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HomeMy WebLinkAboutPB Minutes 1972-04-04 % TOWN OF ITHACA PLANNING BOARD April 4 , 1972 A Public Hearing by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca was held on Tuesday , April 4 , 1972 , at 7 : 30 p . m . in the Town of Ithaca � S Offices , and the City of Ithaca Counci Ithaca , New York . l Chambers , 108 East Green St . ,, PRESENT : Chairman Barbara Holcomb , Robert Christianson , Arnold Albrecht , Maurice Harris , Robert Scannell , Peter Francese ( Planning Consultant ) . ABSENT : Daniel Baker , Frederick Scott , Sam Slack . The meeting was brought to order by Mrs . Holcomb at 7 : 40 p . m , There were - 85 people present in the audience ; Since this was a Special Meeting and a Public Hearing , no Minutes were read . DREW PARK SUBDIVISION , Mr . Otis Drew is requesting approval for several changes in his subdivision plan , e , g . , lot size , roads , etc . Mrs , Holcomb stated that the map being presented to the Planning Board is already filed with the County Clerk of the County of Tompkins. However , there has been no approval from the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca . She also indicated that apparently one map was missing from the office file collection ; It was noted that there have been previous changes , the last one being in May of 1970 ; The Planning Board discussed some of the changes , such as one road coming out and another being straigh - tened and named Drew Road . The plans were revised January 10 , 1972 . A MOTION was made by Robert Scannell .' ' I move that the plan of Drew Park 8ulbdivision ; Stage III , be approved as shown on the revised plan of January 10 , 1972 : Maurice Harris seconded the Motion and it passed unanimously . Mrs . Holcomb requested an Addenda to the Motion which was agreed to by Mr ; Scannell , as follows : This plan represents only . a slight revision from the plan given final approval on May .. 16 , 1970 . KENILWORTH SHOPPING PLAZA PLANTING SCREEN. The item under discussion here is the planting . screen on Judd Falls Road . There are problems because of rights-of -way , gas lines , etc . Mrs . Holcomb read a letter from Mr . Ben V. Boynton , of Boynton Real Estate , a partner in Groff Associates , as follows : ' Enclosed is a map made from xerox prints showing the locations of several of the rights - of - way along . Judd Falls Rd . on the property owned by Groff Associates and leased to Kennilworth Associates . Also included on the map is the proposed right -of -way for the New York State Electric and Gas Corporation , As I understand it , the County Highway Department would like to have NYSE&G rE: locate their pole line further to the east of its present location in the ditch of the road along Judd Falls Road , The highway department could then put pipe in the ditch and cover it so that the road width could be increased . With the approval of Kennilwort Town of Ithaca Planning Board , April 4 , 1972 . l� Associates , Groff Associates is ready to give their approval to the new J location of the NYSE&G electric line . Approval by Kennilworth is now requested and pending , As you can see , the planting of trees along Judd Falls Road is a serious problem . At the request of the Highway Department and Mr . Francese I ask that the problem be carefully considered by the official boards of the Town of Ithaca . Time is of importance to the NYSE&G , the Highway Department and the growing; season . " At this point , Mrs . Holcomb requested that further discussion of the plantings for Kenilworth would be held at the conclusion of the two public hearings scheduled for this meeting . Because of the large numbers of people present for the Public Hearings and the inadequate number of chairs , Mrs : Holcomb requested that the Public Hearing be moved to the City of Ithaca Common Council Rooms , PUBLIC HEARING g- SCHICKEL ENVIRONMENTAL DEVELOPMENT COMPANY , At 8 . 00 p . m : Mrs . Holcomb officially called the Public Hearing to order by stai; ing that this Public Hearing is to consider the appli - ® cation of the Schickel Environmental Development Company for the re - 1 zoning of a 16 -acre tract of land near Honness Lane from R - 15 to multiple residence district . Mr . Enos Pyle is the owner . The Schickel Environmental Development Corporation is proposing the development of 160 units in 40 buildings . Mrs . Holcomb stated that this Public Hearing has been properly published and posted and that she had in her possession the affidavit of the Town Clerk of said publication and posting . The Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca is holding this Publii:; Hearing , she stated , and will present its recommendation to the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca . The Town Board is required to hold a Public Hearing before they can re - zone . Mrs . Holcomb informed the people that this was the opportunity for the members of the Planning Board to hear their thoughts on this proposal . Mrs . Holcomb showed the people a map of the proposal from Mr .. Schickel . At this point she called on Mr . Schickel to speak . Mr . Schickel gave Mrs . Holcomb a list of the people who w ,-: I- _I sent notices of the Public Hearing along with a letter and the proposal , Mr . Schickel greeted the audience and thanked them for ce : ~ . .ig . He stated that their thoughts and ideas would be considered in :o his plans . He then proceeded to read his proposal . This proposal hereby attached and made a part of these Minutes . Mrs . Holcomb then opened the meeting to questions from the floor . - 3 - Town of Ithaca Planning Board , April 4 , 1972 . Mr . Mahr as How certain are we , if the Planning Board and then the Town Board would approve of this change , that Mr . . Schickel will J get the land ? Mr . Pyle is the owner . Mr . Schickel we This could happen , but then it would be subject to the same app rova . _Mary _Jones , Honness Lane as There is only one entrances how do they get off? Mr . Schickel - It is possible as shown on the map , There will be a second ERrance also on Honness Lane . The plan is not presently drawn , but there are three opportunities , generally onto Honness Lane , Mr . Castle - To the Planning Board - is there property in this general area alias the same general qualities that is already zoned this way ? Mrs . Holcomb - Yes , Kenilworth , near the Shopping Centre . r. Mr . Castle - Zoning for the developer is a one -way street . He submitU=6 e Planning Board the following thoughts , If you re - zone this way , ;you are inevitably increasing the housing density . We can never go badsk Also we do not have any serious need for more density than we already have . There is. a terrible amount of traffic now . It is . a very serious matter for the people living in the neigh - bourhood , Again , you can never go back . The only direction you can go is to give us more traffic , I would very strongly recommend that the Planning Board riot recommend to the Town Board either this plan or the other one we will have tonight favorably . There is no provision for the extra traffic . People do use the roads for other needs , i . e . , walking , bicycles . There is no gain for the neighbourhood . The only gain is for people who speculate on the land ; All the talk has been internal , i . e . , about the development itself . There has been no dis - cussion of what it does to the neighbourhood . There is no way to com- pensate for this . Richard B . King , 102 Eastwood Avenue Ithaca City - Mr . King read a leFg y s a emen n opposition to � the proposed development , Mr . King said he would submit a copy of his statement to the Planning Board for inclusion in the Minutes . Mark Eisner , Pine Tree Road - Mr . Eisner asked Peter Francese for the ra�ionaae behind the present zoning of R -30 . At this point , Mrs . Holcomb wished to interject the followIng for clarification . Under the present Zoning Ordinance and the Zoning Ordinance being proposed , there is no multiple residence zone . If. y. r a floating zone . This makes multiple residence zoning permissible any residential zone within the Town . Each request is decided on own merits . As a result of this explanation , Mr . Eisner did not pursun his question and posed the following one . Wha is e ifference betwrt ;: ;i a Variance and a Zoning Change ? Mr . Francese usVariance - The Zoning Ordinance says " no " , Town of Ithaca Planning Board , April 4 , 1972 . therefore , you show the reason why . Zoning Change - Where a fixed ANzone , such as commercial , is re - zoned to something else . Mr . Blatchle, , 131 Honness Lane - There is a 60 ' strip of land through hi p oper y which he cannot sell or build upon . ( This is designated as a road by the Town ) , The Town took it . In January 1972 , there was another meeting and another strip which goes through Mr . Pyle ' s land was proposed . ( County proposal ) If this development goes through , he will most certainly ask for the same re - zoning for his land . Mrs . Ruth DeWire , Pine Tree Road - Mrs . DeWire read the follow ing statement : " It is obvious that the East Hill neighbourhoods of the Town of Ithaca are about to undergo rapid development . My concern is that this development be guided so as to prevent excessive population den - sity and its attending economic and social ills . At the same time , we must allow a judicious mix of single - dwellings , multiple - dwellings and commercial enterprises to develop . Whether the new zoning ordinanc ( and other planning policies in the process of being adopted by the Town of Ithaca will accomplish this orderly development is the main question . Without having studied the new ordinance I raise the following ques - tions : 1 . What proportion of the East Hill area should be multiple - dwellings ? What population density is desirable on East Hill ? 2 . There are over 600 units of multiple -housing , representing several thousands of persons , proposed for an area quite a bit less than 1 -mile in radius . Will these units , if approved , tip the neigh - bourhood balance too heavily towards apartment construction ? 3 . When the desired level of population density in multiple - housing units has been attained , what assurance does the East Hill resident have that additional multiple -housing applications will not be approved ? Should there be a fixed percentage of multiple -dousing and commercial development within designated areas of the Town of Ithaca instead of the proposed floating ordinance ? 4 . Some authorities are of the opinion that expansion of the assessment rolls resulting from apartment construction may not offset the costs of municipalities for highway construction and maintenance , recreation and public safety , and school expenses which high density populations generate . In that case these increased costs must be borne by the single - dwelling owners in part . What are the facts in the case of East Hill ? 5 . Is it of value to the Town Board and the Planning Board to establish precise guidelines for town development which might not be legally binding but will provide backing for piece -meal decisi_ r:ins . on developments ? I suggest the appointment of a small group of East Hill ci ;� ize from the neighbourhood associations to work with town Officials to consider guidelines for development in the East Hill area of the Tomn . " - 5 - Town of Ithaca Planning Board , April 4 , 1972 . Edward W . King , 1356 East State Street - Mr . King stated that r� he is adjacent oe propose eve opmen on he down -hill side . He said that the first thought that occurs to him about any construction in the Town is the water run -off problem . He went on to say that about ten years ago Mr . Pyle attempted to build a subdivision up there behind Mr . King ' s house , They bulldozed a kind of road and then the rains came and washed: out his ( Mr . King ' s ) garage . He wished td point out to the Planning Board that the run -off problem will be very severe . He urged that a, surface drainage plan must be very carefully drawn . There are presently no rights - of-way across Slaterville Road . Also , he wished to point out the traffic problem , He said that most of the traffic would flow south onto Honness Lane . There is a house on the northeast corner which obstructs the view and , in addition , there is a curve on Slaterville Road at that point . He would propose alternate connecting roads , perhaps northwesterly into Eastwood Avenue , Now , Mac . King wished to point out the following facts . An R - 30 zone requires 30 , 000 sq . ft . of land for one building . An R - 15 zone of 15 , b00 sq . ft * allows for 48 units while an R -30 allows for 24 on this parcel . In this request for some 150 units there is only 4 , 600 sq , ft , per dwelling unit . In an R - 10 zone the maximum density is one dwelling unit per 3 , 600 sq . ft . Now , Mr , Schickel has proposed under multiple because we have no present ordinance for his type of proposal . ® Mr . King stated that he would urge very strict requirements . The Town Board should demand a very complete plan . Drainage, archi - tecture , phasing , etc . , should be very clear . Controls should be such that if there were any changes , he would have to go through the same procedure of public hearing and if at any point he abandoned any re - quirements the land would immediately revert to R -30 . Also , he would like to point out that the Coggshall property is landlocked but it does have an outlet onto Slaterville Road , Mr . Coggshall should know what is going to happen to that land . If this development occurs , he ( Mr . King ) surmises that the Coggshalls will be in asking for the same thing . Mrs . Holcomb - This land is presently zoned R -15 . Mr . Francese - Under the new ordinance the maximum number of units for an - zone is 12 . 1 per acre and under the old one it is 18 . Montgomery May, 1360 Slaterville Road - Mr . May did not think there was enoug lformation . He oug a there was going to be a topography map . He was very concerned about the drainage , The run- off is very excessive upon many occasions and roads will make it even worse , Also , a 501 road into a development of 150 units from a safety stand - point would be very dangerous . It is ridiculous to have only one road , Should the road become blocked there would be no exit . He urged that the standards for) any new development be met . Mary Margaret Carmichael - Mrs . Carmichael asked just how many apartment uns areeing proposed for this area? Kenilworth , Eastern Heights , and Schickel . -6 - Town of Ithaca Planning Board , April 4 , 1972 . How many houses are there in this area ? She presented the following figures . Kenilworth , Phase 1 = ( 100 ) Total approved = 250 U . D . C . = 84 Schickel = 150 Eastern Heights = 160 644 apartments Homes would run around 300 to 400 , She said , that ' s a lot of people ; Mrs . Nancy Krook - wished to point out that 24 . 4 acres in Eastern Heirs would-fie 260 units , not 160 as listed by Mrs , Carmichae ? Mr . Francese - stated that Eastern Heights did not wish to develop the lanc17o"£hat extent . Mrs . Krook - stated that all this increase was being done without g v ng Ftny road relief . Mrs Ei :: ner - Most of the traffic will go down Honness Lane , Mr . Herbert Mahr , 103 Judd Falls Road - It is an absolute necessity to p 7in a road system in the Town of Ithaca . He would urge that this goes back to the Town Board . There should be circumferential roads . He presented the following proposals . 1 . He would ask that the Planning Board designate a set of primary roads . 2 . He has seen pictures of planned unit developments and he does not think that this proposal fits the plan . He does not wish to see the segregation of each type of unit . Mr . Mahr would propose now to reconsider his plan which he presented to the Planning Board in February , 1972 , which is , at the same over -all density , just develop some apartments , at the same time develop very high �price single dwellings and in a third part develop lower price housing . Mr . Schickel - It is a matter of what sized piece of property you are looking g TY.Mr . Schickel felt that this area is a mix , Mr . Eisner - He requested that the road situation be clarified as it invo vile County . Mr . Francese - The County proposal is a corridor proposal . . It is not=ixMFTocation , The County proposal where it crosses Six Mile Creek calls for a bridge . It is Mr . Francese ' s opinion that this bridge is prohibitive and unnecessary . Mr . Eisner - What control do they have over this area ? Where does it go ? " Town of Ithaca. Planning Board April 4 , 1972 . Mr . Francese - Some place between the City Line and Pine Tree RoadT= cuts t rough the corner of where Mr . Schickel plans to build . It goes through two houses . Mr . Francese stated that the County Planner must make a comment to the Town Board . If he does not approve such a plan , four votes out of five on the Town Board are necessary in order to pass this re - zoning , Usually three out of five votes are needed if the County Planner is in favour . Albert Hoefer , Jr . , 113 Northview Road - He spoke of condo - miniums , ! not an artment as we thlnk �o7 it . It is something that someone invests in, It is a home . He spoke of bond issues such as the water and sewer up on South Hill where it would have been far less costly had there been such a development there , He spoke direc - tly to the Planning Board in favour of the development . Ann Koncelik , Tudor Road - She said that she would also like to point out tie deneity as it pertains to roads . On her own road she has been closed out upon several occasions this year because of ice caused by run -off . Eastern Heights has not yet solved their run - off problems and neither has the Town helped . Sometimes the water is two or three feet deep , At this juncture , Mrs . Holcomb stated that the time was 9800 p . m . and the Planning Board would now turn to the second Public Hearing scheduled for this meeting . • Mrs . Holcomb read the following notice of public hearing as published in the Ithaca Journal , A Public Hearing will be held by the Planning Board of the Town of Ithaca for the purpose of considering the application of Eastern Heights , Inc . for the re - zoning , of a 20 " acre tract of land on Snyder Hill Road from R -30 to multiple residence zone . Mrs . Holcomb stated that this Public Hearing has been properly posted and advertised and is for the information of the Plm-ining Board . She then gave the background to this present request for re - zoning . In late 1968 and 1969 there was a proposal from Eastern Heights for an apartment complex . It went through the normal steps and it was tabled by the Town Board . It has been on the table for four years . The Town Board has had a request from Eastern Heights , Inc . , to lift this up from the table and the Town Board has asked that the Planning Board look at this proposal again . She stated that the Planning Board is essentially starting the procedure again . Mrs . Holcomb then asked Mr . Manley Thaler , attorney , and spokesman for Eastern Heights , Inc . , to make a statement , Mr . Thaler stated that it has been four years since Eastern Heights made this proposal . There is a map and plan filed with the Town and has been since the last meeting with the Town Board . He went on to say that the proposal is a request for re - zoning to multi - ple housing . Eastern Heights does not intend to build an apartment complex . They intend to create units similar to Mr . Schickel ' s . The units will be for sale , The five - acre park was required in the approval for the area of Eastern Heights Subdivision ( other side of road ) . The area proposed for re - zoning is bounded on the North by Cornell University , West by Cornell University , on the East by the . - 8 - Town of Ithaca Planning Board , April 4 , 1972 . �® Town Line , and on the South by Snyder Hill Road . He stated that this is land where it is not feasible to build single family dwellings . The rock is within inches of the surface . It would be economically impossible to build single family units . The land coverage will be 8 to 10 units per acre where it had been 13 when originally proposed . The drainage problem was studied in 1968 and there is drainage down into the City Watershed . With reference to diversity , Mr . Thaler stated that diversity was the original concept in Eastern Heights - low , middle and high cost housing and multiple housing . Mr . Thaler agreed with Mr . King that they should submit plot plans for approval , elevations for approval and final plans for approval . He stated that Eastern Heights is not about to have any development there that would endanger the area . He stated that the schools are aware that there will be high density development there . As for roads , he stated that the developer can do nothing except to put in the development and have more taxes to develop the roads . Mrs . Cathy Valentino , Eastern Heights Civic Association - Mrs , Valentino'. a ed thatMe Rastern Heights Civic AssociatioF had a meeting on March 28th , 1972 , and discussed the proposed development . Out of this meeting came a resolution passed unanimously opposing . the zoning change from R - 30 to multiple . They also drew up a petition which was circulated for those people who were unable to attend this meeting . There are 70 names on this petition which is about 90% of the home owners . She read the following statement ; " Resolution dated March 28 , 1972 . The Eastern Heights Association opposes the changing of the zoning ordinance from R - 15 to multiple zoning on the following grounds : 1 . This proposed change would adversely affect the established character or value of the surrounding property . 2 . It would create severe congestion of traffic on Snyder Hill Road , which is the only access to Ithaca for Eastern Heights residents . 3 . Eastern Heights Corporation has already violated the intent of the present zoning by building duplex styled homes in the Eastern Heights Subdivision . The intent of the present zoning of R - 15 is to have a density of three units per acre . The proposal would create a potential density of more than thirteen units per acre . 4 . The proposed development will increase the water run off and will create additional flooding of the already inadequate drainage ditches , " • Mrs . Valentino then asked the Planning Board if they can legally recall a zoning already made , Mr . Francese answered by saying that the same procedure must be followed again as was to initially zone , There is no reversion clause , I + - 9 - Mr . Mahr - Is it not true that as long as an application for construction spending , you cannot re - zone ? Mrs . Holc mb - I think so . Mr . Francese - I am not sure . Mr . Eisner - I would like to continue to explore the question of the floating�:ff�0 zone . How many such zones does the Planning Board contemplate ? What are we as residents in for ? Mrs . Holcomb - I would describe the situation as it presently stands aseeing::Ln en in -between land . There are no guidelines set forth except that the proposal must be at least 2 acres to be considered for re - zoning . That is why we are re -writing the ordinance because there are holes . Under the new ordinance , she continued , questions vis - a - vis traffic , neighbourhood access , what is constructed on the adjacent land , drainage , how many in an area as a percentage , etc . , will be guidelines . Mr; . Eisner _ : - If it is , inevitable for a higher density , what parts lende emse". I`ves to such development ? Mr . Francese - It is necessary to define neighbourhoods . The Planning Boar cc>uTsay for example that in this particular area there is enough density , Mr . Castle - He stated that he would hope that this would be considered ince new proposed Zoning Ordinance , Mrs . Holcomb - These are being considered and that is why the Planning Board shaving both Hearings at once . Mrs . Carmichael - These plans would double the density . Mr . Richard Hemming - I would like to repeat . TRAFFIC . How can we hanZ15=e 700 newunfits ? I do not agree that expansion will allow for new taxes to improve roads . They have not so fart Mrs . Beverly Livesay - It was just two weeks ago that this request was made�an at thaTTime I stated that there could be a possibility of accidents and within three days there was a series of accidents all piled up on Snyder Hill Road . This somehow or other never made the papers . She passed pictures her husband took of the scene . Mr . Gerard O ' Brien , 130 Snyder Hill Road - First of all , he would like to pointy out - a he Has attended 6 meetings on this propo - sal . The last one was May 12 , 1969 , and the first one was August 13 , 1968 . So the proposal is about 3 years old not 4 . He would like to say that many of the comments made about Honness Lane apply to Eastern Heights . 77 new Douses have been put in the area since the Spring ( 1970 ) when this area was proposed . 50 houses are in the Eastern Heights development and of these 50 there are about 22 duplexes . He stated that if one were to drive by seven ( 7 ) houses along Snyder Hill Road at any given time one would find 25 cars parked . According to his survey , there are practically 2+ cars per unit . Mrs . Krook , Pine Tree Road - She wished to bring to the atten - tion of the ann :7ng Boar , tFie Forest Hills controversy and a decision - 10 - Town of Ithaca Planning Board April 4 , 1972 . : of the New York. Court of Appeals , which involved an area re - zoned according to an approved plan and then the developer built in viola - tion . Would this have application here ? She went on to say that this is what happened with the Kenilworth proposed covered Mall . Mr . Paul Pawlak , 114 Park Lane - He wished to present a hypotheticalcase * Suppose they Build8 units and cannot sell them , can they rent a unit or units in the meantime ? Mrs . Holcomb and Mr . Francese - Yes . Mr . Pawlak - Then we have a rental community again . Mr . Gittelman , 109 Tudor Road - He stated that he understood that the reason that . the Eastern Heights Corp . wished to re - zone the area to multiplE! was � that they found it economically unfeasible to put up single - family dwellings as in an R- 15 zone . Mr . Gittelman finds it unreasonable to build . fifty units and pack them in . Perhaps they can make the R -15 three per acre . This would satisfy the people too . Mrs . Holcomb - Cluster housing is permissible as long as additional ans e t as green open areas so that the total taken together is 15 , 000 per sq . ft . • Mr . Blatchley - Where is the water coming from? Mrl Tom McCarthy � Snyder Hill Road ase He wished to point out that Hunger or 111Is��t0 tweet above sea level and comprised of stone and clay . The City of Ithaca is 385 feet above sea level . This obviously causes a tremendous run -off problem . . Also , the cars on Snyder Hill Road have to . be very careful - there are cars on the side of the road , in the drives , in the trees , the students in the duplexes park all over this place , to say nothing of the steep grade . Mr . Castle . - Speaking of investments , he said , there is a local irony=` ,-fie are asked to swallow the fact that we love the area , but gee , we went and bought a piece of land that we should not have bought , and now we ask you to bail us out by letting us put at least something tip there . It is mindful of the N . A . Transport plans by the Federal government . Mr . Ei .; ner - In view of the City Moratorium on water , just where is tEF wwa� er going to come from to cover this development ? Mr . Henning - Does this Moratorium apply to sewer ? Since ther aor LBo is this Morw can you ,justify new housing? Mr . Fischer - As a matter of clarification , he asked , can Eastern Heigh sMo �go ahead even if the Moratorium continued? You can drive wells . If the rock comes that close to the surface , where is the sewage "going to go ? Mr . Francese - You do not necessarily have to have a septic iwii tank systemw a ell . e i • - 11 - Town of Ithaca Planning Board April 4 , 1972 . Mrs . Holcomb asked if there were any more questions or comments . There were none so Mrs . Holcomb officially declared that the Public Hearing was closed . Mrs . :Holcomb stated further that there will be no determina - tion by the Planning Board at this meeting . The Planning Board is represented at this meeting by a bare quorum of five . The proposals will be considered and discussed at the next regular meeting of the Planning Board which would be the 18th of April , 1972 . However , there is some problem with that date because Mrs . Holcomb will be out of town , The meeting will be held either on the 18th of April or the 25th of April . There w.-', ll be ample notice of the actual date . At this point , Mrs . Holcomb asked that the meeting move back to the Town of ]Ithaca Offices . Mr . Sc:hickel went over the drainage situation with the Planning Board , Mrs . Holcomb asked if there were an under - road culvert on Slaterville Road , Mr . Schickel replied that he thought there was . He said he had talked with Mr . Howard Stevenson of the County Highway Department , Mr . Christianson asked if this was the spot that the people were talking about getting bottled up . Mr . Francese thought that the heart of the matter was this - supposing that the Planning Board made a proposal that because of the conditions , the Planning Board would set a 50 unit limit for the time being . Could you go ahead ? It does create a lot of problems ; he continued ; from a financing point of view . People do not1wish to buy unless they know what they are getting into . Also , he indicated that he did not see that much of a traffic problem . It is not like a business that lets out at one time . He really was not too excited about the periferal roads . He felt they tend to create more cars , KENILWORTH SHOPPING PLAZA PLANTING SCREEN . The Planning Board returned to the discussion of the planting screen on Judd Falls Road , Mr . Francese stated that he personally never suggested this planting strip . He felt that it serves no purpose . He did not put them there at all . After discussion of the letter from Mr . Boynton , a look at the map , etc . , it; was the Planning Board consensus that the trees should be put right on top of the sewer lines . There would be no problem with the roots with the type of lines that they are going to use . Mr . Francese maintained that the Utilities people to not want them . Mr . Scannell stated that there could be no problems with the Taxus Hicksi , ,40 Mr . Francese stated that Mr . Stevenson , the County Highway Engineer , would like to see a postponement at the very least . He is coming in with sewer lines . He suggested strongly that they delay until these people get their jobs done . Mr . Francese also stated that he understood that the electric lines would be underground . The • - 12 - r , OJ Town of Ithaca Planning Board , April 1972 . Planning Board requested that Mr . Francese find out exactly where these lines are on the! map , He said that he would find that information . -� Also , he will check the location of the electric and gas lines and } when the County will finish with their ditch construction . Mrs , Holcomb wished it to be noted that the Planning Board still thinks that this screen should be planted . There will be no pro - blems over the sewer lines and under the electric lines , but that they would hold off until this work is done . Mrs . Holcomb then asked if there was any further official business . There was none , Mrs . Holcomb adjourned the meeting at 10 : 25 p . m . The Planning Board remained in private discussion until 11 : 15 p , m . Respectfully submitted , Nancy M . Fuller , Acting-Secretary .