HomeMy WebLinkAboutTB Minutes 1985-04-22 TOWN OF ITHACA
ADJOURNED BOARD MEETING
April 22 , 1985
At an Adjourned Meeting of the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca ,
Tompkins County , New York , held at the Town Offices at 126 East
Seneca Street , Ithaca , New York , at 12 : 00 noon , on the 22nd day of
April , 1985 , there were :
® PRESENT : Noel Desch , Supervisor
George Kugler , Councilman
Shirley Raffensperger , Councilwoman
Marc Cramer , Councilman
Gloria Howell , Councilwoman
Robert Bartholf , Councilman
ABSENT : Henry McPeak , Councilman
ALSO PRESENT . John Barney , Town Attorney
Lawrence Fabbroni , Town Engineer
Peter Lovi , Town Planner
J . Eric Rounds , 817 North Aurora Street
Edward A . Mazza , 134 Burleigh Drive
ADJOURNED PUBLIC HEARING TO CONSIDER THE COVENANTS AND HDbE OWNER ' S
AGREEMENT FOR A CLUSTER SUBDIVISION AT 1018 -1020 DANBY ROAD , TAX
PARCEL N0 , 6 -39-1 -5 AND A PORTION OF 6 -39 -1 -6 , OWNER/DEVELOPER DELL
GROVER, ET AL .
Supervisor Desch informed the Board that the purpose of the
adjourned meeting was to continue discussion of the Covenants and
Home Owner ' s Agreement for Cayuga Vista . He then asked the Board
if they had any questions on how rentals should be restricted . He
noted that any questions on the Environmental Assessment Form or
the Subdivision were dealt with by the Planning Board ,
Supervisor Desch asked Town Engineer Larry Fabbroni if the present
road , in the subdivision , would become a Town road .
Town Engineer Fabbroni responded yes , the road would become a
cul-de-sac , the proposed new road would become a Town road also .
Town Planner Peter Lovi reviewed the developers plans for the
Board , including one showing the planting plan and the other the
site plan . He noted that the developers are proposing to build 8
units , two 4 unit clusters . Unit 1 , A through D and Unit 2 , A
through D . He went on to report that the Planning Board had given
site plan approval , subject to Town Board approval of the
Covenants .
® Edward Mazza added that under the R-9 District , 40 units could be
built , however , they proposed to build only 32 units .
Councilwcman Raffensperger questioned the distance between the two
driveways .
Mr . Mazza responded that he did not know the distance , however ,
NYSDOT has given their approval .
Town Planner Lovi stated that the driveways were about 450 ' apart .
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Councilwoman Raffensperger remarked that she assumed the Planning
Board had already looked at the distance to make sure that it was
within the alloted distance of allowable feet apart .
Supervisor Desch responded that he thought Councilwoman
Raffensperger would find that distance pertained to public roads
and not driveways .
Town Engineer Fabbroni added that he though Councilwoman
Raffensperger was thinking about highway intersections .
Councilwoman Raffensperger remarked , then this is a driveway not a
road .
® Councilwoman Howell requested clarification that we are looking at
a 32 unit cluster subdivision .
Town Planner Lovi responded that the Board was looking at the
Covenants and Home Owner ' s Agreement on the questions of rentals ,
today .
Councilman Cramer stated that he felt the engineer of record and
the architect of record for the project should be noted for the
record . Also , who the "et al " involved in the project were .
Mr . Mazza responded that the names had been disclosed at a Planning
Board meeting , however , he did not think they had been included in
the minutes . He went on to say that Dell Grover , William Grover ,
William Reed , Robert Reed and himself were the partners in the
proposed development . He noted that Robert Flumerfelt was the
engineer of record and Susan Beeners of Landscape Design
Consultants was the Landscape Architect of record .
Councilman Cramer asked , is there was no architect ?
Mr . Mazza responded Resource Engineers , they are out of Cortland .
Town Attorney John Barney stated that he was concerned because the
Covenants did not require Town Board approval of amendments and
because they did not include the Town of Ithaca as a party that
could enforce the Covenants .
Mr . Mazza remarked that he would like to have the Town of Ithaca
help out in the enforcement . He went on to say that he could
forsee no problems with the Town of Ithaca being involved in future
amendments .
Supervisor Desch remarked that he thought that Town of Ithaca
approval of amendments was included in the final Commonland
proposal .
Town Attorney Barney remarked that it was future amendments that he
was concerned with ,
Councilman Cramer noted that the review of the covenants and
by-laws for the Cayuga Vista had been compared with the covenants
® and by-laws for the Commonlands . He went on to say that it causes
problems for the Board members when they are asked to review a
document compared with the provisions of another document . He
asked for a Board policy that would direct the staff , in the
future , to prepared a complete document .
Town Planner Lovi stated that he would prefer that the developer be
required to complete the necessary documentation , as it is
complicated , requires a lot of time , and is ultimately the
developer ' s responsibility .
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Supervisor Desch remarked that if all thirty-two units were rented
to three unrelated persons per unit (no families ) there would be a
total of 96 persons . How one might perceive this he doesn ' t know.
Town Planner Lovi responded that the issue of rentals are distinct
and different from the issue of owner occupancy .
Supervisor Desch noted that " Point A" of the Cotmonland Covenants
requires owner residency at Conmonlands , presumably we would want
the same requirement for Cayuga Vista .
Councilwoman Raffensperger referring to the Planning Board Minutes
of February 19 , 1985 noted that Mr . Mazza , in answer to Mr .
Sanders , stated that these units were for private sale as
individual units and would not be rental apartments .
Mr . Mazza responded that he did not agree that this was what he had
said . A clarification of what he said was made at the following
Board meeting and was included in the Planning Board minutes .
Town Attorney Barney stated that the Board has the power to reduce
the number of unrelated persons allowed . The Board might want to
consider not putting restrictions on renting but reduce the number
of unrelated persons that could occupy any unit to less than three .
Councilman Cramer questioned the possibility of every unit being
occupied by unrelated persons . He asked if under these
circumstances there would be sufficient parking .
Town Planner Lovi responded no , there would not be sufficient ,
permanent parking spaces for 96 cars . He went on to say that given
the worst possible circumstances , he oould not forsee anything this
drastic . He believes the developers when they say that with the
pricing of the units it is not their intention to build anything
that would be rental property on a sustained basis .
Councilwoman Raffensperger stated that if the units were sold , and
the Town does nothing now, it will have no control over rentals in
the subdivision . She stated that she felt it was unreasonable to
say no unrelated persons could occupy the dwellings . A limit of
twelve months sub-rental , as was allowed in Ccn=nlands , seems the
reasonable approach .
Supervisor Desch stated that he was having trouble with the thought
of reducing the number of unrelated persons permitted . On the
other hand , the proximity to Ithaca College suggests that this kind
of housing in the Town needs sane kind of restrictions like
Commonlands .
Councilman Cramer remarked that if the Board restricts occupancy to
no more than two unrelated persons , it will reduce the density so
we don ' t end up with parking on the grass . He went on to say that
once Cayuga Vista was sold the only restrictions would be those
presently placed on the property .
® Town Planner Lovi noted that there was a difference in the two
projects regarding parking . With Commonlands parking is at a
minimum . Each unit in Cayuga Vista will have an attached and
enclosed garage along with a driveway to the garage plus a driveway
behind each building . You could have three cars parking before it
becomes necessary to park on the road or grass .
Attorney Barney asked if you had a blood related family would you
still permit two unrelated persons to occupy the unit .
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Town Planner Lovi responded yes but with only one kitchen and one
and one-half baths , he didn ' t think it would happen very often .
However , there is always the possibility of a house being purchased
by the father of a college student for use while the student is
attending college and someone else living there with the student .
Supervisor Desch noted that you could end up with a couple with a
baby renting to an unrelated person .
Edward Mazza questioned the fact that the Zoning Ordinance allows
up to 120 unrelated persons with out special approval .
Town Attorney Barney asked Mr . Mazza why he was concerned with
® twelve months rental restrictions .
Mr . Mazza responded , because the Town was restricting the
developers to less than is allowed in the Zoning Ordinance . They
don ' t want to restrict the market and the Bank doesn ' t want them to
be restricted . He noted that the Planning Board likes cluster
housing because of the open land .
Town Attorney Barney remarked that cluster could mean more renting .
Town Planner Lovi remarked that clustering allows smaller lots for
dwelling units with the remaining land dedicated as open space .
The Planning Board has the ability to restrict and regulate the
preservation of this open space . He went on to say that it was his
opinion that bona fide homeowners in the Hone Owner ' s Association
would be in the Town ' s best interest as opposed to persons such as
renters or absentee landlords who do not have a financial interest .
He went on to note that for instance , the Hare Owner ' s Association
was in charge of setting maintenance fees . The issue of the
Homeowners Association is not only for Town protection but for
other owners .
RESOLUTION NO , 64
Motion by Supervisor Desch ; seconded by Councilman Bartholf ,
RESOLVED , that the Town Board of the Town of Ithaca hereby approves
the usage of a Restrictive Covenants , similar to those used for the
Commonlands Development , for a cluster subdivision at 1018 -1020
Danby Road , Tax Parcel No . 6 -39 -2-5 and a portion of 6-39 -1 -6 owned
by Dell Grover , William Grover , Edward Mazza , William Reed and
Robert Reed , and
FURTHER BE IT RESOLVED , that the following text is intended to be
an integral part of the Covenants : " that it is the acknowledged
sense of the members of the Association that they have joined in an
effort to create and sustain a participatory community of
neighbors . To further this goal , it is understood that long-term
renting and subletting are to be discouraged , and the following
provisions are meant to enforce that understanding :
® ( a) All owners of units , with the exception of the Declarant ,
must have their primary residence at Cayuga Vista .
(b ) Renting and/or subletting is restricted to a cvlmulative
period of twelve ( 12 ) months within any continuous
thirty-six ( 36 ) month period . Permission to rent and/or
sublet for a longer period of time must be obtained in
writing from the Board of Directors , and must specify the
specific time period for which an extension is being
granted . In no case may an owner rent and/ or sublet a
unit for more than twenty-four ( 24 ) nonths cumulatively
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in any five ( 5 ) year period .
Leases between owners and tenants must be written and signed , and
must state that
(a) Any failure on the part of the lessor to fully comply
with the obligations set forth in this Declaration of
Covenants and Restrictions and the By-Laws of the
Association constitutes a default on the lease ; and
(b) All financial obligations to the Association remain the
sole responsibility of the Owner .
® and ,
Rental and Occupancy
Section 1 . Rentals (Same as above)
Section 2 . Occupancy by Unrelated Persons
No owner shall permit more than the following
numbers of unrelated persons to reside in his or her
unit :
(a) In one-bedroom units , two unrelated persons
( No arse-bedroom units to be constructed in
Cayuga Vista ) ;
(b) In two-bedroom units , three unrelated persons ;
( c) In three-bedroan units , three unrelated
persons .
For purposes of the above limitation a family or
housekeeping unit , as such is or may be defined by
the Ithaca Town Zoning Ordinance , shall count as one
person .
AND FURTHER BE IT RESOLVED , that the Restrictive Covenants in final
form be subject to the approval of the Town Attorney and the Town
Supervisor and that such Covenants shall not be approved unless
they contain provisions requiring that the Town Board of the Town
of Ithaca shall be named as a party to the approval requirements
for amendments and a party authorized to enforce amendments .
(Desch , Kugler , Raffensperger , Cramer , Howell and Bartholf voting
Aye . Nays - none) .
MAY 13 'TOWN BOARD MEETING
Supervisor Desch reminded the Town Board of the previous decision
to tour the new Wastewater Treatment Facility on May 13 . The Board
meeting will commence at 5 : 30 P .M. , at the Wastewater Treatment
® Plant after which the Board will begin the regularly scheduled Town
Board meeting at 6 : 30 P . M. , at Town Hall ,
BURNS ROAD
Town Engineer Larry Fabbroni informed the Board that things were
happening daily on the Burns Road project and that it might be
necessary for him to call the Board members to receive their
approval of some of the immediate decisions that cannot wait for
the May Town Board meeting . He went on to say that he expected to
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hear in a day or two about the Safer-Off funds . If the funds come
through , it will be necessary for the Board to approve a resolution
accepting the funds and approval to use them before October 1 ,
1985 . Also , authorization for the staff to rent heavy equipment so
that the deadline can be met . The Pine Tree Raid material could be
critical to the Burns Road project . Another example is the need
for a Letter of Understanding will be needed if easements , etc .
cannot be completed in time .
The Town Engineer asked if he needed an official resolution to
close Burns Road? He went on to say that he proposed closing the
road as soon as the signs arrive limiting traffic to only local
traffic .
® Supervisor Desch asked how long Burns Road would be closed ?
The Town Engineer responded until the bridge cork is completed and
surface treatment done . If Phase II is included it will be
November . He noted that the daily traffic count is under 1 , 000
vehicles . German Cross Road and Giles Street are available as
alternate routes .
Town Attorney Barney suggested that he and the Town Engineer meet
before the May meeting to decide what must be legally done to close
the road .
Supervisor Desch remarked that if it were necessary , the Board
could hold another meeting prior to the regular May meeting .
ADJOUWIEEN'.P
The meeting was duly adjourned .
Town clerk
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