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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 1978-02-07 TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1978 A regular meeting of the Town of Ithaca Planning Board was held on Tuesday, February 7, 1978, in the Town of Ithaca Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street (second floor) , Ithaca, New York, at 7 : 30 p.m. PRESENT: Chairman Liese Bronfenbrenner , Henry Aron, Bernard Stanton, Montgomery May, Jonathan Bradley, Carolyn Grigorov, Lawrence Fabbroni (Town Engineer) , Robert Bonnell (Assistant to the Engineer) . ALSO PRESENT: Town Councilman Gust Freeman, Mr . and Mrs . Thomas Bell, Henry Hilker, Willis Hilker, Al Becker, Evan Monkemeyer, Stewart Knowlton, Bill Pianki, Mary Norton, Joel Meltzer (WTKO) . Chairman Bronfenbrenner declared the Meeting open at 7 : 35 p.m. REPORT OF THE BUILDING INSPECTOR Mr . Fabbroni reported that in January permits were issued for one one-family home and two additions for a total of $66, 350. 00 of improvements as compared with one one-family home in January 1977 for a total of $37,000. 00. REPORT OF THE TOWN ENGINEER Mr. Fabbroni reported that our predominant project in the last month has been the taking of the sewer bids for the five sewer extensions. Mr . Fabbroni reported that the bids were some 53% over the engineers , estimate. Mr. Fabbroni stated that at this time we plan to rebid the project with some minor changes in the bid package to make it a lot cleaner and easier to bid. He stated that for example in connection with paving, materials and paving work will be shown as additional items so if the bids come in high it is easier to delete them from the work. He stated and the time- table they hope for is to have the bids go back out around the lst of March and come back with the bids around the lst of April . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he went through the final inspections on our flood damage this past weekend and the Town is hoping to get re- imbursement for somewhere around $35, 000. 00 from Federal Disaster Assistance . Mr . Fabbroni reported that we declared the Boynton Junior High School site a disaster area at the request of Mr. Backer, Superintendent, in hopes that the School District will get assistance under this same program as we did in the summer of 1976. Mr . Fabbroni reported that we are trying to move forward with the park program, but in view of what has happened with the school and the finances that we have had to come to grips with, we must re-look at the 10-year park plan. It appears that it will have to be scaled down and yet move ahead with some progress. Mr. Fabbroni stated that he will re-work that program with the park committee and that he was sure the Board will see it coming before them. Mr . Fabbroni reported that we are also in the process of revising the 1976 version of the proposed zoning ordinance and we may have isolated topics to discuss before the Board. He stated that the matter is in the hands of a committee comprised of Mrs. Bronfenbrenner, Peter Francese, Robert Powers and Victor DelRosso . He noted that there will be Planning Board -2- February 7, 1978 some revisions in the areas of energy. REPORT OF THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD REPRESENTATIVE Mrs. Bronfenbrenner reported that the Planning Board has no represen- tative at this point to the County Planning Board. Mrs. Bronfenbrenner stated that she will attend their meeting tomorrow night , however, she asked if anyone were interested in attending on a regular basis . There were no volunteers. REPORT OF THE PLANNING BOARD CHAIRMAN Mrs. Bronfenbrenner wished to bring to the attention of the Board a notice of the Association of Towns Meeting in New York City on February 20, 21 , and 22, 1978 . She noted that the Town will finance travel and expenses for one or two members of the Planning Board to go. Mrs. Bronfenbrenner asked that the members of the Board should let her know if they wish to go. Mrs . Bronfenbrenner noted that Mr . Fabbroni had mentioned the on- going work of the zoning ordinance revision committee. She stated that also in connection with this matter we will want to discuss the purpose and intent of the zoning ordinance. She stated that there have been some major changes in outlook, e. g. , energy, environmental quality. She asked the Board members to think about what they think the new zoning ordinance should serve. She noted that lot size has a lot to do with who can have a home or land and who cannot . T & M CONVENIENCE OF ITHACA, INC. PROPOSAL FOR ACCESSORY BUILDING AND ADDITIONAL SIGNS , 620 ELMIRA ROAD, TAX PARCEL 6-33-3-2 .4. Mr. Fabbroni indicated that the Planning Board had asked that Mr. Thomas Bell come to the Planning Board and discuss what he wants to do with the "ice box" located on his property. Mr. Bell appeared before the Board and stated that the "structure" was behind the building. He stated that there is no physical room inside the store to store ice, e. g. , on the 4th of July he sells between 4 , 000 and 5,000 lbs. of ice. Mr. Bell stated that it does look ugly, he admitted, but , he plans to skirt it in in the spring. Mr. Bell stated that the propane sign is down now and that they could also take off the block ice sign. He stated that they have all their own ice making equipment . Mr. Aron asked if the "ice box" will not still look like a discarded truck without the wheels? Mr. Bell replied that it will not -- it will look like an ice house like the one at Pete ' s . He stated that it is to their advantage to keep the premises looking nice and they want to have it look nice. Mr. Bell stated that the structure will be boxed in and the wheel holes will not show; it will be painted; they can also put shrubs around it . Mrs. Bronfenbrenner wondered if it would be possible to have a sign. Mr. Bell stated that a smaller sign that says "Ice" would be okay. The sign is now 30 sq. ft . on a 16 ' building; it is 14 ' over-sized. Mr. Bell passed around two 8"x10" pictures of the area. Mr. Bonnell noted that Mr. Bell is allowed to use the large free- standing sign as a changeable message sign. Mrs . Bronfenbrenner inquired about Health Department requirements Planning Board -3- February 7, 1978 as they might pertain to sale of ice. Mr. Bell stated that they have been met noting that the ice is all bagged and properly stored. Mr. May stated that he would recommend that an application for a permit for a 16 sq. ft . sign be submitted. MOTION by Mr. Montgomery May, seconded by Mr. Bernard Stanton : RESOLVED, that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca recommend and hereby does recommend to the Town Board approval of an accessory building for T & M Convenience of Ithaca, Inc . , Town of Ithaca Tax Parcel No. 6-33-3-2 .4, 620 Elmira Road, with the modifications and improvements described to said Planning Board, this date, by Mr. Thomas Bell , being skirting, painting and shrubbery . There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote. Aye - Bronfenbrenner, Aron, Stanton, May, Bradley, Grigorov. Nay - None. The Chair declared the MOTION to be carried unanimously. PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SIGNS BY E. MONKEMEYER, DANBY ROAD, TAX PARCELS 6-42-1-20 AND 6-43-1-3. 2 . It being 8 :00 p.m. and Mr. Monkemeyer had not yet arrived, the Board members agreed to commence discussion with Mr. Al Becker, scheduled next on the Agenda. PRELIMINARY INFORMATION MEETING FOR COMMERCIAL REZONING AT ROUTE 13 AND ROUTE 13A FROM RESIDENTIAL-30 TO BUSINESS C FOR A COMMERCIAL BUILDING COMPLEX, 601 ELMIRA ROAD, TAX PARCEL 6-35-1-25 .2 . Mr. Al Becker appeared before the Board to discuss the possibility of a rezoning from R-30 to Business C a parcel with a 470 ' boundary at 601-603 Elmira Road. He stated that at this time the proposal involves the development of one building, later being expanded out to a larger building. The proposal involves 1 , 728 sq. ft . of space. Mr . Becker stated that Mr. Fabbroni has the plans and he had another set with him. He stated that the purpose of the building and the whole development is based around a sports retail complex. He stated that he is opening a store of 900 sq. ft . not at this location. He noted that the building is constructed of masonry. Mr. Becker stated that the site plan is somewhat changed from what was discussed with Mr. Fabbroni due to discussions with a neighbor. He stated that the Beaujolais Restaurant is right across the street . He stated that the building has been moved 180 ' northerly from the site plan presented because of the neighbor next door. The building is 77 ' from the road right of way . Mr. Becker stated that the residents of "Old Hundred" and Mr. Turco have no opposition. He stated that Mr. Loran Marion has been contacted. He stated that Mrs . Constance Cook will not help but will not fight it in court ; she owns property in direct view of this. He stated that Mr . Thomas Bell has no opposition. He said that Mr. Mancini is not particularly concerned. Planning Board -4- February 7, 1978 Mr. Becker stated that the traffic patterns have been discussed. He said that he talked with Mr. Yonkin of the New York State Department of Transportation about traffic patterns. He stated that ingress and egress were discussed. He stated that signs were discussed. Mr. Becker stated that he would request a rezoning back 350 ' from the right of way. Mr. Becker stated that there is a potential development of up to three buildings. He stated that he is proposing a fishing and tackle business and is an expert in the field. Mr. Becker described the area noting the existence of the Brink agricultural business, the Mancini land, Cortright Electric, the Motels , McGuire Gardens , Salino Electric, and the Union Hall . Mrs. Bronfenbrenner stated that she was curious about a fishing tackle business in that location. Mr. Becker cited some statistics showing that between 250 to 500 individuals operating for the entire year for a season that commences April 1st and ends December lst right in the heart of the Finger Lakes. Mr. Stanton stated that he took it that this proposal has not been laid out . Mr. Fabbroni stated that that was true and added that the questions tonight are to give Mr. Becker some more direction . Mr . Aron stated that he would like to see a site plan indicating, among other things, access and egress, boundary of lands, location of other buildings, and some indication of how many people will be served. There being no further discussion, the matter was set aside. PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT SIGNS BY E. MONKEMEYER, DANBY ROAD, TAX PARCELS 6-42-1-20 AND 6-43-1-3.2 . Mr. Evan Monkemeyer presented three applications for sign permit as follows : 1 . The Hayloft Art Studios The request was for a 5. 5 sq. ft . sign, 30" x 24" , reading "The Hayloft Art Studios , Rental Information, 272-3813" . The requested sign is to be located in an R9 zone. It was the consensus of the Planning Board that this matter should go to the Zoning Board of Appeals . 2. Oak Ridge The request was for a 72 sq. ft . sign, 6 ' x 121 , reading "Skyrise Associates Present Oak Ridge, Secluded Convenience on a Prime South Hill Location, Lots and Homes for sale or lease, For Information Call : Evan N. Monkemeyer, (607) 272-3813, Brokers Welcome" Mr. Monkemeyer stated that this will be a logo-type sign and it is to be located on New York State Highway 96B (Danby Road) . Planning Board -5- February 7, 1978 It was noted that the Sign Ordinance limits the size of the sign to 50 sq. ft . and permits two such signs. Mr. Fabbroni pointed out for clarification that for signs in commercial areas the Town Board has made itself the varying authority; the Zoning Board of Appeals acts only on signs in residential areas . He pointed out that this area under discussion is presently zoned residential. MOTION by Mr. Henry Aron, seconded by Mr. Bernard Stanton : RESOLVED, that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca cannot give approval for the proposed Oak Ridge sign measuring 72 sq. ft . presented by Mr. Evan Monkemeyer, within the Sign Ordinance, and further RESOLVED, that the Planning Board is of the opinion that the design and appearance of the proposed sign are a welcome sight . There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote. Aye - Bronfenbrenner, Aron , Stanton, May, Bradley, Grigorov. Nay - None. The Chair declared the MOTION to be carried unanimously . 3. South Mountain Center Mr. Monkemeyer presented an application for sign permit for a 128 sq. ft . sign, 8 ' x 161 , reading "Skyrise Associates Presents South Moun- tain Center, A New Concept of Sophisticated Offices , Business and Shopping Areas in a Leisurely Campus Setting, For Information Call : Evan N. Monkemeyer, 607 272-3813 , Brokers Welcome, Work Where You' d Like to Live. . . . " . It was noted that this sign is proposed for a commercial zone where also 50 sq. ft. of signage is allowed and that the problem is basically the same -- the Planning Board cannot act on over-sized signs and in commercial zones must make a recommendation to the Town Board. The Board questioned the large size of the sign and discussion followed on the speed of the highway, set back, size of parcel , etc. The matter of a variance from the Town Board was discussed. MOTION by Mrs . Liese Bronfenbrenner, seconded by Mr. Montgomery May : RESOLVED, that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca cannot approve the proposed sign for the South Mountain Center as presented by Mr. Evan Monkemeyer because it does not comply with the Sign Ordinance, being 128 sq. ft . in size, and, further RESOLVED, that Mr. Monkemeyer be and hereby is urged to reduce the size of the proposed sign, or, apply for a variance through the Town Board, and further RESOLVED, that the Planning Board approves of the design for such sign denoting the South Mountain Center. There being no further discussion, the Chair called for a vote. Aye - Bronfenbrenner, Aron , Stanton , May, Bradley, Grigorov. Nay - None. Planning Board -6- February 7, 1978 The Chair declared the MOTION to be carried unanimously. PRELIMINARY SUBDIVISION MEETING FOR 3-LOT SUBDIVISION PROPOSED AT THE CORNER OF SLATERVILLE AND BURNS ROADS , TAX PARCEL 6-56-4-1 . 2 . Mr. Fabbroni stated that Mr. Nusbaum lives in New Jersey and so he will present the matter in the form of a preliminary informational meeting to the Board. Mr . Fabbroni stated that Mr . Nusbaum is looking for the feeling of this Board toward his proposal for a 3-lot subdivision of land which would result in there being 4 lots . Mr . Fabbroni noted that there is proposed an entrance opening on to Route 79 (Slaterville Road) . Mr. Fabbroni noted that the parcel is located in an R-15 zone. Two of the proposed lots are of approximately 125 ' frontage by a depth of approximately 149 ' and, therefore, meet the lot size requirements of an R-15 zone. The remaining lot fronting on Slaterville Road contains approximately 1 . 77 acres and the fourth lot , backlot , would contain approximately 21 acres. Mr. Fabbroni stated that he is not sure that the Health Department would approve in view of their new requirements in re lot size. He noted that there is water service but no sewer. Mrs . Bronfenbrenner stated that Mr. Nusbaum should not go on with his planning until he knows what direction the Health Department will take. Mr. Fabbroni suggested that a letter be written to Mr. Nusbaum from the Board indicating that no further action can be taken by the Planning Board until it has further information from the Health Department . Mr. Fabbroni referred to the proposed sewer extension on Slaterville Road, and pointed out that it would be roughly 7.00' from the proposed sewer line to the farthest lot . He also noted that the proposed sewer extension calls for a pump station down on Burns Road. Burns Road forms the side lot line of this land. Mr . Fabbroni also noted that the entire parcel contains an excess of 24 acres. Mr. Fabbroni read Mr. Nusbaum' s letter of January 20, 1978 , to him as follows : "Thank you for your help this past week in regard to preparing an application for approval of building lots . Enclosed is a rough sketch, as you suggested, of the proposed lots . I have designated them as A and B. The total frontage of the two is approximately 250+ feet to be divided equally; the depth will be in keeping with a continuous backline for a lot surveyed and to be sold approximately 184 feet from the center of Route 79. I am enclosing a copy of that lot drawing. As there is a water line serving these lots it is my understanding that they qualify for approval by the Town. Preliminary approval will be appreciated as the Health Department has indicated it is not possible Planning Board -7- February 7, 1978 to complete percolation tests at this time. r' If there is more detailed information available concerning the construction of a sewer line to serve this area I would appreciate that as I understand its construction would obviate the need for a septic system. Thank you again for your assistance. Very truly yours, ( sgd. ) Sidney R. Nusbaum" Mr. Fabbroni suggested that the Board could respond to him that in general the Board would have no problem with the subdivision as he is proposing , but the Board would rather have some more information from the Health Department with regard to minimum size lots before the Board passes any kind of judgment upon this proposal . The members of the Planning Board agreed that this course of action would be appropriate. NON-AGENDA ITEM: WILLIS HILKER. Mr. Willis Hilker appeared before the Board and noted that he was not on the Agenda, but asked if he may speak to the Board and ask a few questions. The Board agreed to speak with Mr. Hilker. Mr . Hilker stated that he had some questions with regard to the Northview Road West Subdivision. He noted that he had received approval for 11 lots in 1974, and that he is concerned about the area held in reserve above the subdivision that had been proposed for a secondary project entrance coming around from the old water tower road. Mr . Hilker stated that he has come to a dead-end. He stated that he would like to request a cul de sac at his dead-end. He stated that he will dispose of land to Ithaca College and swap some land with them which would then go on the tax rolls. Mr. Stanton asked how people turn around now? Mr. Hilker stated that a "T" turnaround was approved by the Town Board, but the Post Office would not allow a "T" turnaround. He stated that he has built a sort of turnaround. Mr. Hilker stated that he will propose five lots, all but one being bigger than the general run of the rest , for example, 18, 100 sq. ft . which is the smallest one. Mr . Hilker commented that in the present subdivision he has three smaller than that. Mr. Hilker stated that the proposed frontages will run from 60 ' to 93 ' . He said it will be a 120 ' cul de sac. He noted that this is a lot better than what he has now. Mr . Fabbroni stated that the biggest question is drainage and it must be shown. Mr . Hilker stated that he will supply appropriate drainage plans all plotted out . Mr. Hilker thanked the Board members for their help. Planning Board -8- February 7, 1978 NON-AGENDA ITEM: STEWART KNOWLTON, EAST HILL PLAZA. Mr. Stewart Knowlton appeared before the Board, noting that he is not on the Agenda, and stating that he very much appreciated the Board speaking with him. Mr. Knowlton stated that he has applied for a Building Permit for his latest project , a gas facility, at East Hill Plaza. Mr. Knowlton distributed pictures to the Board members . Mr. Knowlton said that he had been placed in a difficult situation. Mrs. Bronfenbrenner stated that the Board does not wish to discuss this until Mr. Knowlton comes up with an overall plan for the area. She asked, what if the owner of the Business "D" corner wants a gas station? Mr. Knowlton stated that he was not asking the Board to deny him. He said that he was asking the same privilege that the Board is giving to the corner where for eight years nothing has been built upon. Mr. Knowlton stated that a gas facility is needed there. Mrs. Bronfenbrenner, referring to the December 12, 1977, Planning Board meeting, stated that the idea at that time was that the Board would wait until Mr. Goldfarb came in with his plan, which he has not . Mr. Aron stated that Mr. Goldfarb has not come in for a Building Permit to build a gas station there; he has not come to this Board asking for a gas station. Mr. Aron stated that this proposal is not on a bad corner; he has enough traffic in his own property - they are already in the shopping center. Mr. Aron felt there was no additional traffic hazard. Mr. Aron stated that he could not understand why the hesitation if everything is conforming with the specifications needed. Mr. Aron reiterated that Mr. Goldfard has not come here -- Mr. Knowlton has come in twice. Mr. Aron stated that as a Board member, he wanted to see whoever applies , and, if it is within the limits of the Board' s accep- tance , we should see it . Mr. May stated that it seemed to be a rather impractical location judging from all the denials over the years with the Business D zone. Mr. Knowlton stated that he heard what the Board was saying and he agreed. Mrs. Bronfenbrenner suggested improvements in traffic patterns. Mr. Knowlton stated that they will do anything the Board wants them to do . He noted that there is ample parking and greenery. Mrs. Bronfenbrenner stated that we have handled the rezoning from Business C to D so that a gas station is permitted. Mr. Bradley stated that he thought this whole thing is ridiculous, noting that Mr. Knowlton is here. He stated that Mr. Knowlton has asked for a rezoning for a gas self-service station. He said that he did not see why the other corner has anything to do with this . stated Mr. Fabbroni/that a condition of rezoning could be for limited service only. Mr. Fabbroni commented that there has to be some way to speed up the process of the Town Board acting upon recommendations of the Planning Board in order to do away with the month 's delay before a public hearing can be held. Mr. Knowlton stated that he did have a public hearing. Planning Board -9- February 7, 1978 At this point , Chairman Bronfenbrenner called for a straw vote by the Board on its position on this matter. All six members present indicated their approval of hearing the proposal for a self-service gas station made by Mr. Stewart Knowlton , representing Groff Associates , owners of the East Hill Plaza. Mr. Knowlton thanked the Board for their time. NEXT MEETING - FEBRUARY 28, 1979 . It was agreed by the Board that the next meeting of the Planning Board would be February 28, 1979, since some members will be attending the Association of Towns Meeting in New York City. The agenda will probably include Mr. Hilker, Mr. Knowlton, and Mr. Becker. ADJOURNMENT Upon Motion, the Chair declared the meeting duly adjourned at 10 :00 P.M. Respectfully submitted, Nancy M. Fuller, Secretary. A G E N D A TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD TUESDAY, FEBRUARY 7, 1978 7 : 30 P.M. Routine Business Report of Building Inspector Report of Town Engineer Report of County Planning Board Representative Report of Planning Board Chairman 7:45 P.M. T & M Convenience of • Ithaca, Inc. Proposal for Accessory Building and Additional Signs, 620 Elmira Road, Tax Parcel 6-33-3-2.4. 8 :05 P.M. Proposed Development Signs by E. Monkemeyer, Danby Road, Tax Parcels 6-42-1-20 and 6-43-1-3. 2. 8 : 15 P. M. Preliminary Information Meeting for Commercial Rezoning at Route 13 and Route 13A from Residential_ 30 to Business C for a Commercial Building Complex, 601 Elmira Road, Tax Parcel 6-35-1-25.2. 8:45 P.M. Preliminary Subdivision Meeting for 3-Lot Subdivi- sion Proposed at the Corner of Slaterville and Burns Roads, Tax Parcel 6-56-4-1. 2. 9:00 P.M. Report of Sign Ordinance Committee 9: 30 P.M. ADJOURNMENT Nancy M. Fuller Secretary NOTE: IF ANY MEMBER OF THE PLANNING BOARD CANNOT ATTEND, PLEASE CALL ME IMMEDIATELY AT 273-1721 . 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