecrest Road, back-lot, La.
grand Chase, Town of Ithaca Tax
Parcel 6-45. 1 -2.2.
Said Planning Board will at said
times and said place hear all per-.
sons in support of such matters or
Iobiections thereto. Persons may :,
, appear by agent or in person. I
Edward L. Bergen .
Town Clerk.'
Town of Ithaca .
August 31 , 1978
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TOWN OF
126 EAST SENECA STREET
® ITHACA, NEW YORK
14850
July 27 , 1978
Mr . Evan Monkemeyer
123 East King Road
Ithaca , New York 14850
Re : Oak Ridge
Dear Mr . Monkemeyer :
Mrs . Bronfenbrenner has informed me that the Oak Ridge
cluster development will be placed on the agenda for the Septem
ber 5 Planning Board meeting .
In accordance with requirements discussed at the April 4 ,
1978 meeting of the Planning Board , the following will be re -
quired for further productive review of the Oak Ridge Cluster
Development :
( 1 ) Contour intervals of not more than 5 feet should
be shown by detailed survey .
( 2 ) Scale of maps presented shall be no smaller than
100 ' = 1 " ( 50 ' = 1 " would make the map less crowded
and more readable ) .
( 3 ) Layout of clusters should reflect the topography
and generally not be located in areas exceeding
10 % slope . Where terrain exceeds 10 % , detailed
drawings of present and proposed contours at 2 foot
intervals shall be presented for each building site .
` The need for retaining walls and storm sewers can
only be determined at this level of detail .
( 4 ) Plan , profile , and cross - sections of all road - sections
should be shown . Grades exceeding 7 % will require
check dams and erosion control ( e . g . concrete lines
or rip rap ) . Grades exceeding 10 % will require storm
sewers , catch basins , etc .
( 5 ) A complete drainage plan showing swales , gcross - sections ,
slopes , calculated flows ( with backup figures ) , and
d.ulvert types and sizes should be shown .
( 6 ) Sixty ( 60 ) foot right of way will be required- for
® all roads to be dedicated to the Town . Private roads
are not allowed for access by Town Law for other than
the rental units .
Mr. Evan Monkemeyer - 2 - July 27, 1978
(7) Plan and profile for all sewers serving the • sub-
division must be shown with the overall plan show-
ing existing size and location of sewers to be tied
into.
(:8) Waterline,. hydrants, valves, etc. should. be shown -
in plan in relation to sewers. Sizes, type, and
minimum depth of all utilities should be shown.
All waterlines should be looped.
(9) Cluster lots should be accurately shown as to
their- fixed final locations and number of units per
group. . Floating lots and -numbers .of units per group
.are not _acceptable, for-: approval.
(10) Generally cul-de-sacs shall be 40 feet in radius and - -
lesis than'*500 feet long; block longths less than 1, 500
feet long, curb radii--20 feet, road curvature greater
than 100. feet.
(11). Open space agreements and homeowners agreements must
be .presented for inspection and approval of the Plan-
ping Board, Town Attorney, and Town Board. No such
provisions for - ownership, maintenance, insurance, etc.
have been presented to date.
(12) Before any final approval of the .Planning Board of
the plans presented and modifications, they may by law
request, open space and homeowners agreements-must.. be.
f approved; Health.Department approval of. utility plans
, i „ must be presented-, ' and a map of surveyed lots and rights=-.
of-way, including street curvatures, tangent points,
permanent survey monuments to be placed, , must be pre-
sented. Also, any proposed easements must be referenced
on 'said survey map.
I trust -this list of requirements for documentation meets
your attorney' s requirements. If not, please call for further clari-
fication.
Sincerely,
Lawrence P. Fabbroni, P.E:
Town Engineer
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i. � cc: Liese -Bronfenbrenner
David B. Gersh _
'.�. - bcc Noel Desch _
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August 23 , 1978
® Mr . Noel Desch
Supervisor , Town of Ithaca
132 Updike Road
Ithaca , New York 14850
Dear Mr . Desch :
We , the residents of Ridgecrest Road in the Town of Ithaca , are concerned
about a recent. letter from Randy Chase regarding the development of the
Nellie F . Chase Estate . We have enclosed a copy of this letter from Mr .
Chase to the Ridgecrest Road residents and are concerned about the
development options included therein .
As of August . 22 , 1978 , they have proceeded to clear the Right of Way from
Ridgecrest Road to the property of Nellie F . Chase estate per attached map .
Although the options seem to be straight forward in . Mr . Chase ' s letter we
find that board members • seem to be unaware of any development plans in this
area .
We are not opposed to development and realize the Town is inevitably going
to grow, however , we feel that development can be done in such a way that
will not be devastating to property values and neighborhoods and be a
definite asset to the Town .
® We the undersigned thank you in advance , for the anticipated written
reply we know we can expect from you in this matter .
Very truly yours ,
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R . N . . Powers
C . Valentino
S . Raffensperger
G . Freeman
L . Bronfenbrenner , Chairman Planning Board
P . K . Fra.ncese , Chairman Zoning Board of Appeals
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Mr . Noel Desch
Supervisor , Town of Ithaca
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T0 : Ridgecrest Road Residents DATE : . August 2 , = 1978
14RE : Nellie ` Fe Chase Estate .
t As we proceed to settle the estate of Nelle : F . JChase in regard .
to the land west of Ridgecrest Road. ( see enclosure ) , we are in _.
the process of examining its various usages and the options
available to us .
Naturally we are seriously considering the land as a site for
middle income housing . Its accessibility to public utilities ;
the tall pines , its convenience to downtown Ithaca , Morse Chain , ` `
NCR , and _Ithaca College lead us to believe that - it would be an `-< .
attractive place to live .
In addition there has been keen interest in the land ' s '. potenial
as a mobile home park . Once again , the features and convenience . .
® of the property make this a viable alternative .
It has been suggested however , that a number of . Ridgec .rest. , Road
homeowners would like to purchase individual sections o`f " the
land for - i-nvestment - -and recreational- purposes .
If you have any interest in acquiring a portion of the land ,
please contact me as soon as possible .
I will be more than happy to discuss the matter at your con-
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Thank you .
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Randy Cha § e
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