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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 1975-07-01 1� TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD JULY 1 , 1975 • The Town of Ithaca Planning Board met on Tuesday , July 1 , 1975 , at 7 : 30 p . m . in the Town of Ithaca Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street , Ithaca , New York , PRESENT : Chairwoman Barbara Holcomb , Robert Scannell , Daniel Baker , Maurice Harris , Robert Christianson , Liese Bronfenbrenner , Lawrence Fabbroni ( Planning Engineer/Building Inspector ) , Reynolds Matz (Assistant Building Inspector ) , Susan Blumenthal ( Planning Student- .- John tuden•i: :John McQueen ( Law Student ) . ALSO PRESENT : D . H . Wallace , 790 N . Triphammer Rd . , Letty Reeder ; 709 Mitchell St . , Lois Richards , 45 Main St . , Spencer ; Alfred Eddy , P. . D . # 5 ; Bob Wright , R . D . # 41 Cortland . The Meeting was opened by the Chairwoman at 7 : 35 p . m . REPORT OF BUILDING INSPECTOR Mr . Metz reported that there were 11 building permits issued in the month of June , 1975 . Five of the permits were for single family units which is keeping up with the previous year . The Town of Ithaca is not in as bad a slump as the nation as far as construction goes . Mr . Metz reported that the sign inventory is still going on and that he is making a list of all signs that are up and those that appear to be violations of the Sign Ordinance , Mrs . Holcomb commented that all signs that were allowed by variance cannot be revoked . REPORT OF PLANNING ENGINEER Mr . Fabbroni reported that the improvement of Williams Glen Road on West Hill will be underway in a month . With reference to the five sewer extensions , Mr . Fabbroni reported that the Town is now reviewing and working on final plans wi. �h Lozier Consulting Engineers in hopes of August -submittal to City and D . E . C . Mr . Fabbroni stated that we hope to let bids in the beginning of September , Mr . Fabbroni reported that there have been some drainage problems in the Eastern Heights and Northeast sections of the Town because of the rains that we have been having . He further noted that preliminary action has been undertaken against a developer on South Hill who is in violation . He reported that the Bolton Point transmission line has been laid almost entirely through Forest Home Drive . ?UBLIC HEARING : CONSIDERATION OF DAY CAMPGROUND ON CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS PROPERTY AT 272 ENFIELD FALLS ROAD ( PARCEL NO . 6 - 34 - 1 - 3 ) . The Chair declared the Public Hearing in the above-named matter duly opened at 7 : 50 p . m . Mrs . Holcomb presented the Clerk ' s Affidavit of Posting and Publication of said Public Hearing for the record . Mr . :•Jal. lace , Mrs . Reeder and Mrs . Richards were present as repre ,entatives, e% f the Church . Mr . Wallace stated that the Camp , which is run under "coo auspices of the " Mormon " Church , takes girls from Binghamton , -" bany , Cortland , Syracuse , Hornell and Watertown . There are about 80 girls aho attend this camp yearly for a one-week period . It is non- 0. with an all -volunteer labor force . The Camp actually runs for Town of Ithaca Planning Board - 2 - July 1 , 1975 only, five days and 80 is the usual number including the leaders . The campers stay in tents overnight . • Mrs ._ Holcomb noted one particular problem - the Camp is located ir. an R- 30 residence district and there is no provision in the Zoning Ordinance for camps . There is provision , however , in the Zoning Ordinance for public park , playground , public library , public museum , nursery school . She. stated that it is in a sense a parochial school perhaps . Mr . Christianson stated that what the Board needs to know is . how to interpret the Camp . Mr . Scannell stated that it was his opinion that the intent of the Zoning Ordinance is that the Camp would fit inti this category of public park and playground , public library , public museum , nursery school , etc . , as noted by Mrs . Holcomb . Mr . Harris asked what facilities are available such as water and sawage ? Mrs . Richards stated that they have a well -- nothing very fancy . They have not constructed any facilities -- it is a wilderness camp , off Route 327 and borders Enfield Falls State Park , Mrs . Holcomb asked how large the parcel of land is that is owned by the Church . Mr . Wallace stated that it is about 50 acres . Mr . Christianson asked if they have ever let this Camp out to other groups . lvlr . Wallace said that they did not . He further stated that Mrs . Richards has gone there from time to time overnight to train the leaders . The Camp runs from Tuesday through Saturday . • Mrs . Bronfenbrenner asked how they get there . Mr . Wallace said by private automobile . Mrs . Bronfenbrenner asked if there is parking for that many cars . Mr . Wallace said that there was , but they do not have the cars at the camp site anyway . The nurse has a car there , plus Mrs . Richards and one other lady . The cars are parked in the parking area of the camp . Fir . Wallace noted also that they have permission from Robert Treman State Park to go swimming . Mrs . Richards stated that they have a period of training for the girls over a four year period such as camping , first aid , safety , etc . It is a learning experience as well as fun . They serve from 60 to 80 girls . They have religious classes every day . They have camp fires in the evening with songs and they also have a Bishop come in overnight . Mrs . Mrs . Richards said that the camp manual has been given to Mr . Cartee of the Tompkins County Health Department , Mr . Cartee has asked that they have portable latrines . She, stated that they are not happy with this requirement because they are so obvious and part of the girls ' training has been to enable them to take care of themselves in a wilderness situation , Mrs . Holcomb asked the following questions ° 1 . Is there general agreement that this use is within the confines of the intent of the R- 30 requirements . The Board agreed that it is . 2 . Any building will have to be done under the zoning ordinance . Agreed . V -, I Health Department p rtment approval must come before this Board can grant approval . Mr . Christianson commented at this point that he holieved that this is a private use of a p�.ece of ground -- it is confined to the group that owns it for a vx�!ry short time of the I Town of Ithaca Planning Board - 3 - July 1 , 1975 year , MOTION by Mrs . Barbara Holcomb , seconded by Mr . Robert Scannell . RESOLVED , that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca give and Izareby does give approval to the use of the property at 272 Enfield Falls Road ( Parcel No . 6 - 34 - 1 - 3 ) , owned by the Church of Jesus Christ Latter-Day Saints , for a camp five days in length , conditional u.noa I.- he receipt of Tompkins County Health Department approval for sanitary facilities . If there are any structures to be built in the future asite plan of the property must be presented to the Planning Board fn . approval . By way of discussion , Mrs . Bronfenbrenner asked how do the neigh- bors feel ? Mr . Metz stated that he has not heard any one of the ne .r; 3 bons comment on the camp one way or another . There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vota . Aye - Holcomb , Scannell , Baker , Harris , Christianson , Bronfenbrenner . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . Mrs . Holcomb asked Mr . Wallace to have Mr . Cartee forward a copy _ • of the Health Department approval to her . The Public Hearing was duly closed at 8 . 14 p . m . PUBLIC HEARING . CONSIDERATION OF SITE PLAN FOR PROPOSED NEW OFFICE BUILDING FOR MADISON ELECTRIC INC . ON THEIR PROPERTY IN A LIGHT INDUSTRIAL DISTRICT OFF FIVE MILE DRIVE ( PARCEL NO . 6 - 31 - 2 - 30 ) . The Chair glared the Public Hearingin the above -rained matter duly opened at 8 . 15 p . m . Nrs . Holcomb presented the Clerk ' s Affidavit of Posting and Publication of said Public Hearing for the record . Mr . Fabbroni stated that this request involves back land which i ^ 10and locked , and runs along the old Knights Meat Market Road which runs up to Five Mile Drive , Mr . Fabbroni presented the site plan as it was r2rak :n on the back of the application for building permit . There followy. ,a a discussion of the tax map and the property . The flood control �1.- annel and several easements are involved . Mr . Fabbroni stated that 1 ro- is an existing larger building and they want to put in an office building connected to the existing larger building . Mr . Scannell asked if there are going to be people coming th�.re and Going in and out , and how Madison Electric is planning to use the ilech' ng . He further commented that he thought as a site plan .h s arasix?g on the back of the application for building permit- is very Za .^. J : a. :�r• , rle said that he would like to see contour lines , drainage , LL u R Holcomb read from Article VIII , Light Industrial Districts , t ,lt ! cn paragraphs 1 , 2 , 3 and 4 , and Section 45 , paragraphs 1 , 2 , Tn connection with Section 45 , paragraph 5 , having to do with ' ' '� ' ra . c.%fas , Mr . Fabbroni commented that there is the Glen right there . . • f3 Town of Ithaca Planning Board - 4 - July 1 , 1975 Mr . Baker commented that he agreed with Mrs . Holcomb that the Board should see a more complete plan . He noted that they are definite '.i located in the Flood Plain , Mr . Fabbroni stated that he has inspected the property and it is suitable for that building . Mr . Harris asked what the access is to this property? Mr . Fabbroni stated that there is a 20 ' road which is the one to the old Knights Slaughter House , no longer in existence . Mr . McQueen commented that the road can become a public highway only if there is a combination of public use plus the Town maintaining it - - then it can become a public highway after a certain time , Mrs . Holcomb noted five problems with this request . 10 Parking area needs to be defined . 2 . Distances of the buildings from the lot lines need to be clarified , 3 . The status of the road to Five Mile Drive and clarification of sawn. needs to be obtained . 4 . Is it in the flood plain ? 5 . Contours and drainage need to be indicated - - Mr . Fabbroni has checked them out by observation , Mr . Christianson had another question - - how do they intend to identify the office and what kind of sign would he have ? Mr . Fabbroni stated that the sign is a separate question and he might need a vari - ance . He further noted that it is clear that he will have sufficient parking on the lot to service his customers . He cannot have people out on the street . Mrs . Holcomb asked if he is planning to blacktop the parking area . Mr . Fabbroni stated that he doubted it . Mrs . Holcomb noted that blacktopping is a requirement - - or concrete or other solid material . Mrs . Holcomb asked for direction from the Board as to where to go now , since Mr . Madison had not appeared for this meeting . She said that she felt that there are a lot of unanswered questions . Mr . Scannell stated that he is very willing to accept Mr . Fabbroni ° s opinions # but that he thought as a matter of policy , the Board should have more on record . Mr . Christianson said that he has no objection to the proposal but it is a very simple matter this time and perhaps the next one would not be so simple and so we should have more on record for future cases . Mrs . Holcomb suggested that the Board table this matter until the . next meeting of the Planning Board , August 5 , 1975 , at which time the Hoard can ask Mr . Madison specific questions . Mr . Harris agreed , and stated that the matter should be tabled until the August meeting where , among others , it should be asked the following - - number of employees , whether or not it is a commercial store , and existence of any signs , MOTION by Mrs . Barbara Holcomb , seconded by Mrs . Liese BronfenP brennere RESOLVED , that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca defer and hereby does defer consideration of the request by Madison Electric Inc . a ;�,rorposed new office building to the first meeting in August , 1975 , : rid , Further , that the Planning Board request Madison Electric Inc . to r :. _ply answiers to the following questions : [ ati: e will the parking area be , its size and will it be blacktopped ? ', `.; : an : CSS of buildings from lot lines ? � , !: atus of the access road 'to Five Mile Drive ? Town of Ithaca Planning Board - 5 - July 1 , 1975 4 . Scope of the operation , number of employees , will it be a commer- • cial operation with many customers ? 5 . Location of signs ? There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Holcomb , Scannell , Baker , Harris , Christianson , Bronfenbrenner . Nay - None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . The Public Hearing was adjourned until August 5 , 1975 , at 7045 CONSIDERATION OF FINAL APPROVAL FOR EDDY HILL SUBDIVISION . Mrs . Holcomb stated that the Board now has available a sur . ay u . the 8 acre parcel and the map of the general area . There are a coi:jale of computation errors - - 15 acres is the correct number for one parcel and not 1 . 5 acres and one lot line measurement should be 517 . 24 and not 844 . 39 . Mrs . Holcomb reported on some comments from the Town Attorney , M. . Buyoucos , 1 . That Mr . Eddy should indicate on the map that he files with the County Clerk that the 661 wide strip on the western edge of the . 15 acre parcel should be designated as a future read . 2 . That on Parcel # III , 26 acres , a provision be made on the plan that is filed with the County Clerk as a Subdivision Map to indi - cate that a road right of way and utilities easements are to be located before this land is subdivided further . x. MOTION by Mrs . Barbara Holcomb , seconded by Mr . Daniel Baker . RESOLVED , that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca give and hereby does give , conditional final approval to the Subdivision of the Eddy Hill land on Mecklenburg Road ( Parcel No . 6 - 28 - 1 ® 26 . 2 ) as defined on the map presented to said Planning Board on July 1 , 1975 , and being a division of the original parcel into four ( 4 ) parcels , one parcel of 15 acres more or less , one parcel of 26 acres more or less , erne parcel of 8 acres more or less , and the fourth parcel to contain the remaining portion of the original parcel . The condition attached to this approval is the submission by Eddy Kill Farms of a map suitable for filing with the County Clerk which . hill be stamped approved by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca ala shall contain the notation that it is understood that there will De ,.,Ovided road and utility easements across Parcel III to service Parcel JV if needed . The location of the road and utility easements hall be determined prior to any further transaction concerning Prcel IT 'S Ly way of discussion , Mr . Fabbroni suggested strongly that the " �. sentence of the foregoing Motion should be amended to red . " The Of the road and utility easements shall be determined prior ' :o C � fur '- her partitioning of Parcel III . " The Chair asked if the seconder accepts the suggested amendment . '" oum of Ithaca Planning Board - 6 - July 1 , 1975 11r . Baker agreed , There being no further discussion , the Motion was put to a vote as amended . . Aye - Holcomb , Scannell , Baker , Harris , Christianson , Bronfenbrenner . Nay - None . The MOTION , as amended , was declared to be carried unanimously . Mrs . Holcomb requested that Mr . Eddy contact the Tompkins Count: • Assessment Department and have assessment numbers assigned to all fou;: parcels . Mr . Eddy agreed . ADJOURNMENT . Upon Motion , the Meeting was adjourned by the Chair at 9 : 40 p . m . Respectfully submitted , Nancy M . Fuller , Secretary , 9 7F Ma z � . Q R rL = Na 0 W O (o81 F— 7 . L51 ' 1 to Oo ' rV P6RCE .o �1 Real �L 1156V4 ' 49+c3CRES U , _ w 60 331(0 . 10" (p ' t ' l Legal Notice NOTICE TOBIDDERS Tow - T n Board of the Town of Ulysses w' t Tuesday evening, July 8th, 1 ) P.M. to receive bids on a one spick up truck. Specifications may be picked up at the Town Clerks of- fice. The board reserves the right to reject any or all bids. BY order of the Town Board. AliceB, COnover Ci Doted: June 20, 1975 Clerk June 26, 1975 as The Town Board of the Town of rc- Ulysses will hold a Public Hearing at ce the Town Office building, 10ElmStreel, 'e- Trumansburg, New York, Tuesday es evening, Juty 8th, 1975 at 7 :30 p.m. to , he hear the request of Danny Robinson, for rid an addition to a planned Development Area on the Swamp College Road. on ByyOrder Of the Town Board ok. 3 Alice B. Conover, ce Dated June 18, 1975 Clerk ie June26, 1975 se at n- TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING n- NOTICEOFPUBLICHEARINGS .I5 JULY 10 1975 of Planning Board, NOTICE I ectionbr S HEREBY a- GIVEN that Public Hearings will be ie heldbythePlanning BoardonTuesday, . Q July ,], 1975, in the Town Hall; 126 East 'Is . Seneca Street (second floor), Ithaca, v New York, at the following firms and on �5 the following matters : le 7:45 P.M. Consideration of Day Camp pV01 in ground on the Church of the Latter-Day pian Saints property ,at 272 Enfield Falls CHnh S Road ( Parcel No. 6.34-1-3). N 8: 15 P.M. Consideration of site plan for juste a proposed new office building for for i Madison Electric Incorporated on their and property In a Light Industrial District Tenth off Five Mlle Drive ( Parcel No. ' 6.31-2.30) . ' A Sold Planning Board will at Sold BOT: if 91*A�nd said place hear all Persons in plias n `t of Suchmattersor oblectlons tome I Persons may appear by aerson. gent offer f E dward L Bergen CHIn Town Clerk Grog day, + Dated : June 24, 1975 Town of Ithaca able Publish : June 26, 1975 _- CHL Gre Sou' A G E N D A TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD JULY 11 1975 7 : 30 P . M . 7 : 30 P , M . Routine Business Report of Building Inspector Report of Planning Engineer Report of County Planning Board 7 : 45 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING : Consideration of Day Campground * ` on the Church of the Latter -Day Saints property a&L—,X at 272 Enfield Falls Road ( Parcel No . 6 - 34 - 1 - 3 ) . 8 : 15 P . M . PUBLIC HEARING : Consideration of site plan for a proposed new office building for Madison • Electric Incorporated on their property in a Light Industrial District off Five Mile Drive ( Parcel No . 6 - 31 - 2 - 30 ) . - 9 : 0 0 P . M . NOTE : IF ANY MEMBERS OF THE. PLANNING BOARD CANNOT ATTEND , PLEASE CALL ME IMMEDIATELY AT 273 - 1721 . Nancy M . Fuller Secretary AFFIDAVIT OF POSTING • TOWN CLERK ' S OFFICE ITHACA , No Y, I � Edward L . Bergen ben duly --- 9 8 y sworn , ,say that I am the Town Clerk of the Town of Ithaca , Tompkins County , New York , that the following notice has been duly posted on the sign board of the Town Clerk of the Town of Ithaca and that the notice has been duly published in the local newspapers ( Ithaca Journal ) Notice of Public Hearings , July 1 , 1975 , at Town Offices : 7 : 45 p . m . Consideration of Day Campground on the Church of nprgpegty a, 272,_Enf field Falls Road Parcel No 6 - 34 - 1 - 3 ) and 8 : 15 p . m . Consideration of ' site plan for a proposed new off ; no% • hii- i 1 .� a fnr Liad i sgn E 1 eC r i n Incorporated .o`n their pyo petty in a Light Industrial Distrive off Five Mile Drive ( Parcel No . ' 6= 31 - 2 - 30 ) . Location of sign board used for posting; Entrance . to Town Offices 126 E . Seneca Street , Ithaca , N . Y . Date of Posting : June 24 , 1975 Date of Publication ; June 26 , 1975 Edward` Li, Bergen Town Clerk Town of Ithaca State of New York County of Tompkins We Town of Ithaca Sworn to before me this 30th day of June a 1975 NOTARY GERTRUDE H. BERGEN Notary Public, itiew York No. 5.;- 5278725 qualified in Tompkins COLI Term Expires Marcli .3() , �� TOWN , OF ITHACA PLANNING BOAD NOTICE.OF PUBLIC HEARINGS JULY1 , 1975 ' By direction bf the Chalrwomonof the Planning Board, NOTICE IS HEREBY !. GIVEN that Public Hearings will be held by the Planning Board on Tuesday, ' July 1 , 1975, In the Town Hall, 126 East' Seneca Street (second floor), 'Ithaca, New Yorke atthefollowing timesandOn , thefollowing matters : 7:45 P.M. Consideration of Day Camp- ground on the Church of the Latter-Dov . Saints ,property at 272 Enfield F'oIW.. Road ( Parcel No. 6.34-1.3). 8: 15 P.M. Consideration of site plan for a proposed new office building fors Madison Electric Incorporatedontheir , . • property }n alight Industrial District : off Five Mile Drive ( Parcel No. 6-31-2-30) . Said Planning Board will of said - times and said place hear all persons In support of such matters or obledions thereto: Persons may appear by agents or in person. E dward L Bergen ° Town Clerk. _ — -Townofftham^ Dated : June 24s 1975 j Publish : June26, 1975 ' f, t 'r . TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARINGS JULY 1 , 1975 By direction of the Chairwoman of the Planning Board , NOTICE IS HEREBY GIVEN that Public Hearings will be held by the Planning Board on Tuesday , July 1 , 1975 , in the Town Hall , 126 East Seneca Street ( second floor ) , Ithaca , New York , at the following times and on the following matters : 7 : 45 P . M .. Consideration of Day Campground on the Church of the Latter -Day Saints property at 272 Enfield Falls Road ( Parcel No . 6 - 34 - 1 - 3 ) . 8 : 15 P . M . Consideration of site plan for a proposed new office building for Madison Electric Incorporated on their property in a Light Industrial District off Five Mile Drive ( Parcel No . 6 - 31 - 2 - 30 ) . Said Planning Board will at said times and said place hear all persons in support of such matters or objections thereto . Persons may appear by agent or in person . Edward L . Bergen Town Clerk Town of Ithaca Dated : June 24 , 1975 . Publish : June 26 , 1975 .