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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 1974-09-24 ' TOT47N OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD ADJOURNED MEETING SEPTEMBER 24 , 1974 An adjourned meeting of a regular meeting of the Planning Board held on September 17 , 1974 , was held on Tuesday , September 24 , 19740 in the Town of Ithaca Offices , 108 East Green Street , Ithaca , New York , at 7 : 30 p . m . PRESENT : Chairwoman Barbara Holcomb , Robert Scannell , Maurice Harris , Sam Slack , Jack Lowe , Daniel Baker , Robert Christianson , Lawrence Fabbroni ( Planning Engineer/ Zoning Officer ) , Reynolds Metz (Assistant Zoning Officer ) . ALSO PRESENT : Mr . Otto Schoenfeld , Mr . Alan Goodman of the Ithaca Journal , Rober Payne , 2 Sandra Place , and 4 citizens . The Chair called the adjourned meeting to order at 7 : 45 p . m . DISCUSSION OF MR . OTTO SCHOENFELD ° S SUBDIVISION PROPOSALS - NORTHEAST AREA OFF BURLEIGH DRIVE Mrs . Holcomb declared that this is an adjourned meeting from September 17 , 1974 , at which Mr . Schoenfeld agreed to wait until this meeting to discuss his proposal further . Mrs . Holcomb pointed out that Plans "A " and " B " are before the Planning Board now , but that Mr . Schoenfeld has still another alternate plan that he would like to dis - cuss at this meeting tonight . Mr . Schoenfeld thought that we could call this third proposal Plan " Ctt . He stated that he has a new plan because of reaction to Plans "A " and " B " . Mr . Schoenfeld recalled that " A " and " B " were mo- tivated because of the official Town map . Regional Planning wanted Uptown Drive to go through , so he developed Plan " A " . The we had reaction and we got " B " . Now Mr . Schoenfeld would like to have the Planning Board look at Plan " C " which goes back somewhat to the original plans . Plan " C " will bring the traffic in and loop it within the area proposed to be developed and then brings it back out . It keeps all the traffic within the Town of Ithaca . Mr . Schoenfeld felt that Plan " C " has physical merits to it - - you can loop the water line and not dead- end any water as the others require . Plan " C °1 calls for a cul-de- sac . The other plans put some utilities in the back of the lots , but " C " puts them in the street right of way . Mr . Schoenfeld stated that since the Planning Board has not had an opportunity to study this new approach , and since things have been delayed so long now , he would suggest that the Planning Board members study Plan " C " and come back to another meeting with him , Mr . Schoenfeld made brief reference to the depth of the cul -de- sac . It could be measured at 4751 or it might be 575 ' if you include the circle . If it is determined to be 5751 a variance might be requested for the 75 ® . However , Mr . Schoenfeld noted that in his research he could not find the ruling for the depth of a cul de sac . Mr . Harris asked if the lots remain the same with Plan " C " . Mr . Schoenfeld said they are the same number of lots . He further stated that if Uptown Drive were ever put through , it would not affect this Plan " C " . Mr . Slack expressed concern that the proposed lots would have a road at their back ( Uptown ) and a road on the front ( proposed ) . Town of Ithaca Planning Board - 2 - September 24 , 1974 Mr . Scannell asked if there were any understanding or agreement with the Mormon Church on these lots or roads being dead-ended . Mr . Schoenfeld stated that there was not . He said that he told them that the matter of streets was to be dependent upon the final decision of the Planning Board . The streets he showed the representatives of the Church were tentative streets . Mr . Schoenfeld stated that if the Planning Board wants to take these three plans and include them in the decision as to which one they like better , it might be well to do that . Mr . Harris asked if we have given up hope that Uptown Road will ever go through . Mrs . Holcomb said No , we have not . Mr . Schoenfeld pointed out that with this plan we are getting back to the original plan where the whole project was in the Town of Ithaca . He outlined a brief background to the project . Mr . Harris asked if the new County Graham Road proposal does not take care of the problem of the Lansing Apartment area traffic by channeling it thru the new signal lights onto Triphammer . Mr . Fabbroni stated that that proposal does not seem to be feasible at this time . The DOT has not accepted it . Mr . Scannell stated that is is very clear in his mind what we should do . He asked if a motion would be proper at this time or a comment . Mrs . Holcomb asked him to comment . Mr . Scannell commented that Plan " C " is so much more like the original plan that it is in his mind to go back to it and further that he likes it much better than " A " or " Bn ® Mr . Lowe stated that he agreed completely . It is very appealing in view of the traffic , even if Uptown Road does go . He said he liked it much better , Mr . Scannell stated that for a very long time the Planning Board has tried very hard to help with problems in Lansing and Cayuga Heights and has received very little cooperation . Mr . Merle Lalonde from the floor requested that Mr . Fabbroni come up to Winthrop Drive right now , at this moment , and look at the traffic . He noted that he was late because he counted cars . There are 58 cars parked there right now . There are four people on Sandra Place that live on a cul de sac . The traffic on Winthrop Drive which houses many people is hazardous . Mrs . Holcomb noted at this point that this meeting is not a dis- cussion of the opening or closing of Sandra Place . This portion of the Subdivision stands on its own merits no matter what we do with Sandra Place on the other side . Mr . Roger Payne requested further clarification of this adjourned meeting . He was informed that the future of Sandra Place will be dis - cussed on October 1 , 1974 , by the Planning Board . Mr . Lalonde stated then that this Plan " C " does not give a direct access to the shopping centre . The other two plans do . Mrs . Holcomb stated that it was clear that a consensus of the Planning Board was in favor of Plan " C " . We will now consider Plan " C " . Mrs . Holcomb noted that there is one technical question . The Planning Board had a Public Hearing at which we saw Plans " A " and " B " . The Town of Ithaca Planning Board 00300 September 24 , 1974 question is - - is this Plan " C " substantially different ? It was asked if another public hearing is needed now 0000 one on final approval . Mr . Scannell stated that he did not see Plan " C " as a substantial change . Mr . Harris commented that in fairness to the public in the area , it should be presented since it is not " A " or " B " . Mr . Scannell asked Mr . Schoenfeld what his time schedule is . Mr . Schoenfeld said that he did have some committments , but that he would give the Planning Board the time that they need . He stated further that he felt that Plan " C °' is less offensive to anyone but still allows for the opening of Uptown Drive . He felt that this should pacify some people . Mr . Scannell stated that the reason for his question was that Mr . Schoenfeld would have to prepare plans for public hearing at the preliminary level . Mr . Slack said he favored public hearing on the preliminary level . There followed a further discussion of Plan " C " . Mr . Slack presented the question of a walkway through this new development to Sandra Place . Mrs . Holcomb thought that a discussion of walkways , parks , etc . , would be prudent at this point . Mr . Slack said that he did not think that Mr . Schoenfeld has given any park land . Mrs . Holcomb pointed out that he had never been requested to do so . There followed a discussion of a possible area for a recreation area since his previous subdivision approvals were discussed at a time when the Town Board was unwilling to accept park land . Mr . Scannell said that he liked Mr . Slack ' s suggestion of a walkway . There followed a discussion of a possible walkway through Sandra Place to get to school . Mr . Slack noted that these types of areas become a problem as to maintenance . Mrs . Holcomb asked if there were a consensus of the Board as to whether we should continue discus - sion for a walkway . Mr . Scannell stated that it was his opinion that this discussion should come up at a public hearing . This point was agreed upon by the Board . MOTION by Mr . Maurice Harris , seconded by Mr . Robert Scannell : RESOLVED , that the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca will hold a Public Hearing at the Town Offices , 108 East Green Street , Ithaca , New York , for the purpose of considering preliminary approval of a third alternate plan , known as " C " , for the development of the remain- ing land of Otto Schoenfeld , north of Burleigh Drive in the Town of Ithaca , at 7 : 30 p . m . on Tuesday , October 15 , 1974 - There being no further discussion , the Chair called for a vote . Aye - Holcomb , Scannell , Harris , Slack , Lowe , Baker , Christianson . Nay v None . The MOTION was declared to be carried unanimously . ADJOURNMENT The Meeting was adjourned upon Motion at 8 : 30 p . m . A Town of Ithaca Planning Board September 24 , 1974 NEXT MEETINGS The Planning Board will meet on October 1st , 1974 , to discuss the proposed Chapel on the Ithaca College Campus and to discuss the Planning Board recommendation to the Town Board on the opening or closing of Sandra Place , The Planning Board will then meet on October 15th for the Shcoenfeld Public Hearing and to work on the proposed zoning ordinance . EXECUTIVE SESSION The Planning Board retired into Executive Session until 10 : 00 p . m . Respectfully submitted , Nancy Me Fuller , Secretary ,