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Town of Lansing
Monday, June 09, 2014 6:30 PM JT/ PLANNING BOARD-TOWN BOARD
PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS
(*Denotes present)
* Tom Ellis, Chairman
* Lin Davidson, Vice-Chairman
* Larry Sharpsteen
* Richard Prybyl
* Al Fiorille
* Gerald Caward
* Ray Farkas
* Deborah Trumbull (Alternate)
* Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt, Esq.
Other Staff
Lynn Day, Zoning, Code, Fire Enforcement Officer
Charlie Purcell, Deputy Highway Superintendent
Ruth Hopkins, Town Board Member
Ed LaVigne, Town Board Member
Robert Cree, Town Board Member
David Herrick, P.E. Town Engineer
Public Present
Connie Wilcox Jeff Goodmark
Maureen Cowen Bill Charsson, Lansing Ledger
Dan Veaner, Lansing Star Editor
R & D Loring
John Young
Other Business
Tom Ellis, Chairperson called the Planning Board Meeting to order at 6:32 PM.
Public Comments/Concerns other than Agenda Items
There were none.
Planning Board Member Concerns/Comments
Lin Davidson questioned if there is a new Ag. Data Statement Form that list the
property owners receiving the Ag. Exempt. Ms. Moynihan Schmitt will look into this.
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Sketch Plan Review and Classification of Six (6) Lot Subdivision, Stormy
View Drive, Applicant: John & Heather Stevens, Tax Parcel(s) 41.-1-
15.49, 41.-1-29.1, 41.-1-29.3, 41.-1-29.4
Mr. James Stephenson, Agent for the Steven’s Subdivision appeared before the Board
for a Sketch Plan Review. The following was presented to the Board;
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Further explanation
Mr. Stephenson states he received notifiation today from Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt
that he can not use Triphammer Road as frontage for one of the lots. Mr. Stephenson
requested further explanation as this will change his Subdivision.
Thomas Ellis states the Land Use Ordinance definitions will not permit use of
Triphammer Road to calculate the road frontage on Lot 3 because the house fronts on
the new road.
Mr. Stephenson states his proposal shows the intent, but does not necessarilyplace the
homes in stone. If he turns the structures 45 degrees, they will then face Triphammer
Road with access off of the proposed new road, and that will still comply with the Land
Use Ordinance. Mr. Stephenson requested to know if he showed adifferent orientation
of the house, will that satisfy the requirement?
Larry Sharpsteen states the requirement for Flag Lot frontage being 30’ and this one
being 60’, he feels this is verbal gymnastists. Larry does not feel this is a ZBA issue.
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Ms. Moynihan Schmitt states there is a grey area, and it is totally up to the Planning
Board. However, if would be Counsel’s recommendation to apply for a Variance.
Lynn Day, Zoning Officer states Triphammer Road is the rear of the property.
Al Fiorille inquired if the Town HighwayDepartment had any problem with the layout
of the driveways with respect to snowplowing.
Charlie Purcell indicated no, it is very similar to another development in the area.
Planning Board Members felt that it would be unusual for the Zoning Board to deny
such a request regarding the frontage.
Lynn Day, Zoning Officer states the lot in question has 60’ of road frontage and the
drive is under 500’ therefore, he feels it that should be a Flag Lot which would not
require a ZBA action.
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to classify this as Major Subdivision consisting of 6
Lots, 5 being conventional and 1 Flag Lot. Lin Davidson seconded the motion and it
was carried by the following roll call vote:
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Lin Davidson, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Gerald Caward, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Ray Farkas, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Al Fiorille, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Richard Prybyl, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Larry Sharpsteen, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Thomas Ellis, Member
The Board reviewed the Town Engineer’s comments as follows (in red) and advised Mr.
Stephenson that they must be addressed prior to his final Preliminary Plat for the next
step in the process.
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After reviewing the above, the following issues need to be addressed
Mr. Stephenson contact NYSEG regarding their easement
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More research/clarify should be done on the water issue with regards to sizing and
connection.
Pipe used for Culverts should be HDPE
The SWPPP must be submitted to the Town of Lansing Stormwater Management
Officer
The Stormwater Pond must have an easement delineated on the Map. Also, Applicant
may be required to apply for a Culvert Permit from the Tompkins County Highway
Department.
The SWPPP must be accepted by the Town Stormwater Management Officer and David
Herrick, P.E. for the Town
Set Meeting up with Maureen Cowen, Chairperson for The Lansing Trails Committee
regarding the Lansing Trails. The Trail will not be on the proposed Subdivision
however, it will come off the Young property.
David Herrick stated this proposed Subdivision should be dedicated to a Drainage
District.
Larry Sharpsteen made a motion to classify this project under SEQR as an Unlisted
Action. Richard Prybyl seconded the motion and it was carried by the following roll
call vote:
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Lin Davidson, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Gerald Caward, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Ray Farkas, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Al Fiorille, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye Richard Prybyl, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Larry Sharpsteen, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Thomas Ellis, Member
Review /Approve : Proposed Subdivision & Site Plan Development
Application forms
Members reviewed proposed changes requested by Jonathan Kanter, Lynn Day,
Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt, David Herrick as well as Member themselves.
Subdivision Application And Check List:
Change submission time frame from 15 days (top) of page one- checklist) to 21 days.
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Change submission time from 14 days to 21 days on application form (bottom of pg 1) .
Subdivision Application Procedure Checklist changes:
Letter “e.” Add “and proposed” after “Existing”
Letter “f.” Change “flood plain” to “floodplain, NYSDEC mapped state wetlands
and/or federal mapped wetlands.”
Letter “g.” After “Unique Natural Areas” add: “In addition, provide location of any
CEAs and New York State Historic Preservation Office (SHPO ) mapped
historic archeological, and cultural resources located at or near the site.
Letter “h.” delete “when this is a consideration.”
Letter “i” Replace with “Proposed storm water drainage from the site. Applicant
shall delineate the area of proposed soil disturbance, including
landscaping and proposed lawn. A stormwater management plan,
consistent with the Town's local stormwater and erosion control local law
and NYSDEC SPEDES permit requisites is required. A full SWPPP is
currently required for a 2 acre or more soil disturbance pursuant to the
Town’s Local Stormwater and Erosion Control Local Law number 6 of
2009. Soil disturbance includes landscaping and lawn placement.”
“j.” Delete entirely (it is now included in revised “i”)
Re-letter remaining checklist accordingly
Old “k” (now “j”) Add “system” as late word.
Last letter new- “n.” should read: “Provide materials for County Department of
Health DOH and/or County 239 Review.”
Approval/Denial of May 12, 2014 Minutes
Lin Davidson, pg. 1 not in attendance
Thomas Ellis, pg. 7 4th paragraph: hand to handle
Lin Davidson, pg 15 slack to flack
Thomas Ellis made a motion to approve as amended. Lin Davidson seconded the
motion and it was carried by the following roll call vote:
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Lin Davidson, Member
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Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Gerald Caward, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Ray Farkas, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Al Fiorille, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Richard Prybyl, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Larry Sharpsteen, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Thomas Ellis, Member
Proposed Zoning Maps Changes
Lynn Day, Zoning Officer states he would like to have a decision from the Planning
Board Members as to what Map they would recommend to the Town Board.
Additionally, Mr. Day intends to have the County Planning Office place all the Town’s
Planned Development Areas on the Official Map as required by Law. Mr. Day again
refreshed the Board with the proposed changes. After reviewing the Maps presented,
Members felt that Map 2 would make the most sense.
Discussion-Traffic Study
Larry Sharpsteen began the discussion by inquiring from the Town’s Engineer, David
Herrick as to how long the Traffic Studies are valid for. Mr. Herrick replied five (5)
years. Mr. Herrick discussed the estimate of the proposed Traffic Study on Route 34
from Asbury Road to the Novalane project. Some Members felt there should be a
study that involved other projects within the Town that are currently on the planning
radar.
Ruth Hopkins states the County did a study approximately three years ago and most
towns use that data to have an access impact analysis done. Ms. Hopkins further stated
there are grants available for these studies.
It was David Herrick’s opinion that if the Board is concerned about intersection use,
volume, turning paths, etc. then a full study should be completed.
Charlie Purcell inquired if the Village of Lansing would be considered a paying party as
well as the Developer’s involved in this study. Mr. Purcell states a Developer on Sun
Path Road has two properties that are located in the Village jurisdiction and the
remaining proposed lots are in the Town.
Ed LaVigne states he has a copy of a DOT report completed in 2011. Mr. LaVigne
inquired if that one was not sufficient.
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Larry Sharpsteen advised Mr. LaVigne the report does not address the items that are
going to change such as the build out of Sun Path, the connection to Smuggler’s Path
and a partial build out of Novalane.
John Young again read a particular part of the Town’s Comprehensive Plan that relates
to the Neighborhoods near the proposed Novalane Project and inquired from the Board
as to why the current Town’s Comprehensive Plan is not valid. Mr. Young feels his
plan will solve many of the traffic & safety concerns the residents have.
Larry Sharpsteen agreed with Mr. Young, however, Mr. Sharpsteen stated the Planning
Board is receiving resistance from the residents in those neighborhoods. Mr.
Sharpsteen further stated what the Planning Board is trying to do is doing some good
for the Town as a whole with respect to the Traffic Study.
Lorraine Moynihan Schmitt states the Planning Board is charged with looking at traffic
and safety issues within their Subdivision approval process.
Al Fiorille thought the Traffic Study needs to go further to involve other neighborhoods
in the north and south.
Richard Prybyl stated the Planning Board is charged to do Planning. If the tools are not
given to do Planning, then don’t expect quality output.
John Young states nothing that he does in the Novalane project will make a difference
with regards to the intersection of the state road, other than a small amount of traffic.
Larry Sharpsteen again reiterated it was always the Planning Boards intention to have a
connector road between the developments down near Eastlake.
It was the Planning Board consensus that they move forward with the full study and
recoup a portion of the monies from future Developers. The developments to be
included in sharing the expense would be; Sun Path, Novalane and WB Property-
Triphammer Road. It was clearly stated the Traffic Study would not hold up the
development of the proposed road through the Novalane project and beyond north and
south.
For the record, Novalane Developer John Young agreed to share in the cost of the
Traffic Study to the amount of $1,500.00.
Planner Position
Thomas Ellis inquired from Ed LaVigne as to how the Town Board is coming with
filling the Planner position. Ed LaVigne states hopefully the position will be posted this
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week. When the proper candidate arrives, Mr. LaVigne has invited Thomas Ellis to be
involved in that conversation.
Robert Cree indicated they have talked to 3-4 people on a part time basis and there is
considerable interest.
The Planning Board Members stated they would like to see someone dedicated as
oppose to someone filling in 20 hours on a calendar.
Upcoming Item
Lynn Day, Zoning Officer states Whispering Pines VI will be returning for a possible
revision of the proposed Plat.
Lin Davidson made a motion to adjourn the Meeting at 8:30 PM. Raymond Farkas
seconded the motion and it was carried by the following roll call vote:
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Lin Davidson, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Gerald Caward, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Ray Farkas, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Al Fiorille, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Richard Prybyl, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Larry Sharpsteen, Member
Vote of Planning Board . . . (Aye) Thomas Ellis, Member