HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB Minutes 1990-09-10 TOWN OF ITHACA
REGULAR TOWN BOARD MEETING
September 10 , 1990
At a Regular Meeting of the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca ,
Tompkins County , New York , held at the Town Hall , 126 East Seneca
Street , Ithaca , New York , on the 10th day of September , 1990 , there
were :
PRESENT : Shirley Raffensperger , Supervisor
John Whitcomb , Councilman
Patricia Leary , Councilwoman
David Klein , Councilman
Frank Liguori , Councilman
Catherine Valentino , Councilwoman
Karl Niklas , Councilman
ALSO PRESENT : John Barney , Town Attorney
Scott McConnell , Highway Superintendent
Dan Walker , Town Engineer
Susan Beeners , Town Planner
Andrew Frost , Building Inspector/ Zoning
Officer
Linda Nobles , Asst . Budget Officer
Robert Hines , Zoning Board of Appeals
Pam Stonebraker , SPCA
Nathaniel Knappen , SPCA
Stephanie Schaaf , SPCA
Laura Marks , CAC
Representatives of the Media :
Greg Williams , WHCU
PLEDGE OF i3LLEGIANCE
The Supervisor led the assemblage in the Pledge of Allegiance .
REPORT OF '.[OWN OFFICIALS
Supervisor ' s Report
Supervisor Raffensperger reported that the SJS of the Ithaca Area
Wastewater Treatment plant is discussing the possibility of
expanding the service area to include service to the Town and
Village of Lansing . An engineering report was prepared for the SJS
in 1989 outlining possible financial arrangements for a buy in and
for expan,�ion of the plant . Negotiations are really just
beginning , no time table has been established but SJS
representatives from the Town will keep the Town Board informed of
the process .
The Supervisor went on to say that the Town of Ithaca had received
a deposit of $ 2 , 000 from the owners of Ide ' s to be used in the
construction of a sidewalk along Mitchell Street and Ellis Hollow
Road . The Town already has on deposit , $ 10 , 000 from Cornell
University for the same purpose . Some construction may take place
in 1991 with budget approval .
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Supervisor Raffensperger noted that the Town had received the post
census review statistics , growth in the Town is reported as 17 , 735
a 10 . 7 % increase . There is an increase of over 11 % in the Town
outside the Village of Cayuga Heights .
Supervisor- Raffensperger stated that a newsletter was tentatively
scheduled to go out mi&October . Town Board members , Committee
chairs and staff should let her know , in writing , of items they
wished to have included in the newsletter .
The Supervisor stated that she had received a telephone call from
Lynn Leopold today , fron Tompkins County Solid Waste , to say that
the curbside recycling in the Town of Ithaca has been delayed . Now
it seems that the head of the Solid Waste Division has decided that
to be equitable there has to be an arrangement to have curbside
pick up in all of Tompkins County before they can initiate any
additions to the curbside pickup . obviously , the people who had
arranged an earlier curbside pickup for Town of Ithaca , the Village
of Lansing and parts of the Town of Dryden are somewhat concerned ,
there have been public information meetings scheduled and all kinds
of things but this has come to a halt and it looks like there will
be no addition to curbside recycling in the Town of Ithaca until
the first of the year .
Town Engineer ' s Report
Town Engineer Dan Walker reported that the 1987 Water and Sewer
Improvement Project is moving ahead , we have all the bonding money
I
n and we are now planning on how best to spend it . The
Tru mansburg Road water and sewer improvements are about ready to go
out to bid . The Health Department is doing the final approvals on
them . The water meter pit that we have on Taughannock Boulevard is
under review with the City and we received word today that there
may be some minor changes . The three projects will go out to bid
in one package as they are basically for West Hill . He noted that
the Troy Water Tank is out to bid and will be opening bids on
September 26 . We plan to start construction this fall with the
probable ccnnpletion of the tank in the Spring . We will be keeping
the tank height under 30 ' with a slightly larger diameter .
The Engineer went on to say that they had just received the final
plans from Stearns & Wheler for the Inlet Valley Water and Sewer
Project and are starting on easement negotiations . We have two
large parcels that we are crossing with a line that we are not
going to be directly serving , initially . one is in the City and
one in the Town and we are negotiating with both landowners . We
have draft easements for their review and hopefully they will be
finalized by the end of the month . In conjunction with the Inlet
Valley Project we did a monitoring project of the existing flows in
the Floral Avenue sewer at the request of the City . We found that
initially that we should have enough capacity in the system for the
first phases of this project with an anticipation of a need to
expand the City sewer system within the next five years . We are
working with the City Engineering Department to keep those costs in
line , as much as possible . He went on to say that the survey of
the 6 " water main along Tramansburg Road from the Cliff Street Pump
Station to Bundy Road , has been completed and we are in the process
of doing some design . The main concern there is that if we get
additional development on West Hill then we will be asking for
contributions from the developers to help replace that line because
that is the weak link in the West Hill water system .
The Engineer went on to note the development review of Deerrun and
Chase Farms Phase II and that there was some cleanup left in the
drainage :Nystems and the roads before fully releasing the
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developers from any financial commitments . Commercial projects
reviewed include MacDonalds , Andre Petroleum and the East Hill
t Plaza renovation , which was withdrawn . We have done some work with
the Cornell staff on their Cornell Master Plan and the GEIS but
they have not been able to do a lot of work on their GEIS at this
point . Ithaca College has been very cooperative in working with
the Engineering and Planning Departments in starting the frame work
of a GEIS and Master Plan . He stated that he was reviewing a
fairly detailed drainage plan and was happy with the cooperation .
He noted that the East Hill water planning with the Town of Dryden
and Cornell is proceeding and at this point no Town funds are
proposed to be expended as the cost will be shared between the Town
of Dryden and Cornell .
Town Engineer Walker stated that his department was providing
mapping and technical support to the Planning Department for the
Comprehensive Plan . Also , he was trying to work his way through
the somewhat complicated municipal agreements that the Town has
entered into in the past . We have a very important need to take a
very strong hold on our infrastructure maintenance system .
Basically we have been dealing with repairs on a crises basis and
there is a need for us to go into a much more planned repair and
maintenance program on water and sewer . He stated that he had been
working with the City whose staff has ' been doing emergency repairs
on our sewer systems and the Bolton Point staff has been
coordinating water system repairs . He stated that he was bringing
together cost information over the past and trying to set up a
program where it may be more feasible for the Town to do the work
inhouse .
Councilwoman Valentino asked about the inhouse maintenance and the
surcharge that is paid on the water bills . She asked if that money
wasn ' t meant , at the time it was done , to be used for those sort of
things ?
Town Engineer Walker replied that those funds are being used ,
however , wE! don ' t have all of the resources , such as time . So we
have contracted out the major excavation work and utilized the
cleaning capabilities of the City . He felt it may be possible to
utilize an extra person within the Highway Department and Parks
staff to doing the sewer work and also paving . He felt this would
help to control costs .
Town Highway Superintendent ' s Report
Town Highway Superintendent Scott McConnell stated that they have
done maintenance on numerous vehicles , one in particular was the
van that the Engineering Department purchased from Bolton Point .
We put pavement over top of the culvert pipe that was installed on
Sand Bank Road and the Rich Road turn around was improved . We had
two storms which resulted in ditch and culvert damage . Also ,
resurfacing was completed at intersections of newly paved roads and
several roads were swept after the oil and stones ' were worked in
and set .
The Highway Superintendent reported that the Parks Department had
spent most of their time mowing . He noted that usually August was
a slow month for mowing but not this year . Also , they had a lot of
clean up after the storm with trees down and walkways that were
washed out . The baseball back stop that was damaged in February or
March is now up and usable . They continue to do maintenance on
play structures and mowing .
Building Inspector/ Zoning officer ' s Report
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Building Inspector/ Zoning Officer Andrew Frost reported that 15
building permits were issued during the month of August , four for
single family detached residents , four renovations , one conversion ,
three additions , one for Cornell for the thermal storage tank and
two for miscellaneous construction . 29 certificates of occupancy
were issued during the month of August . We investigated seven
complaints for the month and several are pending . He stated that
he had been talking to the Town Attorney about the property
maintenance law as several are abandoned vehicles . 130 field
visits were made this month .
Mr . Frost went on to note that his assistant had obtained his
certificate as a code enforcement officer from New York State and
he had received his certificate for his continuing education
requirements . He went on to say that they have had several
contacts with people during the summer where they have actually
been doing work in the lake with permits from the Army Corp of
Engineers and in some cases the Department of Environmental
Conservation . He stated that it was clear that the Town ' s Zoning
Ordinance does not apply to anybody doing work in the lake ,
particularly any part of the lake that is within the low water
level .
Councilman Niklas asked what the people were building ?
Mr . Frost replied , a boat house . Not anything anyone would be
residing in but a cover for a boat . Also , there have been a couple
of boat lifts .
Town Planner ' s Report
Town Planner Susan Beeners reported that the Planning Staff had
supported eleven committee meetings . She noted the agenda tonight
contained some reccnutendations for revisions to the Zoning
Ordinance . We had a presentation from the representatives of the
Cornell Vet School and Ithaca College for their new science
building . The Planning Board requested some additional information
on the Andree Gas Station proposal , so that has been adjourned .
MacDonalds was adjourned with no date set for a further hearing
because of the litigation . She went on to say that there was a
review of the short environmental assessment form which has been
revised and with revisions approved by the CAC . The final revised
version by the CAC is available now and she would like the Town
Board to approve it at a later meeting . The Planner went on to say
that she and the Town Engineer attended a meeting with the Planning
and Engineering people at Cornell to talk about circulation
improvements that they are still investigating . We also met with
some representatives from DOT who are looking into either a three
or four lane widening of Route 13 from the City line south to just
about to where Bell ' s Convenience is located . The exact number of
lanes have not been determined , at the present time . We saw their
plans and there will be an initial public information on October
3rd or 10th . She went on to say that she was proud to say they
have two new Planning Aids , both are recent graduates of the City
and Regional Planning Program . The Planning Technician position
which is naw being filled on a temporary basis by John Cyzmanski is
being advertised this week and we will be holding interviews next
week .
Councilman Niklas asked if there were any inside candidates ?
Ms . Beeners replied that she believed John Cyzmanski would be
reapplying for the position .
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REPORT OF TOM COMMITTEES
CPC Committee
Councilman Klein reported that the CPC met on August 21st and split
into suboarmiittees , one to analyze the survey , one to deal with
goals and objectives and one to deal with transportation systems .
These subcommittees have been meting with the staff and with Ron
Brand . Tomorrow night there is another CPC meting and Ron Brand
will be bringing down the draft of the Chapter No . 1 , so we are
finally seeing some parts of the Comprehensive Plan , which he noted
contained many chapters . One of the items on the agenda was to
establish a date for the first public information hearing . He
thought the time line had set it for September 25th but they would
be discussing that tomorrow night as to whether this was a
reasonable date to take the survey results to the public and
hopefully some of the goals and objectives of the Comprehensive
Plan as well as a general update . That may be a little premature ,
we don ' t want to go public with something that ' s not of good
quality to share with them . If it wasn ' t September 25th , he
assumed it. would happen early in October . They had also hoped to
have the draft of the Comprehensive Plan ready in October , that
seems most likely to happen in November . There has been a lot of
effort on the part of staff , again with the various subcommittees
and there is quite a lot of support required of the staff and he
knew the staff was putting in a considerable amount of effort .
Conservation Advisory Council
Councilman Whitcomb stated that they were meting twice a month now
and are quite a ways along on their mapping . The Ag Corgnittee is
beginning a draft outline of the agricultural components of the
draft Conq)rehensive Plan . We are also beginning to draft the
environmental components of the Comprehensive Plan , the open space
index . We have subcommittees working on agriculture and also the
Six Mile Creek corridor protection in conjunction with the City .
He stated that as he understood it their draft of a protection
package i 's- nearly completed and should be presented to the Planning
Board at their second meeting in October for their review .
Youth Services
Councilwcmm Valentino reported that she had a meeting with Rick
Dietrich from the Town of Danby . They are very interested in
pursuing some kind of a building as a focal point in their
community for youth services , for meetings , for other community
types of things , day care , etc . They feel a real need for that .
He made it quite clear that they are going to move ahead on that ,
that the Town of Danby is going to get some kind of a building at
some point, down the road not too far in the future . He was
wondering if there was any interest in the Town of Ithaca on
perhaps some kind of a joint facility on the border line between
the two towns . She went on to say that they had quite a long and
interesting conversation . The bottom line was that they would like
to pursue the idea , at this point , jointly with no real commitment
that would say that if one party decided to withdraw at any point
the other party wouldn ' t feel that they had some kind of a
commitment that had been reneged one 'There might possibly be some
real interest in doing that and Mr . Dietrich has talked with people
from the County Planning Board and the Human Services Coalition and
seems to have quite a bit of information together already . We will
be continuing to meet with them to see just what might be possible .
We already have the community center on Coddington Road with quite
a bit of growth in that area . They are also willing to come along
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with our :idea of pursing a joint youth commission . We already have
a ccmnitment from the Village of Lansing and she felt the Village
of Cayuga Heights would come on board shortly , and the Towns of
Ithaca and Danby would also like to be a part of at least the
meeting process at this point to see if there might be scene joint
things that we can do together .
Codes & Ordinance Committee
Councilman Niklas stated that because they had a lot of items on
the agenda tonight he would keep his comments brief . At the last
meeting they were very pleased to add a new member to the
committee , who is in attendance tonight , and that is Mr . Robert
Hines who is a member of the Zoning Board of Appeals . Councilman
Niklas went on to say that they were continuing to discuss the
feasibility of and desirability of dealing with non-conforming uses
and right now we are focusing on occupancies . The issue of
non-conforming occupancy . The other issue we are dealing with in a
preliminary way is the feasibility and the desirability of having
the Town ' s own legislation for designated wetland areas that are
less than 12 . 4 acres in area .
Fire Stations Committee
Councilman Klein stated that the Committee should have been ended
by now but he felt there would be at least one more meeting . He
thought that both stations had their certificates of occupancy and
the renovated stations and the new stations were occupied . He
noted that the contracts have not been closed out , however , they
are close . Councilman Klein noted that the renovations have almost
exceeded the budget . There was a million dollars bonded for that
and they are about a million and one thousand . The new stations he
thought were about $ 70 , 000 under the bonded amount .
Councilman Niklas asked if the new stations were functional now?
Supervisor Raffensperger replied yes , for about a week now they
have been functional . There will be open houses for them sometime
in mid-October as there is a fire prevention week and they are
planning on scheduling open houses at each of the new stations a
week apart , she thought on the Saturdays in hopes that they will
get some c(immnity interest and new volunteers .
1991 SPCA PROPOSAL
Supervisor Raffensperger noted that the Town did not have a
contract for Board consideration , at this time , but she had
provided the Board members with the material she had received in
the form of a letter which would be the basis for the contract .
She went on to note the letter which discussed the proposed amount
for 1991 and that she had checked and in 1989 the Town of Ithaca
paid $ 11 , 4191 the requested amount this year is $ 21 , 667 . 14 which is
a $ 10 , 248 increase or almost 90 % . In 1989 , in her understanding of
the correspondence , is that the Town of Ithaca ' s share was
determined solely on the basis of the number of tickets issued
which in 1989 was 68 tickets . The equivalent number of tickets in
1990 is 621 . In 1989 for the tickets issued the Town of Ithaca
accounted for 13 . 7 % , in 1990 for 16 . 4% . She stated that her
understanding of the letter that came to the Town was that the SPCA
is proposing that the determination of cost for each of the
municipality be changed . That in addition to the number of tickets
issued , that there should also be a percentage of the total budget
for the dog control budget , the number of tickets issued is
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considered and also the total number of stray dogs impounded from
each municipality . She noted that this was a bit of a change in
the basis on which the contract is formed , as she understood it .
Additionally , she noticed in the correspondence last year that the
City of Ithaca which has in the past had a system of patrolling for
dogs was considering discontinuing that and she felt that the Board
needed to understand whether or not that City service had been
discontinued . She noted that in the Town of Ithaca the SPCA was
not asked. for any patrolling functions , they only respond to
cciTlaintS and she felt it was necessary to know if all were buying
the same kind of services .
Pam Stonebraker , Director of the SPCA replied that the City of
Ithaca does not have patrolling .
Supervisor Raffensperger noted that the SPCA budget had increased
substantially but not as substantial as the request from the Town
of Ithaca .
Nathaniel Knappen Counsel to the SPCA remarked that part of the
change they were trying to effect is to rationalize the system of
the SPCA over what has been done in the past . In the past for a
long time -the various municipalities had their contracts negotiated
on an independent and historical basis which did not have much to
do with what was going on each year in terms of the number of
strays impounded and over the last two years , mainly from pressure
from the City who pays the largest amount , we have been asked to
rationalize that process . The place that we started was by taking
the total amount of the budget that we have and figuring out that
amount which is dedicated to sustain the dog control function . We
then went back and looked at the various portions of the dog
control function and how that interacts with the municipalities .
All of that is governed under the Ag and Markets Laws of the State
of New York which provides that there be a set minimum State fee
which is divided between the municipality and the State and in
addition to that the municipalities have a . right to attach a
license fee over and above that which they get to keep . For
example , the amount that can be added , a total of $ 10 . 00 . The Town
of Ithaca being the lowest in the County adds only $ 3900 . An
increase of $ 7 . 00 on your licensing fee alone would account for a
substantial portion of the increase we have talked about , about
$ 7 , 000 . .Also , the enumeration that is performed by the
municipality will determine the license fees . Again , the Town of
Ithaca has not had an enumeration in over three years and as a
result of 1-hat is well behind all other municipalities in terms of
the numbers of dogs on a percentage basis for the number of
residents . We estimate that if you were in line with the rest of
the County that you would double your enumeration and you would ,
therefore , double the amount of fees that would cone to you . But
for the purposes of actually doing our calculation on the budget we
took into account not license fees or licenses per say , because
that depends on your enumeration , but we took into account two
things . We took into account the number of strays that we collect
from the Town as opposed to the other municipalities and we took
into account the number of dogs that we impound . That ' s kind of a
direct application of what our resources are . What you get when
you get dog control is , the picking up of stray animals and the
impoundment: of animals and the collection of fees . It is again ,
with the regard to impoundment , the fees are those that are set by
the municipality . We collect them for you and we turn them over to
you but it ' s your job to set the fee . In the Town of Ithaca it is
$ 10 for the first offense , $ 20 for the second offense and $ 30 for
the third offense . That ' s the minimum , there is no maximum that
the Town is entitled to set . But to give you an idea , the City for
instance charges $ 15 for the first offense , $ 40 for the second
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offense and $ 60 for the third offense , or almost twice what the
Town does „
Mr . Knappen went on to say that if the Town increased their license
fees by $ 7 . 00 per dog , which the Town is entitled to do under the
statute , that would generate an additional $ 6 , 900 and if you
increased your impoundment fees to just the level the City has and
nothing more than that you would create another $ 1 , 760 . If your
enumeration were in line with statistics we have with the rest of
the County , you would increase the fees that are available to you
by somewhere in the neighborhood of $ 17 , 000 . That ' s a lot of money
for a few fees . So that you also know , in trying to figure out
what you are paying for , we have tried to rationalize this again
among all the municipalities , they are getting basically the same
services and we have gone to everyone of the municipalities on the
same percentage breakdown . That is , you have a rate that is your
percentage of strays that we pick up , you have a rate that is your
percentage of impounded animals and we mix those two percentages
together , they are very close , and we cone out with 17 . 6 % . The
City , for instance , is at substantially more than that almost twice
that . What you get for that is that the SPCA maintains three
licensed animal control officers , we provide week day service for
all calls and we also provide 24-hour per day emergency service for
dangerous animals . We have vehicles , vans that are operated for
those animal control officers . We provide you , we think , with
effective dog control and that means a reduction of strays . A
reduction of strays has a number of immediate benefits to the
community . There are less problems with accidents , property damage
and unsanitary conditions , which all occur when strays are not
controlled . Another thing that we do that most people don ' t
realize ic.; that we perform a pretty important health function .
Every animal that is redeemed or adopted out of the SPCA , that is
every animal that is not destroyed , is vaccinated against rabies .
We require that so even if an owner shows up before they can take
their dog they have to show proof that it has been vaccinated . You
may or may not know, but there have been two confirmed cases of
rabies in Chemung County , that is the closest it has been now .
Obviously , if you control the stray population and if you increase
the number of vaccinations into the population you increase the
resistance of having rabies in Tompkins County . Frankly , we
believe that we may face , in 1991 the year we are talking about , we
may face a. substantial increase in the number of calls that are
going to be associated with dangerous animals . Even if it is not
actually a rabid animal , as public awareness of the possibility of
rabies increases the number of calls that we will have to respond
to on an Emergency basis is going to increase dramatically . You
all get the use of our animal shelter . He did not know how many
people had actually had the chance to see it but it is up on
Hanshaw Road , we maintain separate kennel facilities and runs , they
are weatherproofed , we have an isolation ward , we have sanitary
facilities ,, we operate even a computerized lost and found service
for all animals so that when an animal comes in we can match its
license and call the owner without them having to first think about
where it might have been taken . The fifth thing you get is the
collection of the fines and fees and the issuing of tickets . As
animals come in and are identified , if their license fees have not
been paid , tickets are issued which results again in fees that will
come back to the Town . We charge and collect the impoundment fees
before people take their animals away and we account for and turn
over those funds on a quarterly basis to the Town . There have been
in Tompkins County other people who have offered to perform the dog
control function and when we have taken back municipalities from
people who have been dissatisfied with those services , we find that
those operations which are for profit somtinles don ' t bother to
return the fees over , they collect them and view that as a form of
their fees . The bottom line is really this , the dog control
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function is a State mandated function , it has to be performed by
the municipalities . So if the municipalities were to do it
themselves they would have to have , by statute , the dog control
officers , they have to have a pound where animals can be contained .
Obviously that means they would have to have the other things , the
vehicles , the equipment , kennel help , the administrative staff and
all of those things . In essence , we provide that service to the
Town and the other municipalities on a per dog basis , it ' s really a
user fee and we view it as a user fee and think that if the
enumeration is properly done and if the fines are raised to the
levels that other municipalities are doing that in fact , the Town
would suffer no loss in revenues to the Town as result of the
increase . But this basis that we are using , we are using for every
municipality . You may ask one last thing , you may ask how did you
get by on half as much last year . Well , guess what we did because
we get donations to the SPCA and instead of using those on
educational functions or public health functions or anything else ,
we have to use those donations and indeed cut into our capital for
the purpose of paying for the municipal services that the
municipalities are mandated to have . What we really would like to
do , we would like to get back to a situation where all the
municipalities pay their fair share and to that end we have tried
to work with the courts in each municipality to make sure that the
tickets are issued , collected and paid and that they are followed
up on . III the City of Ithaca , for instance , who got us started
down this road two years ago , in fact that now the single most
successful item of things that they have on the City court
calendar . It ' s the highest return for appearances and for payment
of fines . In any event , we believe it ought to be on a pay as you
go basis . That the donations we receive ought not to be used to
pay for the municipal services that the municipalities , by State
law , are obligated to provide .
Councilwoman Valentino remarked , on your neutering of your animals ,
do they go over to the Cornell clinic ?
Stephanie Schaff replied , when animals are adopted from the shelter
the person adopting is required to leave a spaying or neutering
deposit if we have no good indication the animal has not already
been spayed or neutered . That money is returned to the person when
they can :provide us with proof the animal has been spayed or
neutered . The Veterinary College does provide us , during the
school year , the service of altering three dogs or cats , our
choice , each week during the semester but we don ' t require persons
adopting to take their animal to any one veterinary . We have one
other fund that we use for spaying or neutering of strays or owner
surrendered animals call the Lilac Fund which is used for spaying
and neutering older , somewhat less attractive animals that no one
might want .
Councilman Valentino stated that someone had told her that when
they call now for a stray dog that is wandering around , that they
are told that they are supposed to catch and contain the dog .
Ms . Schaff replied , people at the desk might ask if it is contained
but if it is not we will just do what we call a special patrol or a
patrol by .request . We will go out to the area where the dog was
spotted , once or twice a day and see if we can catch it . They are
not required to catch the dog .
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked , since you obviously have these
statistics she felt it might be helpful to the Board if the SPCA
would be willing to share those comparable charges for services you
went through rather rapidly , what the City charges , what other
municipalities charge . We would also like to have some idea of the
charges to other municipalities . Also , we will need a new
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contract . The Supervisor went on to say that she found it
interesting that they felt the Town was under enumerated , if you
have those statistics they would be helpful also .
Ms . Schaff noted that the Town of Lansing had just an extremely
accurate Enumeration and they found out they actually had more dogs
than we estimated they would have . She felt they were dealing with
a similar population to the Town of Ithaca in terms of population
increase .
Councilman Klein asked if the enumerators got a fee to do that?
Ms . Schaff' replied yes , it is worked out by the Town and is usually
done on a dog counted basis .
Mr . Knappen remarked that he did not have the figures for all of
municipalities but Lansing has 13 , 083 dogs for a census population
in 1990 of 9 , 200 people . The Town has 17 , 700 people and it is
presently enumerated with 987 dogs so it is obviously out of whack .
He felt a good enumeration could produce roughly one dog for every
eight people . Presently the Town of Ithaca is showing one for
every twenty people . Our estimate used on one in ten would take
the enumeration to 1 , 700 which is almost twice what you presently
enumerate . He noted that in addition to the dog control they did
have a contract with the County that handles cats , bats and
livestock and that represents the balance of our budgeted funds .
Councilman Niklas remarked that some of the other figures he felt
the Board needed to see was the raw data upon which the 17 . 6 % is
based . He stated that he would like to see the total numbers of
activities in terms of dog impoundments and he would like to see
the numbers for each of the municipalities that are listed to
double check to see if the 17 . 6% is actually reflective of what the
Town of Ithaca ' s share is . If we are going to get into a contract
we might as well check the raw numbers .
Both Ms . Schaaf and Mr . Knappen agreed it would be no problem to
provide these figures and they would be more than willing to come
again and discuss this in greater detail .
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked , let ' s get the information in
that we requested , if you don ' t mind doing that , and then as a
Board they could decide whether or not it would be necessary for
any of thenn to cane back to explain any of the materials .
Town Attorney Barney asked , what is the $ 21 , 700 capital
improvements in your budget?
Ms . Schaaf replied , we have a rapidly aging shelter , we have two
roofs on the facility , one unfortunately that was put up in the
1940 ' s that is in the process of failing and about a 15 to 17 year
old roof that we think we can repair . We have cement floors that
have been coated with material called ( corlinall? ? ? ) that in one
case needs to be repaired and in the other case totally needs to be
replaced , :in the cat room and in the office . We have a number of
other physical plant projects . We have two vans that have in
excess of 1. 00 , 000 miles and we are anticipating their life will not
be that much longer .
AUGUST FINANCIAL REPORT
RESOLUTION NO . 220
Motion by Councilman Niklas ; seconded by Councilman Liguori ,
Town Board Minutes 11 September 10 , 1990
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby approve
the August Financial Report , as presented .
(Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
LOCATION OF PROPOSED ROAD AND OTHER PUBLIC UTILITIES FOR PROPOSED
TILITZ SUBDIVISION
Supervisor Raffensperger stated that this item has been removed
from the agenda .
CODES & OF'DINANCE REFERRAL WITH RESPECT TO SPECIAL APPROVALS
Councilman. Niklas stated that on page 49 of the Consultant
Planner ' s Report that came before the Town , it was recammended to
shift the granting of special permits from the ZBA to the Planning
Board . On March 27th , he stated that he received a letter from
Councilman Klein pointing this out and asking the Codes & Ordinance
Committee to begin a discussion about this issue . It was followed
up by a memorandum dated June 12th from the CAC in which three
issues were asked to be discussed by the COC . But , number one on
that memorandum is in particular reference to the Consultant
Planner ' s :Report and recommendation . Councilman Niklas stated that
he called Ron Brand and then received a letter dated July 31st ,
asking for clarification and rationale for his recommendation . His
rather lengthy response , at least two pages , is copies for you .
Also today , it wasn ' t in the original package he did not think , but
there is a copy of a memorandum dated September 8 , 1980 which shows
that historically this issue has come before the Town at least a
decade ago . There was a memorandum that bears the names of a
number of people like Henry Aron , who are currently on the ZBA and
were on the Planning Board at the time . If you look through that
memorandum and the page number , he believed , is actually missing
but it is page 86 , XVI , in which it essentially is being
recommended that special permits be authorized by the Planning
Board . If you go on to the next page , page 87 , towards the middle
it says , " the application shall be considered by the Planning Board
at a public hearing" . So it ' s fairly obvious that at that time
there was a recommendation , 10 years ago , that special permits be
dealt with by the Planning Board . It has become a continuous issue
at C&O , there is disagreement as to what we should do . There is
the opinion that we should retain the present configuration of
granting special permits , there is obviously recommendations from
CAC , the Consultant Planner and even a historical recommendation
dated 1980 ,, also a recommendation from a current seated Town Board
member that special permits be granted by the Planning Board . He
stated that he has even recommended at COC a compromise , which he
would be happy to explain but he felt they might as well get the
arguments pro and con out right now and since the Town Attorney is
one of the! people who is not now
with altering or tinkering
with our current state of affairs , he stated that he would let the
Town Attorney give the arguments for retaining the current state of
affairs .
Town Attorney John Barney stated that he always articulates his
views as his role of attorney at these meetings and obviously the
policy decision as to where the power should lie will be a Board
decision . He went on to say that there are three reasons why he
thought there was no reason to change . First , he felt a number of
Mr . Brown ' s assertions were flawed , he did not want to take the
time to go through them but the principal one where is says there
is not criteria established for the granting of special approvals .
And in fact , we have a fairly exhausted list of about seven or
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eight criteria which are in place in our Zoning Ordinance now,
granting of special approvals which the Board of Zoning Appeals
plays a minimum of lip service to . He stated that he was puzzled
over some of the comments which does not show his comprehension of
what our current law is . But leaving that aside , the vast majority
of Counties or Towns over the years have placed the granting of
special approvals power with the Boards of Zoning Appeal . There
are legions of litigated cases involving the granting or denial of
special approvals . He felt it was a gold mine for lawyers . When
you read the titles of the cases you will read more often than not ,
so and so against the Board of Zoning Appeals . The vast majority ,
historically , of the places where the power has been laid is with
the Board of Zoning Appeals . Now does that mean it should be there
necessarily in our particular situation? He stated that he did not
think there was anything magical that says it has to be with the
Zoning Board of Appeals . Legislatively , the Town law authorizes
both boards to have it , there is a provision that specifically says
the Town :Board may delegate to the Board of Zoning Appeals the
authority to hear and decide such matters as may be referred to it
under it ' s ordinance . That has been generally construed over the
years by the courts to say it includes the special permit process .
There is also a provision in Section 274 ( a) of the Town Law which
is more recent which specifically says it can be given to the
Planning Board . Although it said there , he thought in a more
confining way than the Town tends to use special approvals in the
Town ' s Zoning Ordinance because it seems to really be related to
site plans in that section and in dealing with the Planning Board .
The Town Attorney went on to say that probably the most , in his
mind , from an observer of the Town ' s activities over the last four
or five years , he would suggest you may not want to change it for
two reasons . First , he felt in terms of relative work loads , right
now the Town Planning Board has a phenomenal amount of items on its
plate . when he goes to a Town Planning Board meeting the midnight ,
twelve thirty , certainly eleven to eleven thirty is pretty
regularly the adjournment hour because of matters that are coming
legitimately and must cane before them . Development review being
the most crucial , but there are other matters involving the
Comprehensive Planning process that is going on , the review of some
of the statutory changes to the Zoning Ordinance which must ccmne
before the Planning Board for review . But they have a very , very
heavy agenda . They are meeting two and in same cases , three times
a month . They are long meetings and they are fairly involved . On
the other hand , the ZBA for whatever reason , is now meeting only
once a month and their meetings tend to run , he could safely say he
was usually out of there by 9 : 30 or 10 : 00 P . M . . It could be partly
due to the different approaches of the chairperson but he did not
think it was all related to that . There are not that many matters
that the ZBA is involved with on an ongoing basis where the
Planning Board is heading for a relative load situation . You are
putting a heavier load on the Planning Board should you choose to
change this . Finally , he thought , the argument that he would make
and had made with Councilman Niklas was that our system seems to be
working , there may be an occasional disgruntled citizen who did not
like the results of a decision but he did not think that in and of
itself was a basis for changing a board . The decision that one
board made may very well have been decided the same by the other
board . He thought the issue really was is the system working
generally well and in his view as a fairly disinterested observer
of it , it seems to be working well here in the Town and he guessed
that if it ain ' t broken why fix it and guessed that is what he
would pass along for the Board ' s consideration . All of that being
said , that is all largely policy and he knew he had moved over into
the Board ' s providence on that and he would say from a purely legal
standpoint there is no reason why you can ' t leave it where it is
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now or put it with the Planning Board , it ' s just a matter of
drafting the legislation .
Councilman Niklas replied that he would like to give the arguments
for changing the systems . He went on to say that it is true some
aspects , lie was going through the points in essentially the same
order the Town Attorney did , essentially for arguments . The
rationale provided by Ron Brand is flawed , second , that there is an
historical. basis of perspective and that is that most other
municipalities provide their ZBA ' s with the authority to grant
special approvals , the third is relative work loads and the fourth
argument is if it ' s working why tinker with it . He stated that he
agreed that sane aspects of Ron Brands letter are flawed but he
thought the principal argument as he reads it , which is in the
letter and which is not flawed is that special permits are
essentially a planning function . That really has to be dealt with
in terms of our Planning staff and the Planning Board . Two , the
historical perspective , in other words that other municipalities
have their- ZBA ' s granting special approvals rather than Planning
Boards . He stated that he did not find that particularly
compelling in light of number one , and the question is who is
essentially doing the planning in this Town , is it the ZBA or the
Planning Board and the Planning staff? The third is relative work
loads , he stated that he should point out that special permit
approvals involve the Town Planning Board anyway . Essentially
review aspects of the projects before they end up going to the ZBA
so he did not see where this is going to be particularly lightening
the workloads of our Planning Board . He stated that he agreed that
it is right now very heavy but he felt when the Comprehensive
Planning document is fully drafted and we get a much more
stabilized view as to what the Town ' s objectives are with regard to
growth and development and organization , he stated that he was
optimistic that the work loads will diminish and that there will be
greater efficiency . Fourth argument is that if it is working why
tinker with it , not to be glid but if that logic was used
throughout the history of mankind we would probably still be
fighting rabies by putting a hot branding iron on the spot that the
dog bit . We would not have innovation , we would not have
experimentation , we would not get improvement . Therefore , he was
of the opinion that the system should be changed , and that the
Board should grant the authority of special permits to the Planning
Board .
Councilman Niklas went on to say that he had mentioned that he had
a compromise in mind , and he would mention it now so that all
possibilitLes are at least explored here . Since the Planning Board
and the ZBA are already involved with dealing with the issue of
special permits and since Planning Staff is involved , it was
recommended and he stated that he would endorse it , that if want
not to polarize the issue , that is if we want to reach a compromise
it might be that the compromise would be that something , a special
permit would have to be approved by the Planning Board before it
got to the deliberation of the ZBA . Essentially , he believed that
special permits were so important an aspect of the Town ' s growth
and development , so important in terms of what we do for our
future , that it would not be inordinate to require these two Boards
to pass judgement . He felt it should be first the Planning Board
because it is primarily a planning function and that once it was
approved at that level it goes to ZBA because he thought their
purview was more with the expertise of the legalities of the
situations and he would like to see sane judgement at that level as
well .
Town Planner Beeners stated that she was sorry she had missed the
Codes and Ordinance discussion of this , however she had been
interest in this for a few years and she did include a little part
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of the proposed work plan that she had submitted back in November
and February to the COC . She went on to say that Mr . Brand did not
indicate in his letter of recommendation that one of his additional
recommendations was that the Town have institutional use zones .
She thought that the intent of that , actual institutional use zones
were something that was looked at in the proposed 1980 zoning
ordinance as well . She stated that she did not have any specific
feelings pro or cons to them except it was one of the consultants
recommendations and what she sees as a pattern is that as Cornell
and IC develop their generic environmental impact statements and
their master plans that what would be looked at as an end result of
that would be the setting out of specific criteria for their uses
and a way we could expedite the review of their project . If they
are really simple projects then it would be an easier matter to get
through than one that went above some thresholds . So , she would
imagine that they might be looking at , in the comp plan , if Mr .
Brand is consistent , a use zone , which would be sanething that
would be considered by the Town Board and might be something where
the Planning Board , working with sane very specific criteria , would
be doing ;site plan approvals for Cornell and IC uses and perhaps
even for such things as the Biggs Center area . Mr . Brand was also
a little upset about our special land use districts , why do we have
so many . So she guessed that she was basically trying to say that
we might see some rezonings coming out of the plan that would
expedite the process and set forth sane more rigid standards for
the major special abuses which are now special approvals . If that
happens then where she would see the Zoning Board as perhaps being
very important would be deciding whether a school or a hospital was
appropriate in sanething that was zoned R- 15 or R-9 , a zone that is
predominately residential . We have sort of a troublesome or
nuisance use such as a school , hospital or golf course canes along
and wants -to plop itself down in a R-15 area the decision could be ,
let ' s zone that institutional or an alternate decision could be
let ' s make that samething that both the Planning Board and the
Zoning Board have to look at very carefully , with the Zoning Board
granting special approval . You would have institutional use zones ,
possibly special approvals by the ZBA for institutional uses in
non-institutional areas and then you would have a whole third area
which would be the minor special permit . That would be for such
things as increased occupancy in R-9 Districts , that is now
sanething that you have to go to the ZBA . Right now there are a
few very minor special permits things , building heights for garages
on sloping sites or set backs for garages on sloping sites where
they want to build it right close to the road , that ' s a special
permit right now. That ' s the kind of thing the ZBA should not have
to deal with . She felt the bottom line of Mr . Brands letter is
that no matter what board is involved , the criteria should be
approved belt she felt in his making that kind of a recommendation
to the Town he should also acknowledge his recommendation about
institutional use zones and no special land use districts .
Councilman Niklas remarked , the particulars of how we would deal
with this he felt could be thrashed out at COC . He felt what he
was looking for right now was just an arrow to point them in the
direction because he did not as Chair of COC want to essentially
misrepresent the desires of the Town Board as to what it really
wants so that is why they came back to you . If you will give us a
feeling for what you like then COC will thrash out the details and
cone beforE! you with a recommendation . If you desire not to change
things then this issue will be over with here .
Supervisor Raffensperger replied , that is what she was going to
ask . What do you want from us ?
Councilman Klein remarked , just to touch on a few points that
Councilman Niklas raised , he thought the ZBA ' s function , in his
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opinion , :really should be for variances . He thought the expertise
and the review of site plans really rests with the Planning Board .
He thought that that was why when you tie special approvals , which
really isn ' t a variance function , because the Zoning Ordinance say
yes , this , this and this can go in a district subject to a site
plan approval . He really felt the Planning Board was the
appropriate body to review that site plan . He went on to say that
as he recalled over his tenure on the Planning Board there were
instances where it wasn ' t simplified because the BZA got a request
and they referred it to the Planning Board . So actually it
involved both boards and obviously another four to six weeks while
it was being kicked around . He thought , although he sympathized
with the work load of the Planning Board , he thought it might be a
little bit. streamlined to put that power within the Planning Board .
He thought: it was a little less confusing to the public as well in
terms of authority and in terms of what was going on . The BZA
really doers variances , hardships , those very specific criteria that
they deal with and they did not really have the expertise and the
experience to deal with special approvals . He kind of would like
to have the Planning Board have the power to issue the special
permits .
Councilman Whitcomb asked Councilman Niklas what was the feeling of
the membership of Codes & Ordinance Committee , is it sort of a
majority opinion or are you at an impasse , divided or ?
Councilman Niklas replied that he would say it was basically John
and himself arguing .
Town Attorney John Barney remarked that actually the meetings have
not been overly attended as we might have liked it , so there have
been times when you could say it was divided . Councilman Niklas
was on one side and he was on the other side .
Councilman Niklas replied , that was another good reason for
bringing it to the front and also as a courtesy to John we were not
going to discuss this until he was in attendance .
Building Inspector/ Zoning Officer Andrew Frost stated that
generally , except for the month of August , the Zoning Board of
Appeals has two meetings a month . He stated that he would not say
that they have more time on their hands than they like , he had also
attended Planning Board meetings and had set there until twelve
o ' clock at night . Planning Board meetings take much more time than
the Zoning Board , but typically the Zoning Board does meet twice a
month . He stated that he would try to be objective because in the
end if this moves onto the Planning Board it would mean less work
for him, so he really didn ' t have sides . But , when we talk about
variances , a use variance is a very major change . Someone can crane
to the Zoning Board for a use variance without ever going to the
Planning E;oard and ask for something which is perhaps a very
dramatic change of use in a residential zone , for example . So when
you bring -up that they should only deal with variances he assumed
the Board was aware that the Zoning Board does deal with variances .
They are dealing with a very major change in use in a site plan
which perhaps the Planning Board would perhaps deliberate until two
o ' clock in the morning . So he felt the responsibility , even just
with variances the Zoning Board has , is significant . Within the
Zoning Ordinance he did not think there was a use of the word
special permit which everyone has talked about . They talk about
Special approval which is essentially special permits . With
non-conformung uses , Section 56 of the Zoning Ordinance there is
nothing for the Planning Board , the extension of non-conforming use
is solely :by terms of the Ordinance , authorization by the Zoning
Board .
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Supervisor Raffensperger remarked , but we are not talking about
non-conforming uses .
Town Attorney Barney replied , but that is one form of special
approval that is currently in our Zoning Ordinance ,
Mr . Frost replied , it is either a variance or special approval .
Town Planner Beeners added , or a special permit .
Mr . Frost replied , which is special approval .
Councilman Niklas remarked , needless to say we will go through
these definitions very carefully .
Mr . Frost remarked never the less the Planning Board , he stated
that he could provide statistics in terms of how many special
approvals specific to Cornell , how many authorizations , special
approvals , special permits , however you want to label it , have been
for extensions of non-conforming uses . With any special approval
process which is virtually anything other than use in a residential
zone , that is a permitted use , you are talking about specifically a
recommendation by the Planning Board to the Zoning Board . There is
no reference to the site plan but in essence that is what the
Planning Board is doing is doing a site plan , making a
recommendation to the Zoning Board . It was a little unclear to
him , even if the Board were to come up with what was termed an
industrial or institutional zone it still seemed consistent , at
least if applied the same way that the ordinance now deals with
things other than residental that we would still be going to the
Planning Board/ Zoning Board even if it were an institutional zone .
He stated that he knew for himself , in some cases , he feels safer
in referring something to the Zoning Board for a decision often
than making a decision for himself .
Town Attorney Barney remarked that he probably should have
introduced the topic a little bit by saying what is it we are
dealing with here in terms of a special approval because he thought
it was important . He stated that he recognized what Councilman
Klein was saying in terms of planning process and the importance of
the process . But when you talk about a special approval you assume
a planning process has already occurred because the assumption is
that the use you are taking about is a permitted use in a zone .
For example , in residence zones we do allow a hospital , he thought ,
but only on special approval . Now, the thought of allowing the
hospital v1 the first place is really where the planning has come
in . We take a look at it and we said in general hospitals are not
an inconsistent use in a residential zone . He stated that that
holds true . . . . Susan did a very nice sketchy kind of an
outline . . . but on the third or fourth page where we have churches ,
schools , parks , fire stations and golf courses , all of these , by
the terms of the Zoning Ordinance , permitted in the various uses
subject to obtaining special approval . Why have them obtain
special approval ? Well because you want the ability to put some
conditions on it if necessary to prevent something from happening ,
to basically protect in a given particular circumstance in the
surrounding areas . He went on to say that a large majority of the
variances we see will have one or more conditions , of one sort or
another . That is basically what you are doing with special
approvals , in the overall comprehensive plan for the Town as
reflected in our Zoning Ordinance we are permitting in residential
zones , parks , hospitals , golf courses , rooming houses but somebody
has to look at them and say okay , in this particular circumstance
these criteria must be met and these conditions if necessary
imposed . But if that should be the Planning Board or the ZBA he
thought they were both equally capable of making those decisions
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and he did come back to his and Councilman Niklas ' terms ,
tinkering . The BZA has done an incredible job over the years , why
change it ?
Councilman Liguori remarked , what you just said , he felt , was the
crux of the whole thing in his opinion . These are uses which the
Town has recognized as being legitimate uses within the Town of
Ithaca within certain zones and as such each one of these cases it
is not necessary to review it in terms of doing a comprehensive
plan and see whether this particular thing is desirable or not
desirable . He stated that he had been through this with the
hospital and also with the County buildings up on Trumansburg Road
and he found that the ZBA handled these things in a very business
like fashion . It was not a debating society . They looked at the
thing based upon what the requirements were and if you could meet
the requirements within reason they decided usually that it was
okay . But. you had to meet the requirement .
Councilman Klein remarked , you were before the Planning Board he
thought .
Councilman. Liguori replied , no . He went on to say that it is the
Planning :staff who really does the site plan review and tell you
what the requirements are and do the review before it ever goes to
the ZBA . He stated that he thought the system was working very
well the way it is and he was not sure he understood why the change
wants to be made . He stated that he had not heard a decent
explanation as to why it should be changed .
Councilman Niklas replied that he could repeat the ones that he
thought were most compelling and that is , that these issues are
merely a planning function .
Councilman Liguori replied , you have said that several times . Tell
me why ?
Councilman Niklas replied we can permit , for example , the
construction of a hospital in a residential area but as we have
just heard , the fact that we permit it does not mean that we should
not evaluate imposing some control over how large that hospital is ,
how it is configured , where it dovetails into the community ,
neighboring residential areas . Now , the real question is , where is
the expertise best in the Town to provide some stipulations , some
regulations , some evaluations of something that we all agreed
generically is permissible but in each particular case has to be
evaluated in context . He stated that his argument was that that
expertise best resides in the Planning staff and the Town Planning
Board . This suggestion to change the system is not a criticism of
the ZBA , it ' s simply a simple question of logic and that is where
is our expertise in this area ? To him , the Planning Board by the
name and its experience is the place to reside that authority .
Councilman Liguori replied that he would take issue with Councilman
Niklas ' last statement . That is a conclusive opinion that the
Planning Board has more expertise than does the ZBA .
Councilman Niklas replied , you are right it is subjective .
Councilman Whitcomb remarked that he thought that just because a
use is permitted in a given zone , an R- 30 zone or a R-15 zone does
not mean that it should be allowed to happen just any where in that
zone . There is a tremendous variation in topography , in highway
systems and adjacent density , etc . , and he thought it was
appropriate that a site plan approval ought to take place at the
Planning . Board level in those situations . It may legal , but
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whether or not it conforms to other types of planning issues and
planning criteria should be decided by the Planning Board .
Town Attorney Barney replied that once you put it in the ordinance
and say that it is there you had better be careful about turning it
down and carefully regulating it because you have made the
legislative decision to do it and then if you withhold it , in fact
we had one of these cases in the City where the City had it zones
for a couple of two family houses and a client of our went in and
made application and everything and the City for reasons that were
unrelated to the zoning , said increase density , said you can ' t do
it . The Courts said that is a consideration you made when you
zoned it for two family houses , you can ' t now go back and hold that
back , it has to be there legally and legally they have the right to
do its &:) you have to be careful about what the regulations are
going to :be was all he was saying . If you don ' t want hospitals
there at all then you don ' t allow them but once you say a hospital
can be there and you establish a criteria , a person can come in and
say we meet these criteria , it ' s an Article 78 Proceeding and
probably an indefensible one if it is turned down .
Councilman. Whitcomb replied , but who can better impose those
conditions ?
Town Attorney Barney replied , as long as those conditions bear some
resemblance to , . . . . she stated that quite frankly , his experience
with the ZBA , the ZBA has probably been a little bit more aware ,
legally , over the years than the Planning Board has . He stated
that he would not say that as a general statement because he sits
at both meetings but the ZBA has three lawyers now and have a
fairly goof idea of what legally can and cannot be done .
Councilman Liguori remarked that the real competency in planning is
the Planning staff and he felt that if the Board did not recognize
that they were all in trouble . It is the staff that really gives
the information to whatever board is involved , or body is involved
and they in turn can make the decision based upon the information
received . You can ' t expect the lay boards to be the experts in
terms of identifying potential problems and impacts and how best to
solve them . It is the staff that does that and they do it just as
well whether they are serving the ZBA or the Planning Board ,
Councilman Niklas remarked , that was his point precisely .
Councilwomen Leary remarked , the Planning Board even as a lay board
has more experience in dealing with planning issues and making
those kinds of decisions .
Councilman Liguori replied some members do , yes . But he felt the
Board also had to recognize that there are neighborhood politics
involved and all of these things and sometimes these neighborhood
politics begin to bear more influence perhaps than is necessary to
make those decisions that have to be made .
Councilman Niklas replied , by implication you feel that the
Planning Board is more susceptible to that?
Councilman Liguori replied absolutely , he would say that was true .
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked that if there seemed to be
consensus of the Board that we want Codes & Ordinances to proceed
to look at the possibility of the Planning Board issuing special
approvals , that seems clear that the Board in general feels that
way , and she felt that probably how the Board would eventually come
down has to do with the system you set up . The definitions and
that sort of thing because this is a very broad discussion of
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special approvals which in her mind falls into a lot of different
categories , some more or less appropriate for different boards .
She went on to say that she , at least , would like to see that sort
of thing . We have only had these so called special approvals for a
little whale .
SET DATE FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PROPOSED CHANGES BY CODES &
ORDINANCE OF SECTION 70 OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE RELATING TO THE
EXTRACTION OR DEPOSIT OF FILL AND UNRELATED PRODUCTS
Supervisor Raffensperger noted that the Board had two different
versions of this because the Planning Board looked at it the other
night and made scene recommendations for change .
Councilman Niklas remarked that in scanning both copies it looks
like the major revision was on page 2 with the addition of item 4
and that :is the removal , movement or deposit of not more than 500
cubic yards of fill in an Agriculture Zone , etc . , etc . .
Town Attorney Barney noted two additional changes , one on the first
page them was a discussion of the adverse consequences to the
visual effect . Then on page two , we had talked about removal of
fill of 500 cubic yards from on site to off site and it was raised
at the Planning Board that it might be worthwhile to regulate even
in the conjunction of a normal building permit , importation .
Councilman. Niklas remarked , the Planning staff and our Engineer
felt that modification of Section 70 was most desirable because
there was soil moving activities that currently are permitted that
our Planning staff and Engineering staff would like to be made
aware of . He went on to say that happily Codes & Ordinances was in
full consensus .
Councilman Liguori asked where the figure of 500 cubic yards had
come from as he felt it was a very small amount to be worried
about ? He remarked that he would like to hear some discussion on
that and he would like to hear some discussion on a possible
nuisance . There are always people who will consider any kind of
earth movement as a possible nuisance and he felt the Board needed
to define what is meant by that . The same way with adverse
drainage , he thought they were talking about unmitigatable drainage
problems . All of these have some potential for adverse drainage if
you don ' t do the job right . During construction there is going to
be nuisance , there is going to be a visual problem .
Councilman Niklas replied , that you have to read a little further
up , starting with "The Board shall not act until the Town Engineer
has reviewed such plan and advised the Board in his professional
opinion " . In other words essentially what we are doing is , we are
authorizing the Town Engineer and his staff to look at a site plan
in terms of these criteria and he thought that the definitions and
the extent to which nuisance or adverse drainage is defined will be
done so under the professionalism of the Engineer . This is just a
wording as to the types of things that the staff would look into .
What we would be saying is , how do we define nuisance.? We define
nuisance on the basis of the professionalism of our staff .
Councilman Liguori replied no , you define nuisance according to the
public who are going to be coming to these hearings .
Councilman Niklas replied that may be true but the point is that at
least in the terms of how this is structured we are asking the Town
Engineer to review any plans and to advise the Board . There is
nothing ever to prevent the public from coming and complaining
about whether or not an activity like this is going to be
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authorized by the Town Planning Board . And , that is not what we
are tying to legislate against or for . We are simply asking that
when something like this is being planned , that our Town Planning
staff have an opportunity to be aware of it and to evaluate it .
There is nothing here about suppressing or fostering of public
activities in regard to a site plan approval . That ' s not what is
being planned .
Councilman Liguori asked the Town Engineer if he had any trouble in
saying that this will not cause a nuisance ?
Town Engineer Dan Walker replied that as he read the intent of the
nuisance and visual disturbance with the effects of the project
after it was completed and the plan , to him, would have to show
provisions that it would be colleted and that it would be
protected as far as erosion control . He stated that he would
consider a nuisance as sediment running into the Town ditches or
running across a neighbors land or flooding someones land . There
will always be some amount of nuisance during construction , there
is going -to be noise maybe some dust but again adequate provisions
to minimize that disturbance would have to be included .
Councilman Liguori replied that he would like to see those kinds of
words in the legislation . We are talking about minimizing
nuisances ,. minimizing visual impact and recognizing that during
construction there may well be visual impact . There will be visual
impacts if anybody is near by , there will be scene dust . These need
to be recognized as part of the operation and after the job is
completed then you would be certifying that the drainage would be
proper and erosion would be controlled according to what is
proposed . He went on to say that what he was afraid of was that
people will look at this and attempt to use the wording that is in
here to oppose a particular project that is involving some earth
moving . " our own sewer projects are a nuisance to everybody within
the immediate area .
Councilman. Klein remarked , you will notice that those are exempt .
Councilman. Liguori replied oh sure . Earth movement is a nuisance ,
it is a visual impact .
Councilman Niklas remarked that it did not just say the Town ' s
septic field or septic system . There is some equitability here and
he wanted to point out that somehow this piece of legislation is
being described in polarized terms which for the record , he
objected to .
Councilman Liguori replied that for the record he also objected to
the way it was written now .
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked that she wondered if it was
possible to take into account the concerns . First of all where we
have nuisance or detriment she wondered , if the word "possible "
could be deleted? That does seem sort of indefinite but she did
not know if that was any kind of a solution . Then , up above where
it says "adequately protects the property and surroundings
properties from adverse consequences " , she wondered if that could
be modified in some way to exclude short term adverse consequences ,
which there always are . But if we could say long term or . . . . .
Councilman Niklas replied that he thought all of that could be
changed with one phrase and that is to stipulate that the final
site , after the completion of the construction . He stated that he
agreed with what Councilman Liguori was saying and that was that
during site activity you are going to have some erosion , you are
going to have some drainage problems , you are going to have some
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nuisance but he thought the point here is that when it is all
finished these activities should not be a permanent detriment to
the property or the surrounding properties .
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked , if you say the final plan
adequately protects the property and surrounding properties from
permanent adverse consequences or such deposit or removal .
Town Attorney Barney replied , you still don ' t want to have
unnecessary obnoxious activities during the course of the work .
There is no reason to pile a whole pile of mud on somebody ' s
boundary :Line where it is going to cause a tremendous inconvenience
when it could have been piled in some other location . He felt it
should cover both aspects , the final situation as well as the
interim .
Councilman Niklas remarked , how about where it says surrounding
properties from adverse consequences , could we change that
"adverse " to "unnecessary consequences " , we already have adverse
drainage , erosion or other visual or other adverse impacts and he
felt the issue here was unnecessary or necessary and avoidable
consequences .
Supervisor Raffensperger replied that down below that where it
talks about , that the Board may include a time limit upon
operations , in that section if you would say " a time limit and
performance standards " , she wasn ' t exactly sure but that sentence
kinds of deals with the process of doing as opposed to the
eventual .
Town Engineer Walker remarked that in the requirements in applying
for the approval , submitting the report or plan , he thought that we
should have a statement about erosion control plan and construction
schedule or something along that line that would fit in with the
statement on the bottom, completion within a reasonable time and
conditions . The plan needs to include the erosion control plan and
a projected schedule of work or plan of work . This addressed the
final project but also the interim . Under these other items that
are larger, and are exempt from this legislation are requirements
under site plan approval already included requirements , this was
meant to catch those that are falling through the cracks .
Councilman Niklas replied that essentially he felt the Town had
adequate control about the activities where a site plan approval is
required before a building permit is issued , this really addresses
the activity where soil activity , soil moving , filling can be
instigated currently without a site plan approval and without a
building permit . The staff really feels beyond a certain limited
activity the Town really needs not only to be aware of it but to
also be able to control unnecessary nuisance , drainage and erosion
and other things . We are having situations right now within the
Town and probably will see situations where no site plan approval
is required to dump the fill from a spot where a site plan has
already been approved and we really ought to have some control of
that as well , so that is what this essentially deals with . One of
the comments that was made earlier which he felt was not addressed ,
was the 50 cubic yards . We have on the Codes & Ordinance
Committee , Harrison Rue , representative of the Ithaca Builders
Association , and all these numbers were essentially selected for
normal building activity on a site and it comes with his approval .
He stated that he did not know if 50 was the magic number but it
seemed reasonable to him and to the Committee so that was why the
picked 50 .
Councilman Klein asked what was in a standard dump truck , 70 yards ?
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Town Engineer Walker replied 10 yards so that ' s five dump truck
loads .
Councilman Niklas replied , but five loads dumped on a site and just
left there can produce quite a mess , even for the Town in terms of
erosion into neighboring culverts . We should have some
understanding of where these activities are .
Councilman Klein remarked that there have been some instances that
prior to site plan approval somebody has started doing that on a
site . A person expecting site plan approval is going ahead and
filling the site .
Councilman Liguori remarked if a person just wants to fill his lot
that is a low lying lot or whatever , or even the Elmira Road thing ,
at the time they are having it filled all they have to get is a
permit under this provision , they don ' t have to file a site plan as
to what they are going to do with the property after it is filled?
Councilman Niklas replied , no . And the wording is deposited or
removed for sale from a site and essentially if you are moving
around on a site you are not depositing or removing .
Councilman Liguori asked , how about the DEC Mining Permit ? Do we
supersede that ?
Supervisoz• Raffensperger replied , that has a fairly large number .
She went on to say that with the understanding that we have made
some changes to this and that the Town Attorney will incorporate
those into the document we have and that we will receive ten days
in advance of the public hearing the revised document .
RESOLUTION N0 , 221
Motion by Councilman Niklas ; seconded by Councilman Liguori ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca will meet and
conduct a public hearing at 7 : 00 P . M . , on October 1 , 1990 to
consider proposed changes to Section 70 of the Zoning Ordinance
relating to the extraction or deposit of fill and related products .
( Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
SET DATE FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PROPOSED CHANGES BY CODES &
ORDINANCE OF LOCAL LAW N0 , 71 1988 ( SPRINKLER LAW)
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked that there was no recommendation
from the Planning Board as this , appropriately , did not go to the
Planning Board .
Councilman Niklas noted that at a previous Town Board meeting we
discussed the desirability of exempting day care facilities from
our Town requirement for installing sprinkler systems in compliance
and parity with the State legislation dealing with this . He
thought that this legislation is a very nice way of dealing with it
and there were no descending votes at Codes & Ordinance Committee ,
Essentially what we are suggesting is that day care facilities that
are exclusively dedicated to the dealing of child care can dispense
with the sprinkler requirement provided smoke detectors are
installed in all the roans . Twelve children are the limit and that
is in compliance with State law .
Building Inspector Frost remarked that just to clarify matters ,
there is a day care operation that if it is provided in the hone
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where the day care provider resides in that home it canes under a
variety of things from group family day care to family day care ,
etc . There has been a clear effort on the State level to try to
provide for more of these types of situations where you have a
small number of children with care being provided in the home . Not
to be confused with institutional type day care where day care is
being provided in a building which is not a residence or more
specifically the day care is not being provided by the occupant of
the building . This does not exempt an institutional day care
center where it ' s more than a day care setting .
Councilman Niklas stated that he just wanted to point out that the
rationale was important here and that was that these facilities
that we are dealing with are in operation during day time hours and
the logic here is that these children are not sleeping through the
night , the adult supervisors are not asleep . Essentially if a fire
were to break out it would not be allowed to progress unnoticed for
a long period of time . Another thing is that under section 12 ,
mixed use buildings , this is an important part of the legislation
and without it we could have people slipping through the cracks of
the law .
Town Attorney Barney remarked that he could not remember why
kitchens had been excluded .
Mr . Frost replied because in kitchens you can have false alarms
from steam and cooking .
RESOLUTION' NO . 222
Motion by Councilman Niklas ; seconded by Councilman Whitcomb ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca will meet and
conduct a public hearing at 7 : 15 P . M . , on October 1 , 1990 to
consider amending Local Law # 7 , 1988 ( Sprinkler Law) .
( Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
SET DATE FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER PROPOSED CHANGES BY CODES &
ORDINANCE IN THE ZONING ORDINANCE TO ELIMINATE ADDITIONAL YARD
REQUIREMENTS ON IRREGULAR LOTS
Councilman Niklas stated that basically he thought that the
provicatiori for Codes & Ordinance looking at this was the fact that
we received a letter from Henry Aron and the ZBA indicating that
they were receiving lots of requests for variances based primarily
on the current restrictions under irregular lots , setbacks and side
yards , etc . We and the staff reviewed the rationale for this and
actually one of the most compelling arguments for revoking
essentially these stipulations was why should an individual who
owns an irregular lot be required to have more stringent setbacks
and side yard requirements than someone who happens to own a
rectangular lot . In addition , a number of other requires in terms
of building sites have been woven into the fabric of the Zoning
Ordinance , that should these parts of the current Zoning Ordinance
be removed ,, we feel we will still provide adequate protection from
adjoining lots in terms of setbacks and yardage requirements . And
so with the advise and consent of staff it seemed reasonable to
removed these from our current Zoning Ordinance ,
Town Attorney Barney remarked that he thought it had been found
from experience that a large number of lots in the Town are tossed
into a non-conforming status . That in itself is not a problem
except when anyone comes in to get a building permit to , for
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example , extend a deck on the back , put a room on or a garage they
now are forced to go to the ZBA to get an extension of a
non-conforming use because they have a non-conforming lot and their
house even though it was ten feet away from the side yard for 100
years is a non-conforming house and that coupled with what
Councilman Niklas talked about , why treat an irregular lot
different than a regular lot .
Councilman Niklas remarked , . just for the record , historically , when
these original zoning ordinances were being presented to ,
incorporated , into the Zoning Ordinance he was in the audience and
he stated that he was arguing for even more stringent setbacks and
requirements . He stated that he was merely pointing this out , that
as Chair of Codes & Ordinance , he did not thrust his vested
interest into deliberations .
Supervisor. Raffensperger remarked that perhaps there should have
been a distinction that this was for new lots and new subdivisions
but it wa;D not done at the time of enactment . She stated that she
could still make an argument for this additional ten feet but she
was not going to do it .
RESOLUTION N0 , 232
Motion by Supervisor Raffensperger , seconded by Councilman Niklas ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca will meet and
conduct a public hearing at 7 : 30 P . M . , on October 1 , 1990 to
consider F¢nending the Zoning Ordinance to eliminate additional yard
requirements on irregular lots .
( Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
PERSONS TO BE HEARD
No one in attendance wished to be heard .
EAST ITHACA WATER AGREEMENT
Town Engineer Dan Walker stated that he did not have a final
agreement , they have revised it scene . There have been discussions
with Cornell over the one issue that we have taken as a major
problem and that was an agreement that we would not set our water
rates any higher than what Cornell ' s water rate is . We are
standing pretty firm on that . The ownership of the lines will be
under the Town of Ithaca ' s control and we may end up owning it
jointly with the State of New York in certain areas . The Town of
Dryden is going to buy a valve for $ 50 , 000 and the right to keep it
open so they can put their money in and get something for it
without having to own the pipe . The Town Engineer stated that the
Town of Ithaca was being well protected , that is the main thing .
JOINT STUDY REGARDING AGMHly IT TO DETERMINE OPERATING AND
MAINTENANCE' COSTS OF JOINTLY (CITY AND 'DOWN OF ITHACA) USED SEWAGE
TRANSMISSION LINES
Supervisor Raffensperger noted that this item has a fairly long
history . For scme time the City of Ithaca has asked the Town of
Ithaca to complete an agreement which is left over from the Ithaca
Wastewater Treatment Plant negotiations . It was never settled as
to how the Town of Ithaca and to what extent would pay for the
operating and maintenance costs of joint used sewage transmission
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lines . In other words , the sewage comes to the edge of the City
and when it gets to the City it uses City lines to get the rest of
the way to the Plant . The Town of Ithaca was committed to
negotiating an agreement for these operating and maintenance costs
but it just has never been done . It is at least two and a half
years in arrears at this point . So the City of Ithaca got somewhat
impatient and one of the reasons this happened was because the Town
of Ithaca has had a number of engineers in the past few years and
one engineer would get going with it and looking at the
transmission lines and then kind of get up to speed and then we
would have a new engineer . At this time , our Town Engineer is
relatively new, he has a great deal of work to do with our capital
projects and the City has contacted her to ask if she would be
interested in then finding out what it would cost to get a
consultant to look at the whole problem . She stated that she
thought the Town should look at what it would cost with no
commitment to do it . Stearns & Wheler who have been involved in
the Ithaca Area Wastewater Treatment Plant has come up with a
proposal which would cost us jointly $ 4 , 000 to make this assessment
and come up with an equitable basis on which we would sign an
agreement . She stated that she had run this past the Town Attorney
and he made some changes in the scope of services , which she had
suggested to the City . They have no problem with the change in the
scope of service as far as she knew . But , they did not get the
revised forms over here today so she could pass then out to the
Town Board . The Supervisor went on to say that she would like to
get the Boards authorization to commit up to $2 , 000 as the Town ' s
share of doing this as she would hate to wait another month to
start proceeding with this . The City is going to start charging us
and she stated that she would like to know on what basis . She
stated that she could not blame them for deciding they are going to
start charging . She stated that she would rather be a partner to
the decision than just have it thrown upon us . Basically what we
are going to do is ask Stearns & Wheler to determine the length ,
size of sewers and number of pump stations need by the Town of
Ithaca as transmission lines as well as the total length and size
of sewers being maintained by the City . Determined from the
existing flow data , the Town of Ithaca ' s contribution at each entry
point into the collection system , estimate the percentage of flow
that comes from the Town of Ithaca and from existing data provided
by the City and the Town , determine or estimate the total cost
relating to the operation and maintenance of the City sewer
collection system and Stearns & Wheler would then prepare a letter
report summarizing the basis of the analysis and the findings of
the study and present those study findings to the City and Town of
Ithaca . At which point , she stated , she would bring this
information to the Board .
RESOLUTION N0 . 233
Motion by Supervisor Raffensperger , seconded by Councilman Niklas ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby
authorize the Supervisor to entering into an agreement with the
City of Ithaca at a cost not to exceed $2 , 000 for the firm of
Stearns & Wheler to make a study of the City of Ithaca ' s wastewater
collection by the Town of Ithaca for transmitting the Town ' s sewage
flow to the Ithaca Area Wastewater Treatment Plant .
(Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none) .
TOWN BOARD MINUTES
Town Board Minutes 26 September 10 , 1990
Councilwoman Leary noted that on page 17 of the August 13th minutes
under revisions to the Personnel Manual , she stated that she was
one of the seconders of that . On page 19 it says Councilwoman
Leary remarked that she wanted to be recorded as one of the
seconders on the new Hiring Policy Statement . She stated that she
was not recorded as one of the seconders . Councilman Niklas stated
that he would withdraw his second .
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked that that would solve the problem
and Councilwoman Leary will be recorded as the seconder for that
portion .
RESOLUTION N0 . 234
Motion by Councilman Niklas ; seconded by Councilman Liguori ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby approve
the August. 13 , 1990 Town Board minutes as corrected .
(Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
RESOLUTION N0 . 235
Motion by Councilman Liguori ; seconded by Supervisor Raffensperger ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby approve
the August: 28 , 1990 Town Board minutes as presented by the Town
Clerk .
( Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Liguori , Valentino and Niklas voting Aye .
Nays - none . Abstaining - Leary and Klein) .
SET DATE FOR PUBLIC HEARING TO REVISE LOCAL LAW # 21 1970 (ETHICS )
Councilwoman Valentino stated that the committee to revise the
Ethics Law was not ready to set the date for a public hearing .
Supervisor Raffensperger asked if the Board could expect some
material b=fore the next Board meeting?
Councilwoman Valentino replied , yes .
REPORT ON THE SOUTH HILL TRAIL LITIGATION
Town Attorney John Barney remarked , as you may recall the Town was
successful in the litigation , a petition was brought seeking a
permissive referendum on the decision to establish the South Hill
Trail . That decision was appealed , no action was taken on the
appeal itself for 90 days and that provoked us into making a motion
to have the appeal dismissed for a failure to perfect it . That
motion wa.s; conditionally granted , the conditions being that the
group that brought the petition . . . . . perfect our appeal within 30
days . . . . . he stated that he was advised that they have almost
perfected the appeal . They have submitted a record and a brief
which used. to be enough to perfect an appeal , however , we have
never received official notification from the Appellate Division
and that would suggest that they have not filed the $ 200 that is
supposed to go with it , we are guessing . The Appellate Division is
a little brit lenient on that , if they get their $ 200 within two or
three days they will accept the record and accept it as being
filed . If they don ' t get the $ 200 it will be dismissed . They may
have sent their $ 200 in , there may be some other reason we have not
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heard . Eut he felt , fortunately or unfortunately depending on the
view point , we have to treat the appeal as now having been
perfected . We are in the process of putting together very quickly
a responsive brief , Nelson Roth from our office is handling it . He
feels that items raised by the petitioners are not items that
should reverse what the court initially decided , but we have all
been around the block enough times to know that you cannot predict
100 % what a court is going to do . We expect to get our brief in as
fast as possible . We anticipate the matter will be orally argued
probably in November and the court usually takes 60 to 90 days to
render a decision . He stated that he did not expect a decision on
this , finally , until January .
Councilman Niklas asked , orally or verbally argued ?
Town Attorney Barney replied , we call it oral . We may consider not
arguing it: orally , it depends on what they ask .
Councilman Niklas remarked , but the argument is not written it ' s
presented orally?
Town Attorney Barney replied , it ' s both . You do a brief in an
argument and then you go up to Albany and you basically try and
highlight the most important things . Sometimes the case does not
merit the expense of the trip to Albany . You are basically taking
a day , you drive up , argue for 20 minutes and then get in the car
and drive home . He went on to say that they would take a look and
if their assessment was that they were reasonably ccnfortable the
way the brief came out and if neither side is going to appear then
we may not: make the effort . But at the mcgnent we are planning on
presenting the argument orally .
Councilman Niklas asked what was the basis for the courts accepting
the appeal. provision? He stated that he remembered the argument
which was that they did not file their request within the time line
and , therefore , what was the basis for the court allowing them to
be heard?
Town Attorney Barney replied that he was not sure he understood the
question but the argument on their side was that they should have
been able to extend the time , that the Town somehow or other did
not provide them with the information they needed on a timely basis
to prepare their application . Judge Rose , here locally , after a
relatively brief hearing ruled that the Town had done nothing
wrong , that they had basically just blown the 30 days . As a
result , the petition was thrown out . They have appealed Judge
Rose ' s decision claiming that they . . . . basically making the same
argument that they made that the Town did not give them the
appropriate provisions of the copies .
Councilman Niklas replied that he guessed his question was , why was
the appeal accepted?
Town Attorney Barney replied , it ' s an appeal of right . They have
the right to appeal . The next level is a discretionary appeal . If
you go to -the Court of Appeals there it is a determination whether
the court will hear it or not . He did not think , if they lose
here , that they will proceed to go any further . We could , the way
the law is written , we can appeal if it is reversed .
AUrHORI ZE 77HE COLLEC'T'ION OF TOWN TAXES IN INSTAT Mr7'S
Town Supervisor Raffensperger remarked that she thought the Town
Board was all aware that the County Board passed , in spite of our
fine resolution , passed their resolution authorizing the collection
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of taxes in installments . Now we have a choice , which is not much
of a choice , She noted that the Board had received a letter from
Kathy West which says that in the event the Town does not pass the
resolution the Town will be responsible for preparation ,
distribution and collection of Town taxes independent of the
County . Each Town would be responsible for generating their own
bill and collecting all of the taxes which include the full
enforcement of delinquent taxes . Supervisor Raffensperger noted
that the only thing worse than the installment taxes would be for
this to happen to us . She felt the Board did not have a choice .
She noted a sample resolution to be passed by October 1st .
Supervisor Raffensperger remarked that she considered making some
small ch&:iges to it where it says , " the Town Board of the Town of
Ithaca wishes to . . . . " but she had decided against it . She went on
to say that she was reluctantly going to move the resolution to
collect taxes in installments .
Councilman Whitcomb remarked that he found it rather extraordinary
that every Town Clerk in the County , every Town Board in the County
voted against this resolution and the County went ahead with it
anyway . In fact , his understanding was that there weren ' t that
many County legislators that were in favor of it . He asked the
Town Supervisor how it had passed .
Supervisor Raffensperger replied that she had asked the Town ' s
representatives that and actually what happened was that a large
number of people representative of a number of groups , Social
Services , Displaced Homemakers , a lot of groups came and made the
case to the County Board of Representatives that they wished to
have it passed . It was on that basis that our County Reps
proceeded to vote for it even though the Town Board had not
encouraged them to do that .
Councilman Niklas remarked , there is actually something sad about
that entire history because in the final analysis there is nothing
on the record that convinces him that this is going to benefit the
taxpayer in terms of how they can actually pay their taxes and
indirectly there is evidence that it will hurt the taxpayer because
of the cost of this collection system . He stated that he was just
kind of hoping that the Supervisor would remove from the resolution
the phraseology such as wishes desires and 11wantsil
.
Councilwoman Leary suggested that instead of saying "wishes " say
" the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby agrees to . . . . . " .
Town Attorney Barney remarked , how about "believes it is now
necessary " .
RESOLUTION No . 236
Motion by Supervisor Raffensperger ; seconded by Councilman Liguori ,
WHEREAS , the Tompkins County Board of Representatives on August 14 ,
1990 adopted Local Law # 8 which provides that the County of
Tompkins shall become the tax collection agency for the purpose of
collecting real property taxes and special assessments in
installments , and
WHEREAS , Tompkins County Board Resolution #315 directs payment to
the Town as compensation for costs associated with the
achninistrat.ion of the installment option in the amount of $ 1 . 00 per
installment: payer , and
Wes , the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca believes it is now
necessary to include payment of Town taxes subject to the
conditions and terms outlined pursuant to such local law ,
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NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of
Ithaca dces hereby adopt the installment option in accordance with
Tompkins County Local Law # 8 of 1990 , and
RESOLVED FURTHER , that the Town Clerk shall , upon receipt of the
Collector ' s Warrant , collect the first installment of such
installm at taxes , in addition to the normal collection of taxes as
directed :by the Warrant for those taxpayers who do not select the
installment option , and
RESOLVED FURTHER,, that the Town Clerk is directed to forward a
certified copy of this resolution to the Clerk of the Board of
Representatives as soon as reasonably possible .
(Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
TOWN OF IZ'HACA WARRANTS
RESOLUTION N0 . 237
Motion by Councilwoman Valentino ; seconded by Councilwoman Leary ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby approves
the Town of Ithaca Warrants dated September 10 , 1990 , in the
following amounts :
General Fund - Town Wide . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 48 , 805967
General Fund - Outside Village . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 36 , 420 . 57
Highway Fund . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 36 , 022 . 71
Water & Sewer Fund . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 167 , 067 . 39
Lighting District Fund . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 461 . 94
Capital Projects Fund . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . $ 41378 . 53
( Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
BOLTON PODgT WARRANTS
RESOLUTION NO . 238
Motion by Supervisor Raffensperger ; seconded by Councilman Niklas ,
RESOLVED , that the Bolton Point Warrants dated September 10 , 1990 ,
in the Operating Account are hereby approved in the amount of
$ 582 , 220 . 01. after review and upon the recommendation of the
Southern Cayuga Lake Intermunicipal Water Commission , they are in
order for payment .
( Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
EXECUTIVE SESSION
RESOLUTION N0 . 239
Motion by Supervisor Raffensperger ; seconded by Councilman Niklas ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby moves
into Executive Session to discuss Park Lane easement , Cayuga Cliffs
litigation matter , McDonald ' s litigation matter , possible
litigation of Sapsucker Woods , acquisition of easement and possible
eminent domain proceedings .
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Town Board Minutes 30 September 10 , 1990
(Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
OPEN SESSION
RESOLUTION NO . 240
Motion by Supervisor Raffensperger ; seconded by Councilman Niklas ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby moves
back into Open Session .
( Raffensperger , Whitcanb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none) .
RESOLUTIONI N0 . 241
Motion by Councilman Whitcanb ; seconded by Councilman Niklas ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby
authorize the Attorney ' s for the Town to defend the Town of Ithaca
in the McDonald ' s and Cayuga Cliffs litigation , and
FURn M BE IT RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca
hereby ratify the actions that have already been taken in the
Cayuga Cliffs litigation .
( Raffensperger , Whitcomb , Leary , Klein , Liguori , Valentino and
Niklas voting Aye . Nays - none ) .
ADJOURNMENT
The meeting was duly adjourned .
Town Clerk
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